I think you need to tell people that you can build units without an afus... smh

@nickf950

11 ай бұрын

Inconceivable

@SrWyro

11 ай бұрын

that is literally the problem lmao

@armed_but_blind2768

10 ай бұрын

This is still a problem. Frontline rushing t2 instead of units

Drongo buddy, you have put out plenty of videos that show you being aggressive and responding to possible breaks. If anyone is going eco in the game they also need to be watching the front line and responding accordingly. If you're eco and your frontline players are getting pushed back, remembering that 1 break through can be that turning tide for the rest of the game. So as you point out at the very beginning you NEED TO BUILD UNITS.... If players can't figure that bit out, maybe they should play the single player scenarios beforehand. IMO, the player going eco has every avenue of production available to them because they have the build power and eco to support whatever they choose to do.

Imagine making videos to help new players and the community shits on you. Thanks for making vids. You and Lostdeadman are massive in helping players in Bar get better.

@apgamer4053

11 ай бұрын

😂 to be fair he did kinda cause the problem but he's a great guy because he's also fixing it 😂

@frydac

11 ай бұрын

are we sure he caused 'the problem', I'm not convinced his influence is as big as some ppl seem to think. Its just an easy target if ppl wanna blame someone. Without proper statistics I would be careful in the blame game, as mostly most conclusions are at least somewhat off, or maybe just completely wrong.. you can't know.

@ainumahtar

11 ай бұрын

@@frydac I'd argue a major issue is the massive horde of people who don't play any game without looking up the meta first and copying that completely unblinkingly, more so than the people who provide guides.

Even when making units, Drongo can't help but have 7 afus. The addiction is real.

3:23 Instructions unclear. The bot labs refused to move up the map. Had to build additional labs.

I think that ppl calling them "drongos" are doing it more as a meme than a critic towards you, we all love you

Your content opened the way for me and the boys to start playing BAR and we've been having a blast. The biggest thing we've taken from your videos is to take a look and see where we could improve, we always watch replays. Sadly it seems that a large chunk of the BAR community just want to play the blame game every lobby and blaming your content is just an extension of that.

@DigitalHawk96

11 ай бұрын

Watching replays are a great way of learning. Even if you skip to points in your own to see "Was my bombing right, did I need more fighters? Was it a mistake to begin with? How did x do that"

@tommy4438

11 ай бұрын

I hate bicycles

I had a full backline of drongos, all sub lvl 15. Was hilarious. We lost with them rushijg afus, other team had none.

@nickf950

11 ай бұрын

Its almost like AFUS has zero dps

@kregard5796

11 ай бұрын

It does have dps, just burst DPS that only hurts yourself ;) and maybe a few unlucky enemies that pop when it goes off

@mattstoss1423

11 ай бұрын

The biggest problem is I garuntee none of the new players watching drongo have ever played a frigan rts. Every rts is the same. It's a balance of shit xD not just spam spam spam of this or that. The vids are great but if you're to much of a potato to get it don't play.

Good vid but the problem lays way before this build is up.

Played with him today and he did this exact build(7 afus included), worked out great minus the fact that he forgot to make welders.

"drongos" xD That made me chuckle...

bruh its so funny to see how your videos are litterly shapping the meta

@mattstoss1423

11 ай бұрын

Shapping?

@ainumahtar

11 ай бұрын

@@mattstoss1423 schlapping?

Tbh now i'm afraid that drongos are going to build units when they have 6 Afusions and 24 converters but not until than.

@alanpaone

11 ай бұрын

you just gotta hold the line for 35 minutes and then 100 sharpshooters and 7000 ticks will fall on your enemy like a hammer

@psbaker2

11 ай бұрын

@@alanpaone 🤣

lol he didn't make it 5 minutes without making another afu

In ten years time, going Drongo will be as notorious a meme as C9'ing in Overwatch. Drongo will be Mememortalized in slow moving black and white pictures, in various poses of pain and cringe, with "Linkin Park - Doesn't Even Matter" playing in the background. Top Text: "Drongo(replace with Drongodoer's name here)" bottom text: "Did a Drongo". And "Don't be a Drongodoer." Also I just patented those so I demand 2% of every Drongodoer meme.

@JaimeWarlock

11 ай бұрын

Don't forget the South Park episode "Drongo Drugders", where Cartman hires a group of kids to help him win a big money BAR tournament, they watch some KZread videos and even the front liners go for an AFUS resulting in the shortest wipe in history.

