"German language looks so foreign" 😂 well yeah it's not English so it is foreign 🤣

@MoreJps

Жыл бұрын

I was emphasizing how crazy the words looked to me, or the lack of ease on the eye. But yes if it isn't English it's wrong! I mean foreign..excuse me..some of my inner American blurted that out

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

@@MoreJps Fore me that's everything cyrillic. Even stuff i can read. So no worries there. If you know some of the words it gets better.

@dansattah

Жыл бұрын

@@MoreJps Still pretty interesting because both English and German are "Germanic", specifically both of them belong to the "West Germanic" branch of the "Germanic language family".

@theodorheidhues2566

Жыл бұрын

@@MoreJps I find that very interesting as a German American I have noticed how similar they are. Linguistically speaking the basis of the English language is actually in German.

1st grade usually starts in the age of 6 and 'Gymnasium' ends with Grade 12 or 13, depending of the 'Bundesland'. Example: Born in march 2000, starting 1st grade in autumn 2006 and finishing 'Gymnasium' in summer 2018 or 2019 (age of 18 or 19). In case of going to university you start in october 2018 or 2019.

@TZBuer

Жыл бұрын

The thing is the cities and countries are broken, the federal states wound pay until the federal government in Berlin will give money too. So everybody is fighting each other. When I went to school in the 90s ever school building was already ugly and broke

Joel: “That is one of the most complicated school systems I’ve seen.” Me: “Who’s going to tell him about the French Educational System?”

@HuberHans

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps to top of with the Dutch Educational System? I'm a Dutch living abroad since my teens and still grapple with the explanations from other family members ... 🤯 Take care - Europe ⚘

The main reasons for the lack of digitalisation (in my opinion): 1) huge bureaucracy, meaning high restrictions by law, high data security/privacy, etc… the process for a school to buy computers in Germany is much more complex than in the us due to the bureaucracy I guess. 2) lack of political will in the responsible ministry during the merkel era. 3) Germans not trusting technology especially not giving out personal information and 4) the ridiculous and continuous fight between states and federal state about who is responsible for modernising schools that just annoys everyone.

@kexi9906

8 ай бұрын

Legit reasons! So 100% true!

The lack of digitisation here in Germany was a running gag when I was in school about 20 years ago already... Some things never change. From 2018 to 2021 I took a late vocational training (after studying at university; figured I was more of a "practical type", so to say) and couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I realised nothing much had changed since around 2005 AT ALL. Okay, we had flat screens... but that was about it. (I must confess I was kind of surprised by that already lol) One our teachers desperately tried to advance digitisation in this school at least, but when nothing's on your side (especially not the state's money), it barely matters how hard you try. Then the pandemic hit and let me tell you, except for like 2 or 3 teacher's subjects the "forced homeschooling" was nightmare material, ESPECIALLY shortly before exams. Some teachers almost entirely stopped "teaching" because they refused dealing with simple emails... And with all that, we were still LUCKY, for our teachers were willing to use the internet for that at all. I know that many schools, especially elementary schools afaik, didn't send materials home to students at all, but told them to come get their work sheets and everything from their teachers. (I know this is more complex and partly a way to make sure everyone could use the materials as not every family has the ability to print stuff for example, but this shows just another side of the German digitisation issue medal... sighs) This entire topic is something you can always dig into if you feel like you want a good reason to facepalm honestly. It's by far not "only" a school problem. Just especially there.

I have a German friend who lives near the "Bodensee" (Lake Constance) area of Germany, and he wanted to try an exchange program in the U.S. (He spoke fluent English in his HS.) I helped him to find an exchange program in Michigan which he LOVED. I saw his transcripts when he was applying, and I couldn't believe how rigorous his Catholic school was: he was taking classes like physics, chemistry, engineering, biology, etc. Needless to say, he KILLED it in Michigan and graduated in what would have been his junior year. Then he went back to Germany and graduated a SECOND time from the HS he had attended previously. Consequently, he got two diplomas in two years. He also earned his private pilot's license at the ripe old age of 15, mainly flying gliders. He decided to study with Lufthansa (the German airline) and he is working as a pilot in Germany now. I would say he's done rather well for himself in just the past few years!

@semiramisubw4864

Жыл бұрын

awesome story mate. Love to hear such things and when people working together no matter were they are. Greetings from Düsseldorf.

@leestevens4250

Жыл бұрын

@@semiramisubw4864 Danke sehr!! :) I love my German friends ^_^ Also, my mom worked for the Berlin Airlift after WWII and she loved her 2 years in Germany. :D

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

@@leestevens4250 My aunt still tells stories about her first canned peaces. Thank your mom for that one

@biankakoettlitz6979

8 ай бұрын

Some topics you must learn, depending in which school you are f.eks. Latin you learn just in a Gymnasium, but English you learn in Hauptschule, Realschule and Gymnasium. Physics and Chemistry you must learn, but you get used to it what you must learn or can choose to learn.

I’m a German student, currently in my final year, in about 2 months I have my Abiturprüfungen. And I wanted to share my experience since I feel like the video didn’t quite showed I’d right. For example I live in one of the richest school areas (near Frankfurt) and I can tell you digitisation is even worse in my current school. We don’t have Wi-Fi, we have different types of boards (which don’t function properly) in every classroom. Talking about digitisation I should also tell you that our computers shut down when we want to use a programme younger than from 2009 (2011 if your lucky). And our gym classes were cancelled due to the fact that there is no place where they could happen. On top of all that our school can not be heated in a proper way because the building, which is looking like it was build before the Second World War, is leaking the warm air in to the outside rather than the insight of the building. It was said to be taken down 5 years ago and to rebuild on a new spot, but this spot was sold by the city so now the school must stay in the way it is. But even with all that I have to say the school system is not the worst, because the teachers know how to teach in a way you can understand them and they really try to make their subjects more interesting. There really creative and supportive and need to be more acknowledged for that. I apologies if my English is not good enough but I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

@datJense

Жыл бұрын

That's a true and severe issue. I finished school 30 years ago, and some of the tools and equipment that was used those days I already considered old-fashioned. I know that a lot of this stuff is still in use... I hope that we'll have a government sooner or later that understands that an investment into our educational system is an investment into our future, while new highways may be the wrong approach

@Laurasophie236

7 ай бұрын

You don’t have WiFi ? That’s crazy

Those monitors and then you get Mercedes Benz, Audi, BMW. What?! The US and Oz have the same inequity issue.

