While it didn't impact the game all that much, there were a lot of questionable actions this game, like the feud between the abzan lifegain deck and Zurgo and the Nekusar player deciding to have an extra second main phase after declaring he "moved through his phases" and got Rifted in response. If a player says they are going to move through their phases and I decide to Rift because of it, that Rift is being cast on their end step and I don't see any other way to interpret that. This came off like the Nekusar player changed their mind after being Rifted and backtracked their turn

@peterstewart7332

2 жыл бұрын

Had the same thought. Similarly the counterspell ending up back in the Nekusar player's hand. Rules mistakes happen, but when they're repeated and from the player that wins it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Two other players watching the Neukusar player's board explode as they continued to hit each other was poor threat assessment, but they reaped what they sowed as the first two out.

@charlesmaillho367

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention he got an extra mana reduction from the nightscape familiar that was not caught. The first time he cast Nekuzar he only paid 3 mana. It didn't affect that turn but a few turns later it did when he cast silent arbiter with a reduced Nekuzar. And those spells after rift was really questionable too.

@wedredwed000

2 жыл бұрын

You respond to moving to the end-step, not the end-step. Meaning if someone responds they're still in their second main.

@TheMartianBotanist

2 жыл бұрын

@@wedredwed000 nope, there's priority in the end step.

@bertdog2119

2 жыл бұрын

If the player who cast the Cyclonic Rift didn’t question it then he couldn’t have casted it during the end step. Because if he did he would’ve pointed that out. It is always important to remember we don’t hear the exact conversation the players are having so things may sound different to us then what actually happened The counterspell thing seems to be a legit mistake that didn’t really matter cause he still had a counterspell in hand.

Why wasn't Marie drawing cards off Tymna's ability??? At 30-something life you can afford the pings to try to draw into an answer to Zurgo...

@Marie-zg7lw

2 жыл бұрын

New player, new deck, forgotten triggers :) more mistakes to come

Rakdos charm is an unironic autoinclude in any of my decks that have red and black. Incredible card.

@jonathanstead5135

2 жыл бұрын

A similar card, but situational is batwing brume!

@bertdog2119

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly yeah it’s pretty amazing. Graveyard Hate, Artifact Removal, and Player Removal on a 2-mana card is really good. If someone were to say cast Triumph of the Horde you could actually kill them with infect. Pretty whacky stuff all together

First time seeing a death's shadow in commander

Nightscape Familiar just reduce the cost of Nekusar of 1 mana not 2

@mcfructix7688

2 жыл бұрын

Yah, the unique card who does this is Grand Arbiter Augustin IV who reduce by 2

@DakingofAP

2 жыл бұрын

Ya I was confused by that as well...

@MultrakSin

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say that too

@MultrakSin

2 жыл бұрын

It may have had a really great impact too in the game as he seems to have took advantage of it

@kaidenjohnson9108

2 жыл бұрын

It reduces both, same as the merrolk or wizard that do similar things

Nekusar was ahead since the beggining of the game and yet the others kept attacking each other and Just making his job easier

@thebeat467

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly it’s like they wanted him to win

@GuyofDoom

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't get the rivalry that started when Nech was clearly so far ahead.

@maisonfriedrichs4194

2 жыл бұрын

Came to say this exact thing.

@kaneo13

2 жыл бұрын

tbf the zurgo player wants to kill one person and if they are trying to kill you back it's not like you can ignore that. it was questionable that the tymna player was trying to fight zurgo with no clear answer to him.

@guilhermevillani3209

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaneo13 i believe that in a commander game you have to do whatever is necessary to keep the player who is more likely to win from winning, that includes changing your strategy and being more versatile, what we see right there can be Very frustrating for someone that's trying to have a good game of Magic

Nekusar ruling the game but Zurgo and Tymna kept slapping each other. What could go wrong?

@schwindelier1449

2 жыл бұрын

Good old match of Magic the Grudgering

@RJMM

2 жыл бұрын

The players hate each other personally. LOLz

Miss play on turn 3 for the Nekuar player. Nightscape Familiar's ability: If a spell is both blue and red, you pay 1 less, not 2 less.

