Excellent. All points on target. Personally, I found BVS to be an adult psychological thriller bordering on being a masterpiece of superhero cinema.

@The_Compilation_Channel

7 жыл бұрын

AJ Steele I highly agree! This movie is a MASTERPIECE! the movie theater literally stood and clapped when I went to see the movie.

Yes someone else who liked batman v superman and didn't like civil war

finally someone who actually talks about it, and not just rant for or against a movie... refreshing to know that there is still sane people on the internet

I absolutely love BvS. I personally think the movie really captures the human side of these characters and shows so many easter eggs here and there that references the comic lore. BvS (ultimate edition) is one of my top favourite movies of all time. That aside, I completely agree with your arguments regarding the expectations of this film and how audiences and critics had become so adjusted to the Marvel-formula that they completely ignored everything great about this movie and focused on what they didn't like and what was different. Either way, I hope and think that this movie is gonna get more recognition in the years to come, and hopefully people are going to enjoy it more

It's very rare to find a review that includes critical thinking and intelligence in it great job!

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

+Auron1Roxas2 Thanks man - I don't always get it right, but sometimes it all comes together well! :-)

DAWN OF JUSTCE: ULTIMATE CUT is one of the best graphic novel sequels ever. ☕😱

Excellent review I hope more people will realize how wonderful is this film... finally I will like to thank , Zack Snyder for this film Batman v Superman because he has bring what no one else have done get this two titans in the big scream.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

+Marco Antonio Thanks mate :-)

20 years from now people will appreciate what zack has done with MOS and BVS. Thanks for this great review.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

7 жыл бұрын

No worries at all!

@4touchdowns1game29

6 жыл бұрын

ahahahahahahahaha, this film was a garbage dump

@4touchdowns1game29

6 жыл бұрын

Go watch Inception. That's A good movie.

@jeromyperez5532

5 жыл бұрын

^Oof. Try to adjust your glasses without losing your fedora Mr. Edgelord.

@Grim2

5 жыл бұрын

One year later, most people still hate it. 19 more to go.

Excellent points. BvS and MOS are highly rewatchable films with a ton of Easter eggs that comic readers will get. Death in the family reference made me smile. A lot of dialogue and scenes came from the Dark Knight Returns. I remember reading both graphic novels in the 80s.

@claudiushenry8879

6 жыл бұрын

Some of the comic book Superman stories are dark. People forget the Death of Superman storyline. The problem is that people won’t let go of the Donner era and move on.

What i like about the trinity is that batman is everyday mankind, and superman is powerful mankind and wonderwoman is the one whove seen and experienced mankinds history. Thats what ive always seen like it, so BvS hit the spot in that regard for me.

I thought I got everything out the Martha scene, especially how Batman is in the same physical position as the killer and Superman is in the same position as his dad. Batman was literally becoming his parents killer. the fact you pointed out Thomas Waynes rushing in is another element. Snyder does this a lot. It makes sense since not many know he was a painter before a director Excellent review. This is how I felt about the movie as well. It's not perfect, but it doesn't deserve the herd mentality of panning critics

I have to say that watching this entire analysis really put me at ease. I’ve been struggling to explain to the retarded half of the internet why BVS was so amazing and ahead of its time. Now i can simply share your video and its done for me. U even brought up great points on lex’s character revealing himself in the end. I saw a lex with napoleon complex who could not stand to see superman coexisting in his world. But your breakdown really gives his already amazing performance, more gravitas. Bravo sir and thank you

Great review thank you, I agreed with most (ok, all) of your points . BVS was my favorite movie this year, it is truly a masterpiece in many ways and I don't understand the unreasonable hate for it. Thanks for defending it.

you hit the nail on the head regarding the expectations.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

+John F Cheers mate :-)

I'm a little late to the party but THANK YOU for your review. The main issue with BvS is that it was made by and for fans of these characters. Superman fans may argue that point & I get that. But this is the best batman we've seen. By a lot. I say it's for fans because the friend I saw BvS with literally didn't get what was happening. Didn't know things like that joker had killed robin. Didn't know that was a Robin suit!! With stuff like that going over people's heads, I can see the confusion. Esp in terms of Batman's POV. This is a guy who has lost faith in his mission, had lost all his allies and was facing the possibility that everything he had fought for was pointless in light of the 'Superman'. Looking at it with that in mind, it's quite powerful when he says "I failed him in life. I won't fail him in death."

@johnsourvelis2415

5 жыл бұрын

@DejaVoodooDoll batman has always had mental problems, snydersupes never hated saving people in the movies he does it all the time, learn your facts

@johnsourvelis2415

5 жыл бұрын

@DejaVoodooDoll yeah it actually did, he had said so himself, he wants to kill his enemies, he likes the idea but hes afraid of doing it because he doesnt want to slip up and for many other reasons, the movie explores that idea of a broken batman and how he regains back hope and becomes himself again, there is a whole scene for that

@Sebster85

3 жыл бұрын

@DejaVoodooDoll Too bad idiots like yourself are incapable of following a simply plot.

Very good and logical response to the unfair criticisms. I think most of them (criticisms) came from a lack of understanding of the movie, preconceived ideas or just bias against it. I really agree with your view on Superman, it's unfortunate some people can't see past the campy boy scout image created by the old movies and realize it's outdated. Personally, I love this new, serious take on Superman from MoS and BvS. It's a compelling portrayal that takes inspiration from modern comic books.

great in-depth breakdown! after watching it a couple of times, i came to all of these conclusions as well! the movie in my opinion is fantastic. cant wait for the ultimate cut.

