AR Battle zero deep dive- suppressed vs unsuppressed

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Does adding a suppressor change how your battle zero performs out to distance? In this video we'll take a look at how my 11.5" Griffin Mk2 556 rifle performs with a 50/200 yd zero suppressed and unsuppressed on cardboard out to 200 yds. At the end of the video we'll have real world results to compare so that we can get an idea of what to expect out of your rifle with and without a suppressor.
Instagram: mountainsmulletsmerica
Rifle/ Optic details:
- Griffin armament Mk2 11.5" 5.56 factory SBR
- Griffin armament dual lok 7 suppressor
- Riton 1-10 LPVO
- Zero gravity 1.93" 30mm single piece mount
00:00 Intro
01:12 Battle zero theory
03:08 Testing procedure overview
04:21 Suppressed live fire
05:40 re zeroing process
07:35 Unsuppressed live fire
08:55 Results overview
11:34 Closing comments

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  • @johnnyshilohshepherds4127
    @johnnyshilohshepherds41276 ай бұрын

    Most practical videos on KZread along with Hop

  • @HendoSam

    @HendoSam

    6 ай бұрын

    The only downside to hop in my opinion is that he makes everything sound like he’s whining. Not all the time but a fair majority of his videos just feel whiny.

  • @willo7734

    @willo7734

    6 ай бұрын

    Yeah I love Hop but he has an air of witty sarcasm on most of his videos. I think Hop is funny as hell most of the time but I like MMM slightly better because he is has a cheerful delivery. Plus he is all about the information and sharing knowledge on long range shooting.

  • @johnnyshilohshepherds4127

    @johnnyshilohshepherds4127

    6 ай бұрын

    @@willo7734 agreed, MMM's cheerful delivery makes him so watchable. Hop's wit makes him watchable for me too

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    @hansblitz7770

    6 ай бұрын

    Hop is an elitist nerd who has a very smug attitude. I met him at shot, the perpetual negativity in his videos is not an act, that's really how he is. After 5 minutes, it's like, okay, I'm done listening to this dude talk down on everything.

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    @rileyfrench3837

    6 ай бұрын

    Please don’t compare a fine KZread channel such as this to Hop. That’s insulting

  • @bghiggy
    @bghiggy6 ай бұрын

    If you have a notable amount of poi shift you can always set your unsuppressed zero as your zero stop and have the actual zero (where the turret actually says zero) as your suppressed zero. That way if you want to go back and forth you either just turn to your zero stop or you turn it to 0.

  • @travisbond635
    @travisbond6356 ай бұрын

    I dont understand how your channel is not #1 with the 2A community if not KZread. So much info that we can ALL use to improve our shooting. You're doing a great job. Keep up the good work. May God bless you and yours and God bless America 🇺🇸.

  • @tenormdness

    @tenormdness

    4 ай бұрын

    I was just ranting about that in my first comment. This dude is a hidden gem on YT.

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    @patrickkearney8774

    4 ай бұрын

    The algorithm with bless him eventually

  • @baconandeggs9141
    @baconandeggs91416 ай бұрын

    I really enjoy, that you don’t just produce content for the sake of content, but actually have a topic and script to go with it. No bla bla to fill the video. No drama👍🏻

  • @milo555100
    @milo5551006 ай бұрын

    You have a gift of reading my mind and covering the questions I have while driving to work. All of these things matter. I wonder how many AR owners know where they impact? Your work has convinced me to zero all “battle” rifles the same. Appreciate you Sir!

  • @charlesmckinley29
    @charlesmckinley296 ай бұрын

    Unsuppressed the impact went from left at 50 to the right at 200 and it appeared to be a slightly larger group. Thank you for being so thorough and showing what you do. 👍🏻

  • @blee4806
    @blee48065 ай бұрын

    This series is much appreciated. I’ve done multiple calculations on a ballistic calculator, but that’s all theory. You have saved me the work of confirming the academics. Some of us also barely have access to a 200 yard range, let alone a 300.

  • @muhammad_wada
    @muhammad_wada6 ай бұрын

    Would you say that the slight elevation drop when shooting unsuppressed was due to a slight reduction in muzzle velocity (assuming that the suppressor gives the round a bit more powder burn to increase MV)? It would be great to chrono your shots while zeroing suppressed vs unsuppressed to see if there is any noticeable MV change. Thanks again for the great content!