I’m on a Gymnasium and in ninth grade. Every student from the eighth grade and up gets an IPad and students from fifth to seventh grade get an IPad in school that they have to share. So the technology is definitely better now. 😂

I was at a German Gymnasium until like 2017 and the PC cabinet looked pretty much like the one in the video. I doubt that this situation changed much during the last 5-6 years, especially facing the HUGE lack of money available for schools and education in general, lack of teachers and of course the pandemic. Which seemingly revealed how bad the digital hardware and software providing/ availability at German schools actually is.

@Serenity_yt

Жыл бұрын

The cabinets are still there although a lot more schools have at least attempted to put beamers in every room. (At least where I went to school and my siblings still go to)

@krakentoast

Жыл бұрын

My School was HAVELY "digitatalisiert" in the last three years. Everything is digital. Wifi in every room. PCs and gigantic touchscreens (not smartboards with a beamer) and tablets to work with are a normal thing in my school. Also I have never seen an overhead projector in my whole life. Btw. I'm born in 2008

Every country has a different system of education. I like the German/European model where not everyone is put in a college prep system. Students can go to a college prep secondary or a vocational secondary education.

Joel, are you sure that digitalization, important as it is,is the most important element of the education system? because the academic performance indicators favor Germany a lot more than the dismal digitalization place would suggest.

A few things on that video. 1. Digitalization: The biggest problem here is federalisation. You have wildely different schools. Basically if you go into a school in a wealthy comunity in Bavaria you might find a modern school with stat of the art equipment. In other schools the roof might collaps at any minute. The states defend their rights furiously, even where it makes no sense. So even if the federal government wants to help, they are prevented by states rights. 2: The separation of special needs kids: Without promoting or condeming it, the idea here was that you have special buildings and special trained personell to accomodate those needs. 3: A big advantage of the German system is its vocational training, which is dual. You go simultaniously to your apprenticeship with a company and study at a vocational college. So you get simultanously the theory and the practical side in one go.

Children who go to special schools (Förderschule) have problems learning in regular classes. That is why they are taught by special education teachers who have an extra degree for this. At these schools the teachers have more time to adress the children`s learning problems. If the children have developed well you can go back to regular classes. These children often have dyslexia, inreading spelling, or arithmetic. Sometimes they also come from families with problems , because of alcohol, drugs, etc. who need a lot of support. Unfortunately in Germany there is a shortage of teachers , especially in elementary schools which is very bad is , because the small children still have so much to learn.🙂

@energeticstunts993

Жыл бұрын

Germany heavily relies on foreign workers, would be great if Germany could make it a bit easier for foreign teachers to integrate into the German education system!

@blondkatze3547

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you.@@energeticstunts993

In Germny in 1994 Helmut Kohl had a friend from "kirchmedia". So he decided to invest in copper cable instead of fiber optic cable (what all experts wanted), because of corruption thingies... since then the exchange of these old copper cables still lasts and is proceed very slowly. that's why Germany completly missed the digitalization.

Do you know Feli from Germany and her KZread-Channel "Understanding Trainstation"? It is in English and there is an episode where she and her co-host Josh, who is American, did a comparison between the American and the German school system. You should definitely check it out, it is very interesting. I can also recommend her channel "Feli from Germany". She makes videos about all kinds of topics related to Germany and the U.S. It's also in English, but sometimes she speaks snd teaches a little bit of German, too. She is from Munich/Germany, which is the capital of Bavaria, but she lives in Cincinnati/Ohio.

One think to remind is that its proven in 1000 of studies that digitization isnt a benefit for developing brains. Digitalization with out the analog foundation is like a tree with out the trunk. You can get as much branches as you want but they are not gonna last very long with out the roots and the trunk

Back when I was in school here in Germany our "Computer Lab" was about 6-8 generations of pcs behind of what even I had at home and I didn't grow up wealthy by any means whatsoever ^^ Even nowadays for most bureaucratic things you still have to go in person and fill out like paper paperwork. Especially the lack of access of remote health services is very detrimental for some people.

Great reaction on that one. :-) The German school system really seems to be complecated if you didn't grew up with it. Btw. if German seems total gibberish to you, maybe RobWord's video "How anyone (including you) can read German" could help a little. Would love to see a reaction on that. :)

I 1000% agree to your summary. The German school system is lost in digital ancient times. Grew up on country side and my school was "Hauptschule". We had a good teacher in Informatics teacher which was rare in the 1999's. Best equipped schools were and still are Gymnasium. High Education.

@lynnm6413

Ай бұрын

I went to two Gymnasiums, Schwelm and Wuppertal, and neither one had an informatics class when I graduated in 2000

Well, ... i attended a german school (Gymnasium) in the 90s and we already had computers and internet. We had a libary, a garden, sport arenas, a swimming area (the young Franziska van Almsick trained there for the Olympic Games) and so on ... So I am not sure about "this school" in the video. Might be different from region to region!? o_O

Germany has procrastinated over 3 or 4 decades in terms of investment in infrastructure development. It was best practice for at least 30 years to not invest in infrastructure and cut costs while repairing the bare minimum possible. That includes information technology as well. Even the buildings are mostly old and outdated. my former headmaster painted the whole school by himself in the summer vacation. It was that hot that he had to stop before noon because of the toxic vapors. Sonderschulen or Förderschulen are schools for people with special needs or named disabilities. There is no need for integration or inclusion in the regular environment. Most of them work their whole lives in sheltered workshops. It is critizised and Germany wants to keep that system as long as possible while claiming the opposite. It is our backbone of low-wage industries. I work in this sector and know it relatively well. These workers build things together, measure and pack it like their counterparts in the first labor market. But they are sheltered and supervised. For these people doesn't apply rules of labor law. They are treated specially and have advantages and disadvantages from it. The payments are highly critizised as dumping. They earn in average 80 to 130 Euro (US$ 90 - 150) per month - or 2 to 3 Euro per hour.

