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Andrew Neil: What Succession got right about Murdoch | SpectatorTV
Andrew Neil, The Spectator's chairman and a former editor of Rupert Murdoch's Sunday Times, joins Freddy Gray to discuss HBO's Succession. How close do the show's plot and characters mirror Murdoch's real-life media empire?
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Andrew Neill would be somewhere between Hugo and Kerry on a Murdoch show
Nice one Andrew, we live and learn……hopefully
Great podcast.... and great series indeed!
The Creator has said it's an amalgam of different people in that wealth bracket. It's not just Rupert Murdoch, it's Sumner Redstone, it's Bill Gates... etc
@SuperStella1111
Жыл бұрын
They don’t want legal trouble, so he said that. It’s the Murdochs. You are allowed to believe what you see ;)
@ChrisMorganComedy
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperStella1111it's a very childish way of thinking about art
@tombarnett5542
11 ай бұрын
@@ChrisMorganComedy u do realise that the writer’s original script that the show’s based on was called “The Murdochs”
Great interview
It’s my ringtone too Andrew!
It is no coincidence that HBO & CNN are owned by the same company yet the writers never mention Ted Turner (founder of CNN). His life story is very similar to Logan Roy’s.
@robertstraw9881
Жыл бұрын
The smug liberal news organisation with a fake sense of prestige.
The ending of Succession reminds me of Brexit. Quite plausible
Quite something to hear Andrew Neil at 10:30 saying that UK didn't have an 'Algeria' or a 'Vietnam' and that most of the decline-era violence in the British Empire happened after they got out of places???? Hmmm, ignoring the quagmire they got into in Ireland for years from 1916 to 1922 during years of guerrilla warfare during the Irish war of independence, and the disaster they created in Palestine which they ran away from, ditto in India. Not to mention the brutal war that raged for over 30 years in Northern Ireland until a peace was negotiated in 1998. This is why Neil can't be taken seriously, a serious blind spot for his own version of empire.
@Hartley_Hare
Жыл бұрын
It also had Malaya, the Mau Mau in Kenya... the list goes on.
@karmpuscookie
Жыл бұрын
They were not kinetic wars in the truest sense. Not really comparable, in this context.
@eddiebles_
Жыл бұрын
As an African I found Neil’s statement was more tongue and cheek than factual.
Murdoch family was represented on a macro level, but the issue was much larger. End of media empire, translated to end of American Empire writ large. The message is the medium, and frightfully influences elections Prime Ministers and Presidents are chosen by the few, for the many.
@mtngrl5859
Жыл бұрын
The main character is a blend of Murdoch with Andrew Carnegie, who built a huge fortune and set foundations up. Personally I see Rupert as a weak person. By weak, his multiple marriages to inappropriate women, which shows a lack of judgement. As RFK Jr told Megyn Kelly in an interview about his friendship with former head of Fox, Roger Ailes, that Murdoch told Ailes that anything of a political nature had to be approved by him. So, when Tucker Carlson showcased certain covert policies plus in his interview with RFK how big pharma was co-opting information about our last health policy, was not allowing real results to be broadcast. 75% of all funding for corporate media is through Big Pharma and in particular Pfizer. Within 3 days of this interview being aired-Carlsen did not get approval for said interview-Tucker Carlsen was fired.
@dco1487
Жыл бұрын
@@mtngrl5859 Tucker Carlson also knowingly lied about election results and openly supported Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. The guy is a sociopath that cost Fox lots of money.
@RenegadeShepard69
Жыл бұрын
@@mtngrl5859 Between that and your other comments here, I'm afraid to say this show isn't really for you. You'd probably think it's too lefty if you could at least understand it.
