This was amazing & Julie, you are a powerhouse in this movement. Do not doubt your ability to articulate the truth, not just your truth, but the truth. I came to antil mlm as a therapist with a client who had chronic trauma from this industry. Of all channels, yours, The Recovering Hunbot and The Bre Bares are now where i learn. Thank you. As for Mr. Fitzpatrick, i have read his book & it is a must.

@MelanieSkipper

9 ай бұрын

Me too, all of it!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

Multi Level Marketing is another example why I am so interested in US politics. I head so many times that "you are not an American, stay out of our politics...", but the thing is that crappy ideas often spread to Europe.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

haha that's rich being told "stay out of our politics"...can't make that shit up!!!

@ChristineCavalier

9 ай бұрын

And these scams are invading Europe, Africa, China. Beware!

Outstanding interview, just amazing. The only person who could possibly watch it and not give it a thumbs up would be Scott Johnson or maybe Peter Mingles.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Hahahahaha exactly

Hi Julie, I second FitzPatrick's final comments on your contributions and the contributions of the anti-MLM community. The grass-roots effort, which you are a part of, is the ONLY solution to the MLM problem, for reasons you discuss during the interview. I'd like to add to FitzPatrick's comments by noting that it's essential to mention that MLM recruiters are most often being deceived themselves. They would never knowingly hurt their friends and families by luring them into a trap.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Rob! And excellent point about MLM recruiters...I was one of them. I still believe that most people would not knowingly hurt friends and family - and I am now aware that some people do. That part hurts. :(

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

9 ай бұрын

If you somehow are properly whisked beside the points of logic that refute "The Plan" you can become an extremely effective recruiter!!!!! Of course, the other way is knowing the problems and recruiting anyhow....

Thank you Julie and Robert for the truth behind the MLM scam and how it’s so easy to fall for the deception and the inside facts of how they deceive people. Julie I love your interview approach and how you let the person talk. You are made for this!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much Doris! :)

Holy crap when he described the adoration to a coach or the leader on top.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Yeah...😩

Ponzinomics was so eye opening for me as far as the depth of the deception built into MLM from the beginning

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Same!!

I've studied Christian cults for years and recently found your channel along with others in the Anti-MLM community. My heart breaks for those taken advantage of and pray they open their eyes to see the utter destruction in their lives due to those preying on others. Please continue showing everyone the truth of these wolves in sheep's clothing.

@JulieAndersonvideos

6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much. It's validating to connect with others who see what so many of us who have left MLMs experienced. Really see and understand it. Because the wall of indifference met by people leaving MLM keeps that shame alive and prevents people from speaking out or really knowing what they were part of. Really appreciate your comment.

This is so so necessary. Thank you for doing it. I’ve been trying to tell AntiMLMers to stop using the term “girl” for women. To stop calling it “a business.” I hope they all see this.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Yes! Thank you for doing this. More and more people are gaining a deeper understanding of the MLM phenomenon. There's a false belief that once we're out of MLM or even speaking out about it, that we are "free" from it. The misuse of language is a huge concern and one that's so obvious, it's a wonder how we all miss it...I was floored when I realized how I was speaking the same way I did in MLM. The language around MLM cultic rackets is already changing. Already, creators with significant followings are talking about MLM cults and they aren't even in the "antimlm space." As more and more MLM survivors wake up, they will have access to an even greater supply of content to self-educate, and there will be more survivors who choose to speak out...and more whistleblowers too. It will be fascinating to look back on how people's beliefs and language change in the "antimlm" space in the years to come. Thank you for your comment! :)

Just finished reading Ponzinomics! Excellent work on the book, Robert, and thanks for a great video, Julie!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

You're welcome! 😀

Omg, LM did this to me exactly!! I had ms (didn't know it yet, but couldn't walk), had gone through a divorce, lost my business, and basically felt pretty worthless. Worst of all, it was a friend/boss who insisted it would fix my life in every respect!!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Oh my goodness! 🥺

After listening to him and how dangerous MLMs are, I am so happy you got out !

RACKET yes I love that word to describe the conglomerate of MLM companies!! I’ve been using “space” instead of “industry” because it’s not real business. But racket is the most accurate!!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

YEAH!! :)

Julie, I cannot thank you enough for this video and also to Mr. Fitzpatrick. When I was getting out of my MLM 3ish years ago I stumbled upon Robert, his book Ponzinomics was eye opening to me. The information in this video was profound, it helped connect so many dots in my brain. Thank you both, again!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

You're welcome! Congratulations on getting out of MLM! :)

I love all of Robert's interviews. It breaks my heart that he has dear ones stuck in MLMs and that he fought for so long pretty much alone. But it brings me hope that he is not the single voice anymore. There's an entire movement now

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

9 ай бұрын

My favorite Robert Interview so far is with Mizrahi .... So damn good....

Thank you Julie and Robert for this important video.

Breaking the narrative - such a valuable point to end on. So many are working towards challenging the narrative MLMs build; it can only withstand that barrage so long.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Yes! You sum it up so well!!!

