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@strenter

5 ай бұрын

The school system comes from history. In Germany you learn an occupation from scratch. But let me start with my education. I went class 1-4 in Grundschule. In Hessen (Hesse) where I live we have "Gesamtschule" and "Gymnasium". The Gesamtschule was teaching Hauptschule (up to class 9), Realschule (up to class 10) and Gymnasium (up to class 13). But classes 5 and 6 were A, B, and C courses, and you could switch between them. I was considered for C, but my parents disagreed and so I hab B courses, which later let me take Realschule. As I did not perform well in the ninth class, my parents decided to have me attend a 'Berufsfachschule Elektrotechnik', covering classes 9 and 10. You learn a lot in that, including stuff you normally learn in your first year of apprenticeship of being an electrician. That also led to my apprenticeship lasting only two and a half than three and a half years in total because of what I already learned. So then I went into an apprenticeship to become an "Energieanlagenelektroniker". After a bit of working I decided to attend the "Fachoberschule", which I did leave early but if I had graduated from it enabled me to study at a Fachhochschule, but not at an University. Alas, I did not succeed, as mentioned. Instead in 1990 (yes, I am oooooold 😂) I went to work in a company as electrician in the maintenance department. Then, some years after, I made my "Staatlich geprüfter Techniker Energietechnik" in a "Abendschule", which I attended in addition to my job. After that I changed jobs within the same company, which I now work for for 34 years. Just not always the same job, but I can't complain about the pay. 😊 Oh yes, there is no "hire and fire" in Germany unless you are middle management or higher. 😂

@SheratanLP

5 ай бұрын

The German school system is not complicated for Germans. This is only confusing for Americans. But they are already confused by a simple roundabout.

@strenter

5 ай бұрын

@@SheratanLP Well, there are a few magic roundabouts in England that would confuse any driver with little practice using a normal one... 😅

@strenter

5 ай бұрын

@@keyboard5494 To my understanding (German here)... College enables you to attend University. Kinda like the German Abitur? If you leave leave school earlier, you go do several jobs. Be it cleaning the floors, cashier,... Jobs you don't need to have much or no talent for, but you don't get payed much. But you also can learn a profession. This is not done the German way, for sure with school attendence. You learn while you work. Also, with a bit of experience, you can become a handyman, a jack-of-all-trades. Someone that can repair things around the home. You will have to work hard and still can make it (vom Tellerwäscher zum Millionär), but your life will be harder compared to if you had an university degree and a good paying job.

Generelly, grades are 1 to 6. 1 is the best, 6 the worst. Often, teachers might add something like 1+ (a even better 1) or 2- (a not so good 2, wich is still better than a 3+). Those +/- can also be expressed with fractions: 0,7 is 1+ 1 is 1 1,3 is 1- 1,6 is 2+ .... In the last three years of Gymnasium ("Oberstufe"), this scale is expressed in points: 15 is 1+ 14 is 1 13 is 1- .... 0 is 6 These points are given per half year and depending on which focus you set can be trippled or doubled per course (but not all)... And at the end you will calculate an average point score / grade for your final certificate. I know. It's over-complex and crazy.

My kids’ school really had great food. It was actually so good that I sometimes ate there as well when I had something to do there. Freshly cooked, high quality and preferably regional ingredients, great taste, healthy 👍

Back when I was 14 and we had a professional football(soccer) training camp in Japan and we had to go to school on some days the food there was actually really good in school. Nothing was free but it was actually really good food that felt at least very close to restaurant quality.

Japanese school lunch is fresh, healthy and amazingly delicious. Pupils learn how to socialize, help each other and they clean the room after lunch. Simply great!

In 2023, a total of around 86,400 sports clubs were counted in Germany.

I can remember the 1980s and '90s. Back then, teachers invested a lot of effort in digitalization. But there was no support from the school authorities and the topic was not included in the curriculum. When my own children went to school around 2010, I was shocked that nothing had happened with digitalization. It was only when the human virus appeared that the school authorities wanted to allow classes to be held at home. For this purpose, video conferences should be held at home for school. And this with classes that previously had little computer instruction. Somehow it worked after all. But it has led to everyone complaining about the lack of digitalization in schools. Because my children went to a private school, the problem there was not as serious as in public schools. Private schools are allowed to manage their own money and can therefore set priorities. Public schools have to ask politicians for money for everything and anything.