@lynnm6413

Ай бұрын

They have also a lot of benefits, like social workers for official problems, all the social extra programs that cost money…I think it is a very fair exchange. My brother is autistic, and my parents pushed him to get Realschulabschluss, Führerschein and a Bürokaufmann Ausbildung, ….and he still never got integrated into the 1st workers market. He is quite happy at his workshop, even though it is hard for him to find empathy for other people‘s impairments.

You don't need tech to get a good eduction but online resources are useful! Phones in class are a distraction to my mind though. I am surprised you're so surprised though, schools having low grade tech is such a common thing it's almost normal to me

@rascalnz9983

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Indeed, digital devices can inhibit learning and socialization. Parents and teachers should protect young children from excessive exposure. The internet is not a substitute for good teaching.

@MoreJps

Жыл бұрын

I agree I think it was just shocking considering what I expected

Our school had an exchange program with a Gesamtschule so that word is familiar to me, a fellow non-German speaker.

In Grundschule (grade 1-4) you're usually between 6 and 10 years old. After that, it splits into the three tier system she mentions: - Hauptschule (grade 5-9) you'll most likely finish at age 15, then do some kind of vocational training. - Realschule/ Regelschule (grade 5-10) you'll finish at the age of like 16. - Gymnasium (which is basically the American high school) goes from class 5- 12/13 and you'll most likely finish at age 18 or 19. Many teenagers then go to a university. Of course you can also switch from Hauptschule to Realschule (which are mostly the same school anyways) or from Realschule to Gymnasium. In the last case, you'd have to repeat year 10 at the Gymnasium. In 2003, there was a rampage at a Gymnasium in Germany where an ex student attacked pupils and teachers at his former school because he didn't pass the Abitur exams and therefore had no graduation. That's why the BLF exams ("Besondere Leistungsfeststellung") were introduced at Gymnasiums at the end of year 10 so that if you pass them, you'd get a graduation equivalent to the Realschulabschluss. So if you quit Gymnasium early or don't pass the Abitur, you'll still have a graduation. Also, after finishing year 11 at a Gymnasium, you automatically get your "Fachabitur", which allows you to study at a so-called "Fachhochschule" (University of Applied Sciences).

@Shanks863

Жыл бұрын

It depends on were you are , some Grundschulen going from grade 1-6

@datJense

Жыл бұрын

That's a pretty good approach. I've been lucky, growing up in the GDR, having my Abitur exams in 1993, we've had in interim examination after year ten, so in case we failed Abitur, we at least had the Realschule-degree

Hey, old monitors? That's sustainability! The function of old and new is the same, the rest is design and needless features for this specific purpose.

Im from Germany and I think the biggest obstacle and the reason why those have so bad equippment is the bureaucracy and overall adminastration of the state. In Germany one of the biggest problems/obstacles are all the rules & bureaucratic processes you need to follow and wait for, when you want to do literally anything. So fo example some german schools easily have the money & competence to modernize but its way to tedious to go through al the paperwork to actually do that.

Please keep in mind: Her reports thrive on presenting simple facts in a complicated and ironic way. The school system is really not that difficult. From 6 to 10 years, in grades 1 to 4, all children - except severely mentally handicapped children - visit Elementary Schools (Grundschulen) very close to their parents' house, often in their own village or neighborhood. Here they learn the basics. The handicapped children visit the Förderschule - because school is mandatory. From 11 to 15/16, when the children are more independent they visit the secondary school one / Sekundarstufe I, similar to Junior High. Either in the three-tier school system Hauptschule, Realschule, Gymnasium or at a Gesamtschule / comprehensive school. A distinction is made according to learning levels, - also in the comprehensive schools, which then also subdivide the main subjects (German, Math, English and the second foreign languages German children must learn). Very good and good students, who learn fast and easy, go to grammar school. Pupils who need a little more time and support or know, they will never go for an academic job, visit the Realschule to the 10th grade. They leave this school with a graduation, the Realschulabschluss or after a few exams with Mittlere Reife. And children who are more practical and less academically gifted go to the Hauptschule to the 9th grade, they leave their school also with a graduation, the Hauptschulabschluss or after a few exams the Qualifizierter Hauptschulabschluss - maybe you can translate it as Junior High School-Diploma. Compulsory education FOR ALL doesn't end with 9 or 10 years. Hauptschule and Realschule students can also switch to the Gymnasialen Oberstufe / the senior High School at grammar school after their graduation, - if they have the appropriate grades. If not, they start with an apprenticeship, then they attend the Berufsschule / job-related school or better college parallel to their work for at least two days a week. This is mandatory! Those who neither attend upper school nor do an apprenticeship must attend also a job-related school, but full time. 13 years of school are mandatory in Germany, you can skip one year if you get the highest graduation, the Abitur after 12 years.

Please watch more videos about the German school system then you will see that it is not so bad because it is almost free for the students, at least studying at a university costs nothing, even for foreigners!

Who wants to tell him that we still use overhead projektors sometimes every day... In Germany schools

@lynnm6413

Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

As you move away from Anglo-American cultures and systems, regardless of country, you'll find it easier to not assume everything will be like US, questioning why it isn't the same, and treat it more as a learning exercise free from assumptions. You'll find you absorb and understand a bit more. US is a definite outlier with many facets of its society in the world.