Good video, but I think you omitted something very important when you addressed the complaint about "Batman using guns and killing people". The only WB live action movie when Batman didn't kill anyone was Batman & Robin. Otherwise, Batman has always been killing people in the movies. He even used machine guns to kill some of the Joker's goons in Batman 1989 and killed Talia al Ghul and her truck driver in The Dark Knight Rises Now forgive me for this long post, but I need to get this off my chest: I think it's incredibly unfair that the DCEU versions of Superman and Batman get criticised for killing villains, when Christopher Nolan's Batman is guilty of doing the same thing (hell, Tim Burton used to be condemned for doing the same thing too), and the Marvel Cinematic Universe as well. But if anything, Nolan should be regarded worse because throughout the trilogy, his Batman repeatedly says he doesn't kill people, but ends up doing it anyway. In Batman Begins, Bruce refuses to execute somebody because "it separates us from them" and "I'm not an executioner"...but then soon after, he causes the temple to explode which kills the fake Ra's al Ghul and who knows how many more other ninjas (for all we know, the guy who Bruce didn't want to kill might not have survived either). And then in the end, he sets up the real Ra's al Ghul to die inside a doomed train. In The Dark Knight, Batman suddenly upholds his moral code against the Joker - a far more deadly and sinister threat than Ra's - but then he kills Two-Face to save Gordon's son. Fans will say "but Batman didn't MEAN to kill Two-Face" and I say "Maybe, but Superman didn't exactly mean to kill Zod in Man of Steel but that didn't stop people from deriding as a 'Man of Murder'". Some people even believe that Batman more than likely killed a couple of Joker goons when he rammed the Tumbler against a truck during the chase scene. In The Dark Knight Rises, Batman tells Catwoman "no guns, no killing", but as I said before, he ends the film by firing machine guns at Talia's truck, which ends up killing her and her truck driver. Before that, Catwoman even points out that Batman's gun policy was ineffective, after she used HIS machine-gun wielding Batpod to save him from Bane. And to make matters worse in TDKR, when Talia confronts Batman and blames him for killing her father, Bruce justifies it by saying "he was trying to kill millions of innocent people". The Nolans went on record acknowledging that Batman does break his rule in the official TDK Screenplays book: "Jonathan Nolan: He has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film? Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in... Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two" And Chrstopher Nolan said this: "I didn’t know Batman didn’t kill people when I signed on for the project. It was David [Goyer] who broke that news. And I was like, 'How do you make that work?' I said to the MPAA on The Dark Knight: 'Do you have any idea how hard it is to make a contemporary action film where the protagonist doesn’t carry a gun? Doesn’t kill people?'" Source: books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei Okay then, so why the hell didn't Batman kill the Joker in TDK? If the point is Batman can't afford to adopt a moral code and must cross that line to stop mass-murderers, then how come this was never explored in the films? How come he never showed any remorse for having to break his rule, nor show it having any affect of his character arc? Worse, what was the point of having a so-called "moral conflict" against the Joker, when really it accomplished nothing but putting Gotham in harm's way? Hell, I saw people were looking any excuse to condemn Zack Snyder whenever he quoted something in every interview following BvS's release. If Snyder made a film where Batman broke his moral code, and acknowledged he does break it like Jonathan Nolan did, the hatred for him would've increased ten-fold to the point he'd start getting death threats. Honestly, I think Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice made the most sense when explaining why Batman kills. He was unable to prevent tragedy happening all the time in his life. From witnessing the murders of his parents, to losing allies such as Robin along the way, and his crimefighting heroics haven't made Gotham City any safer. And of course, how helpless he felt when he saw Metropolis crumbling in front of his very own eyes. Hell, the movie spells it out for you when Alfred talks about how powerlessness turns good men cruel. Even Bruce rationalises his skepticism of Superman based on his bitter disappointment of good people not "staying that way", as he said to Alfred. Now we may not know which good people Bruce is exactly talking about, but it is heavily implied that there were former allies who became corrupted. It wouldn't surprise me if he was talking about somebody like Two-Face or even Mr Freeze. Bruce definitely became cruel, and fell in the same trap as people like Wallace Keefe who became cynical and jaded against a violent world, and wrongfully used his energy against Superman. Which makes his path towards redemption in the last half hour and leading up to Justice League even more important. Some may not like this idea to begin with, but at least this Batman wasn't hypocritical when it came to the subject of using lethal force like Bale was (and for that matter, even Keaton was guilty of this in Batman Returns, when he was trying to talk Catwoman out from taking revenge at Max Schreck). People can say anything they want about Batman v Superman, but this whole fuss about Batman killing is absolute rubbish and hypocritical. If you're going to condemn Zack Snyder's movies for the heroes having blood on their hands, you might as well condemn every superhero film then. Including Nolan, Burton and yes, the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

7 жыл бұрын

Excellent point there!

@davidrizzuto5636

7 жыл бұрын

+Left Foot Media Thanks Brendan. There's one more myth I'd like to debunk. Contrary to popular belief, not only has Batman killed people during the first couple of years in the comics back in 1939 and the early 40s, he even used lethal force many times during the 70s and 80s. Even as recent as the 90s, where he shot a maniac to death with a pistol at one stage (unless you count Frank Miller's All-Star run back in the last decade, which is more or less a parody). Check out the link below containing a collection of many examples over the years. Source: www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1406.0 All examples have shown that criminals have died because of Batman, both as a direct and indirect consequence of his actions. Now while it's true that comics nowadays tend to show Batman adopting a strict moral code, it's completely false that Batman killing villains is a bastardisation of the character. This doesn't mean people must like it, but it should be understood that historically, Batman hasn't always been faithful to his moral principles as many would like to believe.

@paulwence648

6 жыл бұрын

I agree for the most part, but I think the issue hasn't been quite so simple. I don't have a problem with Batman killing people...when it's necessary. If a 'bad guy' is holding a gun to someone's head, lethal force might be necessary, and in order to save that hostage's life, you have to weigh the situation. As much as you'd like to save both, the innocent has the priority for life. If it's a couple of unarmed henchmen on a rooftop, and you know you can handle them without needing lethal force, you just give them mild brain damage. BVS had Batman killing people who could have been incapacitated, and we didn't see any sort of progression, he was just cynical because the writers said so, and he's a Metropolis Alien truther, he doesn't buy into conspiracy theories. Returns also had some possibly unnecessary killing I think, but several blocks were under attack, so I sort of forgive the time saving measure. Besides, the dude can't even turn his head.

When I first saw it in cinema, I was a little bit confused but I loved it. But when I watched the Ultimate edition, it was so much better and there was so much more to appreciate. They shown the human side of these heroes. I was a Batman fanatic and never really cared much about Clark and Superman but in BvS, was literally in tears when superman was talking to Lois before his sacrifice. The movie is a masterpiece.

Enjoyed this chief. Have you ever seen Man of Steel Answers? Check it out - some beautifully deep cut analysis of both films. And there is an episode on Lex in BvS which is absolutely on point, and is really well thought out and makes so much sense, and is backed up by the film. I didn't ever see Lex as wanting to rule the world - I saw him as a person that absolutely could not reconcile the idea of a godlike figure being a good man. It was not possible, at all. He had to prove that this God was human and dirty and awful, just like all of us.

@kaharismith-brewer3800

8 жыл бұрын

I can't find that video. What is the video called?

@fawbish8773

8 жыл бұрын

+Kahari Smith-Brewer www.manofsteelanswers.com/42-understanding-lex-luthor/ There are a ton of episodes.

If some people want to go into a film with preconceived bias, then that's on them. They're their own person and can choose whichever way they want to view a film. However, this should not interfere with another person's enjoyment of that said film. Great video, BTW. Way more informative and more thought out than the usual.

BvS is not only my favorite DCEU film it's also by far my most favorite comic book movie of all time, Batfleck in this movie was absolutely phenomenal as this Darker, Grittier, More Malicious Batman and his take on Bruce Wayne who is older, wiser, and more vulnerable, and as a man who through over 20+ years in Gotham has seen Good guys die and Bad guys Rise, but not only that but this version of Batman has literally won many battles throughout his fights in Gotham through nothing but sheer will, his mind, and pure determination, and it's during that Black Zero Event where Bruce rushes to Gotham trying to save his loved ones, colleagues, and close Friends, and it's when Superman shows up that things go haywire and Bruce's probably $50 Billion dollar business is destroyed with loved ones in it and this is where Bruce's rage and hatred towards Superman begins to elevate to the point where he has to resort to killing his enemies in order to be feared throughout Gotham, and Bruce's unbridled Rage escalates to a point where he's not himself and he's becoming the very thing he's set out to fight against. And also keep in mind that the Story is not saying it's Ok that Batman should kill because throughout the movie you see Alfred who is Bruce's only family left try and tell him that what he's doing is wrong and that he needs to stop, but he can't because Bruce is so stubborn and so hot headed that it's either his way or the highway and Alfred can't take anymore of his shit and doesn't assist him in his mission to kill Superman. And speaking of Superman, Henry Cavills version of the Man Of Steel is easily my most favorite interpretation of the character and Zack portrays this Kal-El as a guy who is trying to find his way in the world, as a guy whose trying to do the right but find out that there are consequences in real life that come with doing the right thing like blind hatred from Batman and the Press, and the overall perspective of Superman as a God who rules over humans, that's how Superman want's things to go and Clark has stated many times that he doesn't want to be worshiped, he doesn't want to be a Tyrant, all Superman is is a guy whose trying to do the right thing and by making Superman more relatable as a human as someone who get's hurt, makes mistakes, get's confused, and a guy who has flaws but still manages to find the way to win is something very special that i'm not sure will ever be topped or done well again by any director other than the main man himself Zack Snyder. And it all comes to the point where Superman is forced to fight Batman by Lex to save his mother, and when Superman he tries to negotiate with Bruce and try and settle things nicely but Batman is not up for negotiation and what he's focused on is to kill Superman and it's at the point where Clark has to fight Bruce with his fist because as it's stated early in the film "A man like that words don't stop, you know what stops him...a fist!" and when it comes down to the Martha scene where Batman has his Kryptonite spear ready to stab him but doesn't because after 5 months of obsessing over killing this "Alien" "This God", Batman finally realizes that he's been fighting the wrong fight and decides at the last moment to not kill Superman out of his Moral Code not to kill and after recognizing that Superman is a person with a human mother named "MARTHA" Bruce finally realizes that he's been manipulated this whole time and that Superman is not a "God", not an "Alien", but a Good Person and it's at this point where even though Batman kills most people in the Warehouse fight scene(which is without a doubt The Greatest Batman Fight Scene Ever Filmed On The Silver Screen) Bruce is fighting for a different reason and that he's not fighting out of Anger or Bloodlust, but he's fighting for Justice and Redemption(Justice for being Batman and Redemption for the death of his mother Martha). And the from their on Lex creates Doomsday out of his own blood, Wonder Woman returns to fight for the human race, and the DC Trinity team up and take down Doomsday for the fate of humanity as we know it. Which leads us to The Death of Superman, which to honest should've came later in the DCEU but i still really loved that Superman had chosen to risk his life to save all of humanity that has hated him for being a "False God" and before he sacrifices himself to kill Doomsday he says "This is my World, You Are My World" and whether he's gone for 5 minutes, 5 days, 5 weeks, or 5 years, he still risked his life to save all of humanity and if that's not Superman i don't know what the HELL a Superman is!? #BvS #ReleaseTheSnyderCut #BringHenryCavillBackAsSuperman #Batfleck

