Antikythera Fragment #1 - Ancient Tool Technology - Making A Small Parts Vise
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Antikythera Fragment #1 - #Ancient Tool Technology - Making A Small Parts Vise, by Clickspring.
A possible answer to the question "How did the Ancient Greeks hold small metal parts for filing?"
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00:25 And I'd like to talk a bit more about that in this video as I make a version of the device that I described. It's basically what we would today call a "stitching pony". or as I intend to use it, pushed firmly against the bench. A shallow wedge acts as a spacer for the 2 jaws, and a basic bronze casting can be slid up and down the taper to apply or remove the clamping pressure.
00:54. Much like the modern equivalent, an ancient version might have had the jaws covered in leather to both protect the work, and also improve the grip on the workpiece. Now of course, I'm using modern tools to make it. But its easy to imagine how this could have been constructed with the known tools of the day. The materials are common enough, and for the most part
01:13 I'm using interference fits and a wedge to hold everything together. So there's no modern fastener tech required. I must admit though, its very pleasant to be able to use modern power using a similar principle to the modern machine screw. So its not a huge leap to imagine a simple wooden screw vise existing in the same period.
02:01 But as tempting as it is to imagine the Ancient Greeks using tech closer to our own to solve the same problems, I think its worthwhile establishing that this need not necessarily have been the case. The Antikythera Mechanism is an elegant and strikingly efficient design, and much the same could be said of the broader Classical Greek culture.
02:22 I think that its reasonable to assume that the Ancient Greeks Secondly, each tool was a solution to a specific problem. So I'd expect the tools to be practical and functional, with no unnecessary embellishments.
03:07 So the tool would need to be easy to repair when it inevitable breaks or wears out. So I would expect no unnecessarily complex tech, and as few moving parts as possible. As I speculate on the tool technology going forward, And the tin is also scrap, left over from making the tin lapping discs in a previous video.
04:48 The casting looks to be OK, and now needs the sprue and riser cut off, and be given a general clean up. I used a file to knock off the sharp edges, and I've left the other surfaces with a bit of a rough "as cast" look to give the tool a bit more of an authentic presence. OK, so next up is the main body of the tool, and then hammered home.
07:14 Now there were quite a few traditional adhesives available for use in the ancient world. Although I imagine that a good choice to hold the leather in place would have been something simple like pine pitch, a thick tarry substance. I don't have a lot of pine trees in my part of the world, I cut it to a convenient operating length and then pinned the base with a single dowel.
08:27 But I figure if it was, then a natural linseed oil would probably be one of the options available. OK, so that's the tool compete, and I have to say that it has a nice convenient feel. is to use it to make something genuine, like a wheel from the mechanism. Initially I had expected to have to permanently fix the vise to the bench somehow.
09:41 Now to be clear, I'm not saying that this is definitely how the Ancient Greeks approached the problem of workholding. These are just my personal thoughts based on what's required for this specific machine. But I do think that this sort of approach is worth pursuing. And I think it will shake out some really interesting ideas and conversations as I build more of the tools.
Antikythera Fragment #1 - Ancient Tool Technology - Making A Small Parts Vise, by Clickspring.
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Striving for authenticity is great but wouldn't wearing a toga and sandals when you work add just that little bit more?
@Clickspring
7 жыл бұрын
Briefly donned trousers for OSHA, back into sandals and toga immediately after they left...
@nowayjerk8064
7 жыл бұрын
toga TOGA TOGA TOGA TOGA SORRY FOR THE OUT BURST bmp.
@unistrut
7 жыл бұрын
Togas were worn by Romans, a Greek tradesman would probably be in a chiton. A lot less cloth to get snarled in the lathe...
@nowayjerk8064
7 жыл бұрын
chiton chiton chiton CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON CHITON?
@StefanGotteswinter
7 жыл бұрын
Sandals are common machineshop footwear :)
*casually hand files a perfect toothed gear* lol, interesting video as always - almost makes you wonder if some of our modern tools are infact a little over-engineered!