@SteinarHusby

11 ай бұрын

@@JaimeWarlock Well, the BAR tournament and the kids were just an excuse to let Cartman go on an epic tirade against Australian gamers with OCD. Nevertheless, all of the outrage around that episode gave the developers of BAR enough money to release the QODL(Quality of Drongo's life) expansion for free... which unfortunately turned the game into DBAR (Drongo Beyond All Reason), dooming us all by creating the niche base-building-only RTS genre.

Well be glad you became Artosis of BAR

Crackpirate here, I actually broke the meta a bit from watching your videos, saw how the best air players played then developed a bomber rush that beat their early fighter output. It's been a menace on supreme strait.

@br4624

11 ай бұрын

I bet most players don't even realise how many bombers with fighter escort is possible to be pushed out at 7 min mark.

You're not going to be printing many units if you don't understand eco. I think you've done a great service by shining light on the strange build orders this game encourages. That being said I would love to see a video with more detail around frontline eco.

@mattmcginn8096

11 ай бұрын

Think that's really the only thing I'd say. Drongo got a ton of videos on how to run a streamlined eco, even how to help Frontline as eco. Not many on how to run Frontline. Which there really is a market for, cause new players are always thrust into the frontline. Noob friendly frontline build guides would be dope.

You are THE reason I started playing BAR. Havent played rts since Starcraft released. Yeah, the first one. And yeah I was guilty of greedy eco. But that was a stepping stone, now I can fill in for about any role within a minute or so of seeing the need. You showed many people their first step and I refuse the idea that you needed to apologize. You showed me eco...so I learned frontline because I saw the need. Not your fault some people cant take the next step my dude.

I would like to see more frontline gameplay. But not only what frontline should be, but what you enjoy to do, or both

because I play front line 99% of time, my eco pretty much never reaches > 100 m/sec. If I had 240 m/sec the world would be my oyster , but usually the game is over by then (i.e we have won already). Scaling eco while frontline and under 100% pressure constantly is pretty tough!

@fabienherry6690

11 ай бұрын

Depend on the map but a lot of time you get more than 100 with all your mex T2 and a few converter. Also as frontline you get reclaim so it's not rare for frontline to have more metal than backline

The BAR cookbook is vast, and you've added quite a few recipes to the mix. Nobody can blame you for simply sharing your recipes with us. It's up to us to take your recipes and make them work, make them better, fit them into our own recipes to create a more flavorful dish. If anybody is watching your videos and copying every ingredient, then of course they're going to botch the meal, because it's not your job to tell us everything that's possible, just what you've made. You have no need to apologize.

I still aim for an afus, but I do it differently: Fast t2 with cortex vehicle > Sell / distribute constructors while building my AMEX > provide radar jammer / mobile arti > 1 AFUS + 5 converters > Antinuke, ~3000 metal worth of vehicles depending on what they need > 2nd afus > 5000 metal of vehicles > 3rd afus and so on And with the grid widget now I can easily scale till 30+ afus, and heavy carry eco/units throughout, plus even a calamity inbetween / swap air etc

I think that eco role should evolve more or has the ability to evolve not necessarily in a more impressive manner but building supplemental infrastructure for the entire team. It is easy to assume all people would eventually get to the point of self-sustain but with one individual focusing on the health of the team, everyone has a greater chance of survival and lead to less instances of 1vX situations where the finality rests upon the eco player. The benefit of allies in RTS games is you have more processing/multitasking power, so invest in keeping that processing power up.

@Cizjut

11 ай бұрын

Also eco players can remind themselves that they can auto-share excess metal/energy with the top sliders, that is a huge help to everyone, or just upgrade every mex in the team to T2

@mattmcginn8096

11 ай бұрын

​@@CizjutI've started just hitting area mex on a t2 aircon and covering the entire friendly side of the map. It's not gonna win games itself, but one constructer isn't gonna slow me down much and it helps everyone a bit. But mainly it's just a huge morale boost when you directly help your ally's.

Hey drongo, i might have been the one to start the whole "calling people drongos" thing, and i was just memeing at the time, but i am truly sorry if that offended you, it was just meant as a joke. I always do find your content very entertaining to watch and i do watch most of your videos (on BAR, not really an AoE player), was just making a joke about how there are a lot of new players that will watch these build orders from youtubers and then repeat them exactly and inflexibly without any communication to the downfall of their team, and you happen to be the most popular youtuber for bar with the newer players. Hope there aren't any hard feelings.

@Sorain1

11 ай бұрын

Your not responsible for how people took what you said, nor is Drongo responsible for people making those mistakes. Heck, I'll even give a nod to the players doing this. People who are new, try to learn from those more experienced, but without knowing why things are done in specific. (Because they are new) Thus teething troubles ensue.

