I'm still waiting to see a "maximum Xs" build- 7900X, Strix X670E(Xtreme) eXtreme, XFX RX 6900 XTX, etc etc

Including the Prism cooler on 65W chips is pretty generous. On my "65W" 5700G the Stealth cooler only held up to ~90W before throttling so I ended up spending buying a Gammaxx 400 on sale. I probably would've been happy with the Prism and saved the cooler money, had they included it.

@whatthe9078

Жыл бұрын

They give you the prism on 7700 and 7900 but 7600 has wraith stealth

Thank you! Great review as always!!

WHEN you do test to 7900X3D or the 7950X3D, please do Linux tests to see how it decides where to put specific loads (the cache CCD vs the frequency CCD)

@mytech6779

Жыл бұрын

Is that even visible outside of the processor hardware?

@_sneer_

Жыл бұрын

@@mytech6779 yup, non 3D ccd will boost clocks much higher

The 7600 for server use is exactly what i was thinking, it would replace my power hungry TR 1920X… I’m just hoping for affordable 10 Gbe mainboard (all form factors). The Asus ProArt is available i know, but prohibitively expensive.

@RanjakarPatel

Жыл бұрын

please myy dear make respect. he no always hungry. to be honest i look four video and he look more xcelent today and four this is so proud four my father. he look same but no mustash. more xcelent he have mustash four my father.

@vyor8837

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure even my 5700x is faster than a 1920x...

@Galileocrafter

Жыл бұрын

@@vyor8837 I'd figure, but do you have 64 PCIe lanes that you don't use...

@vyor8837

Жыл бұрын

@@Galileocrafter I use most of my PCI-e lanes :V

@everness7

Жыл бұрын

While efficient at load, what about electricity consumption when idling? Doesn't the chiplet design with a separate IOD inherently demand higher minimum power than a combined chip?

thanks wendell the bottleneck talk was great kind wild wen you think about it, mother board layout might need to change

These are wonderful! I'm the sort of user that would undervolt the X chips a little, and I have no hesitation to OC the non-X to reach roughly the same power/performance level.

@reptilespantoso

Жыл бұрын

X are still the better binned chips. So if you have to choose, for the same price, get those, while the resellers are dumping their stock right now! It really depends on the silicone lottery, but I'm amazed by my 7700x's performace! I gave it an undervolt of -38 all cores, Fmax set to 5750 and PPT at 84-87 W (roughly). It's very efficient!

AMD said at CES that lower cost MBs are on their way. DDR5 prices have come down because few people are building systems with it. For both AMD and Intel, Zen 3 is wildly successful, maintaining about 6 - 7 of the top 10 best selling spots on Amazon. I think it's safe to say that sales on Amazon are representative of how people are buying in general, so Zen 3 is easily winning over the last few month. But then Intel 13th, 12th gen work their way in, probably mostly with DDR4 and then you get Zen 4. But this is all about to change because as I said DDR5 prices have come down because few few people were buying it, AM5 MBs will exist that cost less, and now there's the 7600 and 7700 and really the 7900 is looking excellent. But gamers are still waiting for Vcache. I would be if I didn't have the 5800X3D already. The amount of uplift in gaming performance for CPUs since 2018 is more than 100%. The 7800X3D or 7900X3D are going to be outstanding gaming CPUs for many years. But I'm waiting for Zen 5/6.

@lostintechnology1851

Жыл бұрын

Better to wait friend, amd fucked up the cooling on those cpus big time and gives me ivy bridge flashbacks. I really hope they change the design for Zen5/6. Also 4K gaming is really still not a thing for newer titles unless you go to massively expensive territory which sucks since 4k monitors make fonts look so good. I have a 5800x with a 6900xt and 14 cl RAM which still struggles a lot. But I am not seeing myself buying a 1200W psu to power those newer components. Hopefully in a few gens things get more up to high resolution displays without a system drawing 1000watts while gaming.

I was curious if you would do some testing with some of the new Intel HEDT xeons, specifically the xeon w7-2495x I'm real curious how a large amount of pure performance cores in a monolithic chip performs in a desktop, since these are supposedly going to be overclockable I wonder if you can beat a 13900k in gaming with one

just build my first pc with the 7700, very happy so far, and quite impressed by the cooler. And think it's great to ship a decent cooler so we don't have to spend extra money on that like we do with motherboards and gpu as the moment.

