Terrible question.

@matthewdubay1180

28 күн бұрын

Terrible clue? I thought the answer had to be formed into a question? Did they change the rules?

@joeym5243

27 күн бұрын

​@@matthewdubay1180stop trying to be cute and smart

@Unqualifiedtake

27 күн бұрын

Terrible answer

"Logarithms" were made obsolete by computers? Try telling that to like, any mathematician. Logarithm *tables* perhaps, but now we're well off the clue. Writers probably thought they were being clever but this is an abysmally written clue, especially for FJ and especially for Masters.

@kevinbhieey9188

27 күн бұрын

What do mathematicians use when they want to do the actual math? The science is mathematics still exists. Doing actual math? Come on!

@wenedsday

26 күн бұрын

Whoosh....

@nigh_anxiety

25 күн бұрын

All I can think of is it being a reference to using logarithms on a slide rule (as slide rules were made essentially obsolete), but logarithms are still used everywhere, even in computer science.

@music77309

24 күн бұрын

"In large part..." The main practical use of logarithms long ago was to use them (from tables as you mention) to find the product of large numbers without having to do the multiplication. (You add the logarithms of the numbers, then find the antilogarithm of the sum.) This was made obsolete by computers. I don't think the clue is as bad as some are suggesting. Just my 2 cents.

@kathrynstemler6331

3 күн бұрын

I’m just impressed you made ‘tables’ bold in the KZread comments.

My life is dedicated to computer science and that question was near impossible.

@matthewdubay1180

28 күн бұрын

I thought the final jeopardy was a clue, not a question? Did the rules get changed?

As a Scrabble player, I deal with anagrams all the time and I had no idea where this clue was going. That was brutally difficult.

Logarithms are NOT obsolete. Decibels are logarithmic, bacterial growth is logarithmic, the fundamental bit width of computer processors are derived by the log base two of the addressable accessible memory. I use logs every day ON A COMPUTER! This question needs to be deemed invalid and a do-over done for this final Jeopardy!

Terrible clue, and the reason I say this is because it's impossible to get the second word on its own and deduce the first word from there. The only way to do this clue is to get the first word and deduce the second word via anagram. (So it only goes one way, not both ways.) Plus, I'm sure plenty of people would disagree that the second word was made obsolete by computers anyway. Sure, the second word is not used in the same ways as it was prior to computers, but there are still plenty of applications.

How on earth could anyone figure that out in 30 seconds? We have three insanely smart people here who were all mystified by this poorly worded clue, so if they can't get it, nobody can. Also... aren't logarithms still very much a thing? I remember learning about them in high level math classes.

WTF? I have a Masters in Comp Sci, love word games, and am a recovering pendant, and that one still baffled me. After knowing the answer (or question, for you unrepentant pendants), I'm still not happy with it. Logarithms are also fundamental to computer science. We use them for many important operations, and we seek out algorithms with logarithmic complexity (there's a clue for you, writers!). Lookup tables aren't even obsolete yet; the books may have gone away, but even computers often use them to speed up the calculation of a log, even if it's being calculated directly on the chip using an assembly call. The writers were out of their league in this one.

@bloodgain

27 күн бұрын

*pedant/pedants Thanks, autocorrect. And no comment editing from mobile YT?! 😒

Dear heavens, that is an insane answer. On one hand wildly difficult in terms of anagrams, and on the other hand completely incorrect. Logarithms are largely obsolete now? Solving them by hand, maybe, but logarithms are still wonderfully useful. Unless we're saying all of math is obsolete now that we have computers. That's cold, Jeopardy.

@jonmarshall3064

27 күн бұрын

Right? If computers "made logarithms obsolete", imagine what they could do if you put them on a TV quiz show against two all-time champions.

When three Masters have no clue what the answer is, you know it’s a terrible question. Who thought this was a good FJ question??!?