Vesuva enters the battlefield tapped regardless of the land it's copying.

You know Prince of Thralls seems kind of similar to a recent magic card. Tergrid, God of Fright. You know as long as you ignore the 8 vs 5 mana, 3 color vs 1 color, and ability for opponents to choose what you get vs EVERYTHING. Or it can be Torment of Scarabs that lets you target more than 1 opponent, but with the added bonus of letting you win with infinite mana. It really makes you look at card design in the modern era.

@olafthemoose9413

2 жыл бұрын

You can't cheat tegrid out by playing another card and saccing 3 creatures tho. + Prince triggers from mill too

@damientalrose553

2 жыл бұрын

Prince of Thralls says any permanent an opponent controls that enters a graveyard from anywhere (including stuff they took control of). Tergrid, God of Fright requires that they sacrifice or discard nontoken permanents. Tergrid is definitely strong, but Prince is also strong. The two main balancing factors are paying life to mitigate the takeover and the mana cost. And, in commander, Tergrid can be your commander while Prince cannot. With all that taken into account, Tergrid is better. Edited for clarity.

I think Kilby and Marie shot each other's Spouses before the game. It's the only thing that makes any kind of sense for the amount of salt that was going down.

@Acepilot12345

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaooo

Sebastien definitely should've mulliganed that game.

@damientalrose553

2 жыл бұрын

Already had. Another would have put him down to 5 cards, and things might only get worse from there.

Damn, poor Sebastian with that really slow start, I honestly can’t believe his board got as big as it did and he survived that far! hahaha what a game though, I really loved Kilby and Marie just going at each other while Maxwell just chills and watches, great work as always Andrew 😁

Wanted to see a Tymna/Ikra deck in action & get ideas for building it myself, ended up watching two people have a confusing grudge match next to a Nekusar having the best game of his life, lol

@HannesMrg

Жыл бұрын

Same. Did you end up bildung it? Any Tips on cards you absolutely love in the Deck?

For commander, I've been telling the play groups I play with if you mulligan, draw 7 until you find a playable hand after shuffling your unwanted hand away.

@migsterman67

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, we do the same. It's a casual format and no fun if one player sits and does nothing. No fun for them and a lesser game for everyone else. And we've found no one ever abuses to draw a 'perfect' hand. Just a 'playable' one, as you noted

@maxbodifee3263

2 жыл бұрын

As long as you put away your 0 and 1 mana rocks when you do..

nekusar being the threat and everybody ignore him, if the other 3 players could have done some commander politics they could have remove the nekusar player and then battle it out till the end.

I put this on before bed instead of relying on melatonin. Thank you Mudd, your voice brings me rest

If i was in this pod i would of been bashing my head into the desk wondering why no one was attacking Nekusar. This must of been their first ever time seeing this commander, because the second most Nekusar decks have him out and gets 1 full turn, the game is often over.

Knigt deals 2 due to panharmonicon

I find it appropriate that in the end it all came down to a battle between undead kings over the same throne.

Hey Andrew. Great video. Love Zurgo. (Any luck finding jarad lich lord ?)

bro this dude in a new dimension playing death shadow in EDH

man, seb was really close despite his start

@johnaych8954

2 жыл бұрын

Not saying that's what happened here, but usually in my games the person who is in a really bad spot ends up coming back because everyone's ignoring them. Tbf it's their fault for keeping a one land hand lol

Nekusar decklist's link doesn't work, does someone have the correct link? I would like to check the list, it's pretty good! Thanks

So nice to see zurgo doing work

This is the exact style of Abzan counters / lifegain deck I was thinking of making, cool to see it in action / have the decklist for it!

@MTGMuddstah

2 жыл бұрын

Marie plays it again. The second game showcases the deck way better.

shouldn't nekusar cost 1 less to cast and not 2 less with nightscape familiar out? which means it should costed 4 not 3 to cast on the first time it was cast.