AMD sure has changed the CPU market. With Intel all alone, from the Core i7 920 to the Core i7 7700k, the mainstream high end didn't hardly change at all, and then AMD came back, and we've seen such great advancement. I'm very happy to see this.

@sinesaii

Жыл бұрын

I hope Intel does the same with graphics cards. Nvidia’s market dominance has hurt everyone.

@dangingerich2559

Жыл бұрын

@@sinesaii I have a full AMD system, 5800X3D and 6800XT, and it works wonderfully. The 6800XT is a worthy competitor to the 3080.

I am looking forward to making a SFF build in the future for emulation. ETAprime did a video using a 7800x (I think) and using the built-in GPU to emulate up to WII/Gamecube.

@catsspat

Жыл бұрын

You mean 7700X, because 7800X doesn't exist. If AMD released an AM5 APU based on Phoenix, that would work much better for what you're thinking. Similar cores, but 12 CU RDNA3 iGPU, and lower power overall, because monolithic die, rather than two chiplets (CCD+IOD).

Wendell, thank you... You're awesome.

Would *love* if we could get ANY AM5 board that actually exposes all the pcie lanes in a non-gamer layout... IPMI would be a very nice bonus, but at a minimum, I'd love to actually have all the pcie lanes from the cpu in a reasonable slot layout.

@sinesaii

Жыл бұрын

Why AM5 over an existing used threadripper system with used boards that have exactly what you want? RAM would also be way more reasonable (I assume you need a ton of ram?). What do you need that is new in AM5? More importantly, do you k ow where I can get a google Coral for a reasonable price?

In a world of eternal ambiguity and marketing fluff, there is L1T, a beacon of sanity in a sea on obscurity.

@christopherjackson2157

Жыл бұрын

The pharos lighthouse of tech :)

I'm interested in compatible openCL[sycl] linux-driver x hardware combinations. Not high end workstation builds, it would just be nice to have some working gpu compute availible on a mid-range machine, as a hobbyist testing stuff.(Once the stuff works I can rent some GPU server time if more power is needed.) I've been burned on a couple builds in the past that should have been good to go in theory; but oops just kidding, you got the GPU geeration with the bug, or that GPU is incompatible with the motherboards version of PCIe for gpgpu purposes. General gpgpu benchmarks would be interesting anyway, I've always been curious how compute performance is effected by the different core arrangments and workstation vs gaming card, how strong is the correlation between gameing FPS and compute workloads.

I bought an unsocketed 5800 prior to the general release of the 5000 non-X SKUs precisely because I wanted 8 cores but at the lower power draw for my preferred ITX form factor. I probably overpaid for the perceived efficiency, but I'm not unhappy and will keep this setup for the next few years. Hopefully the DDR5 and PCIe5 cost to manufacture for motherboards comes down when I'm ready to upgrade.

Even with a mid-range GPU when it comes to games I would pay extra and get the 3D-cache version to help with RTS games... Now if the price is right there no need for the X version when you have the 3D for those seeking extra performance but with overall PC cost adding a better cooler and paying the same for the X is a better option since your PC is more future proof, same as putting a overkill PSU for this low TDP lines. This none X look like a great option for pre-build computers with cheap components on it.

man I love the way this guy talks there’s like an accent or something it’s so cool

I would have been plenty pleased with a 5900 instead of the 5900x that I wound up purchasing.

question. what happens to these cpus if you do the pbo eco mode stuff with them and can you even do it/does it improve any performance? i'd imagine it won't improve performance the way it would with the x series chips if at all. i ask because im eyeing the b650e steel legend board pairing it with a 7700 or 7900 non x with some kind of amd card. nvidia and intel are just too expensive and power hungry at the same time compared to what amd can offer. my 12400f and 3070 is doing ok but i hate how limited i am with my tweaking of the 12400f and gsync has been a worse experience than freesync for me on this monitor.

Another good video from Wendell

I'd like to see your home server build and what you do with it. I'm wondering is it worth getting a home server for myself? What can I do with it? I don't know yet

How quickly things change Wendell, that same Amazon CPU you show, at time of recording is now, at time of comment, $288.32. Makes the $230 7600 inc HSF look much better.