I have a bachelor's in computer science, have been a developer for 20 years, and I came up with allocation and collation. I realize now, typing them out that they're not quite anagrams ("allocation" has an extra "a") but I think collation has been made more obsolete by computers than logarithms. The natural logarithm is a foundational principle of math, for pete's sake! I was thinking of "algorithms" for the first part but couldn't figure out what would have been made obsolete.

They should have said that having to look them up in tables printed in books was made obsolete by computers. The first part also didn't make sense since it seemed to be referring to a physical part of a computer.

I was laughing at the different comments Mattea made throughout the game! 😂

I thought of "abacus," and tried to think of an anagram of that to no avail. Even so, I think I was more on point than what the actual "correct" response was.

@kurtjohnson4816

27 күн бұрын

That's where I was headed as well.

Logarithms are NOT obsolete! They're still needed to solve exponential equations. Wrong clue.

@sureshmukhi2316

28 күн бұрын

First time I disliked a Jeopardy video.

Congratulations Mattea 🎉

I guessed it from getting algorithm for the first part and thinking of what word is an anagram of that. I did have to pause the show and think about it for a bit.

Yay for Mattea!! 👏🏻

To make this a gettable clue, they ought to have given the players some kind of head start - such as a list of the letters, or part of the words.

That's the type of question you need more than 30 seconds.

"If that makes sense"

@trombonedavid1

27 күн бұрын

Yeah, it sounded like even he was questioning the writers’ decision there.

Was Mattea short circuiting?!

I’m a computer programmer and guessed algorithm but had no idea what its anagram is.

This was the most intense game I've seen in Masters! All three players were dominant at one point in the game! I thought Amy was going to win her second game in a row!

I'm curious to know if Matt Amodio would have gotten this.

0:18🎵🎵🎵

I had a strong feeling that the former was algorithm but couldn't come up with an anagram of 'algorithm'.

I guess the key was If you could somehow guess "algorithm" for the first part, and then rearrange those letters to get "logarithm."

I got the first half (algorithms), but I couldn't figure out the second half.

I have finally realized I am old. I used to be able to answer about 75% of Final Jeopardy Questions , nnow I'm lucky to get 10%.

@nigh_anxiety

25 күн бұрын

This was just a terrible (and inaccurate) clue. No one should feel bad for not getting it.

A clue like this strengthens Rogesh's case against the show.

Rough question. Also, want more category posts. Twenty a night I'm sure posting one or two of those won't hurt the Final J crowd.

I got this Final Jeopardy! clue right.

James is likely in since only one of two women behind him can win since they are in the same game .

Bad question. I believe it now comes down to Amy and Mattea for the final spot in the semifinals and they play each other in the next game. Matt has been eliminated and Victoria, Yogesh and James all are guaranteed to be in the semifinals.

Binary and brainy lol

Wow, I didn't have a clue.

Thought "discreet" and "discrete", but no.

I did not watch the end for almost 2 weeks thinking I'd figure this out eventually (being a Csci/Electrical engineer). Gave up and then i watched... Who told them logarithms are obsolete? This makes no sense. Was this a chatgpt hallucination that sounded good to liberal arts majors making questions? (My best "made obsolete" was an abacus, but no anagram.)

bruh

History categories are popular with Final as they are not disputable, irrelevant, and vague…like this.

That was a terribly written clue. Logarithms are still alive and well, used all the time. They are not obsolete.

Yeah, logarithms are far from obsolete thanks to computers. Not... sure who wrote that clue. A better clue might have been "something being made easier with computers," because using computers allows for much quicker calculation of logs of numbers that aren't whole powers of a base.

But the name logarithm was coined as being an anagram of algorithm. Usually they do better than this, but that clue was ass-backwards.

Why is Ken Jennings referring to Mattea as "they" ? Did I miss something ?

It's already been revealed on the ABC press site that the final QF matchups are: James-Yogesh-Matt Victoria-Mattea-Amy So basically, unless James has the absolute worst game he possibly could have on Wednesday, his SF slot is pretty much fully secure regardless of what happens. That essentially leaves Amy and Mattea to duke it out for that critical final slot in the semifinals. Given that the tiebreaker is decided by correct responses and James is well ahead of both of them on that front, the only way one of them will for sure advance is with an outright win.