@tennif1
7 жыл бұрын
Sigma175 I was going to ask if anyone noticed that he hand filed a gear and doesn't even say a word about it. Like it is something that is so common it's not worth mentioning. I am over here saying, wait did he just do that to test this vise project?
@LucasGarrow
7 жыл бұрын
Scrolled down for this lol
@johnfox4691
6 жыл бұрын
You mean that you don't file perfect gear wheels by hand every day!! :-) I thought I was seeing things at first until I remembered who was doing the filing. A craftsman of the first order.
@Chris.Davies
2 жыл бұрын
What limits your ability to produce ever-finer tolerances is your test and measuring equipment. They dictate how accurate your machines or hand-work can be. Parts can be produced more quickly and more cheaply when the tolerances and materials required are fully understood. When I consider the engineering of and manufacturing ability to mass-produce my DeWalt brushless tools, I am blown aware. This equipment is unbelievably tough, so powerful it constantly surprises me, so accurate as to be mind-boggling, and so long-lasting I purchased smaller batteries because they weigh less! Over-engineering is not really a thing. Engineering is a mirror on the importance and price of the article in question. If you choose to spend more than the minimum required on engineering, you are part of the solution, rather than a part of the problem. Under-engineering is what leads to Very Bad Things.
@peterfireflylund
Жыл бұрын
Impressive, but the teeth were premarked. You can see some of the tiny scratch marks on the edge facing the camera before he starts filing, which ones you can see depends on how he holds his right hand.
Making a pinion using just a needle point file... You are incredibly patient, I must admin!
@MaxMakerChannel
7 жыл бұрын
Andriy Syrovenko crazy
@gavinjenkins899
7 жыл бұрын
I've made a serrated steak knife from a blank before with a needle file, which should take longer than this with about as many teeth but harder metal, and it was maybe an hour's work, not really that bad at all. The measuring in this case though might be bit more annoying ahead of time given a circle. However, would they have had steel files at the time? I'm guessing likely not, but not sure. If not they probably had a slightly harder alloy or could work harden a tool or something, but it might have taken a lot longer than this if the hardness difference was low. I can say that a major advantage of this vice he just built would be the ability to easily carry it outside due to being free standing. The LIGHT you need to make those teeth is significant, and I'd definitely want to file them in the sun in Greece without any powerful electric lights.
@cdmbr7090
7 жыл бұрын
Gavin Jenkins the mediterranean was more than a millenium into the iron age by the point of the antikythera mechanism's creation. Steel was very much available at the time.
@justinhadley3927
6 жыл бұрын
That's a very good point, thinking of how inventions and discoveries evolve over the course of millennia. If we were to draw parallels, the navigational compass was invented a millennia ago, c.1000 A.D in China and simultaneously the Norse invaders used lodestones for navigation whilst seafaring. Today for navigation we have the Earth mapped out with a discrete numbering system i.e Longitude and Latitude co-ordinates and the Global Positioning System (G.P.S)
"G'day, and welcome to clickspring" is like hearing from an old friend. In a crazy year where isolation was the norm, this channel is a godsend.
Hey Folks, This video is the first episode in a companion series to the main Antikythera Mechanism project, that I'm calling "Antikythera Fragments". Sort of like the ongoing "Spare Parts" series, but specifically for the AM. The reason for the separate series is that there's a lot that I'd like to discuss about this machine, that requires a large amount of speculation and guesswork. I'd like the main series to be as fact based as possible, so when I know I'm clearly deviating into speculation territory, I'm going to hive the topic off into one of these "Fragment" videos. It doesn't mean that I think the speculated idea is necessarily wrong, just that its more open for discussion. I'll share my thinking with you, and hopefully you'll have your own thoughts and share them too. The first subject I want to cover is the topic of workholding that I briefly touched on in the 2nd episode. Enjoy! Chris. (By the way, if you want some random Antikythera Facts, and to maybe see what I'm up to through the week, the best place to find me is on Twitter, @clickspring1 - twitter.com/clickspring1)
@SalahEddineH
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea! I love it! Keep 'em coming, your videos are so addictive I have no idea why!