Pls make a video why ECC matters for home server and does not matter for gaming 😊

the funny thing is, in europe/germany it is quite the opposite right now. the 7900x is actually ~€30 cheaper than the non-x sku. I was planning a build with a 7900 because of lower temps and power consumption, but there is really no point to pay more for a lower-tier bin of the same cpu.

@adityabirsingh2601

11 ай бұрын

Have you build your pc?

13th gen and 7000 series home lab videos when?

The performance per watt seems really good

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

At idle 54 watts??

@tim3172

Жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 You know that 54 watts 24/7 will cost you around $5/year at average electricity rates, right?

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

@@tim3172 WRONG. $73 of those American things assuming 20 cents per kw/h

Waiting for X3D SKUs simply the go-to parts seeing how extra cache can improve performance, no brainer. Hopefully RAM and mobo prices will also go lower by then.

@Cheesemonk3h

Жыл бұрын

i dont think they will become go-to parts because they're sub-par performers in multithreaded. which isn't really all that important but the people willing to drop high end gamerbux on a cpu are probably not just gaming, they are streaming or doing vr shit, which according to my coworker is pushing a 5700x to its limit. i'm not sure that the 5700x3d is filling a market segment that people actually want or need - it's basically a modern 9900ks but in a world where the market doesn't want or need that.

@StaySic4Ever

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheesemonk3h most streaming use two PCs though. 8c can still do it fine. And higher core count parts will offer more cache. And gaming wise 8c X3D part just makes sense if you are not going lower budget.

@aravindpallippara1577

Жыл бұрын

​@@Cheesemonk3hthere is a 7950x3d with 16 cores in the mix

Gamers Nexus did compared the X and non-X SKUs running the X in Eco mode and the non-X with PBO enabled. It seems like the X are binned about 2% better. That's it.

No overclocking numbers?

The 7950X3D would be a Godsend of "brokestation" (budget workstation) style CPU with that amount of cache V:

@blkspade23

Жыл бұрын

This. With a combination of virtualization, Linux, occasional code compilation and sim gaming. It's the only chip that makes sense as a move for me from the 5950X.

Wraith Prism is pretty decent, but I hate the clip-mounting. That is so last century. Wraith Spire is also not too bad, but Wraith Stealth is a bit too little.

if these were around when i built my system I would have been happy with the 7700 over the x model

@reptilespantoso

Жыл бұрын

I have no regrets whatsoever. Try undervolting it! Mine really loves that.

@adityabirsingh2601

11 ай бұрын

X varients are better

Very hotly anticipated by me! Why? Because the "street prices" never changed in my country. And I sure as hell am not going to import a CPU all the way to Europe.

Wish the 7600 came with the Wraith Prism. :c

Kinda happy cinebench r23 my 7900 non x got 24879 at 52c I am using cpu boost on my msi 650 carbon Upgrade from a 4790k was gonna Upgrade in 2020 but we all know what happened there lol 😂😊 Thanks for your videos really appreciate it 😁

@Noel_573

Жыл бұрын

What cooler were you using to reach 52c?

@ChaosDom69

Жыл бұрын

@@Noel_573 corsair icue h150i elite lcd xt cooler

Personally I would rather see more feature light motherboards, that arent consuming PCI lanes for features I wont ever use. Give me slots.

MY 3600 nonX has 128GB of 3200 ECC memory I cant wait for the DDR5 64GB modules for 256GB total

still using my 3600 on a gaming k5 (2017 board)

Stock cooler is nice, saves hassle and money

Linus did increase the power target in the BIOS. And I think he got results within 1% of X versions. At least in his test bench Of course he did not use the box cooler Just saying. Also Intel have shadow launched a new series CPUs with less cache. I think the non X AMD CPUs will have the latter for lunch

The ones coming down the pipe from Asrock Rack are basically revamps of the ones for AM4, so no dual m.2s, 4 sata, 1 x16 and 1 x4 or less if you get the mini-itx. So a whole lotta meh. Also, having atx12v1, atx12v2 AND atxpwr AND a reference to water cooling isn't encouraging.

I wanted a freaking 5900 non-x and could never find one outside of buying an OEM system with one installed.

Where is the 16 cores non X version ??? I would like to have a 7950 65W TDP version :( Yes I know I can buy the 7950X version and then configure the cTDP to 65W, but then I need to pay the price of the full X version.