@davidcarlson6981

27 күн бұрын

Amy and Mattea are tied right now, so it is whomever finishes ahead of the other, even if they are 2nd & 3rd, one will get a match point and be ahead of the other... this is effectively a "play-in" game for them.

Spoiler below: Wow. Just when you thought her season might be over, Mattea stunned everyone by nailing every opportunity she had to win. Suddenly it’s a battle between the females for the final spot in the semifinals.

@Ineddiblehulk

28 күн бұрын

How do the semis work? How many make it through?

@thecreativegeek7886

28 күн бұрын

Gentle correction: Mattea’s pronouns are they/them

@NickTheEnlightened

28 күн бұрын

​@@Ineddiblehulk4. Matt's already out of the running, and it is the second match on Wednesday night that will decide who else won't make the cut. It is a critical game for both Amy and Mattea.

@judith_thordarson

28 күн бұрын

@@thecreativegeek7886 Her preferred pronouns are Her preferred pronouns.

@TitusWang375

28 күн бұрын

@@Ineddiblehulk After Wednesday’s episode, the top four contestants move on, and they play several games with the point totals reset. The person with the lowest total will be eliminated from the finals.

Thanks, Ken. It doesn't make sense.

@matthewdubay1180

28 күн бұрын

Does Ken write the clues?

@bearlh40

28 күн бұрын

@@matthewdubay1180 Ken Jennings: "...algorithm and logarithm, if that makes sense." Pay attention.

@matthewdubay1180

28 күн бұрын

It makes sense to me. What is your issue?

@bearlh40

27 күн бұрын

@@matthewdubay1180 That it was a bad clue with a bad answer that nobody knew. Keep up.

That final question was awful and you could make an argument for misleading. That's unfortunate

They? I'm pretty sure there was only once contestant guessing each answer.

@nigh_anxiety

25 күн бұрын

The singular they. Valid English for over 400 years.

one of the worst final jeopardies i’ve ever seen

Appalling. Ask any computer scientist worth their salt what O(n log(n)) means. They will know the answer because logarithms, like many parts of math, are critical to understanding computers and computer science. Hand computation of logarithms? Sure. But that’s not the clue. This is like saying addition or multiplication were made in large part obsolete by computers. If anything, use of the logarithm, and addition, and multiplication actually exploded as computers became widely available.

That is way too abstract.

The hostility coming off Yogesh is just gross

If I were Yogesh, I would not have done what he did. That wager was terrible. Also, I guess Mattea kind of deserved that win because she had the lead heading into Final. Don't forget about the Daily Doubles, too.

@jesspersephone

28 күн бұрын

I read an interesting comment on Reddit theorizing he went all in so if wrong it opened the door for Amy and Mattea to both get points and put James at risk of being knocked out. Based on the last quarter match ups tho it’s almost near impossible for that happening

@LaurasLastDitch

27 күн бұрын

He's in no matter what, so it would make sense for him to try to lose, as James is probably a bit better player than Amy or Mattea, and it would make it more likely Amy or Mattea would get into the next round instead of James.

What the actual hell? Horrible question

Nice answer. Poorly written question.

This was an awful clue. Shame.

What's with the "they" when 'HE' described Mateea's win!?!

@_artorical_

26 күн бұрын

These are called pronouns. See how much Jeopardy! teaches us!

Horrible answer/question.

Unbearable to hear him calling her, them, they it's like English is his second language just to please her.

@judith_thordarson

27 күн бұрын

Maybe she's there with her invisible friend...

@jackiehopson8334

26 күн бұрын

@judith_thordarson ahh ok or she has a mouse in her pocket... I stand corrected thank you Judith

@joenathan3377

26 күн бұрын

Why bother even trying to make sense of this her/they nonsense? Spare us please...