Thank you Julie for an amazing video that will continue to help ppl for years to come

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Really appreciate this. 🙂

Julie I have started watching all your video's and you are absolutely amazing and hysterical!!! you have such a great presence on screen..... then add to that your incredible work exposing these bullying, manipulative, pycho, greedy, heartless scum YOU TOTALLY ROCK!! I just luv ya 🤩🤩🤩🤩

@JulieAndersonvideos

7 ай бұрын

Aww hey, thank you! I like creating and the social aspect of KZread too, doing livestreams and having fun with the community. I really like fucking around hahahahahahaha.

Awesome description of the way they use products to lure you in.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

I loved this description so much because it cuts through the nonsense of looking at income disclosure statements,.talking about the ingredients of the products. This is like describing the cheese and ignoring the mousetrap. Once people see MLMs for what they are, the products become irrelevant. Like Primerica going on about how their participants gey a license..it's irrelevant. It's just a piece of cheese disguising the mousetrap that's the endless chain!

Thank you both. I have been listening to/watching anti-mlm content for years, but I learned so much in this interview.

@JulieAndersonvideos

6 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Amazing interview with Robert Fitzpatrick! Julie, you have done such a great interview- thank you❤

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

I'm so happy you enjoyed it!

Wow! This was so good!! I love the simple language and explanations.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

:)

Julie, you’re an excellent interviewer and Robert is an excellent interviewee! Brilliant video, everything here is so incredibly important to learn. Stay aware and stay safe!

@JulieAndersonvideos

8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! 🙏

This was great, thanks for collaborating with him! There were so many phrases which were absolute jewels! I'll rewatch and take notes! Would be great for you to create shorts with them! Much love Julie! ❤

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestions about the shorts, I'll have to make some! When he talked about the mouse and cheese...that was such an awesome metaphor and I LOVED when he broke down the extreme money transfer using dollar amounts to illustrate his point. He made it make sense! :)

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

9 ай бұрын

​@@JulieAndersonvideos, we got everything from EZ SQUEEZE to Feta and Muenster.... Talking about the cheese is futile and distracting although funny at times....

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

@benjaminaristotleboes3157 exactly...the cheese is also the income disclosure statement, the product ingredients, the charitable work MLMs boast about, the awards they supposedly win for disrupting the industry. It's pointless to keep talking and analyzing those things as it gives legitimacy to MLMs...it's continuing to describe the cheese instead of the goddamn mousetrap!

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

9 ай бұрын

@@JulieAndersonvideos , I'd say, the things you describe almost constitute a poison in the cheese..... The insults to injury, like the upside down pay plan.....

This was great! Robert has contributed so much! 💙

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! I have so much respect for him!

It's frustrating that the FTC excused some while condemning others.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

This is an extremely important point. The FTC is responsible for initiating and maintaining the belief that there are some "good" MLMs out there. It wasn't the "Direct selling industry" it was the FTC. The FTC believes and maintains that MLM equals Direct selling. The FTC also did not have to accept the ruling in 1979. People who have been the head of the FTC have gone on to work for MLMs. Once people realize that it's not the public versus MLM but the the public versus MLM and the FTC things will get really interesting!

The part I liked the best was when he talked about these made up things to call a person that makes people follow them, and "prophet" was on his list - Ray Higdon of course is the most well known example for those of us who are anti-MLM and anti-scam. Great interview with very valuable information. You're not out there alone anymore Robert! There are many of us standing with you.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Lisa!! 😃

I read a text that described that cults often place experience at an higher place than reason. A cult will say that their solution/teaching/”business” model can not be grasped through the use of reason, it can only be experienced. A cult would say that an expert like Robert Fitzpatrick do not have valid perspectives because he has not experienced anything only used his reason.

Thanks Julie -Brilliant interview. I am reading his book.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

You're welcome 🙂

Omg yay!!!!! I’m streaming this one to my tv right now!! ❤

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

YAY!! :)

@jolenebardal

9 ай бұрын

@@JulieAndersonvideos this was amazing thank you for setting this up! For me I learn better with vocal stuff and being shown stuff rather than having to read everything. So so so soooo good!!!

This was so good!

Two legends!!! 🔥🐐

@JulieAndersonvideos

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Marco! 😀

there are better quality product's out there too!!! i always mention Marco because what he said is so true. Why go through a "middle man" when i can get what i need straight from the web site or Amazon or the store itself. And i dont run the risk of being pestered by a distributer following up !

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY. In MLM, many of us are taught and then parrot that we're needed because we're providing excellent customer service...and it's important that we explain in great detail how to use each product. It's nonsense but we all believe it!

Great video Subscribed

YES I’m so excited to watch this!!!

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

I'm so excited about this interview, Robert uses metaphors and a simple and clear way of explaining things!!

JULIE!!!! As always .... you ROCK!! xoxo ONTARIO LOVES YOU xoxo

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Hey thanks 🤗

Unfortunately, abusive boyfriends are MORE likely to abuse/kill their victims when victims leave and they become "exes." So changing that title will not "shift reality" and make him stop abusing you. But Robert's other analogies make sense!