@theoneguy3972
7 жыл бұрын
Clickspring lovit
@MarkWladika
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris, this is a terrific addition to the main project. Your assumptions about the original tools are quite valid, there's even a whole discipline in archeology, experimental archaeology, devoted precisely to the kind of exploration you're doing. Good on ya mate!
@NovaCoronaSolarisBlast
7 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if for a later series you make a miniature replica of one of the early steam locomotives which used massive gears to power the wheels and is potentially clockwork powered. it'd make for a fantastic project that would combine skills already demonstrated with something a bit different and one that I would definitely try to replicate
@albertleppo8139
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making videos. See ya later!
This is it, folks. The ultimate expression of human independent action, combined with superb skill, total dedication, reverence for ancient processes, consistent curiosity, and fantastic workmanship, filmed beautifully, and presented compellingly. THIS is what I want to celebrate: our relentless humanity; our stupendous ability; our incalculable commitment; our multi-millennial passion for performing the finest handcrafting; and our fascination with mechanical technology. Thank you, Chris, on behalf of everything that will every call itself human.
@hw2664
Жыл бұрын
this !!
I must admit, the simplicity of this tool is rather striking seeing as how effective it seems to be. I am definitly going to be making one of these for my model building. Unlike a lot of modern vices this seems like it would be a breeze to put away after use, and wont take up any of my extremely limited tabletop workspace when not in use. I applaud you for showing us how you made it.
man to be honest, i hadn't even heard of clickspring until two days ago on a wikipedia article about the antikythera mechanism. after watching these videos i can't believe BUT that this guy must be a humble man. a genius no doubt but humble. all this trouble he's taking on himself to show what the ancient greeks did and laying it out there for the world to see in these beautiful videos, without too much thought on what he gets in RETURN, except maybe some viewer's joy and satisfaction. the world the way it is now, people like that won't get fame, because their work has a low return value. the economics of convenience runs the world, it's all get rich and famous quick schemes, and its the instagram models that are the social media user's new gods. but i bow to you brother, you are a gem of a man. shabaash.
@pratyushjayachandran
5 жыл бұрын
Well written! The thing with such channels is that the viewer base knows what the channel's worth is.
Came back to rewatch this entire series!
Great work indeed. As an artist and sculptor who lost the use of one arm, this video gave me a great boost of excitement; what an amazing devise, its simplicity makes it so versatile. I own a whole bunch of flexible, jointed vises, clamps etc but for ease of use and positioning, this ancient devise is, for me, revolutionary. I'm going to have a go at making at round or hexagonal one; being able to adjust the height so easily, when used in a vise or sitting, is very appealing.
Everything in your videos just exudes skill, professionalism and pride in your work. It really is a pleasure to watch them.
who is thumbs downing chris' videos? I find this is the only channel on yt where i feel compelled to like every single vid
never clicked on a video faster in my life
Hi Chris. I've been watching your clock videos since the beginning, and a have nearly finished 2 master's degrees during that time. I am now on my way to a PhD program, and love that you are starting this new series which will will continue to be a regular part of this next phase of my life. I can't wait to look back at this project years from now the same way I can keep revisiting part of the clock series. Thank you sir, and cheers!
@Clickspring
7 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate!
After having watched all the Antikythera videos, I just have one word; "Masterclass". And it's free. Incredible.
@kurumi394
4 жыл бұрын
Chris is one of the few reasons I keep adblock off when watching KZread videos
You manage to make a black sand mold look amazing, great video
Holy cow, gear teeth cut by hand! My hats off to you Chris. :)
The speculation about the tools used at the time and trying to replicate them is as awesome as the big project itself! Keep going man :)
you are truly a renaissance man Chris. Machine work, carpentry and foundry man...you blow me away sir.
I can't decide if your workmanship is better than your videography skills or vice versa. Doesn't matter however, because I truly enjoy both. Thanks!!
@Clickspring
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Pat, terrific to have you watching mate :)
I'm not a metalworker, but I can't get enough of these videos. keep up the great work.
My life is just waiting for these videos. Keep it up.
Actually... this is a great way to make a stitching clam! I'm a leatherworker and this is both simple but also beautiful! Thanks for sharing.