@mtngrl5859
Жыл бұрын
@@RenegadeShepard69 I'm an old school liberal or what is referred to as a "classical liberal" which essentially means I can listen to all view points, then based upon varied information can make my own informed decision. Back when I was young, people of different political belief system could have civil conversations without being so Tribal. With respect to my commenting on RobertaSirgutz8800, she has limited historical background. Further, her statement that message is the medium, is a plagiarism of the Canadian media guru Marshall McLuhan, whose fame was that Media was the message. At least if one is going to use a quote or thought, give credit to the individual who created said term. I've enjoyed Andrew Neil for years and he is a superb interviewer. My understanding is that the Spectator has more of a conservative tone. While I understand that being a conservative in the UK has a different perspective than the US, the conservative party here is not defined by Donald Trump, despite what the corporate media would like to present to people. In addition, I also appreciate Freddy Gray who brings an interesting perspective as well. Also, Douglas Murray seems to float between other channels and he always has something interesting to add.
It was also inspired by the Maxwells, apparently.
In Lancashire we have an expression going back to the Industrial Revolution, Clogs to Clogs in 3 generations. There's nothing new under the sun.
@mtngrl5859
Жыл бұрын
One can easily see this in the Vanderbilt family as well. This is why the Hearst family was smarter than most, they set up a corporation that runs the businesses and the family only has shares. This keeps the family well funded, but neutered.
The Shield was a great ending.
Breaking bad was well written but i hated all of the characters and it felt like what hell must be like....everyone keeps repeating mistakes and never learns. It had a satisfying ending because we werent rooting for anyone.
Great program... ah how I long for the day when we ni longer discuss DT in any way other than a cautionary tale of ego .
@mtngrl5859
Жыл бұрын
You bet, really hate those Trump years. Hate those low gas prices (petrol), low interest rate, low unemployment figures, no spiraling wars where billions are being pissed down the drain, not abandoning Americans and our allies in far off lands, leaving billions of arms behind to our enemies. Yes, the Trump years were hell on earth.
@dco1487
Жыл бұрын
@@mtngrl5859 A President doesn't influence gas prices. The PPP loans were created under Trump and he ran up the deficit more than any other president before covid. So you can thank him as well for the interest rates. You can only speculate on Afghanistan or Ukraine. Trump didn't deliver, trade deficits with China increased. His foreign policy was decent but his domestic policy sucked. Not to mention he almost pulled off a coup. He was treated badly by the press but not the right guy for the job and not a great President.
@jhykobz1yq
Жыл бұрын
Less than four years ago and clowns are already romanticising and fictionalising America which has been broken since the 70’s
@KM-pq7sr
Жыл бұрын
@@mtngrl5859 Well said
@danielhawthorn6639
Жыл бұрын
@@mtngrl5859 You should research about Trump's expanded drone strike program. Billions lost while he was bombings civilians.
Hi spectetor oil price is below 70 dollar x barrel why is so high at the pump ?
How does it feel to get sacked on your 1st day ??
Thanks Andrew Neil. Like anyone's going to listen to you.
Andrew Neil's analysis sounds to be rooted in knowing Murdochs for a long time but never getting involved with the family actually.
Great to see GB News doing so well.
@McNamara0723
Жыл бұрын
Are you being sarcastic? Peter Andre and Farage, a channel of egos.
@lewis123417
Жыл бұрын
@@McNamara0723 they just won the favourite news brand of the year
@glassmuxxic
Жыл бұрын
@@lewis123417 Their viewing figures are atrocious, and they are ranked as one of the least trusted media brands in the UK. Being the favourite of a loud minority of partisan weirdos doesn’t count for much.
@lewis123417
Жыл бұрын
@@glassmuxxic your a bit out of date there. They get more evening viewers than sky news which has been here for years
@Hartley_Hare
Жыл бұрын
@@lewis123417 A lot of people are stupid enough to want a news channel that confirms their biases and tells them things which conform to their worldview.
do you realize that succession is actually NOT about murdoch family right? if you are a deep fan you know it’s only an initial inspiration. the rest was jesse and very shakespearean story. a lot things were not the same as murdoch.