  • @BuckF0eJiden

    @BuckF0eJiden

    6 ай бұрын

    You run into a few different variables when shooting suppressed, especially if you're going off of an unsuppressed zero. First, and probably least noticeable inside of 300 is barrel harmonics. Second, and this is also fairly negligible inside of 300, especially with smaller cans, is the added weight at the muzzle pulling downward on the barrel. You probably won't even notice this effect until you get beyond 300. Possibly further. Unless you're running a heavier auto rated can made out of steel, you may not notice an effect from this at all. Finally, you do get some added muzzle velocity by virtue of having more time for powder burn, but its also facing less air resistance through the can after the first shot burns up the air in the can. Harmonics are actually the bulk of your POI shift. Some older cans, and mostly heavier cans, are horrible for this. Taper mount cans will give you the best results, though.

  • @21psd
    @21psd6 ай бұрын

    You just keep cranking out this great and very relatable content. Looking forward to the rest of this series. Thanks!

  • @Ferrari_M5
    @Ferrari_M56 ай бұрын

    I was thinking this would be a comparison of the impact of shooting with and without a suppressor on the zero without re-zeroing in between. Maybe you’ve already done that? I think that would be interesting to see, even though we could draw some conclusions from what you did here. Great content. Please keep it up!

  • @bradley6609

    @bradley6609

    6 ай бұрын

    If he had done that the 200 yard unsuppressed group would have been off the paper some rifle bullet suppressor combinations will let you do that but Zac knew this one would not work for that level of accuracy

  • @danchandler5720
    @danchandler57204 ай бұрын

    Very informative video, this is Wade’s dad, we shoot everything suppressed. Really enjoyed presentation and down to earth approach. I will be checking out more videos. I enjoyed your podcast with Wade also,,, thank you

  • @j.anthonyk1730
    @j.anthonyk17306 ай бұрын

    I'm a new subscriber and found your channel the other day. I'm from NE PA. I love the attention to detail and appreciate the work you put into the videos. I'm actually looking into putting together a general purpose rifle to compliment my 13.7 Foxtrot Mike I have now. Your info has been extremely helpful. I love the scenery around those wheat fields too. Keep up the great work.

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    @timoanez46686 ай бұрын

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    @opencontainer13816 ай бұрын

    Just honest talk without all the smartass bs. Well done as always. You are gonna go far.

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    @samuel1234786 ай бұрын

    I hope this guy wins the lottery so he can just do this for a full time living. Thanks for the info man

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    @getsome20386 ай бұрын

    Only second video I’ve seen so far but I’m loving your style. Good quality and informative without faking excitement or flexing. I’ll definitely be going through the older videos.

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    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    6 ай бұрын

    Really awesome to hear you’re enjoying the content. Just a regular guy out here trying to make entertaining content with some kind of value for the viewer. Hope you’ll stick around to check out the new stuff I’ve got in the works!

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    @user-bt1kc8ls9w6 ай бұрын

    Clear, concise and detailed video. You get down to where the goats graze without making the material boring.

  • @DB-xi5hc
    @DB-xi5hc6 ай бұрын

    You produce exceptionally informative videos. I appreciate that your data is based on real-world conditions and not just theory. I have been zeroing my rifles based on your data and observations. Please keep the videos coming!

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    @ajinvista6 ай бұрын

    Keep up the great work! You have my vote for next year's Gundys!

  • @Snoddude
    @Snoddude6 ай бұрын

    Great video, as usual. I love your content, easily the best on KZread. I like that you showed the re-zeroing once you removed the suppressor. I know this wasn't a long range shooting video, but I am just getting into long range and I watch and re-watch your videos, for info, often. Thank you for the content.

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    @jefflemaster28506 ай бұрын

    Another great video. Thanks for your work!

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    Been looking forward to this!

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    Really the most practical channel. The stuff we all want to see

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    @BulletsNBand-Aids6 ай бұрын

    Boom. Great content, thanks for all your efforts

  • @vincentdelaossa9740
    @vincentdelaossa97406 ай бұрын

    Thanks again for walking people through the process. Good review for some and good training for first-time shooters.

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    @GrayMindset6 ай бұрын

    Keep these videos coming and I will keep watching 👍

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    @ke35526 ай бұрын

    Nice work, thanks.

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    @tenormdness4 ай бұрын

    You should have way more subscribers based on how good you are and the info you pass along. Hidden gem. Great stuff, hopefully KZread can come through and get you paid, if that’s one of your goals. If not, keep cranking out great stuff that really helps people.

