928fps in CSGO?! Do you remember when we had issues with the smokes in CS 1.5, 800x600? 30fps and you were a happy gamer.

@Chris.Thanopoulos

3 ай бұрын

for real !!! the years when we didnt even know wtf is fps and pings !! and for ever happy

I can see myself skipping am5 all together that is how good the 5800x3d is

@tarikhamou6222

11 ай бұрын

I can see myself skipping the next 3-4 gens with the 5800x3D, that's how good it is, could change in the future but still pretty satisfied with it so far at 4K.

@WarumWiesoWeshalb

10 ай бұрын

what gpu are you guys rocking? Asking cause I have a 5800X and thinking of stay on am4 and upgrade cpu or whome shizzle ma nizzle right now a 3080 inside and my fingers are itching to buy a 7900XTX.... opions beside money?

@tarikhamou6222

10 ай бұрын

@@WarumWiesoWeshalb Hi mate, sorry for the late response, I'm rocking an RTX 4080, playing at 4K allows the CPU load be minimized and having AT LEAST an 8-core CPU of the latest generations is enough. GPU-wise, if your aim is stable 165Hz at 1440p or 120Hz-144Hz at 4K, I'd recommend either the 7900XTX or RTX 4080, also note that both FSR and DLSS are getting a new version soon allowing for more fidelity and performance so you can be good with a more affordable option for a while longer.

@666Maeglin

8 ай бұрын

you are aware that there likely be a 8000 and a 9000 series at am5 right? you have no idea how those will perform

@basicallytroll2705

6 ай бұрын

Wrong lol

Thanks for the review. That is handy information. Not sure if possible, but it would be equally helpful to have a "updates per second" benchmark. For specific games, increasing FPS doesn't improve the quality of the game experience. It's more like, "How much stuff can you have going on at once?". Examples of such games are HOI4, EU4, Stellaris, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Civ 5/6, etc... Late game, some of the Paradox games mentioned become slide shows (while FPS is >60) because the CPU has to update the state of so many units on the map.

I just love how the 5800X3D still is a monster even without ddr5 rams. So glad I bought mine on first release. Waiting at least to AM6 before upgrading it. Went from a 3600X + 3070 to 5800X3D + 4080 and couldn’t be more happier playing at 1440p

@tilapiadave3234

2 ай бұрын

Sad and bad decision ,, never mind

@mrhassell

Ай бұрын

DDr5 offers very small generational increased performance or noticeable difference. It exists sure, so does the 7800x3d over the 5800x3d but its hardly enough to justify, anything like making that kind of investment in the upgrade. Clever man! Take a golden star, grab yourself an Apple and invest in a RTX 4080... nicely done! 🖖

@tilapiadave3234

Ай бұрын

@@mrhassell < Absolute cow droppings. The 7800X3D is SUBSTANTIALLY better than the over rated and WAY over priced 5800X3D ,,, Don't waste your money on old over-rated crap when you can get far better for just a few dollars more

@mrhassell

Ай бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 If you have an AM4 platform, it makes no sense. There's not that much of an improvement that justifies the cost. Its a bad economic choice, its perfectly fine as an emotional one. If you make financial decisions, based on feelings, stay positive.. as its the only thing that matters. If you work with logic, then your idea is illogical Jim.

@zicksee0

13 күн бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234buddy am5 all together is more expensive than am4. saying it’s a few extra dollars more when you also have to buy a motherboard and ram ontop of the upgrade is crazy.

I'll wait for the 8800X3D and for faster DDR5 RAM combatibility before I upgrade my 5800X3D.

@retakleksum111

Жыл бұрын

i think you dont need to upgrade in the next 5 years. it is fast enough.

@Gameslove3500

Жыл бұрын

You don't needed upgrade Ryzen R7 5800X3d, because is this legendary CPU. 🎉🎉🎉

@pakjai5532

Жыл бұрын

​@retakleksum111 already got the Ryzen 7800x3d. I think I am good until AM5 platform becomes a mature platform and nearing end of its life cycle. Upgrading then will make more sense.

@TheAETHER22

11 ай бұрын

Same plan. This could works fine with my 6900xt and give me smooth 90fps at 1440p. When I see it struggling with next generation UE 5.2 games I might upgrade. But so far so good.

@justinpatterson5291

10 ай бұрын

​@jeffrey1296so its also CPU compute heavy?

Thanks for including the temp charts. I was worried my cooler was no longer doing it's thing, but it turns out the 5800X3D is just a warm boi

@RobBomford

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you undervolt with pbo! Most of these chips are binned to be good enough to achieve a -30 core optimiser offset on all cores which in my case took my max temps on cinebench loops from 87c to the high 60s. Lots of good guides on KZread, my bad if you already knew this 👍

Thanks for the video - interesting results. I do wish that more reviews of the 7/5800x3D covered performance in games like Tarkov, Warzone and WoW, etc. It's in cases like those that the CPUs really shine given the expanded cache.

@Ladioz

Жыл бұрын

Love a comment like this. Ive had people arguing with me that something like a 3600 or 5600x delivers the same fps as the 5800X3D. Just because you're plying Tarkov at 90 or 120 frames a second doesn't mean the game is running at a smooth pace. The 3D cache and those extra cores is so important for a fluid general experience

@hana2634

Жыл бұрын

@@Ladioz I went from a 3600 to a 5800x3d in tarkov and it basically doubled my fps 🤣

@Ladioz

Жыл бұрын

@@hana2634 Awesome! It's a beast of a cpu

@jonjustice6834

Жыл бұрын

I play warzone. I upgraded to 4070ti with a 5900x and it would not use 100% of my gpu. at 1440p with everything ultra and dlss off, I would get 115-140ish fps, after upgrading to am5 7800x3d it would now use all my gpu in all games. Warzone never goes below my 144 cap. Resident evil 4, Last of Us both now use 100% gpu where as before, they would only use 70-80%.