Very enjoyable breakdown of a truly epic movie no matter the genre. I'm glad you brought up the fact that everything MOS/BVS detractors say they want in a superhero movie would just be a rehash of what's come before. I grew up with the Reeve movies and went to college with the Burton ones so I as a fan of movies and comic books want to be challenged with different themes instead of just a rehashing of dated references to movies people only say they love.

Also in the Martha moment Batman could've also realized that in what superman was seeing as his last moment alive that he was begging for the life of someone other than himself.

People who say "Jesse played a good Joker, Riddler, Whatever" are absoluty fucking stupid. Zack Snyder and Chris Terior created this Lex Luthor CHaracter for this movie, and he tolled Jesse to play THIS LEX LUTHOR. So forget the shit from the comics, and acept THIS LEX LUTHOR. And Jesse played him perfectly, on a Heath Ledger Joker level of perfect. Thats why Zack Snyder got Jesse for the job, because they knew, and Jesse also knew, that Jesse can play THIS CHARACTER. Thats exactly his style.

@The_Compilation_Channel

7 жыл бұрын

EpicVideo in my opinion I think lex was wacky for # 1 he is a genius, with knowledge of the universe. In history even the smartest people like Einstein were genius but down right crazy at times, same concept.

@luminaorchis4376

6 жыл бұрын

EpicVideo Eisenberg’s Lex is probably the best superhero movie villain we’ve ever seen. Not only does he bring Superman to his knees without lifting a finger or using any Kryptonite- but he successfully manipulates Batman into killing Superman (which would’ve happened had Lois not intervened in time). They had to adapt this iteration of Lex. He’s not only going up against Superman as usual- but they required an incarnation that could take on both Superman and Batman. .

Hi there. Just a quick note to express appreciation for your effort in putting this video together, which echoes my sentiments to a large degree. Thank you.

Love your video! To add to Lex's motivation here are my thoughts: Throughout the movie he's always talking about "god vs man", how it's his personal belief that if god is all good he can't be all powerful & if god is all powerful he can't be all good. He said he developed this belief because essentially there was no miracle, god, or superman to save him from his father's abuse growing up. Because superman is god-like & so powerful & also a good person, his very existence conflicts with Lex's belief. Lex is an angry, abused child who is taking out all of his hatred of god for not saving him from his dad on superman because he's god-like. Lex tells superman that he wants to show people that their good & powerful superman god is imperfect, corruptible, and doesn't contradict his concept of God. Lex's classic arrogance shines here.

Thanks for this video essay. I watched Batman vs Superman two years ago. It made me reappraise my initial view of the movie. It may not be a masterpiece but I think it is far from the train wreck the critics made it out to be.

I really enjoyed this review. You gave detailed explanations of your opinions and provided a good counterpoint to the very negative reviews by the movie critics. Btw I also really liked Pacific Rim.

I agree a lot with what you said in terms of tone and the characters of Batman and Superman. I, personally, felt the theatrical version was too choppy. The Director's Cut cleared up a whole lot and i wish that version had been released in theaters, save for a couple of superfluous scenes. Doomsday didn't bother me other than the way he looked. I don't critique visuals a lot, but I thought he did not look good at all. I understood Luthor, but didn't care for the portrayal as much. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. If I may, in regards to Batman, I felt he needed to be the way he was in this film. We needed to believe that he would kill Superman and if we are given something like a Batman from the Nolan series, it wouldn't work. He needed to be angry and unstable and less in touch with his morals, so that when the "pivotal scene" occurs, he can be snapped back.

@MrMcBlamEntertainment

7 жыл бұрын

You do make some good points about Luthor though in terms of his performance. His performance just rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe that was the intent?

@LeftFootMediaNZ

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, excellent call about Batman.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think there was two ways that he could have portrayed him in this movie, and he opted for the Heath Ledger style intensity and craziness to try and show how dysfunctional this character really is. That's obviously not going to resonate with everyone, and I admit, on my first viewing it was a bit jarring in the early scenes, but later in the film and on subsequent viewings (especially the far superior Ultimate Edition) it really started to make sense to me and come across as much better than I had first perceived it to be at a passing glance.