  • @MountainsMulletsMerica

    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    4 ай бұрын

    Man my channel is growing like crazy right now and I’m really thankful for that! Really enjoy creating valuable content that folks like to watch…. I plan to keep cranking out content to keep the momentum going so hope you’ll stay tuned and don’t forget to share with your buddies! I’m confident my channel will be well known shooting channel in no time!

  • @johncrosser8783
    @johncrosser87836 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

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    @whiskeyonetwoactual11166 ай бұрын

    You do so much for the 2A community - thx to you!

  • @GriffinArmamentOfficial
    @GriffinArmamentOfficial6 ай бұрын

    Great video! Tons of good info in this, thanks for sharing!

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    @reedmccleve216 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the great content!

  • @rocco9216
    @rocco92166 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this

  • @planetmoney24
    @planetmoney246 ай бұрын

    Good video mountain mullet!

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    @JohnBerry-kb3fo6 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the great content.

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    @davephilpott45436 ай бұрын

    You have helped me so much!

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    @leevaello4385 ай бұрын

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    @saboteur4079Ай бұрын

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    @TechMike106 ай бұрын

    Love your videos man!

  • @MountainsMulletsMerica

    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Really appreciate the support!

  • @txpredatorhunting
    @txpredatorhunting6 ай бұрын

    Great vid as always.

  • @MountainsMulletsMerica

    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Appreciate the continued support!

  • @bootlegengineer2367
    @bootlegengineer23675 ай бұрын

    Good info. Thanks bud

  • @jacobperez2546
    @jacobperez25466 ай бұрын

    Great info

  • @WoodyXRay
    @WoodyXRay6 ай бұрын

    Interesting demo

  • @C_oprator89
    @C_oprator896 ай бұрын

    My 16 with an rc2 is exactly the same with being high left unsuppresed. .5 mils down .6mil right. Sick content and yea I need to stop commenting on videos you already made weeks ago! I’m the dummy who said optic height next

  • @travisc8159
    @travisc81595 ай бұрын

    Great video

  • @sodajones2576
    @sodajones25766 ай бұрын

    Great stuff. I’ll have to try this when my can gets out of jail.

  • @BrennanHammons
    @BrennanHammons3 ай бұрын

    Awesome vid

  • @_Delta_P_
    @_Delta_P_6 ай бұрын

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  • @JB-uk7mn
    @JB-uk7mn6 ай бұрын

    Hell yeah, brother

  • @OnMyGrizzle
    @OnMyGrizzle6 ай бұрын

    Thx for the vid, comment for the algorithm

  • @southtexasprepper6605
    @southtexasprepper66056 ай бұрын

    It would have been good to see how your suppressed zero would have worked without the suppressor. Great analysis as always!

  • @ianbantjes3785
    @ianbantjes37856 ай бұрын

    It might be that you got some velocity boost with the suppressor attached. Just my 2 cents. Keep on doing the good work. I really enjoy your channel.

  • @rustytaylor7708
    @rustytaylor77086 ай бұрын

    Good video.

  • @KindlyThankyou
    @KindlyThankyou6 ай бұрын

    Give this man a chronograph! I wonder if your bullet velocities are actually higher while using a suppressor 🤔

  • @MountainsMulletsMerica

    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    6 ай бұрын

    I actually have a couple chronographs but decided not to use one in this video as that’s not a tool most recreational shooters are going to have. If you’re curious though I’ve tested velocity changes suppressed/ unsuppressed In this video. Let me know if this data matches what you’re expecting for velocity change! Precision rifle FAQ.... Does adding a suppressor change performance? kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZOb29hrdZWbeZM.html

  • @teampyle9835
    @teampyle98356 ай бұрын

    I'd like to see a comparison of twist rates with various ammo in ARs

  • @aaronr.5491
    @aaronr.54916 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this video! 😊😊. It shows the impact does change when you add or remove a suppressor. It should all be accounted for in my opinion when zeroing your rifle. You need to know where it moves to if your suppressor gets shot or broken somehow during a fight.

  • @DoWork316
    @DoWork3166 ай бұрын

    Great vid. I think showing the re-zero after removing the can was critical because some may not know you have to do that. To that point, showing impacts if you don’t re-zero might also be interesting. I have heard new shooters say, its only a little shift, so I don’t re-zero.

  • @MrJoemamma3
    @MrJoemamma36 ай бұрын

    Love the hat and the content!