@TimesFM4532
Жыл бұрын
It’s not about them but is pretty damn similar
@DSQueenie
Жыл бұрын
Rupert Murdoch allegedly, had a divorce stipulation that his ex-wife couldn’t sell stories to the writers of succession. There may be some truth to the Murdoch/Roy similarities.
@jhykobz1yq
Жыл бұрын
You can’t just reinterpret Shakespeare either, in fact if you listen to the podcast the writers consult people who work closely with these families and corporations and even go so far as to say they tone down the behaviour, because some of these families behave so badly people wouldn’t actually believe it.
@karmpuscookie
Жыл бұрын
We know.
@lefroy1
Жыл бұрын
Dynastic anecdotes from the Murdoch's and others were the meat around King Lear's bones.
No we didn't have a Vietnam or Algeria but we have an Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan ect.
Every time I see this bloke I’m so happy my vote for remain didn’t mean shit
In the time you create an empire, is the day it stops and slowly starts to dismantle
First tier prestige drama is _The Sopranos_ , _The Wire_ , _Breaking Bad_ , and _Mad Men_ . Second tier is _Better Call Saul_ and _Game of Thrones_ . _Succession_ is in the third tier.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
Жыл бұрын
Game of Thrones is garbage since season 5 and had a bunch of issues even before and was never as good as the book series. It's insane to put that thing anywhere near Succession, let alone above it. And having seen The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, Succession is at the same level. The Americans should also be there. (I could never get into Mad Men)
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I felt Election night went too far. It left the sense that Roman called the election and only hinted that some process was in place to count the Milwaukee votes. Definitely on the edge. I always struggled with the kids conversations. Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah for sure. Because you know…yeah. Right? For sure. I mean yeah.
American TV uses EVERYONE's talent, no matter where they are from. That's what makes it the best in the world.
Another Far Left Hitjob?
@mvubu6823
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Neil Andrew the leftist 🤣🤣🤣
@thuglifebear5256
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Andrew Neil cucked out, so he might as well be.
American tv has it's highlights once in a while but never the quality of British tv very rare i disagree with andrew but i have to this time.😃
@Jamesgarethmorgan
Жыл бұрын
Paul who obviously doesn't watch much TV.
the indian rebellion of 1857. the american revolutionary wars? ireland? sorry, mate, you have a delusional view on the singularity of the british empire. the british empire was like any other empire.
Brillo head is a major hypocrite
@BionicCheese
Жыл бұрын
The Brillo of Pad
@Jamesgarethmorgan
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing.
Succession wasn’t that great. If you like watching spoiled narcissists stabbing each other in the back, it’s ok.
@timcomley5948
Жыл бұрын
We do 😁
@Mr.Artude
Жыл бұрын
It”s an old trope, but who s making more compelling TV,?could you? What would your pitch be?
@Mr.Artude
Жыл бұрын
i loved it
@jessestevens_aka_jesus
Жыл бұрын
It's a boring premise on paper. But they managed to make it entertaining with great writing and performances.
@t5kcannon1
Жыл бұрын
@Mr Artude People are allowed to disagree. What obligation do we have to answer your daft question?What makes you think Succession was good? Grow up.
🤡 I have never watched Succession, but who plays Andrew's character, and is he well dressed? 🤣🤣🤣
spectator is vile. Only here because of Succession.
I never watched this series, a quick glance of the trailers told me all I needed to know: egotistical rich man calling the shots in a business empire with other the top dialogue - like a bad episode of 1980s Dallas, boring.
@Jamesgarethmorgan
Жыл бұрын
I bet you're fun at parties.
@jasonsutton4415
Жыл бұрын
@@Jamesgarethmorgan funny! I guess people who are fun at parties like rubbish tv?
@clayface563
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonsutton4415 but you.. never watched it
@jasonsutton4415
Жыл бұрын
@@clayface563 correct, I watch good tv.
@EmptyGlass99
Жыл бұрын
Judging 80 hours of TV by a 30 second clip. I trust your judgment.