Great job bud. Never knew you reviewed this one.. It's OK, people will be talking about this and MoS for a LONG time.. I have both on BluRay, BvS in UE, along with WW.. MoS and BvS are both contemporary classic materpieces but--->(It end's there for me with WW, what, with Ayers Marvel style attempt at SS, and the mutated JL?). And I watch them in turn near weekly, just as with 1/wk of the Nolan trilogy. As important as their mother's name was to the story (hey, they've had the same name since the beginning, is this the 1st time a lore aspect lend's itself perfectly for use to a specific plot point?.. Why not exploite a great oppurtunity for a great idea?) and all arguments you made stand, in addition, it wasn't even "Martha" that stopped Bruce, instead enraging and confusing him further------->It was (oh, just the glued in) Lois' "It's his MOTHER's name!!.. M-Martha Kent is his MOTHER" (What all of the sneerers wanted to hear, all along anyway).. A grown SUPERman----->"Save.. M-My... M-M-Mommy". Are they serious? They never call their parents by name, just for how beautiful it sounds (or just to tease.. ha.. at dissin' them)?.. What's Supe's call his father, again?.. Oh yes, Pa KENT, huh?.. Call 911 to report a missing person?.. What's the 1st thing they ask you?.. And then "what is your relationship with this person"? And how many time's did Lex repeat "Martha, MArtha..etc" on the rooftop (psychological priming) while showing pictures of a GAGGED Marhta.. But Kal's supposed to "super"hear where she is located, huh? "Alfred.. set ALL scanners on full for MOTHER".. "Yes sir.. ehr.. how many do you estimate inhabiting Gotham Master Bruce?" Just that warehouse mercenary obliteration scene was worth it's weight in gold.. compare that fluid llifelike choreography to ANYthing Marvel's done, even to DC's own final fight with Bane outside townhall, with the blows breaking stone pillars. And some actually believe there exist's somebodies who'd be able to down a whole co. of thugs without "KILLING" at least 1?.. And STILL save Martha?.. I think we all know how most recon missions end up.. usually the exact opposite.. "But batman didn't REALLY learn his lesson and develop, his character remaining the same even after snapping out of IT".. Holy smoking gun Batman. Agreed, Jessie had the the hardest role of all.. to bring a unique, new and updated yet just as authentic take on one of the smartest men in the world.. so smart that he's all alone and lonely in his level's intelligence.. And Supes DOES reject him. Don't sweat it, the anime fight also timed in at about the same 7? or so min, and TDKR comic's fight is app 6 1/2? pages long (I counted all of them but forget the exact figures).. And (not counting integral to the plot WW) how SO much time did those other 3 cameos subtract from a full 2 1/2hr movie?.. app a WHOLE 5min?, not count counting Bruces desert dream, for IT WAS EXACTLY THAT THEME OF VERSUS WHICH THE WHOLE FILM REVOLVED AROUND. Those attentive enough saw Supes look toward the wheelchair (Twice wasn't it?) and we know of that paricular weakness.. and furthermore just hearing the black woman perjure herself in court should have signaled that not even the Feds were yet aware that the desert massacre was by gunfire.. We didn't really need to be "shown" as in the UltEd the burning and slug removal nor the leadlined chair.. (Not that it's not even BETTER to have it). One could go on and on and on and etc.. I feel bad about having to say it for the 1st time, but there really was SO much going on plot wise in this film (I truly FULLY caught on after the 2nd viewing) that what has been so frequently repeated, and taken immediate offense to, about some people TRULY not understanding it all----->is in FACT the actually case.. at least about + -1/3 of the audience, because of the RotTom/imbd/Metacric 63%/66%/70% AUDIENCE approval ratings, respectlvely.. No offense intended, just watch it again and pay more attention. Thank's again for review and explanations.

@chickenpermissiontheshaved75

5 жыл бұрын

Epic rant my guy. I agree with all you said.

@georgebarrett2132

5 жыл бұрын

@@chickenpermissiontheshaved75 Thank's Chic.. I had to view it 3 time (theatrical cut), but paying attention make's all of the difference.. Truth will always prevail.. This maybe before you time but.. Just look at through the ages misconstured critics rating for the original "Lector" film, 1986's "Manhunter", which was then critic panned to death, but now aftertime bring's wisdom and reconsideration, the RotTom critics hold it at 94% (The Brits hold it as the holy Lector grail). Damn, Mann should rehire Ian Hammer to do an actual original score, as he did for Mann's "Miami Vice" series, and if they'd work out the inevitable flaws of the finale's act incurred from desperation due to worn out assistants (again, due to Mann's insistance on perfectionism), this film would rank in top 10. Mann's '86 "Manhunter" is now 2nd in ratings only to "Silence Of The Lambs" in that franchise, what, with so much prototypical cinematography and never before seen new camera angle usage and colour coded personalities shots incorporated, just to keep it short.. and it's an on going debate as to who represent's a truer to real life functional sociopath depiction, Hopkin's with his eccentric, though indubitably attractive persona, or Brian Cox's down to Earth no nosense realism.. I have no doubt that MoS and BvS will in time follow and garner that same similar crirical awakening and new found respect.

I'm playing a lot of catch up on reviews because of so much of he negativity they contained so I know I'm late here. I have a questions though; based on some comments made on other threads it seems like the movie played better in theaters outside the US as far as reviews go. Would you find this to be a true statement?

@eggsbenedictcucumberbatch4336

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Schinke yes I know your statement isn't directed at me but I read a review from a critic who said that his colleagues have something against Zack Snyder and they don't think he is capable of making a smart movie. So there is this kind of snobbishness from US critics in regards to Snyder "sort of like stop trying to make Snyder happen he's not going to happen" thing. Hopefully in future people will regard his films more highly.

Ok, the whole Martha thing. Here's my take on it: Batman is in a psychotic rage and is about to kill, what he see as a major threat to mankind. When Superman says "Martha", it snaps him out of his psychosis enough to ask him why did he say that name. Lois Lane enters the picture, and Batman realizes that Superman has a girlfriend and a mother, so he's not entirely "Alien", as he has a family. Batman was born because his family was taken away from him, and now he was about to do the same thing. That's why he has the horrified expression on his face and throws away the Kryptonite spear. Why SO MANY people don't get that, beggars belief.

@FHTV19

5 жыл бұрын

Not many people know how think beyond the surface

That’s an excellent review, thank you. I enjoyed the original length version more than the critics but when I saw the ultimate edition it really came to life.

Honestly, my biggest gripe about this movie was the Amazon Ex Machina. It needed more Wonder Woman, but this movie's called Batman v Superman, so they held her in reserve. That's not my problem, nor the use of Lethal Force (They establish this is post Killing Joke/A Death in the Family.) My problem is that Batman is trapped by a Seatbelt. He can anticipate well enough to dodge heat vision, by swinging from building to building. His only superpower is leaving the bat-cave with everything he's going to need for the night tucked into his Utility Belt. You're telling me that the goddamned Batman doesn't have anything in the wreckage of the batwing to cut a seatbelt? He doesn't have anything built into his Gauntlets that might be handy in this situation? It isn't as if he's a literal ninja with bat shaped shiriken falling from him when shaken by the ankles. No, he's almost killed because he didn't think to install an ejection seat, or something. Well, that, and give the Amazon the fucking spear. She's got an Aspis FFS, she just soloed Doomsday for a couple solid minutes while Clark had a heart to heart with his girlfriend. Nobody would have died if they'd just given the Amazon the fucking spear.

@Psiberzerker

3 жыл бұрын

It was a pretty good movie up until the 4th act. It didn't need a 4th act. They could have set up Wonder Woman by having her run into the blast radius, and empathizing Batman back out of Bruce Wayne. That's why this is the Bat that Kills: He's planning to kill Superman. He's not going to batcuff him, and leave him on Commissioner Gordon's doorstep. It had to be The Bat that Kills, or the boss-fight would never have happened. Let alone that fantastic Warehouse scene.

You could make a review about BVS ultimate edition

It's been a real carnival of opinion on this one, but to my mind you've presented a perfect analysis of the film and the unusual reaction it received. For sure, people will look back and wonder why it got slammed so hard, as some of us do now. It's a shame that the critics did appear to affect the box office quite a bit as a lot of people stayed away. I suspect the Blu-ray/DVD reviews will be more favourable (like a Bizarro 'Titanic'), and in time it's reputation will grow. I just hope they stay on course for the following films and don't turn them into bright and breezy quip fests. Conforming to some people's limited view of what comic book/superhero films can be would be the death of DC films. Thanks for the excellent, rational and comprehensive video.

I think it was fine being called BvS ..because dawn of justice was in the title ..... and as far as cameos and other DC characters , well ,it's that universe..just like Lord of the rings had characters from that lore...they are called supporting characters...