@alansmithee8831

Жыл бұрын

@sang froidian. We learned in German class, in UK school, how this system was based on UK education of the 1940s, with US and UK as occupying countries. We learned about the UK education it was based on, in UK social and economic history. In history prior to this syllabus we covered the US revolution and how this led to a federal government. Then in German we learned how the Lände were federal entities, based on US states. Modern Germany, which took in the former eastern part, is an Anglo-Saxon construct, deliberately designed stop Wagner and friends' vision of a powerful unified Germany, so not so foreign as first impression.

German and English are pretty close, though, kinda becomes more obvious even, if you know Dutch/ or any type of Westfalian Lower German ;) They both sound like a perfect middle ground between German and English. Also, kindergarten is regular for like ages 3 to 6, Grundschule starts at age 6, divying students into the different school forms usually is somewhere in class 4 or 5, so around age 10-11. Class 10 is like when you're around 15-16, The three or two additional years will have you get your Abi around 17-18 or something ;)

The thing with the digitalization is still a problem, but it also highly depends on where you go to school. I live in the state of Bavaria, which in itself is the or one of the richest states in Germany, but I also went to a very very good secondary school. On this end I have to add that it had newly built classrooms that opened during the pandemic (when we went to school again) and the old ones were renovated shortly after the pandemic started. Toilets where also very clean and modern. We had whiteboards and Beamers as well as document cameras. Our computer room had good computers. Wifi was only accessible via time-restricted codes and those codes were only given when needed for school work. Consequently, the WiFi was very good when used. During the pandemic, most schools used the same program for online lessons and documents. They had a lot of issues with that, or so I heard. My school had it's own cloud for documents which worked incredibly well. Right now I go to another school for further education in the same city district and it is similarly modern. Note that this is NOT the norm and can even differ from city district to city district rather than region or states. I went to two other secondary schools in a city 60km away from the city I now live in, and I can say that it was a bit less modern, but I heard that they received more funds to change that. As I said, this highly depends on the region you're in, as every state is responsible for its own school system and this a lot of the time means that richer states get better schools because of, well, more money. Another thing she addressed was the time of school. A school hour is 45mins, yes, but the school day does not necessarily end always at 1pm and afternoon hours are common depending on the type of school and education. (I can only speak of Bavaria right now) For example, in the first year you typically can go home after 4 hours or 11:15am if school starts at 8am (Some start earlier or later, but 8am is the norm). Breaks are given after every 2h and they typically last 15min (one of my schools had one 10min and one 20 min break, so this can vary too between schools, but 15min is the norm). You have more hours the higher your grade, so 2nd graders have some 4h days and some 5h days ending at 12:15 pm. At grade 4 you typically have till 1am. Starting at 5th grade you could have afternoon classes once a week ore more, continueing till graduation. At grade ten you will most likely have 2-3 times afternoon classes. Afternoon classes start at 13:45pm after a noon break, and typically last till 15:15pm but can last till 17pm if you have a really packed schedule, but this is not common. We of course get vacation time too, but this also varies from state to state (but not from region to region). We call vacation time "Ferien". There is: Autumn vacation, 1 week ~October Christmas vacation, 2 weeks DZ/JAN Carneval vacation, 1 week ~FEB/MAR Easter vacation, 2 weeks ~April Pentecost vacation, 2 weeks ~June Summer vacation, 6 weeks ~JUL-SEP However, those dates only apply to Bavaria and students from, let's say, Schleswig Holstein might have summer vacation starting in June and not July. And they also might not have Autumn vacation at all, but school instead. We here in Bavaria have all of these vacations though.

@energeticstunts993

Жыл бұрын

As a Berliner and currently going to the school in one of the more richer district in Berlin, shit I'm jealous! my school has a no phone rule and tech is looked down upon. We're constantly bombarded with "tech bad" by teachers, most of them are older about to retire. Many teachers don't have a clue on how to operate a smart board and often use a third party cloud service, a different one to the official cloud service of our school to give out homework, which is such a hassle for us students, since not only is Lernraum (the third party cloud service) very badly optimized, it runs into major issues when it comes to maintaining order and having a neat place to upload/download files but because of the constant distrust of Microsoft teams, we constantly have to deal with teacher using some other "non-related" services. I got screamed at for simply having my headphones around my neck... I still don't understand why to this day. It's such a waste, honestly and I'm not at all enjoying my school life

@eiskaltefanta

Жыл бұрын

@@energeticstunts993 Sounds bad. I'm going to a "Fachoberschule". It's a school to get your "Abitur" after 3 years or your "Fachabitur" (A Fachabitur is a "worse" Abitur that let's you study in only only the field you made your Fachabitur in, such as economics or tech). Same equipment as my old school, also very nice looking building actually. Wifi is accessible without restrictions, but you don't always have a good connection and it's kinda slow. As I am using a tablet to study, I prefer to use my phone Hotspot. Teachers also don't care if your phone is lying on your desk, as long as you aren't constantly on your phone, except the history teacher, she doesn't like it in general. But she's pretty cool tbh and teaches her lessons pretty interesting. School uses Webuntis for time tables and if you are sick you have to use Webuntis to tell the school. You can also upload what the homework is and when it's due to specific lessons (usually the next). Nice way to see what the homework is. It's very uncomplicated and convenient. Works as it should, no complaints on this front. We also have teams but we don't really use it for anything other than the German teacher uploading sheets for the tablet users so that we can download them. Other classes may use it more. Communication outside the lessons are done via Outlook (We could also use teams but... nah), announcements from the school are also made via Outlook. Teachers send reminders or updates via Outlook. And we have to look at Outlook as me might miss important information. Sad to hear that it is this backwards in Berlin, even in a richer district. I hope it gets better in the future.

The reason why schools in Germany are so poorly equipped is that the state has been failing for years. While the private sector is efficient and competitive, the state institutions are unfortunately a disaster.

Quote from one of our politicians:"The Internet is a new territory for all of us." „Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland“ Angela Merkel, 2013. Today? Still the same.