Your videos are endlessly fascinating. As a career machinist, the origins of accurate work have always interested me. The great concept is that accuracy can be made from less accurate mechanisms. The saying is: "all new machine tools are made on older machine tools." The boot-strapping from simple hand tools up to modern machines is a part of history seldom mentioned. Thanks for your amazing work.
How can everything you make be so beautiful yet functional
SOOOO glad to see more vids comin' from ya.
Just.. keep these coming! I love your work, so much!
Man, this videos series is one of the most awesome and brilliant things I've seen in my life. Thank you so so so much for sharing this.
Sweet build!
Just an astonishingly awesome video - I'm not sure how I came upon this series, but the A.M. has been something I've read everything I could about and fascinates me to no end. And your videos are just, I'm sorry, I lack the words to convey. Just amazing. THANK YOU for sharing your incredible skills. Just - thank you.
wow this is the soonest i've ever been to a clickspring video! it brightens my day every time you post a video
Did the saying " the patience of a saint" originate from this ancient technology ? Truly absorbing to watch, a great video to watch.
you know Chris I am constantly amazed at how you continually outdo your previous video's...to see you making tools as well as the main components for the thing you are building is always a joy to see...I am loving this Antikythera build and I can't wait to see more over the coming months! You are an amazing machinist and fabricator mate!
Excellent and informative as always. Mega thanks from NZ
That's a really beautiful and smart vise. Thanks for sharing!
Chris, how is it that every time that I watch a video of yours I am amazed by your craftsmanship?
I look forward to watching you build this one like the clock, thank you for sharing your wonderful handly work
I can see how this would also work for carving and general work holding, I need to make one of these for my workshop. Thanks for sharing.
And the great work continues! Well Done!
As always a complete joy to watch your videos! Very nice work and production. Looking forward to the next episode.
Discovered your channel today and I just wanted to say listening to your nice voice with this high production value is simply lovely.
@Clickspring
6 жыл бұрын
Terrific to have you watching mate :)
Beautiful tool and remarkable craftsmanship!
Fascinating and thank you for taking the time to show how this elegant tool is made.
Fascinating. Incredible work and I also like the way you think about how tools were made and used in ancient times. Can't get enough of this stuff!
Good thing I'm not your neighbor. "Here's my neighbor that's always asking me a thousands questions". 😁 Really enjoy your work and the excellent craftsmanship. 👍👍
Mate. the knowledge and skills you have amaze me. and too top it off the quality of your vids is second to none. great voice over too. Can't wait for the next episode
I look forward to videos from this channel more than any other channel. Keep up the good work!
The best content. The best voice. The best production. So happy I found you and your work
Absolutely brilliant execution of this bronze casting! Great video as always! Keep them coming!
I love it. Thanks for sharing!
I love learning about the ancient techniques used to craft this crazy thing!
that casting was beautiful
I love the mixed technology approach, I think it adds a especial value the whole project
These videos always take my breath away with the attention to detail, great camera work, godlike patience, and soothing voice over. Smelting your own bronze like that just takes it to another level, and I was happy to see that included. Can't wait for the next video!
YES!! Another video from Clickspring!
I have to say Chris, you make it look wonderful. Just filing down teeth on a sprocket, and you make it look so wonderful. Yet i know there are hours and hours of work in that one piece. From layout to actual filing and filming. Thank you for your amazing work and I'm always astounded at the way you make things look.
Chris the quality of your videos is really insane! The image, the sound, the pace and how you cut it, it's IMO unreached on youtube. Your videos are so enjoyable and satisfying to watch because I know everything will be just perfect and neat and beautiful. So keep doing what you're doing, because you are doing it right Sir!
@danallured5806
6 жыл бұрын
Real Rebellion got to fully agree with your statement, the only other channel that I enjoy just as much is This old Tony's videos, great sense of humour too that you have to be switched on to catch them all!
@guitarchitectural
4 жыл бұрын
No kidding. I watched a bunch of these videos and now I'm looking at large and mill prices... Lol
Hi, Brilliant work as usual. Many thanks for sharing. Kind regards, Colin.