Isnt 7600 same as 7600x eco mode? Or is it better?

@niter43

Жыл бұрын

pretty much the same (even potentially a worse bin)

This should've been the launch price for the X series lol.

mobo manufacturers are precluding people from making the switch to am5 en masse... the prices are far too expensive for a scaled back offering.

Just built a home server with a 12400 + Z690-ITX + DDR4 (and Optane, thanks for the recommendation!) - pretty low power, efficient, and cheap. Given the prices of AM5 motherboards I think Intel 12th/13th gen is still the way to go if you don't need ECC. But who knows what W680 will bring ECC-wise; looking forward to it.

Cache rules everything around me..... Amd listening to Wu Tang when they thought of x3d

“Server” mobo idea: Asrock Rack B650D4U-2T/BCM

13500 or 7600? Mostly for gaming.

AMD have been really inconsistent with non-X cpus. I appreciate the top tier CPU's but I like energy efficiency and have generally gone for the 65w part where possible. I bucked the trend for the 5800X3D, but even with that cpu I have it undervolted.

@reptilespantoso

Жыл бұрын

Nope. Everyone gets this wrong. The X are more power efficient than the non-X, when undervolting both.

I bought a 7900 for $289 during prime day.

You...ARGH....I thought my headset battery was dying in the beginning! xD

These things are all about power for me. Where I live, electricity now costs around 58-60 US--Cents per kwh. After the 13th gen Intel vs Ryzen 7000X battle of attrition these CPU's are an overdue return to sanity.

@sinesaii

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I pay 14 cents, and that is the highest ever (Chicago, central US). Are you in Europe?

@catriona_drummond

Жыл бұрын

@@sinesaii Germany. Stadtwerke Flensburg. Used to be 25 cents before the war and the collapse of the French nuclear industry.

Awesome

To me, no. I own a nice set of 32gb Trident Z DDR4, add on the fact that i can get Z690 for under 150 dollars, and ill have a 13600K for less total platform cost. I never did bother to upgrade within my AM4 socket so i'm not paying extra for AM5 on the idea of doing that, because by the time i upgrade again i bet there will already be AM6.

i7 7700k vs r3 4c8t both overclocked to the max. and go

the goods you say?

i would rather have the non X i dont need to BRRR that much, stock coolers are just fine for my use.

Is it weird I still get confused every time someone refers to amd as team red....

@clawwer4404

Жыл бұрын

yes

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

Reality is ,, team weird ugly orange :)

I built my grandson a Ryzen 3 3100 Rx 590 build with a Wraith Prism cooler. Then upgraded it later to a Ryzen 5 5600 and a Rx 5700 and still used the Wraith Prism. I paid $30aud on ebay for it and works really well on his PC. Would recommend it on all non X CPUs.

If Im gonna overclock them, Im not gonna use those included fans.

7600 doesn't seem to bottleneck even RX 7900 XT, why recommending 7700 with RX 6650?

worth,

Here's the fun part: Over here the 7900x is CHEAPER than the 7900. And it's the better binned chip! FWIW My 7700x (the same marketprice as the 7700) is clocking 6 GHz with 88 Watt package (at 100%). It's easy to undervolt and overclock. (PBO2 & Curve Optimizer). If you want those clockspeeds you'll have to feed the 7700 way more power than PPT 86 W. The X chips just didn't sit well with consumers at stock settings and 95 degrees C. But that's not where these chips want to live.

Honestly energy is so expensive at the moment that part price is not a factor like it usually is, providing it's not a scalped price listing of course. I might actually consider moving off mobile back onto desktop again if they can produce something that is actually power efficient when paired with a current gen AMD gpu in particular as we know they draw less for the same performance from the wall compared to Nvidia current offering even though they perform higher overall. Hope it's not just me cause this seems like the more sensible approach unless money is no object what so ever then fair fine no worries.

@eclipsegst9419

Жыл бұрын

Huh? Power is cheap in first world countries and anywhere it isn't there are politicians that need hanging. Anyways, if you REALLY want power efficiency its more about how many cores you buy than what brand. My 3300x won't use over 55W even overclocked to 4.5 all core. Also, Intels aren't that thirsty, they just look bad when pushed to the limit because they are capable of bonkers clockspeeds, but for gaming loads and at an idle they are actually more efficient than AMD. Ill be going back to Intel because ill save more keeping my DDR4 and on motherboard cost than power savings could net me in 10 years. And just in general, normal people don't load CPU to 100% all day. Those numbers don't mean anything without context. Gaming power draw with a normal GPU limitation is far more relevant.