I am one of those Drongos, but i am getting better

"and that's going to help me to contribute to my enemies" he's not wrong

This game is full of salty old gamer dads and I’m here for it lol

Hi love your videos By the way what the spec of your pc that was some epic graphics 21:17 21:17

i though just making 8 pawn or 5 hound is enough to hold a frontline.

Drongo, I am writing this comment after the first mintue of the video, so please excuse me if something is described incorrectly that comes in the later part. I am also one of those new players and I am grateful to you for making me aware of the game in the first place. As long as there is no good tutorial for the game, like the challenges in AOE4, no one should be mad at you, but rather grateful to increase the community for a game. Besides, nowhere in the game is it explained what you have to do when and which units are good/bad against others. Please keep it up!

hahaha, this video is great, awesome you're addressing this.

Just slide the red metal and energy slider to the middle and now your whole team can enjoy your eco.

Thanks for this video. I appreciated an insight of a rush build in this game, but people started doing it EVERY TIME IN EVERY POSITION and really got hilarious and infuriating. Lots of people want to turtle in every RTS they grab and every single time is a bad idea in MP

Drongo is doing good content - but indeed the problem occurs from min 1-20 with making MORE UNITS, not in min 25 with 7 afus and 260+ metal

Why did your bot labs disappear at 5:37

This is so funny I love you Drongo ❤

If you got a drongo, that just means free supplies for you!

I feel like you helped me break into this game enormously! Finally raising my ranking and winning games. Thanks for your content! Love to have a coffee and watch a drongo match.

I never did any kind of unit spam like this. I found the little units just died so fast that I only ever made expensive and slow to construct units. But I would challenge myself against nearly impossible AI modes. Also the terrain on maps often limited how segmented you could make your base. I was in the habit of selecting my construction units and clicking the building i wanted them to focus. But now that I see the unit spam that might of been smart to use sometimes. Not sure. I seem to have a different mindset. And it all became about range at one point and beating the AI to the longer range. All I know is that you learn a lot against hard AI modes. Like swap the normal AI for the crazy one and one hard one and one defense. And kiss butt goodbye until you learn. lol

Bro, the undercurrent of sarcasm is great here. lol

Drongo you help so many people. Made me better and made me enjoy the game more. You did no wrong ❤

@tackier52

2 ай бұрын

The backline eco of this game is still destroyed by drongos to this day.

Drongos.. nice.. :D But people need to know, they can make units before afus too!

I was playing a 4v4 with newbs against barb ai and 2 of them made almost almost 0 units in an 80 minute game, drongos building 3 t3 factories and not making any units out of them the whole game

I mean, that's your brand. Never forgot, it's hilarious. But yes, as someone who learned from your videos, please tell them to make units and not wear 1 hat

BRAH< your the only person whos gottn ME to handel the ECO! so i can pump units non stop... im a Drongo in heart

My first few games I was deffo a Drongo. Thanks Drongo :D

Dude I don't know what the issue is but I watch ur vids so I can come up with good strategies. Combining strategies of many players to create a better play style to have a great play. And also if ppl don't play their roles well I recomand just doing those things urself instead of complaining. And good guide vid by the way. 👌👌👍👍

Never ever let the streams cross! 👻 And then you even threw a GB in! 😎

It do be really annoying when backline players just dont look at the front until its way too late. Like if the line is busted and a team mates base gets blown up, you're already too late. Sending units up front in a dire moment is better than 7 afus 100% of the time.

I lul'd at the intro 😜 You absolute drongo.

I bet this men whenever he sleeps about BAR he be filling the map with afus and winning without buildin a solid defense.

Is it really an apology video if you don't play the ukulele?

wtf this game is just a custom map from W3 that was made for SC2 too.....

Oh shit DRONGO DRONGO listen to your lest 45 seconds. "I just played with another 3 DRONGOS 3" Only need 1 eco a game. So the issue is these dudes think eco is the only backline thing. Maybe make some vids of playing each role, all 4 frontlines and all 4 back lines, so tech, eco, frontline help, and air. And keep making em. People see your vids and thats all they want to do is what Drongo does. Give em more things to do man. From begining to end.

@mariomario-dy1kc

11 ай бұрын

But, he did make front line builds as well as rush builds, and that one video showing one side winning because some of their back players made units while the other team's backline did pure eco. Not to mention pretty much every eco build includes, at every step "look at the frontline, provide help if needed, don't just do pure eco"

@mattstoss1423

11 ай бұрын

@mariomario-dy1kc right and I had said 3 ecos. 3. I garuntee if you look at the other video again not all 4 went eco. You'd die you're talking 8 people pumping troops vs 4? You'd never win.