Okay, first off, I started school in 1963; things have changed a lot since then. But back in my day, kids who couldn't keep up with regular classes would AUTOMATICALLY be relegated to a "Sonderschule" (Special School) by 2nd grade at the latest. The problem was, they lumped all of those kids together -- whether they had a learning disability like dyslexia, a true lack of cognitive ability, were slow starters, or simply came from underprivileged families and therefore couldn't keep up. The assessment for their problems happened AFTER they were taken out of regular classes, because teachers weren't trained to identify the problems -- but teachers at those special schools were. The concept of having a school counselor is still largely unknown, but nowadays know at least enough to recommend to parents that maybe they should take their kid to a therapist (which is covered by healthcare). (Btw, we also don't have school nurses.) Learning disabilities or speech impediments will also be taken care of outside of school. Other inclusion, like with physical disabilities, is often difficult because some school buildings may be from pre-World War I -- they simply aren't made for kids with mobility issues, say. Sports are indeed an extra-curricular activity, but there are lots of sports clubs around, with very modest fees because they usually are "registered" -- they often get to use school facilities for training and practice, and offer a much wider variety than most schools can. PE at school usually offers easy indoor team sports -- volleyball, dodgeball, basketball for highschoolers, or team handball, plus the full range of gymnastics. If the school has outdoor facilities, they'll add football (soccer) plus track and field. That's it. Oh, and at least a year of swimming lessons at the nearest public pool. There'll be less than a handful of dedicated sports teachers per school, who have to cover all of this; they have neither the time nor the opportunity to teach specialized stuff, and yes, all kids do all sports at school, not just one thing they like best or are best at. We also don't have school buses, so how would you get school teams to compete when the players/athletes are dependent on "taxi moms" or public transport? (College sports also pretty much don't exist; consequently, there are no sports scholarships.

in lower and middle-classes, the grades are from 1-6, where 1 equals an "A", and 6 equals an "F" once you get to the higher classes (11-12) you get points which go up to 15 (which equals "A+") in the Grundschule (equivalent to Elementary School) the lower classes (1&2) don't give grades at all, but a short note, how good / bad and how the pupils might improve

One major difference to the US -- a religion-run (mostly by Catholic orders) school does NOT promote a specific religion. They usually take students from all religions, Christian (both Catholic and Protestant), Muslim, Jewish, whatever, but they can demand that every student has to attend religious education classes (either Protestant or Catholic; state schools often offer "Ethics" as an alternative), but they are obligated to teach the state curriculum. No "intelligent design" or creationism is being taught here! Religious Education is mandatory even at state schools until age 14, when the children (!) can opt out without parental consent, should they wish to do so. The religious private schools can make attendance at RE mandatory until graduation.

I never had school meals as none of my schools ever had a cafeteria. In highschool, although classes often ran until 2 or 3 p.m. but we always brought sandwiches from home. We always did homework at home, too.

I am in 10th grade and i usually have school from 7:45 to 15:15 , that would be around 8 lessons(each is 45 min), we usually have „double lessons“(the same subject for 2 school lessons in a row in a day, 90 min) but we have single lessons, means a subject for only 1 lesson(45 min) a day. The grades are 1(best)-6(worst), if you are in grade 11 and 12(last years of school), the grading system turns into points. 15-13= best(grade 1), 12-10= grade 2 etc. Little to every school has school „clubs“( AGs in german) for example you are able to visit sport clubs or Art clubs or clubs where you learn japanese for example(available at my school)(they are free, no costs for students). I visit a gymnasium and before grade 11 and 12, you have the same lessons as pretty much every one, but you already start to choose „classes“ on your own, for example you have to choose between learning french or spain(sometimes you can choose latein aswell or russian depending on the school). In grade 11 and 12, you choose your classes on your own. Of course there are rules, we have to choose(depending on where you live) 2-3LEISTUNGSKURSE(your most important classes which are harder and deeper focused on the topics than the regular classes, for example i can choose MATHE(maths)LEISTUNGSKURS or BIOLOGIE(biology) leistungskurs, the difference to the regular classes is that you dive in deeper in the topics, you have way more lessons in these classes, you have to graduate with them at your ABITUR, the system is actually way deeper but its to complicated to explain in the comment section. I have to add that i know many schools beside mine which are pretty modern. We have school ipads to use sometimes in lessons, we have beamers and digital boards etc. My school is actually really clean and has more the style of the typical german buildings from the old times(big stones, churche style etc) in a really pretty way. We have 3/4 breaks a day, some are 15 min and the longest one is 45 min. I dont know why they critize the food this much, for me its okey, i used to eat school lunch and we had multiple choices(vegan, vegetarian etc.). My school has 2 big school houses with about 3 floors, we have an elevator for disabled people etc. We have many toys and games for the younger ones. The last week for the 12 graders is a motto week where you style your self depending on the topic, which changes each day for a Week.