I just can't wait to see your next videos ... By making it the ancient way is the way of showing how much is your passion and desire, Just like them. BIG applaud Chris.
I have watched many of your videos and all are great. The style and quality of presentation make them almost meditative.
Some day I hope to be this confident, and competent in the use of tools and fabrication techniques. Love the videos and can't wait for the next one.
Amazing! It is pretty incredible that just the other day I was discussing with a friend how on earth could the ancients have made the gears on the antikythera mechanism and then I find your video. I am very impressed. Thanks for sharing!
These are still (seriously) some of the most well made videos on youtube by a single person, the quality overall is mindblowing,
Still one the best channels on KZread!
Thank you for all the episodes showing your take on the ancient tools that could have been used. More than discussion, your making and using the ancient tools was a wonderful experience to watch, and gave me a greater appreciation of the basics ideas behind precision machining.
I love that your videos have subtitles, they help a lot sometimes !
This is amazing! Actually making the tools they could have used and then using it yourself to make a part is a way to truly appreciate all the work and skill that went into designing and making something as ancient and as precise as this.
I immediately subscribed, sure I won't regret. Planning to view all of Clickspring's uploads. Real craftsmanship is a joy to view. 🖖😀👍
My grandfather was a carver and gilder. He had [I have] 500 master carvings and 500 molds. The older ones were made form pitch, the more modern ones are made from a mix of shellac and talc. 95% of them were used for the ornate picture frame construction [like L-13, L-14, L-15, L-16]. Nice to watch young folks use the old but time proven methods. Cheers.
@Clickspring
7 жыл бұрын
Cheers Tommy, terrific to read that detail, and thanks for tuning in :)
Ingenious design!This will be my next project-so versetile and useful!
Another fantastic video. Thank you for the awesome content.
That was brilliant, well done. 👍🏼😊
Just awesome! Thanks!!
Perfectly valid approach. Workholding takes many forms, so this is one way it could be done. This series should be valuable to archeologists.
Experimental archaeology at it's finest....I salute you Chris
15 secs into the video and already liked it because I know it's gonna be awesome.
The video quality of your videos are always top notch!
I'm amazed I hadn't discovered this channel sooner! Wonderful video, right up my street. I'll be subscribing and following this series for sure!
Very nice simple tool! Well done.
I'm impressed about your patience to file down every tooth!!!! Keep on going, i love your videos! Greetings from Germany
thank you. always amazing
Fascinating.
That is a beautiful casting.
Excellent Chris! Thanks for the hard work
@Clickspring
7 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jim :)
Great project, Chris.
Very nice I am glad I saw this I am in the middle of making a leather stitching pony and clam pony. This gave me different ideas for designs. You are very talented and I can't imagine the amount of research you have done for projects.
you are amazing. the videos i have seen are wonderfully made and beyond interesting.
i am very glad i have stumbled upon this channel
I love this keep up the exceptional work
man, this is actually a great idea! What a great tool!
your videos, technical acumen and all around intelligence is so enjoyable.
superb work as usual!
ngl since seeing this video a few years back, it's been my favourite style of vise. I aim to make one like this for my future workshop
Looking forward to watching you fabricate this fascinating machine. :)
This is binge worthy!
Gosh, that's so impressive!
Wow ! it is very impressively !!!
I like your videos, you do a professional job! You are not afraid of your own voice, you know how to use the music so it's not annoying or too loud but just right so it can be heard in the background where it belongs. You how to use the high speed function of your camera SPARINGLY so we can enjoy the sight and sound of the operation, you are trying to share with your viewers. Great job, thank you!
I think it's incredible how the ancient civilisations created such simple but effective tools. It's a great idea that you show us what the Greeks had in their workshops!
I've been expecting this ! I just watched the entire clock build again today, off work sick, it really lifted my spirits ! I'm totally impressed with your work methodology on this build, not only are you attempting to build this thing, you are making as many tools as you can plus cutting the teeth on the wheels by hand ! Are you mad ? ! ? I'm sure you have put a lot of research into this project and you are not concerned about how long it takes, I imagine you enjoy the challenge ! Good for you and thanks for bringing us along !