Lex's motivation was clear in BvS, he has personal issues with someone with godlike powers, in this case Superman, he tells him he was praying for god to get help as child but he didnt respond or anything so in Lex's mind Superman is the embodiment of God (in Lex's mind) and blames him (god) for what happpened to him as a child. Even Superman tried to snap it out of him verbally but this Lex Luthor is psycologically damaged, immature and powerhungry. Its like a person who dosnt like a nice guy because he thinks he's fake. The way he tells Superman about hes childhood and how his father was indicates his childhood has abuse issues

What I loved about this movie, is even though I didn't particularly like Jesse Eisenburg's portrayal of Lex Luthor (like most people, I wanted the Lex Luthor from the comics), I understood his motivations and his machinations. He wants the Kryptonite, so that he has the means to kill Superman. Batman steals the Kryptonite, and so Plan B comes into play, which is creating Doomsday. He coerces Superman in killing Batman (revenge for screwing with him), then when that's done (in his mind, of course Supes will do it, because Lex is deranged) he can unleash Doomsday and kill Superman. He really didn't think much beyond that, because if his plan had worked, then who kills Doomsday? So, you can see that he's very clever, but that he's also a deranged lunatic, wearing a mask of civility. Lex was creepy and menacing when he needed to be, but I think I would have preferred a cool, calm, level headed Lex, who can plan your demise with a wry smile, while keeping his hands clean. As soon as Lex shoved Lois off that building, he was never going to get away with any of his plan. A big mistake, and one that the real Lex Luthor would not have made.

Excellent response to the many hasty criticisms this movie received. I was a bit saddened that such a great layered story received the hate and negativity this film did. I'm worried that the story telling in the future films may be overly simplified in order to make them more appealing to the critics.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

+Maximum Effort Good call - I think that there are already too many films that are formulaic, it would be a disaster to think that this formula could come to include 'pleasing the critics'. The one hope I have is that the Internet - which allows for LOTS of different opinions, and lay critics to have their say, should help prevent that.

All the critics nowdays are just manchildren that think they know movies only because they went to film school. And they act all professional about it. They think there opinions is fact. Just because Marvel makes movies in there own way they think everyone should do the same.

Agree completely with you.

It's amazing to me that you described that Lex in this movie has believe that he has a "birthright" to power because of how knowledgeable is because this characterization of Lex is straight from Superman BIRTHRIGHT from the comics! #RestoreTheSynderVerse

I don't understand the majority of the criticisms for this movie like Lex Luthor's motivations are poorly explained they couldn't be more clearly explained if they stopped the movie so he could give us a PowerPoint presentation

Father Mike Schmitz gives his lowdown on the movie - kzread.info/dash/bejne/enabo6-vZc7WlsY.html

Even just take out the kid from Superman Returns, it could have worked.

Wow, this man gets it! Very eloquently put many of my same thoughts into words. And before even seeing the Ultimate edition lol. Great video!

Spot on review.

The extended Director's Cut of BvS is much better than the theatrical release. Reminiscent of the R-rated Director's Cut of Daredevil, which was so much better than the short, unliked theatrical version.

This is a good watch... smart argumentation against criticism

Great responses.

great review!

@LeftFootMediaNZ

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

If you aren’t a Batman or Superman then you’ll love this movie If you are then you hate his movie

Thank you! a measured and sound response to this movie

'Batman doesn't kill people'. Except the first comic he appears in. And the second. And the third... etc, for pretty much every issue of the first few years of being in Detective Comics. In one it's even hinted he dropped a burning zeppelin on a crowd of hundreds. Oh sorry, did the critics mean only in live action? Well there was all the guys he killed in Tim Burton's Batman, including the Joker himself. Oh and Batman Returns, such as the guy he straps a bomb to. Oh, and Two Face in Batman Forever, despite specifically stating Batman 'doesn't kill' cos apparently The Joker doesn't count. Is it only Batman & Robin onwards where that is a rule? I don't particularly record a henchman getting killed off, though it's been a fair few years since I saw that p.o.s. Did Bane die in that, or was he assumed to survive? Oh, except when putting Ras Al Ghul into a situation where he will definitely die, cos that doesn't count. Or Killing Two Face in Dark Knight. And I'm sure the guys in that blown up captured batmobile survived to the end of Dark Knight Rises... Man, I've always hated that dumb argument!

@FHTV19

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the argument is dumb

Several movies taught me to not have too much expectations when watching the movie, one of those was Dragonball Evolution lol. MoS was great i felt in love with it, one the my favorit movies now and BvS its gonna join when its released in bluray, definitely gonna buy Ultimate edition. Btw, about that now that most superheroes movies are based from Marvel i noticed many not so comic book folllowing young people tend to bring up batman or superman into Marvel movies and visaversa, i heard one teenager saying cool cus batman is in Civil War lmao, Black Panther. My son likes marvel and hes favorit is Capt A, but when he saw MoS Superman became his favorite with Capt A following with Batman and IRon, the joy of bringing them together as toys is fun and he is looking forward to see these new movies.

Marvel is soft paper tissue movies! DC really make one deal with a real reaction to geo-political realties of today's world to a superman and a real life batman. Even if you are good, half the country and the world is not going to like you. Marvel is loved because they help people escape reality, and DC smacks reality in your face. In real life, the world will not respond to the Hulk, Thor, and the rest of the Avengers with glee and happiness. They will respond like Batman V. Superman shows, like our political system, people are going to love or hate when one yield's power. For instance, half the people hate the cops in this country, and the other half love the cops. Half America thinks Obama is great and the other half can't wait to get rid of him. Super heroes in the DC world are not going to be looked at universally as something good by mankind. When some people go to the theater they cannot stand that the politics in the world are thrown back at them in he likes of Superman and Batman. On the other hand, Marvel lets you escape. The Avengers were perfect in the heroes everybody loves come to the rescue an everybody accepts. They love the first 2 Superman movies of the 70s because nobody mind an Alien was their savior. Today that looks silly and too simplistic.

@disneyerapowerrangers2923

6 жыл бұрын

people can still like them.

@DarthTingleBinks

3 жыл бұрын

So I'd like to mention, that Hulk has typically always had a bad reception to the rest of the world. In both Hulk movies, INCLUDING his MCU film, that's what happens. It's only after the second Avengers movie that he becomes more like how the other characters were portrayed. Hell, the Captain America movies are perfect in terms of how he's been received by the public. And in Iron Man 2, there a meeting in which the government was attempting to get Tony to stop being Iron Man and stop building these suits, or weapons, because other countries were trying to copy it, and they could be dangerous in wars. And then he showed that they weren't on track. And after Whiplash came on the scene, he thought that maybe his tech isn't the best thing.

Great review! you have a new suscriptor

the usual argument is this movie sucks and civil war is amazing and if you think this movie is good and civil war is bad youre just a stupid dc fan. Call me crazy this film had WAY more intriguing character developement, more tension ( minus the doomsday section which made the plot feel dragged out) and actually had some real emotional moments. Im so sick of the martha thing being touted as something so stupid when if you PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUCKING MOVIE IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE WHY BATMAN WOULD HESITATE. At first Batman thinks its a trick which is why hes still angry, then lois explains that supes is begging him to save his mothers life, not spare his own, but save his mothers. Then batman is hit that superman for all cases is actually...human and that batman is becoming the very thing he had fought for so many years.

Pacific Rim is AWESOME! Could you please give a non-spoiler review for Uprising so I can decide if I want to see it? I don't want it to break my heart.

Hheheh "Didpool" love your accent, is it irish or boston accent? Anywise I whole heartedly agree, this vid needs more views. Kudos!!

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

New Zealand accent mate - from Middle Earth :-)

for every point here that I wholeheartedly agree with on,. you make point after point about Civl War I shake my head because it's so off.

@ClassicPhilosophyFTW

8 жыл бұрын

I know right? How can someone be so articulate and so right on one subject but so superficial and so wrong on another? It's utterly baffling.