The 2 non-blue decks murdering each other first was just... so sad to see.

Yeah, by all means keep attacking each other and ignoring Nekusar. Nothing could possibly go wrong because of it, right?

@jamesklingensmith7529

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the endgame is the only reason this game even ended up on the channel, but good heavens does bad threat assessment ruin games like this. Beyond the fact that it's Nekusar and he'll just make the game miserable and win uncontested if given any amount of time to set up, but you're telling me a group of players saw a guy start with T1 land > Sol Ring > Signet and *didn't* consciously decide to make his life as difficult as possible from the get-go? What were they thinking?!

Why wouldn't max use swansong to stop utterend?

So do Marie and Kilby just hate each other? They threw away the game slapping each other and letting Maxwell build up unmolested

@NeoDMC

2 жыл бұрын

If everyone had proper threat assessment, EDH wouldn't be as fun as it is.

Good game!

Nekusar decklist link is broken?

The familiar only can reduce nekuzar cost by 1, no 2. Mystic sanctuary put the counter spell in the top, no hand

Omg deaths shadow in edh, now i have seeing everything

How did Sebastian cast the chupacabra at 11:15 with ward of bones out and more creatures?

@m.r.r.2636

2 жыл бұрын

I see 2 creatures on both sides: Resto Angel + Brago on Seb's side and Nekusar + whatever is besides him. It's fair. The Ward of Bones only disallows casting when the opponent already controls more creatures, which was not the case.

@gaelluevano9955

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.r.r.2636 Ah I see, they can advance one creature ahead of you but from that point are unable to cast more, got it.

love rakdos charm for those spicy finishes

didnt some of the permanents that were put into the graveyard meant to either be put on the battlefield under maxwell's control or have the opponents pay life to keep it into the graveyard?

5:34 how did Marie cast ikra with a tapped vesuva

Where can I get that version of anguished unmaking it’s metal as hell !!!!!

@loganmacdonald8924

2 жыл бұрын

It was a secret lair from December 2020

welp, i was super excited to see a Tymna/Shidiqi deck as I recently built them as well..... bummer

@MTGMuddstah

2 жыл бұрын

I filmed another game with the deck. It'll be out soon.

@royalfishness1

2 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah I kinda thought you might have. Looking forward to it :)

Isn't Nekusar's damaging ability when they draw considered commander damage?

@haramba506

2 жыл бұрын

It isn't.

Why is there no aminatou decklist?

Dear God please just draw your cards with Tymna! At 15 commander damage, but they don't pay 1 health to possibly draw an answer?? Literally never seen someone with Tymna decline to draw multiple turns in a row. Not even low hp.

6:38, peaceful looking card then enter death album cover lol

Happy to see partner commanders get taken out so quickly!

Mystic Sanctuary should of put the counterspell back on top of the deck and not straight to hand?

@Claciusvile

2 жыл бұрын

Never mind, seems like this got mentioned later on in the video >.< Maybe I should of waited until the end of the video to make this comment

@dichsedichse

2 жыл бұрын

Pleas remember that it is " should have" and not "should of". As a non native speaker i sat here for 3 minutes wondering what "of put the counterspell" means.

Rakdos charm is always a MVP

Sheoldred the apocalypse would be good with nekusar, I have her in my nekusar deck

Always nice seeing Tyman on the channel 👍

@MTGMuddstah

2 жыл бұрын

Tyman si teh bset.

@aidanhavey2368

2 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah this is factual

I love Soulherder, I even made a pauper commander deck around it

NICE PLAYMAT KILBY

Play to Win baby

That is one tanky crab :o

I think the nekusar player was misinterpreting nightscape familiar, as the first two times they played nekusar they paid 1 mana less than it should have costed. Familiar only reduces nekusar by 1 mana, not 2

Sebs keep was big time sus, but good on him for catching up though

I see Aminatou, I press like. Simple. I was really rooting for that deck to win; RIP.

here for ikra shidiqi its very hard to not slot him in every deck i can

Ah, good old Rakdos Charm...