I think that must be one of your longer outros Joel. I think the system sounds a little like the system of secondary education that was planned after WW2 in the UK but was never really implemented. The tripartite system, with specialist schools for academic children, for teaching technical skills, and a more general education at the third. I wasn't surprised at the digitalisation thing, I have heard before that Germany has focused on analogue technology, and is not as advanced as you would expect in rolling out digital infrastructure. Here is a video on that kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZ59t6idc87blaQ.html

Happy Australia Day from Oxford UK!

I learned programming in the 90s (common algorithmic language/COMAL) so we were equipped.

@dirkspatz3692

Жыл бұрын

In my School (Northrhine-Westphalia) in the mid to end 80s I learned computer-science (Informatik in German) with old NCR (CP/M as OS) "All-In-One" PCs and Programming with Pascal.

Germany is actually really behind when it comes to modernisation generally.

hey mate, - you're on the money with this one - good that you've put in some input at the end of video. some interesting stuff from this one but I suspect with learning stuff - it is what it is! Cheers mate!

The digital equipment in most public schools is really absolutely poor or non-existent. That's why more and more children are going to private schools, some of which are very expensive. These schools can only afford parents who also have enough money. Children from poor families are therefore really disadvantaged. Apart from that, the general school education is very high compared to US. There is a lot of emphasis on educating students in all relevant subjects, like history, languages, politics, natural sciences or geography. Another important point is that in Germany every student has to learn English as a first foreign language (usually from the 3rd grade). If you go to a "Gymnasium", you also often have to learn Latin (or Spanish, French, Russian, Chinese). At a "Gymnasium", you have to take two foreign languages, and you have English until you graduate from high school (Abitur).

Requirement for college is an Abitur. In order to get one you must go to school Al least 12 years. Usually you’ll be around 18-20 when entering college

The reason why they didn‘t agree digitalisation because they thought at first that it will ruin the kids learning and adfects their performance but nowadays they were force to digitalize due to covid and provided apple tablets to each kid today

as someone in the teaching business (although at university level), I can only say that separating children by their learning abilities has its pros and cons, obviously. As a pro, you can teach the same stuff to everyone at different speeds and in more or less depth depending on where or how much they will need said knowledge later in their work life. So, someone who early on does not have academic interests and will most likely end up quitting school after grade 9 or 10 and become a mechanic or a hair dresser or some other vocational training, may need basic maths, but won’t need to study in depth about mitosis and the solar system, whereas someone who will more likely continue education after school, may need to learn a second or third language, and, generally, on a level that prepares him/her for university. If everyone with every skill level is in the same class, a teacher must find a middle ground, so that the highly qualified might be bored and the more disinterested might struggle. In the U.S., you also have extra credit classes for overachievers and tutorials and programs for children underperforming, don’t you?!

You don’t go to college after grade 10. you have to get your Abitur (name of the highest school degree) that you get after grade 13, at wich point you would be between 18 and 20 years old.

Great video. Actually one tpye of schools was missing, from which I don't know, if it exists in the US: Berufsschule (english word would be vocational school). This is the school Germans have to visit during their apprenticeship.

I love your German reaction!

Germany is not a land flowing with milk and honey, even if people always claim or think that it is. We have many problems to work on. Digitalization of schools and offices (we still use fax), renewal of infrastructure such as railroads and highways. There is a lot to do but it is getting slow. And yes: Thanks to Covid, unfortunately

In the UK the last year of proper school is year 11 which is age 15-16 after that you do further education or vocational courses or 6th form between 16 and 18 then get a job or go on to university, so I'm guessing it'll be similar in Germany.

@skylinwinter5970

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In grade 9 (Hauptschule) you’re usually 15 years, In grade 10 (Realschule) 16 and when you get your Abitur in grade 12 you’re 18, when you get it in grade 13 you’re 19

@davebirch1976

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@@skylinwinter5970 so age size, grade 10 is roughly the same as our year 11 in the uk which is the same as the American 10th grade

@t.a.k.palfrey3882

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I cannot agree that in the UK the final year of "real school" is year 11. This would suggest that those who sit A levels are not at a genuine school. Most students who sit A levels (or Certs in Scotland) still do so at school 6th forms (years 12 and 13). Yes, 6th Form colleges account for 16 percent of those at yrs 12/13 and some sit A levels at community colleges, but Secondary schools and senior schools still account for most teenagers during these final two years. Most secondary schools run from ages 11/12 to 18, and senior schools from ages 13 to 18.

@skylinwinter5970

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@@davebirch1976 I guess

@davebirch1976

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@@t.a.k.palfrey3882 what I meant was after year 11 you can choose weather to do 6th form or go to college and do a vocational course. But that was when I was at school in the late 80s early 90s, it's only recently that they've brought in having to stay in education (school for a levels or college for vocational courses) until you're 18

In my schooltime we had in our Primary school in our classroom a computer with windows XP. And after then in my higher classes we had all a PC with Internet in a separate room.

My German nephew (at that time 10 years old) had to help his teacher with setting up a zoom account for the remote sessions during COVID 😭😂

I’m certainly not fluent in German, but did find it surprising easy to learn the basics. There’re a lot of similarities between it and English (English is a German language with some French and Latin on top). German grammar is a lot more complex though! We undervalue just how much words not being gendered (except personal pronouns) simplifies things.

@DidrickNamtvedt

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English is a Germanic language, not a German languange. Only the language spoken in Germany, Belgium, Switzerland and Austria is called German. But German is a Germanic language, just like English, as I guess that's what you meant to say.