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

I guess that's the subjectivity of movie criticism in action - we're all seeing different movies in different ways.

interesting to see a in defense video such this for this movie i saw it twice and wile i never hate the movie, i just totally know that cannot be compared to it's original scripts from the graphic novels or the DOOMSDAY comic but with all it's flaws i still see values out of it for what it was still since you brought it up i love tim burton's BATMAN RETURNS billions of time better is a much more memorable yet gothic movie

Your right, I certainly found more appreciation for the film later.

I don't know if you will ever see this comment, but I think you might have to reupload this video, because (for me), it never loads. Even though every other video does.

This is awesome. He makes all the haters look like fools!

Man I love you. You know how to make all the right calls.😆

the thing is a lot of it still wouldn't make sense. you touch upon Lex Luthor gaining access to Zod's ship, that is a headache all of it's own. after all I thought the Krytonians were an advanced people but given how that ship obviously had crap security that idea is thrown out. you talk about how cramming the movie full of all those plot points aren't bad but it puts none of the plot points into focus. you say the "Martha" scene isn't that bad but it has literally no redeeming feature (for instance why would Thomas Wayne act like that? there's NO reason to call out her name when the only one who would hear it is his son Bruce. what doesn't he matter to his father anymore?) you never touched upon the fact that Superman's actions benefited Lex therefore he had no reason to want him dead. or the fact that Bruce was caught by Lex Luthor's database by one of his staff but wasn't escorted away yet the most intelligent man in Gotham never thought this was strange. or the dumb 1% argument it's okay to like this movie, I do. but there's many things wrong that aren't given enough time to develop, like how Lex found out both Bruce and Clark's secret identities or how he learned about other super powered people.because neither of these are explained on screen

Well played, mate!

Wow. Just wow. I’m new to this guy and Chanel (and commenting) but have been watching a lot and have been impressed and in mostly full agreement with his critiques (last Jedi in particular). But I’m thoroughly bewildered by this positive review. His defense of this movie in contrast to complaints of last Jedi are mind boggling to me. This movie is at least equally as unforgivable and shockingly bad and flawed as the last jedi and in many similar ways. Even worse so perhaps I think. To each their own of course, but damn I wasn’t expecting that and gotta disagree all but completely.

They are to different movies! The two main thesis are either Love and/or Death!

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Strange ppl have problems with Luthor playing a socialble and nice guy as a cover but are fine with Batman's Bruce Wayne playing bored and corruptive playboy as a cover.

Pacific rim fucking ROCKS.

another complaint i love: "SUPERMAN KILLS THE AFRICAN EGENERAL!" no he doesn't. you try to explain to them and they brush it off saying "No and simply saying that he didn't kill him wasn't enough for me! Why didnt zack make it clearer?!" seems to me like they're the ones who want superman to be the killer since they don't want to take the time to stop and think "hey, maybe its not so impossible for superman to not tackle that guy through walls? maybe he dragged the guy under him and used his head to plow through the walls or held him with one arm and used his free one to plow through the walls?" you say that to them and then they start bringing in physics -_- yep they want that killer superman just so they can justify their hatred for not only this movie but Zack Snyder as well. What sad pitiful people.

@billmcdermott9647

6 жыл бұрын

The thing is Snyder should of made it clearer because if he did then there would be no issue. Superman could have done anyone of the things you said and the warlord may have been fine.....but we don’t see it. We the audience can only base it on what we physically see with our own eyes and what we see is a man being ramed through several walls at full speed so based on realism he would likely have killed him and there is no evidence that he wasn’t dead. Considering The length of the film why not put in two lines of diolougevthst he was facing punishment for his war crimes or show him battered but alive.....or show his picture in a paper with the caption “dictator found guilty” You make perfectly good and valid arguments but people get annoyed because it feels like your making excuses and calling it fact despite never seeing any evidence for it. We see him being smacked through walls though. It’s like in the newer x men film. People debated over why the x men are not aging...and people jump to the never substantiated idea that mutants age slower than humans. All mutants not just certain ones. That comes across as exscuses because they just don’t want to admit that the movie makers couldn’t be bothered (likely because of budget) to put nearly every character in make up to make them look in there 40,s to 50,s

@tyshekka

6 жыл бұрын

Actually I never thought of that.

@billmcdermott9647

6 жыл бұрын

We’re you replying to my comment?

@seang3835

6 жыл бұрын

Great point. I never once thought that General died when he saved Lois

@raam726

6 жыл бұрын

Ive watched that scene frame by frame. He clearly smashes him through. See it yourself

Great vid completely agree mate. Much better the overrated civil war.

i agree, also i wonder did anyone ever complain about superman being this jesus archetypal character in this film as well?

@LeftFootMediaNZ

8 жыл бұрын

+Sr.Slayer94 I saw some criticisms of that, but more so with Man of Steel

@slayer94ism

8 жыл бұрын

+The Daily well it seems now that they've completed that aspect, i wonder how superman will be after his resurrection

Came here after watching Cosmonaut Variety Hour's awful review.

i think you resume all the thing, the critics and media influence the general public but only in usa, because all this hate is coming from US media (and marvel movies who looks like animation in reel life), i'm not american and people in my contry or in europe where i have a lot a freind don't give a shit of the media or politics or any one who talk a lot of bla bla bla like critics, that's why we watch all movies coming all around the world and there is a lot of movies and series who didn't success in USA but it was so successful in the rest of the world, USA make good movies and kills good movies

I like this video, but I did not like BvS at all. I have read DKR, and this was not the Batman in DKR, nor was Superman portrayed in a way to make him hopeful or even likeable for me. There was a lot of unearned symbolism that requires intimate knowledge of scenes from comics without the context of the comic given. If you're going to reference a version of a character from the comic you can't deviate from that version of the character; and BvS did that. Batman needed a movie before BvS to have all this established.

Well two things: Superman (Now) in the new 52 version and a lot of the newer Animated JLA Movies is NOT a Christopher Reeves kind of Supes he's more of a Arrogant Jerk type guy who is totally aware how "Super" and badass he is, and is more distant from people/public. I always used to come away from seeing Superman on screen (Even Animated Bruce Timm/ Paul Dini etc.) That Superman was "Noble" You would feel a better person adapting his moral center. I did not feel this way with Man of Steel OR BvS! Yet I felt and Feel that strength when I see Captain America/Chris Evens Portrayal.So, THIS newer version of Superman isn't my thing. I REALLY Dig Henry Cavil He definitely has the "Look" but I feel the Direction for the actor was off. I gave Superman a pass for all the foolish/amateurish mistakes he made during the Zod fight scenes, because he was only Superman for about a few days, yet he still repeated the same mistake during BvS. No real character growth since we've last seen him. And do you REALLY think Superman Returns was a "Good" movie???? He was an emo/stalker style Superman with a SON and Weak Lex and story line.

@Avatariuz

8 жыл бұрын

I thought Superman was noble in BvS, those rescue scenes, you can see he was recognizing all the admiration with humble gesture towards them in those scenes. You dont need him to wave at people as he flies away, nodding or even smiling back is enough. I like Captain America and yea i see some similarities in idealogies, but he was boring in Civil War, he was more like "i dont like governments tie in cus they change agendas, im more worried about my friend" and thats that. In BvS we see Superman struggle with his ideals, some admire him, some hate him and some worship him, he wants to do good but maybe its not enough in this world where boy scouts are a joke, and its hard to try and help people who cant pull themselfs out of their misery. in this movie, Superman is struggling with his reputation, people and governments are not trusting him, but still there are someone who does.