The word “inclusive school” sounds great, but in practice it is almost never used. If so, then usually for “physically limited” children. Children with “learning difficulties”, these children continue to go to “special schools”. The reason for this is exactly what you mentioned, "core speed".

I went to a inclusive school, in Germany. We had tons of "normal" people, but also some disabled boys and girls. There were austhistic students, blind ones, people in wheel chairs or down-syndrom. Actually, everything imaginable. And literally Noone had ever had a problem, caused by inclusion. On the contrary. We all grew up together.

I'm 25 and now and we didn't even think about WiFI^^ and it was on a Gymnasium with even highly equipped smartboards.

I think, if a pupil is just physically handicaped, theres no reason, not to put them into a regular, public school. They mite not participate in sports... So what? Its different with mental issues... Illegal homeschooling makes sure, everyone gets a proper education

The 15 point ranking system are used for the 10th - 13th grades (senior classes in Abitur). 1+=15p; 1=14p; 1-=13p; …; 6-=0p

Germany is ranked as No.1 in the United Nations Education Index. Yes, it's complicated. But it ensures that a child can receive a good education regardless of the parents' financial abilities. Unlike in the USA, where the financial background of parents determines the quality of the children's school education.

@bjrnarbjrnarsson5845

5 ай бұрын

Dream on, Pippi Langstrumpf 🤣

@melchiorvonsternberg844

5 ай бұрын

@@bjrnarbjrnarsson5845 Actually? You sad northern lights, you should keep in mind that this school system produced 88 Nobel Prize winners in the natural sciences alone, by the end of the 20th century. I've never given anything to the Pisa crap. What if we calculate the migrants off, from this Pisa number? How do you think Germany would perform then? And now you can saddle up your moose and chirp away...

@marvinkem3201

4 ай бұрын

But didn't we get the worst Rate this year of all time (only Germany) and besides this, Germany is very bad at the Pisa and in general in regards to the school system. I don't know where you get it from, that we are No. 1.

@bjrnarbjrnarsson5845

4 ай бұрын

​@@melchiorvonsternberg844💪😁

@deadwolf3607

4 ай бұрын

You sure about that?

Homeschooling seems to be a weird concept to me. I know a lot of pro homeschooling parents even teach their children themselves. That would never work in germany. And how do parents think they are capable of doing that job. That's like making your own surgery at home, I don't know. 😂 Then there are certain things that have to be teached, according to mandatory teaching plans, at least in germany. I know in the US there are parents, taking their kids from school, saying they don't want them to know about evolution, receiving sex ed, or this and that. I think that doesn't work in germany, cause certain things are mandatory education. And when parents withdraw their kids from school, they would to have to pay fines or even face jailtime. Cause we have Schulpflicht (schooling mandatory) Kids can be escorted to school by the police. A proper graduation is extremely important, without that you wouldn't even get a minimum wage job. Employers are extremely picky, even today with all the demographic problems.

@SpkeNo1

5 ай бұрын

Homeschooling in America is A Teacher coming to your Home or You are Doing Internet School and in the Near Future we will have That option in Germany too

@wolfgangengel4835

5 ай бұрын

This is an option. But as far as my information goes, it's possible in the US to teach your kids all by yourself. Correct me, if I'm wrong.​@@SpkeNo1

@SpkeNo1

5 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangengel4835 yesParents can teach there kids

@klarasee806

5 ай бұрын

I agree: Homeschooling can go terribly wrong, although it needs to be said that many parents around the world do an incredible job at it. However, some don‘t and ruin their kids‘ life - not just from an educational point of view. Homeschooling is also a "great" way to shield your kids from society if you abuse them, or if you want to radicalize them in some way or an other,…! Teachers are often the first to notice if something is wrong with the child or within the family. School is so much more than just education. It often provides an incredible and very important support system, and you can find friends for life there. My parents fell in love with each other in school. And although most parents hate when their children say "xy is allowed to go there, too", "no one in my class did well in that test", etc., it shows how important it is for your self-esteem (and much more) to be able to compare yourself with others. So generally, I am really, really glad it‘s illegal in Germany! But: There are a few exceptions. Some kids do suffer in school, and they don‘t get the support they would need there. Without going into any detail, because every case is a bit different, this applies to some kids on the autistic spectrum, for example, who must be schooled very differently and individually. So in my opinion it would definitely make sense to make an exception and allow homeschooling - not generally, but only in a few specific cases.