@mariomario-dy1kc

11 ай бұрын

@@mattstoss1423 and, as I'm pointing out, he's made quite a few videos that are not eco either, as well as warnings about going full eco in his videos. So no, making more frontline videos isn't necessarily the solution. I'd argue that, in fact, learning to balance eco and army building isn't something one can learn from videos but is something one needs gameplay experience to grasp.

@mattstoss1423

11 ай бұрын

@mariomario-dy1kc he may have made a few, but there are far more from the backline. And they have more views so the algorithm makes them seen more.

@mattstoss1423

11 ай бұрын

@mariomario-dy1kc a nice middle ground would a video depicting an opening to middle, depecting what one would do when under fire at the Frontline, weather it's a game with no people only ai or an actual game would be fine. People would click a full opening guide. Yes I agree people should learn the balance. Or play the ai a bit and get a grasp. But they probably won't. Look at the SC2 community, new players under gold asking how to play, but if you can beat the brutal ai you'll jump to plat.

but isnt that spam just a direct transfer of your eco to the enemie? you donate so much metal and units to them, they just need to reclaim it...

27 afus? Those are rookie numbers.

Ask yourself if your team can make a play to win the game without an extra 3,000 energy in your base. Simple as.

nice

4/10 apology. Needs more ukulele.

Front exists to protect back. Back exists to support front. Backline has individual roles and need to act as a whole to be effective. Front line acts as as independent armies essentially. If one frontliner fails or dies and that backliner finishes the game. Backline has failed. Backliners think they have won the match and the team has won if they finish the game over the dead frontliners. No you haven't. You've just survived long enough because your front line made it happen and now the backline reaps all the awards and skills up. If backline let's one front line fall because of greed. You fail. Also backline complains about leaks but never builds a single laser tower. Do you know how many laser towers and defenses a front liner needs to spend all their resources on. And then still asks for metal to provide support. It's a joke. #half_robot

now you taught them to spam - goodbye FPS

Adv solar panel wins me more games than afus does tbh. Its not that afus rush is terrible, is just that peopple seem incapable of producing enough military to defend themselves effectively.

Drongos rise up 😂

I just can't get used to the UI so i just gave up on this game for now. It's so frustrating that just building things is so complicated and segregated. One day ill probably pick it up again idk. But your content helps to push me to get back into it because i really do enjoy this game.

@Dozer456123

11 ай бұрын

I recommend switching to grid hotkeys and learning those :) It makes the UI basically unimportant.

I am drongo

Man then i am a drongo , but in aoe2 i am a boomer so hard, old and boomer 2k man XD

its pawn spam you dirty mind

Noobs going for 40 minutes of eco when they only needed 30.

HES A GOD DAM YT DIDDLER!! Oh no its just too much eco. Okay. Youre good. Not a diddler confirmed. hahaha

Never make an apology video, just keep going on. It makes you look like a Core commander! :) #ARM ARMY

Ngl.. it's kind of an honor that they referred to me as a "drongo" in a game xD I don't see any problem with that.

@babochee

11 ай бұрын

Most lemmings don't mind being one. That's why they are - a lemming.

Stop telling new players they can eco,, more will try saying they can x

I’ve watched loads of your videos but it’s extremely frustrating listening to them when you constantly refer to afus’s and never say what they are. Why are they called afus when they’re labelled advanced fusion reactor?

lol people say you don't talk about units? your vids are full spectrum

i joke about people that play cities skyline in a rts match but on games with shared resources a teammate doin the teching is inportant personally i like the guy that eco and does air or does eco and share t2 constructors over pure eco 7afr builds, but thats me subjective philosofical point of fucking view i dont think youre done wrong cause just like theres a build a high player does that a low player can follow and also do well, theres some builds highplayer do that low players shouldnt do, mostly because you know where to stop and how to go from this to o shit we need a figher wall due tomorrow, but a low player would get bombed cause he dont know the stop points and how to go from a 2 b

Maybe fight against someone?

Jeez. You need to apologize for being the leader in creating content for this game? I hope that isn’t a red flag from the community. The amount of positivity you’ve provided makes any complaint feel shallow and fabricated. I’m not buying it.

Come on bro - you're giving yourself too much credit. This is a HARD game to learn for the vast majority of people. The fact that people struggle to make units is not your fault. Now you need to apologize for insulting our intelligence with your inflated ego.

@psbaker2

11 ай бұрын

His inflated ego? Wow. Just wow.