@3DSDF

7 жыл бұрын

I feel like Superman in BvS was noble because he still helped despite the hate and questions being thrown at. Not once did he ever blame the rest of mankind for not understanding him. He only blamed himself. He felt that he wasn't the right person for the job. He's only been a hero for a year, but being Earth's champion is no easy task. Not to mention that he's doing all of this by himself. Even in First Avenger, Cap had a team to back him up. Here, Superman has only his girlfriend and mother who can only give him morale support.

Both Superman movies received completely stilted reviews and criticism

Obvious you don't read comments because marvel has much darker themes than dc in the comics. So don't act like you know something when you obviously I normally love your reviews but now I look at you like I do the fakes from collider

@robertaudey7248

6 жыл бұрын

Comics*. Not comments

Well I'd say you think its better than it really is, because you've only read bad reviews

@LeftFootMediaNZ

7 жыл бұрын

Or... because I actually think that it is better than the critics believe it to be.

I've seen the new extended version of the movie, and I _still_ don't like it very much. I am a comic book reader and am familiar with all of the lore (have read Dark Knight Returns, I, II, and now III; Killing Joke; Death In the Family; Batman: Year One, etc). This movie actually made me physically *angry* in some places, such as the fight between Superman and Batman. I was saying aloud, "oh, come on". The film maker was treating the audience with contempt. Why, when Superman flew to the Bat-Signal, did he not follow up his "Bruce, I need your help", with "Luther is holding my mother hostage". He didn't have time? He sure had time enough to say, "if I wanted it, you'd be dead by now". Duh. And you're right, I _do_ think this Superman is too dark. I saw the original Superman movies when I was a kid, and those first two Reeve movies are still the best Superman movies ever. Far from being a "cheese-fest", those movies are magical and fill kids with a sense of wonder and exhiliration; "you'll believe a man can fly" - the tagline says it all. To be honest, there's not a LOT of stuff that is cheesy in it, apart from the Otis/Luther stuff. And how did I feel after finishing this new movie? Like I'd been hit over the head with a CGI hammer. It was depressing as hell, with its scowly Superman in his drab colors and bad attitude. ps, I own the copy of Superman #75 with the death of Superman, and it was more emotional than this movie. _Superman Returns_ just wasn't that good of a movie, not for the reasons that it "didn't work" because it stuck too close to the Reeve movies. You may as well say, well, we've already had a dark Batman movie, so we really need to go on and do some other kind of Batman movie, or we've seen a certain type of Jesus character portrayed in books and movies, but that doesn't work in the modern age. We need a new darker type of Jesus now to get people interested. No - Superman has a _tone_ just as Batman has a tone. He has a _character_ that was exemplified by Reeve, and that character doesn't change. He is the big, moral, red and blue policeman. Henry Cavill in this movie doesn't reflect Superman's character. Smacking Batman all over the place without explaining the situation just wasn't _moral_. It went against Superman's character. And I want a moral Superman. Superman is not supposed to have the character of Batman. The Superman cartoon is still very popular, and it is based on the old Superman - *my* Superman. *It does work* So you can't say it doesn't work anymore and needed to get more dark. ps, I'm not sure that _Dark Knight Returns_ is actually canon. It's like more of an Elseworlds type story.

@vodjunkie3231

8 жыл бұрын

Its just a movie bro. It don't make sense to get butt hurt over it because you did not get the old superman/batman. This is a new take on these characters on screen; something we haven't see before. My advice is to forget what we've already seen and put our thoughts on what was presented in order to understand what the writer/director's vision for the characters like what the reviewer did. I think it was great to see how these characters can be deconstructed/flawed and evolve for better by the end of the movie.

@maforo85

6 жыл бұрын

da5idnz A filmmaker has his or hers own interpretation of a character or an adaption. A filmmaker is doing art too so they do their own interpretation. It doesn’t have to be an exact copy of a book, comic, ect.

Death in the family.....example of dark batman? Joker becomes the UN ambassador for Iran in it........okay

When this movie came out the “Martha memes” weren’t far behind and I constantly debated people on it and stuck up for the choice but everyone just seemed to brush it off. Batman has lost faith in humanity after losing Robin and years of revolving prison doors, he sees Superman as this alien creature destroying buildings and hurting people that are “beneath his notice as a God”. Batman decided he’ll die trying to make a God bleed if he has to, all of his years of anger and suffering are projected on to one man, low and behold the one being who can take Batman’s rage and still en standing. When Lois tells Batman Martha is Superman’s mother his self delusion is shattered and he realizes this is a person, with faults, with a mother and a life and who makes mistakes and isn’t responsible for all the evil of the world. He repents and begins to see Superman for what he is when he fights Doomsday.

ps, worth watching this 25 minute discussion between Christopher Nolan and Richard Donner (the director of the 1978 _Superman, The Movie_). Nolan mentions how he modelled his Batman movies on the original Superman. _‘I want to do for Batman what Dick Donner did for Superman in 1978’_. bit.ly/29952Jf

Just before the Martha scene Batman says to Clark when he's got him on the floor. "I bet your parents told you, you were special, that you're here for a reason, that you mean something, my parents taught me a different lesson, dying in the gutter for no reason at all" - it shows that he knew full well that Clark had parents on earth who loved him. So the Martha scene is literally just - it's the fact that their mums have the same names. It wasn't like he hadn't considered Clark was a guy with parents just like him, he was thinking and talking about it during the fight. And people make fun of the Bond villain trope all the time... but I do wish they made Lex's motivation as simple as you describe it in the movie, but in reality it was convoluted. In the end he wanted to sacrifice himself by letting Doomsday destroy everything and everyone to prove to the world that god is neither all good or all powerful - because his daddy hit him when he was a child. How hard would it have been just to make it that he was jealous of the superheroes and he wanted to make them fight and then use the damage caused to pick up contracts for rebuilding the city and anti superhero weaponry production. Nothing crazy - just simple economics and greed being his motivation... like a bond villain.

@srinjoyroychoudhury7034

8 жыл бұрын

Not really. The Martha Scene was for Batman to put himself in Clark's position. He felt like Clark was the young Bruce Wayne and He himself was Joe Chill.

@Milanders

8 жыл бұрын

+Kesari Chakra Why did you say that name !?!?!

@srinjoyroychoudhury7034

8 жыл бұрын

B Milanders Cause you brought it up. 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

Why BvS is trash: m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4hrmbqhldzdaKw.html

Everyone's a critic. You either like a film or you don't. Everyone has different expectations of what they want a movie to be. Some are more bias than others. So, it is what is. I still love reading/watching film reviews, but I'm also aware that someone else's opinion can't or shouldn't judge any film for me. Only I can judge a film based on my own expectations. Regarding the reviews for this film, no matter what you can't please everyone. You just simply can't. Everyone has different perspectives.

The Martha moment was stupid. Just replace the word Martha with the word mom and it becomes less stupid without loosing anything. Superman having a mom that he cares about, makes him human enough for Batman to relate.

@The80sWolf_

5 жыл бұрын

Sups: "You are letting him kill my mom" Bats: "Ok" * stab *

@metal5481

3 жыл бұрын

Batman thinks superman is an alien, a monster. So save my mom means an alien mom just like superman. Why would batman want to save another alien when he tried to destroy one? And batman doesn’t give a damn about his alien parents. He says to superman, “I bet your parents taught you a different lesson, that you mean something, that you were SENT HERE FOR A REASON”. Here batman is referring to his biological parents. But when superman speaks a human name and later know that he has a human mother, he realize that superman is more human than him.

If the first point you want to make is "people don't like things because they are subjective" you have no clue what you're talking about.