@ibb33

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@@DidrickNamtvedt Don‘t tell that to swiss people. We don‘t like our language being called a german dialect. Although it technically is but shhhhh

I would tend to agree with what you said about Special Schools, Joel, but the same way we learned that Germany still has Special Schools for disabled students, also still exists in the UK as well, though there has been a movement to move disabled kids into mainstream schools as well in the UK. Don't know if there's a video out there explaining that if you'd like to react to it on your other channel, but I have had experiences with both systems (I've been paralysed and have used a wheelchair to get round since I was 3), and so went to a special school in Northern Ireland, UK, from when I was 5-7 but then spent the rest of my education in mainstream, which I loved, and I know other wheelchair dependent people who's parents fought for them to do the same. Saying that, there are also some non verbal disabilities out there, as well as others as well who cope well in the Special School environment, and there families would fight for Special Schools to stay around.

lol, the thing with the computer/monitors just makes me laugh. You have to understand that the whole universal computer connectivity and availability is relatively new. I don't think I was even on the internet until 2001 (my first e-mail address has a 2001 timestamp in the name...and I think it's similar to the AOL one I had (though I moved on to Yahoo).. When I was in secondary school (ages 12 to 17) was back in the mid to late 70s. Our whole school had ONE computer which hardly anyone had access to...in fact I only saw it in my last year or so at school (1979-1980) - we actually learned a little bit or programming, well it was hacking a game to cheat on it. Then it was Sinclair ZX computers at home until Atari-520 came out and then the big jump to a PC...with a 'turbo' button (bet you have to look that up!). Think about this....no thumb drives, no CDs or DVDs and hard disks of maybe a few hundred megabytes. My UPGRADE to 16MB of RAM cost me around 400 pounds at the time. The progression of computer technology is not easy for schools to keep up with considering their budgets.

@DidrickNamtvedt

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Yeah, and the monitors from the 90's were even bigger than the ones in the above video, they were absolutely humongous! The monitors in the video are slightly dated yes, but still slim and more modern looking than the monitors found in the 90's.

@neilfleming2787

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@@DidrickNamtvedt yeah, the old CRT ones were big but the ones I saw in my first job were IBM mainfarme ones and were all metal cased and weighed probably twice what the PC CRT ones were. The ones in the video I believe I had in the last 10 years maybe...though not sure how long I've had my nice BENQ ones.

The thing with the system is, it doesn’t seem super complicated because you handle it step by step. What she didn’t make very clear is, that there are basically 2 types of gymnasium: the first few years run parallel to real and Haupt Schule. After year 10 you automatically get the same degree the Realschule gets for passing their final exam, without taking a final exam, you just need to pass 10th grade. After that you’re able to go to the Oberstufe (higher level) wich can be part of a larger gymnasium but also it’s own self governed school all together (that way you don’t have kids running around your school). Realschule students can also go there if they’re grades qualify them.

Don't worry. Germans hate their school system too. The monitors in the video were actually good compared to giant cube monitors some schools still had 10-15 years ago xD

Great video Joel. 76/78 in digitalization?!? Wow, that's counterintuitive to me for Germany. Your reactions were right on point; well done! I like your insight (as usual!). Here, education is a provincial responsibility managed at the county/regional level. The provinces work to keep equivalent to each other. University and college acceptance and student performance are useful metrics in assessing the K-12 curriculums across the country. Usually, there are three streams in high school, university level, college level, trades level. Special needs are inclusive for the very reasons you stated. John in Canada

@johnfisher9816

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@@ichbinbluna3504 Actually, there are more than one would think, but they're often overlooked or absorbed by US industry - our industries and economies are almost inseparably intertwined. Many of our brightest minds go south for the opportunities in the US. NASA's space program is a good example of the "brain drain" from Canada beginning in the late 1950's. It's the same with Hollywood actors. We are always surprised at the number of celebrities who are actually Canadians.

@peterpain6625

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@@johnfisher9816 Thats for sure. Some americans love to take the credit for "everything from north america". Even when the only "halfway decent" democracy is Canada ;) (yeah i know the usa is a "federal presidential constitutional republic". Even if the mango messiah and his minions kinda broke that ;))

There’s also Sekundarschule in Germany which i didn't hear from her explanation which is the high school i think in USA

seems like many people from other countries think that germany is quite high tech,. Maybe somewhat back in the day yes, but nowdays not really. The government still uses fax machines instead of internet and e-mails and when I was in school, everyone already had Win 7 on their pc's at home but at the school there were still using either Win 98 or Win XP and the pc's were soooo slow they took forever to even boot up.

I went to realschule first. No wifi, old pc's but then I got my abitur at a berufschule where we had mac and good pc.

The assumption that good access to the internet equals good educational outcomes is nonsensical. If it was true, the United States would lead the world in education quality, which it doesn’t.

Hello, thank you for the great video and for your honest reaction. There is still a lot to do in Germany. For me, the most interesting comments are the ones that show where improvements can be made. When you live in a country and grew up there, you don't always see the problems right away. So don't sugarcoat things and stay honest :)

Oh those "monitors" are not all in one. There is a DVI cable going to the underside (white plug). I guess, they are typicalls FHD screens (1980x1200 or so). But at least they are flat screens. Fundamental knowledge (needed for engineering) is typically learned best from books. Those things did not change that much in the last 100 years. Germany spends about 160 bln each year on education. In total 10 mio pupils are in Germany. That's about 16k per student and year.

Joel, you have to remember that prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, Germany 🇩🇪 has been playing catch up with the rest of the world. East Germany wasn't as well developed as the more affluent Western Germany was. Meaning that East Germany was poor and needed more money 💰 from Western Germany to enable it to compete with the rest of Germany. Consequently this has had a knock-on effect with regards to technology and technological advancement, hence why you see outdated computer and IT systems. Because Western Germany spent all its extra available financial resources on propping up the poorer East Germany coupled with the continued ongoing economic growth decline in East Germany due to a plethora of outdated technologies that frankly belong in a museum they're that old. Reunification of East and West Germany has proven to be a very costly move in terms of potential for economic growth initially. The video from the German DW doesn't actually state where in Germany these schools that they featured in their presentation were from. Hope that helps to answer your question Joel.

@michaelk.9949

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German reunification was 32 years ago. That is not the reason. There is enough money. However, the state is acting very inefficiently. A lot of money is spent, but the result is very poor.

As far as digitalisation is concerned, we are still a third world country. I studied computer science about 30 years ago, but today digitalisation is often still poor, or simply very expensive!