Boy, I love the card that won the game in that way. They never see it coming

this end game xDD

Spite play spite play

What is threat assessment, really?

The nekusar player went unpunished for wayyy to long

My second commander game ever was a miserable one against Nekusar on a table that used minimal interaction, with everyone just trying to combo off first. Being I had a total budget deck, this wasn't fun, as my third turn had me taking 11 off of Nekusar deck's combo. Almost quit Commander due to that experience.

@ShiningCrimzon

2 жыл бұрын

Find a new table or group to play asap

@DAsrada

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShiningCrimzon yeah I did that. I never saw those guys since. Honestly I wonder if those guys just play to pubstomp.

That zurgo deck needs work

@DarkEinherjar

2 жыл бұрын

That Zurgo player needs better threat assessment.

nightscape familiar would only reduce nekusar to 4 cmc

how could sebastien have 3 creatures if ward of bones is on the field? he shouldnt have been able to chupacabra

@Vektor480

2 жыл бұрын

Ward of Bones stops you once you have more creatures. So if the controller of ward of bones has 2 creatures, you can cast your third, but then it stops you from casting any more.

THREAT.ASSESMENT.

What a weird game. I hope Sebastien thanked Maxwell for allowing him to play the game. Without those extra draws from Nekusar, Sebastien would've done nothing.

A little politics could have gone a long way with maybe" let's put a side the grudge for a moment and target the player with 5 mana turn 2?"

marie attacking kilby for no reason confused me so much, like what was the thinking there "Ill hit you with my 2/2 weenie knowing youll bitch slap me with your 7/2". weird game

lol 🙃 watching the Kilby and Marie both ignoring Maxwell while he builds up a huge board presence with Nekusar. Always. Kill. The Nekusar Player.

Don't say cedh when he used a diabolic tutor lmao

4 minutes 1st comment

Love this game despite the people complaining in the comments. I love all those strategies and commanders!

This game is painful to watch for several reasons... I can't finish this one.

This was kinda a dumb game. Two players got in a feud, the other got mana screwed, and Nekusar just got to build up unopposed. I play mostly aggro decks so I know you generally wanna take someone out quick, but that's only true if you have a way to actually kill the other opponents. If you laser focus one person over several turns you leave them no other option but to focus the majority of their resources fighting you, that's why I believe you SHOULD spread your attacks until you have enough power to kill someone in one or two turns. The other not so big brain move is not choosing Nekusar as your choice target in the first place. It's a defense heavy deck that focuses and killing you indirectly. With any defense heavy stax deck you're on a time limit to kill because late game it's gonna be extremely hard to get hits in as we saw as Nekusar constantly had a blocker to stick Zurgo and make him do nothing.

Technically, nekusar is the one dealing damage due to all the card draws. It should technically mean that everyone’s taking tons of commander damage throughout the entire game.

@MTGMuddstah

2 жыл бұрын

You aren't the first person to mention this, but sadly that's not how commander damage works. Rule 9 of the EDH / Commander ruleset states: "If a player has been dealt 21 points of *combat damage* by a particular Commander during the game, that player loses a game."

@Diagloth

2 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah ah, thank you for the clarification. I’m still quite new to commander, so it’s a bit confusing.

So many questionable choices... Keeping a one lander. 2 people hitting each other instead of a Nekusar that is way ahead not drawing of Tymna and some more others

@DrLawyerManLady

2 жыл бұрын

not to mention the lack of ramp in those opening hands

Hahaha I have a feeling this was a salty game

So is Sebastian just a bad player or something?

First

This was an awful game. The Esper deck couldn't even get anything going for 6 turns while the Zurgo and Tymna deck just kept aggressively slugging eachother while the Nekusar player is like "ok. yeah"

Why is nightscape familiar in EVERY nekusar deck but not in any other grixis deck lmfao

Always kill Nekusar first no exceptions!

Another Muddstah game where threat assessment is thrown off the cliff lol. Nekasaur sat there and watched you all kill each other. Some of these are getting less and less enjoyable with the stupid plays lol

this end game xDD