I'm hearing lots of excuses, but few reasons. Should be stated in the title you are a DC apologist. I don't remember the first four Superman movies being terribly dark. Nor the TV shows before Smallville (even that was more grayish). How about, well, any of the Batman movies besides Returns? Green Lantern? Also, Returns had a few dark scenes, but a lot that would have fit nicely in a cartoon. Not a dark movie. If you want an example of a dark movie, watch the original Oldboy. Punisher, Spawn, glad Deadpool was mentioned...darker than DC. The argument "movies shouldn't need outside sources to explain things...except when it's something where I've read and enjoy the outside source, then it's totally ok, great even", is lame, sorry. No special pleading for you. Man of Steel - I don't understand how anyone can think a movie is good solely because of pacing. An otherwise good movie can be ruined by poor pacing, but you can't have an otherwise bad movie saved by good pacing. Sad that's the best you can say for it. Zod was supposed to be a General, and his people were supposed to be ex-military as well, yet none of them make good strategic or tactical decisions. It only barely makes sense if Zod was a PFC, and got field promotions to General because everyone remotely qualified was dead. They just punch, punch, fly, punch. Perhaps the yellow sun gives all of them god-like abilities, but kills every last brain cell? Maybe that's why Superman doesn't know what emotions are? We see bits of Clark growing up, which was about all the character building they could muster. First time I've seen Johnathan portrayed as an idiot. Handling of Jimmy was a disgrace. They really tried to have Clark be a decent guy, but ruined it with him taking petty revenge on the trucker. He should have learned proportionate responses in grade school, though I'm glad he learned patience somehow. Either he never learned to control his rage, or he's just a dick, either way, how has he managed not to kill half a dozen people by now? Why was it too hard to just show him standing up for himself without violence? Does he really not know how to use words? Effects were good, music was excellent, but story was botched. Story was warped in order to have cool looking scenes (both MoS and BVS). Superman Returns did not have a good story. Superman being a deadbeat dad and immune to Kryptonite are what ruined that movie. "Everything is there (to make a good superhero movie)", by that logic, you must love every single Transformers movie, and the past 7 years of Nicolas Cage and Val Kilmer. Just because an actor or director has made good movies before does not guarantee they will make good movies in the future. Superman Returns was only suspenseful for people under the age of ten. In BVS, I didn't have a problem with Batman using guns. I had a problem with him killing security guards. Getting into Lexcorp to steal the Kryponite would have been a more interesting thing to watch than just murder and explosions like we got. Plot - manufactured. Way too much of BVS was written by asking "how do we get this person to do X when we want them to?" Instead of "how would these characters respond to this situation?" Yes, even though most franchise movies are written in this fashion, it's still worthy of complaining about. If you accept mediocre product without complaint, there's little to no incentive to provide a good product. Nothing about Lex made sense, he was horribly written and/or acted. Cringe worthy. It might have helped this movie if we had seen something of Lex's character before witnessing Zod, but as it is, he's always been an insane rich person who happens to be good or lucky at basketball, and loves peeing in jars for and feeding Jolly Ranchers to Senators. Not sure where to stick this, but the Senate Hearing scene wasn't done well. I was sure Superman was going to be labeled a terrorist, because the building blows up, and he just flys off, like he doesn't care in the least. He didn't save anyone, and by all appearances didn't attempt to look for survivors. It would be easy for people to believe he caused the explosion, since he was under scrutiny for murder already. Martha-ite only makes sense if it were common for people to refer to their mothers by name. To make this work, we have to assume that people in Kansas don't use "mom" or "dad", or Superman just doesn't understand communication (I'm led to believe the latter, but they don't explain how he got brain damage, so plot hole?). Also, Batman doesn't 'realize' he's doing a bad thing. Lois hadn't been doing anything for a while, so the writers had her run over just in time to explain that Martha is Superman's mom's name (so, neither Lex nor Batman with their billions were able to do any of the sleuthing Lois did on a shoestring budget and small time-frame?). Also, why wasn't Superman able to sense his mother's kidnapping? I thought he could sense Lois being in danger because he cared for her. Does this mean it's not love, but lust that gives him that ability? How oddly specific! Or, weirder, he's always focusing on Lois, so he can hear everything she does, all day long. Eating, going to the bathroom, gossiping at the water cooler...Ok, so for whatever reason he can't sense his mom's kidnapping. Why couldn't he find her? He had an entire hour he could fly around looking and/or listening for signs of a kidnapping. Why would he think Batman would be able to find her faster than he could? Ok, all logic out the window so far, your mom is kidnapped, there's one person you think can help you, what's your plan? Apologize for destroying their sports-tank earlier, and immediately follow up with "my mom is in danger, would you be willing to help me find and rescue her?" Nope, too sensible, and why should Superman apologize? Ok, ok, hm...I know! I'll fly above him and stare at him menacingly, that should communicate I need his help and want to become friends! If he was supposed to realize he had become no better than a criminal, then the Martha thing wasn't necessary, and just confuses the issue. Why didn't he have this revelation when he was murdering before? How is this any different, aside from a gorgeous witness? Batman also has no reason to suspect that Superman's Martha is human, and nothing is conveyed about the danger she is in. She could be stranded on another planet, or be suffering from space diabetes. We don't know. The argument "you weren't watching the movie properly" is pathetic. Your subjective opinion has no more weight than anyone else's. I enjoyed BVS for the most part until Martha-ite, there are a number of things I liked, I might not think it was a terrible movie, but it wasn't good either. Lex is a billionaire who can have personal meetings with Senators to ask for favors, how does he not have power? I don't see any arc in his character. He's insane at the start, and insane at the end, the only explanation for his motives are...he's insane, wonderfully insane! I also didn't see anything about him being a genius. He never figures anything out or devises any plans, he just has information because...reasons. No explanation why he would want a billionaire playboy and a junior reporter from a neighboring city to meet. Sure, the audience knows who these two are, but Lex doesn't. Not sure why Lex would have even heard of Clark Kent. What tech exactly was Lex genius about? There wasn't even exposition about this. Lex isn't shown to be capable of anything aside from basketball and making people uncomfortable. All appearances are of him just being a spoiled insane rich kid, who has capable minions who do things for him. Referencing bad movies in defense of a bad movie doesn't make it better. Bond flicks were never serious films. They were almost as campy as Adam West Batman. I could be wrong, I might have to go back and check some Bond, but I don't remember them delving into politics, just lightly touching it. It seems almost like you're suggesting that if someone judges someone else to be immoral, it is then justifiable to kill them, regardless of law? So someone who doesn't run into a burning building to save someone else, do they deserve death? What about sex outside of wedlock? Some people would find one or both to be immoral. Would that mean that if Batman learned that Superman slept, should Superman be held accountable for any civilian deaths in Metropolis from 10pm-6am? How about Batman, should he be liable for not supporting enough charities, or local law enforcement? How about funding development of reliable non-lethal weapons? If this paragraph turns out to be a straw man argument, I apologize. Morality is so much more complicated than how it is referenced in the video. It seems like the entire video was shrouded in comic-book knowledge. "If you looked at the movie like I look at the movie, the movie is great, and critical analysis is invalid!"

Are you a homosexual? you sound kind of funny.

@IndianaJoe0321

5 жыл бұрын

Have you never heard a person from New Zealand?

Very good and logical response to the unfair criticisms. I think most of them (criticisms) came from a lack of understanding of the movie, preconceived ideas or just bias against it. I really agree with your view on Superman, it's unfortunate some people can't see past the campy boy scout image created by the old movies and realize it's outdated. Personally, I love this new, serious take on Superman from MoS and BvS. It's a compelling portrayal that takes inspiration from modern comic books.