@TheOriginalJAX

Жыл бұрын

@@eclipsegst9419 Well I live in the UK and this year my bill is 5X higher than last years this winter so far and the only thing keep energy prices down at all is the government enforced price caps, Which are artificial and going to result in sustained high prices for the foreseeable future to offset any losses from the current cap enforced. Socialism is great until you actually try it because that is what price caps are, socialist economic policy. It's not core count per say but core distribution because of the chiplet architecture design. because 4 cores per chiplet, Which is also why the 6 and 8 core models draw similar amounts of power because they both require 2 chiplets to house the cores on the SOC. Saying that if they squeezed out a 4 core variant of the 7000 series that would be interesting. Interestingly I have not seen enough data yet to see whether intel is actually more efficient overall or say majority of instances in just gaming, But nobody is really doing the work either so no surprises honestly. Problem is certain games favour intel and others AMD which muddies waters further as this is normally down to platform specific optimisations, Like limiting games to 2 too 4 cores which most was an optimisation targeted towards Intel CPU's in turn knee capping even more AMD's pseudo FX chips which were not that good to begin with, I stayed on a phenom II true six core because of all this and never lagged so far behind the intel chips that required me to upgrade, Then I jumped on the Zen 1600X naturally but this was back when electricity was actually cheap, so I could just keep oc'ing my phenom II to keep up in terms of raw single core performance so efficiency did not matter in the same way it does now. I agree with what you saying overall, it is context dependent in terms of use case and workloads and how they tax the hardware. Cause yes gamming workloads are inherently different to productivity in this regard. you will average less heat and power consumption cause like you said most games do not pin cpu/gpu to a 100% 100% of the time it's running, usually, normally lol. some games just don't bother with optimisations at all and the best thing to do is to just down clock the gpu to stop wasting power in those scenarios. so you see what I am saying here while I'm not jumping on Intel just yet I'm not ruling them out either, As there are hardware combinations that yet to be released and tested this generation being why.

@TAP7a

Жыл бұрын

@@eclipsegst9419that’s a very narrow perspective. There’s a reason it’s being called the energy crisis and it’s not because the price changes are limited to developing nations

@eclipsegst9419

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOriginalJAX That is just insane. Your politicians got you here by pretending to "be green" by.... buying Russian natural gas..... Remember that i suppose next time you vote. Anyways for me the price/performance of the platform is what counts, and as a DDR4 owner with 32gb at hand, that's clearly an Intel this time round.

@eclipsegst9419

Жыл бұрын

@@TAP7a Its called, European countries decided to virtue signal about "being green" By shutting down perfectly safe nuclear plants that create 0 carbon emissions, and replacing them with Russian natural gas. Pure idiocy. Vote them all out.

temps are always in C or F?

@ingoos

Жыл бұрын

never mind. just heard it's C

who else just ignores intel since the r5 3600 lol. i5 is a shadow of it's self. i upgraded to 10th gen i5 from a 3570k, got full refund cause it did not do box all core specs. then went 3600 and now on 5600. 0 issues aside from memory controller lottery ryzen is amazing value. the 3600 is 130$cad atm lol (gaming/overclocking only perspective)

@jefferyG499

Жыл бұрын

RIP English...

AM5 motherboards and DDR5 are just way too expensive.

@rare6499

Жыл бұрын

Ram isn’t too bad now, the problem is most certainly the boards. They are hugely expensive in comparison to the previous generation.

Where ma muh-foken threadrippa?! Dammit amd!!!

#NOTTHOSECPUSSILLY Morse code :D

Let me just say that the number of views on this video do not reflect the quality that this video is.

The X always run hotter.

@jefferyG499

Жыл бұрын

It's almost like AMD designed them to run targeting thermal limits, or something...

What does it mean to be an X cpu?

@DynamicBits

Жыл бұрын

That refers to the models with a letter X at the end (7600X, 7700X, 7900X, 7950X).