@wolfgangengel4835

5 ай бұрын

I'm autistic, I'm leading a support group for adults in the spectrum, and I suffer from depression and yeah, I suffered in school here and there. But still I'm against homeschooling. We need more inclusion, less separation. You can't work from home in your later life, unless your working home office, but even then you gotta leave your cave here and then. Maybe it has to do with the way I was raised, but I'm not the biggest fan of all that safespacing. But I agree with the rest, and yeah, schools gotta do better.@@klarasee806

One thing about the school system was forgotten to mention. Here in Germany, we have schools for disabled children, because they also have the right to schooling according to the law. This school is called a special school for practically educable people. Special schools are designed for children who have difficulties learning and need appropriate support. My daughter works in a school that includes both of these types of school and she is a special education teacher. And that's not a particularly easy job, by the way. I myself work in a primary school and currently have a 1st grade with the school beginners. Primary school starts after the summer holidays between August and September, depending on the federal state.

Here a overview about the Abitur-Noten in our city: Yes our sixth form from grade 11 - 13 has a grading system that takes some getting used to. That was the case in my time: Note or Grade | Points +1 to 1 to -1 = 15 - 14 - 13 +2 to 2 to -2 = 12 - 11 - 10 +3 to 3 to -3 = 9 - 8 - 7 +4 to 4 to -4 = 6 - 5 - 4 +5 to 5 to -5 = 3 - 2 - 1 6 = 0 Whereby in year 12, in the second semester or in year 13 in the first semester you must not have less than 1 point, otherwise you will not be admitted to the final examination. In other federal states, the grading and weighting of grades is different.

I think you got that inclusion thing wrong. "Special needs" doesn't necessarily imply that you're dumb or slow at learning. Think e.g. of a Stephan Hawking who might have outsmarted all other kids in physics but might have had a hard time being a quarterback. OK, I know his ALS developed later, but I assume there might be similar types of cases where the Latin word "mes sana in corpore sana" is not an applicable rule. On the other hand, a muscle packed quarterback might impede a whole class in learning a foreign language. Especially during the so-called "refugee crisis" or lately when refugees from Ukraine came over, we saw that special needs mainly implies language struggles, which can, with some effort, be "cured" in school age. It also helps the average kids to develop more sense for the needs of others and might teach them to better socialize. Skipping that at young ages might lead to the "me first" society we encounter, especially in the US.

Merry Christmas! ♥

@giobozzde

5 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to you too

@stampcollector74

5 ай бұрын

@@giobozzde Thx! ♥

In Realschule (middle school) it goes from 1 to 6 where 1 is the best but in Gymnasium it’s from 1 to 15 with 15 being a A+ and everything under 5 means failed

Grades go from 1 to 6 in all schools until 11th or 12th grade than the grades are given 15=1+ 14=1 13=1- …. 1=5- 0=6

Usually it is from 1 to six, very good (1) to unsufficient (6). 5 and six are failed. If you make the A-level on a grammar school, after the tenth grade 1+ is 15, 1 is 14, 1- is 13, 2+ is 12, ... Sport outside a school is not insane in Europe, it is standard. Even the premier leagues inEurope are only the best clubs that started as amateur level and if they fail, they will move down the leagues into amateur level.

They actually want to change the system in Germany to put the slow learners in the other schools. I think the way you do too. I have always been bad at sports because of a condition and people laughed at me. So I'm pretty sure German kids would start to make fun of the slower learning kids. But the government thinks the 'Förderschulen' are too expensive. So what can you do...

Unfortunately, only some of the school options in Germany were shown. This applies, for example, to vocational training, part of which still includes further school training. How German vocational training ultimately works is explained there. I'm attaching a video for you. But what isn't mentioned at all (and I couldn't find a video about it) is the so-called 2nd educational opportunity. The British call this a “school of former education”. After completing compulsory school, this enables you to improve your educational qualifications up to a normal high school diploma and access to a university. A lazy student who left school after 9 years and became a carpenter, for example, can later become someone who is a doctor. A lot is possible in the German education system. And that's why I don't understand the complaining about German school education. After all, the German school produced an Albert Einstein... kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z2lhlrtqqb2Yo5M.html

Homeschooling is Not illegal, Its Not Allowed Because we Here in germany Have compulsory schooling where education is compulsory in America . And what School is That where only Are 5 Hours? , My school Day Went Starting School At 7 Am until 3pm or 4pm

Ich war ein REAL-Schüler ....

Inclusion only works, if there is a very good supportsystem in the scholls, otherwise you're contra points are valid.

I am sorry, you have no idea how inclution is working

Homeschooling is legal in germany and there is no "mittelschule" or "oberschule" Thats false informations

@melchiorvonsternberg844

5 ай бұрын

Tatsächlich? Na dann komm mal nach Bayern...