Terrific interview. Really insightful and a lot to think about. Thanks to both.

thank you. an interesting discussion about emotions from the viewpoint of a "lover of wisdom". in a world where god may no longer exist and spirituality is so personal or non-existent... the understated is that we are all human, all searching, all feeling like we're sometimes a hot-mess and other times on top of the world. becoming every morning. being every day. learning every night. rinse, wash, dry, do it again. i'll take another helping of compassion and pass you some tenderness : )

it does seem to me that anger is generally over-pathologized. this is not to say I condone tantrums or verbal abuse of vulnerable parties and so on. what i find grotesque, though, is how open hostility is merely substituted for with covert or passive forms of aggression like shunning and ostracism (which are extremely psychologically cruel) and accepted (implicitly) as more 'enilightened' or virtuous ways of doing violence to those who offend or fail to meet some silent expectation or other. Now it seems the offended automatically move into a mode whereby the other is punished without knowing why. And these same people like to lecture one about empathy and inclusion. Their own sadism and hypocrisy remain hidden and unconscious while outwardly they perform 'spiritual' lives. The unannounced nature of the violence allows for all sorts of irresponsibility. I guess perhaps it traces to what she said about the people least able to tolerate conflict doing some of the creepiest shit.