@DrewIsFail

Жыл бұрын

@@DynamicBits yes, but why do they have x's? What else does it tell you?

@jefferyG499

Жыл бұрын

@@DrewIsFail X is the high-performance version of the series... sourced either from XFR (eXtended Frequency Range) in Ryzen or simply because the competing Intel chips had an X: i9-7800X, i9-7820X, etc. It means as much as the "F" meaning no GPU, "T" for low-power, "Z" for ultra low power "P" for (???), on Intel etc. etc. etc. or U/H/HK/HS on AMD's side.

@DrewIsFail

Жыл бұрын

@@jefferyG499 thanks, that makes sense.

X's are higher now on Amazon. 7600X = $264 and 7700X = $344

@mountanarivera4450

Жыл бұрын

As usual they trying to rip people off on Amazon go check the price on R9 5900X and 5800X3D

The non x & 3dx, are making the x = "none relevant"

AMD needs 10 core chiplets and they need to reduce the price per core closer to or below $35 per core.

@joemarais7683

Жыл бұрын

They don’t need to reduce the cpu price. They need to stop gouging AIBs for their chipset pricing, and incentivize them to not sell AM5 boards for double the price of equivalent LGA 1700 boards. All these CPU releases are just smokescreens to distract from AMD’s inability to compete in platform pricing overall

intel is still the better value for anything less than 7950x, but this brings it a little closer

Unlike AM4 in a general sense, AM5 hasn't landed well enough. And unless they can fire up the whole platform, they are in danger of being still born. 7 series and AM5 isn't selling well, and just has not taken off. There is stiff competition from intel in the space. The energy efficiency is great, but having to buy a whole platform to get there - is a issue. They should really consider doing an AM4 variation of the 7 family. I think they are also missing the boat with their most terrific mobile platforms. The 6800 Mobile (family) + 680M - needs to ship in an AM4 and AM5 package. Low power, great performance. Has an absolute place in these terrible energy cost times.

@pkt1213

Жыл бұрын

My dad sent me a link to something showing AMD releasing an AM4 chip with Zen4 cores strapped to the 5000 series I/O die. I have no idea if that would even be possible or if AMD would actually do that.

@AdmV0rl0n

Жыл бұрын

@@pkt1213 my guess is the chiplet design is pretty modular. I think its quite viable to mix and match some of the tech, so why not? !!

@pkt1213

Жыл бұрын

@AdmV0rl0n I guess anything is possible. It would really be if the juice is worth the squeeze. With the absence of lower cost mb, it would be good for AM4 users with existing boards and DDR4. Probably hurt AM5 adoption though.

@sinesaii

Жыл бұрын

How many of us really need an upgrade anyway? If I buy anything, it will be a graphics card.

i am a poor person that is trying to get a job in a state with low taxes that is having any luck lol. i like flooring i dont want to do something else. i am not opposed to sell stuff on ebay but i need a real job lol. 1000sqft at $1.50 2 days and demo and prep $400 base 400ft get a dollar a foot. $2300 in 2 to 3 days.

I dont agree with the 7700 being the better choice. The price cascade is just too ridiculous. The 7700 seems to be in a bad spot in my opinion. You should either go all out (7900) or just get a 7600 (when the X version is 20 bucks or more expensive) and enable PBO.

Beta male: new cpu? Test for gaming! Gigachad: new chips is more efficient, big potential for home server. Yes please, as a newbie i'd like to have the most of my hardware. Home server, gaming and all that in a centralized pc (like linus have) but with a reasonable (not totl), up to date desktop spec is an interesting video proposition

Jajajajaja AMD ya está punto de perder siempre? CPU es uno de más monstruos coronas será mucho mejor que AMD? No sabes nada sobre TDP más alto como gamas altas y AMD no? Poco 65wts jajajja el nuevo i5 13600 tiene más mucho watts como 125 - 168 wats? Déjame decirte ese doble 12 gen y 13 gen si será más rápido en cualquier posiblemente? Entonces AMD tiene más debilidad que no supera a wats más consumo de energía es Intel más mucho potencia será más rápido en cualquier ? Un ejemplo intel es un más poderosa como Godzilla y AMD como King Kong Jajaja me imagina que todo AMD no se puede competir a i9 13900ks

AMD consumes more power than intel, it can only go as low as 20W while intel goes to 0 on idle