Hello Joel. A lot of this was still like when I learned about it in English school German lessons in the 1980s. The schools were set up a bit like the British model from the 1940s, which was good at the time (my parents left at 14 just before it). Germany seems not to have moved on by the look of it. Can you see why British people were concerned about other parts of EU and why so many from other countries wanted to get their kids into British schools? That led to issues of provision here. Those who champion multi party coalitions often omit the beaurocracy and inertia, or in simple terms meetings about meetings. Despite my parents leaving school so young, I went to university and the first person I met there became a government minister. British schools did start getting into problems after comprehensive education led to standards becoming a political football, but then they had to do something, even if it is still not perfect. The thing that used be said was that vocational education remained a focus in Germany, but the workplace moves so fast now that the best thing is to learn how to learn quickly via Information Technology (your thing), so as to adapt and not get stuck in set ways. That does not mean plumbers will not still be well paid though.

@alansmithee8831

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@@ichbinbluna3504 Those people who were concerned would say the tide was turned in UK schools for chronic underinvestment in the 1990s, but that so many people arrived in a short time and schools struggled to cope since. I said it was not perfect. I helped my Polish colleague move in, so his daughter could come, then his wife, but he noticed this, so I am only going off what happened, not taking sides. I grew up in a street of people from all over Europe, I stayed with a family in Frankfürt my girlfriend's family had a house in Spain and Austria and she is half Irish. I worked for a Dutch company and had to go there to compare notes. I try to see it how it is.

We have special needs schools here in Scotland too. We speak gibberish too mind you 🤣 No surprise that Germans could understand many Scots prisoners during the war

Regarding your question: a typical age in the first class of primary school or „Grundschule“ in germany is around 6 years old. Sometimes the kids are 5 or 7 depending on there date of birth and there mental devopment. In all states except for berlin (which is both a city and a state) primary school ends after 4th grade (6th in berlin). after that you go to one of the three school types, mostly depending on your grades, although its not a strict rule but more like a recommendation. depnding on the school type you can get different diploma. the most valuable diploma called „Abitur“ is earned in „Gymnasium“ and also qualifies for applying at universities. for this you have to visit school from 5th to 12th grade instead of 10th grade for the others. therefore beeing around 18 years old when graduating. And the other and much more important topic: The seperation of these special needs kids. Thats really awful.. actually theres a real discussion about that and as far as i can tell (i‘m studying primary school pedagogy) the most agree that inclusion is the way to go. But the gouvernance system is really slo, cause the leaders of every state in germany has to meet at the „Kultusministerkonferenz“ and discuss everything and agree on changes in the curriculum etc. The reason for this complicated process is that after the Nazis they made it part of our constitution, that education shouldn‘t be regulated by a single institution. It‘s a little bit like americas checks and balances. But the education aka the kids are suffering under these conditions. I think its sad that the public isn‘t angrier about this. it‘s almost as most have given up on this topic and just excepted it. Tho recently there are protests under the name „Schule muss anders“ which roughly translated means „school has to change“. Don‘t get me started on digitization… 🙃 Thanks for your videos! I think you really found a nice niche there. This kind of content is a great distribution to the cultural exchange between nations.

9:49 'okay, so this video was shocking.' education has been designated within the jurisdiction of the lander (federal states) by the federal constitution. they have to pay the teachers, provide funding for most of the running costs (including around 90% of teacher's salaries employed at 'private' or independent schools while the local governments (cities, county districts) have to provide and maintain school buildings. trouble is, for decades many states and local authorities in most states have been having difficulties to cough up enough money while the federal government usually has money to spare but faces legal limitations to step in the badly adjusted distribution of tax revenues caused massive issues in other fields too - like the judiciary and police forces. the states need a greater share of the tax revenues to finance their purview at the expense of the federal government but the chances of that happening are low

The school i've graduated from is named after an lesser known american criminal/con-artist. Quite hilarious in hindsight.

If you are inerested in how similar german and english actually are, you should try "How anyone (including YOU) can read German" by "RobWords"

The digitization of schools in Germany is really a massive problem, which unfortunately won't be solved anytime soon. Not enough money is being made available, or it is being used in the wrong way. The bureaucracy in Germany is also an absolute fact here. A romantic point can be that we Germans love paper so much (inventor of printing, as you learned). When digitalization started in offices (e-mail etc.) the need for paper increased in many offices here. Reason: you get an email, what do you do? You...print...it...and file it. Sad but true. I hope we get a handle on this as soon as we can. PS: Cool videos! Keep up the good work! Greetings from Germany

6:12 In grade 10 students are typically 15 to 16 years old.

Digitalisiation is basically non existent in Germany. For a country that developed it’s a big joke but most people really don’t see the need and would rather stick to everything as they know it. It’ll change tho. Just takes time as everything here

Yep digitalization is a joke here Thanks to one politician which wanted to stay on copper instead of building glass fibre in the 80s. When i attempted the Berufsschule later on, we still had old ass PCs, it was an IT course i was taking for 3 1/2 years.. yet we had PCs with literally 2-4gb ram, old intel pentium processors from the museum and also a 16k internetconnection which was for the whole school. We had 8 PC rooms and well.. you can guess how good the internet was. We loaded stuff at home and brought it to school. Also it was funny to emulate Windows 7 on this PC. The freaking mouse was even lagging brutally. Yet i finished it some years ago with decent grades. It was a nightmare actually with the PCs, which we used daylie for 3-5 hrs. We just adapted and well.. did our stuff. I remember the first time we had BEN ( OS and networks hours) our Teacher said when the break came in that we shouldnt lock our PCs. We came back after the break and there was a windows admin passwort in it. The first thing we learned was to bypass it without any help from the teacher. I will never forget that. The teacher alone was awesome af, he was literally 65, bit fat but he had some awesome jokes and insults which were better than mine in that time, which ive seen impossible coming from the worst school in the region.