  • @fordvg
    @fordvg6 ай бұрын

    Very good video sir. I can see why the suppressor shot a little better because of the extra length also. Seen this in a long distance video before. Still very good video

  • @basrutten641
    @basrutten6412 ай бұрын

    Love your channel. How about a piston vs DI suppressed battle zero shift? See if a harsher recoil affects your POI!? Some different mechanics happening there. My Superlative Arms piston upper runs without gas rings. They claim it improves accuracy. Awful curious how it stacks up. I have a DDC Enticer S can in jail otherwise I would attempt it myself. You have answered many of the questions I have been asking myself. Keep up the great work and excited for what’s to come!

  • @Citizensoldier85-ik6er
    @Citizensoldier85-ik6er6 ай бұрын

    👍

  • @garyxoom7714
    @garyxoom77146 ай бұрын

    POI shift is the reason I have one rifle set up for dedicated suppressor use. The suppressor only gets removed for cleaning. And the suppressor is index marked so it always gets reinstalled in the same orientation.

  • @skullofserpent5727
    @skullofserpent57276 ай бұрын

  • @sp9395
    @sp93956 ай бұрын

    👍🏻

  • @Off-target-xy6bx
    @Off-target-xy6bx6 ай бұрын

    Good video 👍👍

  • @MountainsMulletsMerica

    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    6 ай бұрын

    Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

  • @jameskennedy4984
    @jameskennedy49846 ай бұрын

    For me the question is how much difference will there be if I have zeroed my rifle THEN put on a suppressor. What does that do to my zero and I’ve found that some suppressors make a huge difference while with others there is no difference. In one case the orientation of the suppressor makes a large difference. I’ve also found that adding a can USUALLY tightens up my groups. Everything depends on your rifle and your can and testing is the only way to find out.

  • @kevinfinch126

    @kevinfinch126

    6 ай бұрын

    I had the same thought. Based on this info, seems like it makes sense to zero it 50/200 without the can, and then if and when when you add it, you’re probably still within a usable max point blank range.

  • @pacifist8610
    @pacifist86106 ай бұрын

    Another great video! I would also be curious to compare POI shift of the Griffin can vs your Surefire can. (e.g. shoot 50 and 200 with two riffles - once suppressed and once unsuppressed without re-zeroing to compare the POI shifts).

  • @kevinelliott9679
    @kevinelliott96796 ай бұрын

    What I find more interesting is what it dose to max expected fragmentation range, then what it does to the battle zero.

  • @chriscarr6659
    @chriscarr66596 ай бұрын

    Cool Review as usual, I guessed the POI would be higher with the Suppressor since it's technically adding barrel length

  • @bradley6609

    @bradley6609

    6 ай бұрын

    More barrel harmonics than length the tip if the barrel is flipping like a jump rope in super slow motion just as the base of the bullet leaves the crown of the muzzle any changes to that tuning fork will change poi down range add to that back pressure from the can ect

  • @Moetown1986
    @Moetown19866 ай бұрын

    Dude. Your videos are gold. You explain everything so my monkey brain can understand it. Keep up the good work.

  • @bradyclark7185
    @bradyclark71855 ай бұрын

    my friend, the 50 yard zero was designed for a 16" barrel. other than that, great content.

  • @shootingwithsheps
    @shootingwithsheps6 ай бұрын

    I love your work. I would have also shot the same test again with a third set of groups after re installing the suppressor back on to make sure no zero shift & suppressor is consistent. Lesser quality mounts / suppressors will change POI every time.

  • @rifleshooterchannel208

    @rifleshooterchannel208

    6 ай бұрын

    Yes. If there is one takeaway from this video, is that Griffin’s mounting system is hot garbage.

  • @shootingwithsheps

    @shootingwithsheps

    6 ай бұрын

    @@rifleshooterchannel208agreed. Not a fan of griffen anything

  • @kevbot48
    @kevbot486 ай бұрын

    Would be interesting to Chrono the suppressed/unsuppressed across m193/m855/mk262

  • @Gunthusiest
    @Gunthusiest6 ай бұрын

    The way you present these topics are perfect. You should be a teacher 😂

  • @joshuasmidt8595
    @joshuasmidt85956 ай бұрын

    id like to see velocity in each video just a short section where you chrono the differences.

  • @brucewanda9564
    @brucewanda95646 ай бұрын

    I see that you do use a 50-200yd zero! Proved it to be very close, even with short barrel and with or without the suppressor.

  • @grayman4405
    @grayman44056 ай бұрын

    Great content. I’m curious what zero’s you recommend on 10.5” vs 16” 5.56 defensive rifles?

  • @thorsmith59
    @thorsmith596 ай бұрын

    Good video. I would like to have seen groups without rezeroing when removing the can.