They are 2 experts 🎉

AMAZING VIDEO ❤❤

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

AMAZING

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! :)

Hi Sienna! ❤

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

I love when she decides to make an appearance hahaha

#1 18:48 #2 28:26 #3 33:45 #4 39:28 #5 49:27

@JulieAndersonvideos

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for doing this!

Not only do people's brains shut down in the face of the deliberately-complicated compensation plan/stats/structures, they will artificially elevate their trust in the company because they need the opportunity to be real. I think people decide (consciously or sub-) that they don't actually need to try to understand these things when there is emotional manipulation in the mix. Which is the m.o. for most scams. You're probably about to say this, I'll keep watching, ha ha.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

You're right about this! I remember being told and in turn telling others I'd recruit, that the compensation plan would make sense as you went along...that there was no point in trying to understand because it wouldn't make sense. I was already part of the community, had been love bombed and also shamed when I asked my upline about the compensation plan. I remember her response was, "How long have you been a Market Partner now?" Insinuating that I should know by now. It's funny how specific encounters struck me at the time but I overlooked them!

@champagnehand

9 ай бұрын

@@JulieAndersonvideos It seems rather telling, how often you hear of love-bombing being swapped out for shaming, with no grey area in between. I imagine the most "successful" uplines use just enough love-bombing to keep you overlooking the rest!

Im not religious but this man has been sent from god!!!!!! 😇😇😇😇

@JulieAndersonvideos

7 ай бұрын

Robert is incredible. Can you imagine if people heard him speak over the cacophony of MLM participants clogging up social media feeds? (Why am I using c words this morning? Hahaha.) As it stands, the sheer volume of MLM participants posting in a frenzy gives social proof (albeit incorrect) that everyone is making money in these scams. Would be interesting to see those voices drowned out with content like Robert's!

@KatieB-0880

7 ай бұрын

@@JulieAndersonvideos 🤣🤣can you imagine in a third dimension Robert interviewing Ray.... all Ray would do is squirm and do strange things with his strange little T-Rex hands, hoping his hand gestures would save him🤣

@JulieAndersonvideos

7 ай бұрын

@donnab1368 hahahahaha he'd be scowling and slouching while reciting the definition of posture too 🤣🤣

@KatieB-0880

7 ай бұрын

@@JulieAndersonvideos 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@KatieB-0880

7 ай бұрын

@@JulieAndersonvideos I also noticed his Thunderbird eyebrows take on a life of their own… so what with his T-Rex hands and Elvis eyebrows Robert might need some back up!!!!!!!

They withhold important info to lure you in.

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Bingo! Always deception!

What do you say when Mlm recruiters say that any job is a pyramid scheme?

@JulieAndersonvideos

Ай бұрын

I don't say anything when encountering this, because the MLM participant is deep in the cult. No logic will get through. It's one of many memorized thought-terminating clichés we memorize to "overcome objections." When an MLM participant says this, they really believe they've won the conversation. And because they're in a cult, they'll get really emotional and defensive if anyone explains why what they're saying doesn't make any sense. Inevitably they end up insulting you. It's brutal how predictable these interactions go. Unfortunately there's not a special way of countering a statement like "any job is a pyramid scheme" to get through to someone. Depending on your relationship with the person, most times it's best to end the conversation. Things will only escalate as the cult member will view you as against them, as being a hater, etc. If it's a friend or family member, the best approach is setting firm boundaries, letting them know you care about them. Because eventually, they're going to see through the scam and will need people in their lives they can go to.

@poeticinspirations

Ай бұрын

I appreciate the reply..I was actually hoping to get in touch with you. I seen you've done some videos on send it and I was wondering if there had been any news about it. Someone I am an acquaintance with is involved in it and I'm a bit concerned. I have done a few Mlm's myself so I'm no stranger to the game...I guess you could say I am still in the process of deprogramming.. Anyway I appreciate you stepping up and out on this.

@JulieAndersonvideos

Ай бұрын

​@@poeticinspirationsI'm sorry to hear about your acquaintance involved with this. I don't have any updates, this particular scam annoys me so much, I've not looked at it for a while. I made four videos on it's first iteration (when it was called Paid Per Letter) and continue to receive deluded comments from participants on the first video just about every day. I guess I was preaching to the choir when I wrote my two cents to you in regards to how to respond when someone says "your job is a pyramid scheme." Haha. Congrats on getting out! And the deprogramming.....yep. I hope you’re getting enough rest and staying hydrated! The mindfuckery of MLM is...I don't have the words. Feel free to email me, toblyobly@yahoo.com

ranks are useless!! we can be rainbow unicorn diamond! hahahahaah

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Hahaha now that's an awesome rank! 🌈🦄💎

EX HUNS FTW

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

We have ALL the tricks hahahaha

I thought this was a video about Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and watched the full video. After that I realize MLM you are talking about has nothing to do with Maoism lol

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Haha oh no 🤣

Mlm dont teach you how to keep track of expenses!!

@Breathtolive

9 ай бұрын

It's not in their best interest to teach that

@JulieAndersonvideos

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. It's interesting how MLMs still claim they are helping people be "business owners" but not one MLM teaches or encourages its participants to track expenses.