@semiramisubw4864

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one awesome thing i forgot aswell.. We bypassed the teachers restrictions which he lead from the "main" PC into us with limiting internet usage etc etc.. Everytime we finished the work we got, we boted up Counter strike 1.6 from the USB stick and played it against our other class nearby. Played it on Virtual box so the teacher couldnt see we believed, we had some great matches against our other brotherclass. Funny enough we thought we were safe.. the Teachers of the 2 classes literally joined us in the match lol.

Well, we didn't have Latin. I think that's more likely in schools that also have a teacher who can offer Latin. That was also the case with French. We had a classmate who had to go to another school for 2 hours because the school had a French teacher. We didn't have religion or politics either. In the baccalaureate, I took law, technical practice and information processing after the regular subjects like business administration, history, German, chemistry. The class was divided up for other subjects. (Biology, Economics). After the 6 hours we had 2 hours of sport. Judo, basketball or golf. We would have liked to have ice hockey, too, but the ice rink had just been built at that time, so we couldn't offer it. I took English from grade 5 to grade 13. Spanish, on the other hand, was only offered from grade 11 to grade 13/1. (First semester). My schoolway Was simple for example. Primary school (1 - 4 ), Realschule secondary school 1 grade (5 - 10) and after then Abitur (11 - 13).

no, she was absolutely right, Germany and Digital Teknology- 2planets meet each other (German saying, when something is like in that video😁)

I still don't know why we're so bad at digitalization. I think it's because Germans are ironically not a fan of technology. There's an image of a Google street view map on Reddit where all of Europe is covered but Germany and Austria were blank spaces. But it feels to me as if we're finally catching up, a bit. My Gymnasium had new Windows 10 PCs, smartboards for the class room, Displays to show the news (like when a teacher is missing for a subject what you have instead), decent WiFi. And we also had programming courses with little programmable robots and Arduino. During Covid we also got a platform to learn and communicate with teachers with. So it's not all bad. My best guess is that it's both the aforementioned privacy concerns, that they don't think the money is worth investing in and that the politicians simply don't value technology enough. You can see it in the other comments here as well, barely anyone is speaking about it. They simply don't care a big deal about it 🥴😄

@energeticstunts993

Жыл бұрын

German teachers are well known for absolutely hating new tech. It's so frustrating, in Abi (11th-12th grade), you're allowed to use digital devices for note taking. I like digital because It's more orderly and I can look at my notes through my phone because everything is connected but I'll still get teachers having such a sour taste about these devices. Especially when I am running late to class, simply still having my earphones in my ear is already a reason for huge controversy, it's embarrassing! Germany is so well known for looking down on technology and it's such a waste! These devices can truly be useful if you know how to integrate them into your curriculum. Side note: my friend's school had a paper hanging on the front building asking teacher not to write with markers on the smart boards! XD

@buecherdrache1

11 ай бұрын

The Google street view thing isn't because of technology but because of privacy. Both the nazis and the gdr (ddr) used information and spying to control their citizens and stop them from forming groups, spread information and rebelling. This lead to Germany putting a bigger emphasis on data protection and privacy, which is also one of the reasons many people still use a lot of cash. Lack of digitalisation is more just due to underfunding, lack of additional education for teachers (and many teachers don't want it either) and bureaucracy slowing everything down.

Digitalization doesn't mean, that people are smarter.

@AP-RSI

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But it makes things easier!

Our schools lack digitalization, that wasn't wrong.

Since I work as a teacher in Germany I can say digitalisation is still bad in Germany but since the pandemic there was a higher budget for those things. But digitalisation doesn’t make everything better some things got worse in my opinion.

One factor why German schools have poor & outdated facilities is that of the countries you have featured Australia, Norway, the US and Canada each spends around 6.0 percent of GDP on education, the UK 5.8 percent, but Germany only 4.6 percent. German states are more flexible about school age. Grade 1 in most of Germany is K in the US. Gymnasium schools run through to Grade 13. So it's ages 5-18 in the Gymnasium stream. And yes, Germany has crap internet.

I went to a Career Fair in school once and I was so intrigued when I heard German School have a Year 13.

Joel, "where should you go next?" SWITZERLAND. Try the Glacier Express, or the Bernina Express, especially if you like European railroads. :D

Not at all our schoolsystem is one of the best of the world. Wie have the best skillt workers, they get a great professionel education, which would not be possible without a good school edukation. And how good our ingenieurs and other scientists are, you sure have heard. Computer are importand, but a good teacher is three times more importand.

Front looks like a Dell PC but from look feels they are 1990 or 2000 monitors

I suspect, without researching the issue, that the difference in the quality of schools persists from the days of a divided Germany with low standards in the East and more progressive in the West. A lot depends upon the willingness of taxpayers to support their state's schools. Those who went to good schools tend to want and can afford the same for their own children.

In India, one would be around 14 at the youngest and 16 at the oldest while in Grade 10 or what we call Class 10.

I have French English Spanish Latin in the 12th grade and Russian for a year

Recently Schools for people with special needs actually got abolished in many parts of Germany.

When someone is 18 in Grade 12, do you really need someone to tell you how old they are in Grade 10?

Unlike America, Australia education is national with slight variations state to state.

For an economic power house like GERMANY 🇩🇪,,,,, this is SHOCKING,,,,,,, and I might add ,,,there is no such thing as school budgets being unaffordable,,,,it just suggests that wrong choices are being made ,,,,,,,,

The Education system was thoroughly neglected by 30 years of Christian Conservative government. No surprise here. So that's why school equipment is sometimes literally over 30 years old

1:06 Correction: It’s ‘stationery’.

She should have translated all those Blablablaschule words

Old Tech vs New Tech

As a teacher I can tell you: they always try to save money in education. Also, one of the main problems is that the responsibility is with the municipalities and federal states, not the state. This way, nothing gets done in a cohesive manner. Drives most colleagues crazy. BTW: This organization at the federal level is a leftover from World War II. Unfortunately, they never got rid off it.

sHe was pretty accurate,but the idea of not homeschooling is so everyone can get the "same" education as far as I understand

Black Forest Family a better Channel for this topic