  • @308reloader5
    @308reloader56 ай бұрын

    deep dive need my snorkel gear before i do think i miss place it in the garage some where geting old kinda sucks ; )

  • @Mike750200
    @Mike7502006 ай бұрын

    Always appreciate your content! Have often wondered: do you warm up your rifles/suppressors before starting to film? (especially dealing with first round pop/pressure differences when suppressed?)

  • @MountainsMulletsMerica

    @MountainsMulletsMerica

    6 ай бұрын

    I don’t make any kind of specific effort to warm things up. Normally though the rifles would be warm when shooting on camera. Prior to filming a scene I typically do things like check zero, check velocity, verify data at distance etc. Not trying to impact the results, just want to make sure the data on film is the most accurate as possible for the viewers.

  • @Mike750200

    @Mike750200

    6 ай бұрын

    @@MountainsMulletsMerica Totally get it! I think it's obvious you have to do some amount of exploration that doesn't make it to final cut. Some of your first round suppressed shots, historically, have looked like you're dealing with first round pop issues (as far as groups/consistency)

  • @zumie8703
    @zumie87036 ай бұрын

    What rail panels are those? Also, your videos rock! 🤘

  • @mrushing76
    @mrushing766 ай бұрын

    You should Chrono your rounds suppressed vs nonsuppressed...I've seen velocity changes across the can.

  • @AZMarine513
    @AZMarine5136 ай бұрын

    My Silencer Co Omega changes POI vertically by nearly 2" at 100 yards when installed, then removed with the same zero.

  • @grantjamrock3812
    @grantjamrock38126 ай бұрын

    18" 6mm arc zero next!?

  • @natekester2763
    @natekester27636 ай бұрын

    Oh video idea sir: can you repeatedly shoot different suppressors on and off - to find out if the POI change is consistently changing for the suppressors you have? Then it could be an easy note on your rifle for that adjustment.

  • @richardring7762
    @richardring77626 ай бұрын

    Hey boss man, can you make a 6.5 Grendel SBR video seeing how far out you can take it?

  • @matthew5027
    @matthew50276 ай бұрын

    Dwell time

  • @huntersmark917
    @huntersmark9176 ай бұрын

    I feel like groups open up a little with a suppressor. Especially on short barrels. Also, are you changing the gas when suppressed vs unsuppressed?

  • @bradscott2283
    @bradscott22836 ай бұрын

    I'd like to see the same video but without re-zeroing between suppressed and unsurpassed.. just to see how far off you would be if you had your rifle zeroed and then put a suppressor on it suppressor on it

  • @an23439
    @an234396 ай бұрын

    Looking for my first rifle. I hear savage 110 in 6.5and rugger precision 6.5 are good. I've been looking for at both but I don't know what rifle to pick. If money wasn't an issue I would pick both. But now I hear a debate between 6.5 Creedmoor and 300 crp. Need some help making the right choice . Again im just getting into this game!!!! Thanks in advance

  • @papertrell4538
    @papertrell45386 ай бұрын

    I have an a2 carry handle with a mini acog attached & a 11.5 barrel an my height over bore is 3.5, how do I use the 36yard zero at 25 yards indoors range!? Do I come down an inch to make up the difference!? What should I do!? To make this useful for my setup

  • @axebjo
    @axebjo6 ай бұрын

    From what I understand suppressors effectively elongates the barrel, creating higher pressure and increases bullet velocity or am I wrong?

  • @davidhoffpauir1963
    @davidhoffpauir19636 ай бұрын

    Should shoot little higher at 200 due to increased speed of the bullet. Shouldn't be much but 20 to 40 fps increase

  • @altairibnlaahad9348
    @altairibnlaahad93486 ай бұрын

    Freebore boost is a real thing.

  • @bigz5262
    @bigz52626 ай бұрын

    How about trying different brands of ammo, keeping everything else the same?

  • @kensmith8832
    @kensmith88326 ай бұрын

    Usually, a can will impair the velocity slightly, causing a reduction of range by inches. But your data shows the can was shooting higher? Can you rotate the can 90 and 180 degrees to see if this was a bore alignment issue?

  • @KevinMcGrath-777
    @KevinMcGrath-7776 ай бұрын

    Are you using an H3 or H4 buffer ? The can with baffles creates a small increase in pressure behind projectile..

  • @jameshill5304

    @jameshill5304

    6 ай бұрын

    On a 11.5 I’d say a sprinco blue spring with a H2 buffer. He may be running a AGB too .

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