@fatfatr

6 ай бұрын

yeah lol, most advice on building pcs is centered around running cyberpunk on 4k with RT. im running a 7800x3d with a 306012gb and the games/settings i play im still cpu limited

Decided to upgrade my 3 year old AM4 system, replacing the 3800X with a 5800X3D. Felt like history was going to repeat in part and that AMD will need more time to improve AM5 stability. Given recent findings that looks like it was the right thing to do. Yeah i'll likely end up upgrading to AM5 in a year or 2, but that saving on not needing a new MB and RAM meant i could upgrade my GPU from a 2070 Super to a 6950XT

@joeydrope1483

8 ай бұрын

We have the exact same specs for your old pc. I’m thinking about upgrading aswell. Was it worth it

@basicallytroll2705

6 ай бұрын

Am4 system then stick with am4

@Chris.Thanopoulos

3 ай бұрын

am4 will be stay for a long long long time !!! am looking to upgrade and i will go for high end am4 !!!

The most sensible and relevant test I've seen on such matters. Hardware Unboxed just don't understand the 4090 4k testing rationale. Please could you test DCS at 4k/4090 with both processors.

Great review, thanks a lot! I’ll stick with AM4 for now till Ryzen comes out with the next gen AM5. Then I might build a whole new system.

I still want to see more E-Sport Titles when it comes to CPU Benchmarks. And I want to see them not only at High - Ultra Settings but Low and Medium too.

So straight forward review I like it

Thanks for this well done comparison of these 2 very capable AMD CPU's. I would probably take this to mean that if you currently have an AM4 setup get the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and If your building a new AM5 system go with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Having both of these very nice options should give most a nice option of which to go with.

@torukmahtomahto409

Жыл бұрын

EVEN FOR A NEW BUILD...,AM5 x2 price.. BTW,upgrade path is little bit of a trap and,generally, NEVER buy a new released products just for future proof excuse because doesn;t exist such thing , see b550 vs older b350 which can run 5800x3d but missing many features and loosing cash for each cpu upgrade..

I bought a whole new system and went with the 5800x3D. It allowed me to go further on the GPU side on my budget

@joejoe5921

Жыл бұрын

which gpu? i'll make the same choice and go for 4080 or 4070ti.

@Quasmin

Жыл бұрын

@@joejoe5921 This is exactly where I was... I went for the 4080. If I pushed a AM5 I would need to settle for the 4070ti.

@joejoe5921

Жыл бұрын

@@Quasmin yeah i think our money is well spent on 5800x3d + 4080 because the 4080 reaches 95-100% usage in most cases in 2k and 4k.

@retakleksum111

Жыл бұрын

@@joejoe5921 4070ti is meh, 4080/4090 or 7900xt/x , i would try the xtx at that pricepoint because it gives you the most and its a normal size card.

@NZIGNANTI

Жыл бұрын

5800x3d & 7900 xtx is the bees knees. With a 1440p 1ms 144hz IPS monitor.

I'd be curious for VR benchmark or multiscreen for Simracing and Flight Sim games. Focused on 0.1% lows too. That's the real benefit I've seen from these CPU (and big differenciator, I hear). MMOs too, but... go Benchmarks those! 😅

I'm using the 5800X3D paired with a 6900 XT and love it. I was determined to hold off on jumping to AM5 until I have to. I started Ryzen all the way back with the 1700X and kept upgrading seamlessly.This confirms that choice for me yet again.

@alanbiker5838

Жыл бұрын

I just bought the 5800X3D and a 6800 XT yesterday to replace my Ryzen 7 3700X and GTX 1080ti. Should be great.

@MrSandvich03

Жыл бұрын

Upgrading my 5600g for a 5800X3D, wish me luck!

@solo6965

Жыл бұрын

Am5 still unstable and many problem. just stick with Am4

@bartdierickx4630

Жыл бұрын

I hope I can skip AM5. Still happy with my 5800x. Started with a 2600x.

@AvroBellow

Жыл бұрын

I'm almost in the same boat as you with an R7-5800X3D and an RX 6800 XT. I also started with ryzen by getting an R7-1700.

Would it just be worth it to wait for the ryzen 8000 series with a Pci-e gen 5 and ddr6 ram/MB

What cooler did you use for the temp test?

As much as I'd love to see my own computer do 300fps in certain games. The more financially and mentally stable option, for me- would have to be the 5800X3D.

I would go for AM5 at this point. The current CPU's are just the first step for this platform. If you buy an AM4 system you'll be very limited towards future upgrades.

@azerogames

Жыл бұрын

5950x3d :P

@Theworthsearcher

Жыл бұрын

Sure. The 5800 X 3D is for those, who have good (fast) DDR IV RAM and maybe already an AM4 MOBO. Evenfor those, who have a bit cheaper AM4 board because of X 3D chips don't use that much of power, they only generate a bit more heat because of the 3D V-cache but also an A520/B450/X470/B550 board is good enough for it. Of course a 500 chip board is better supportwise but only from B550. ;) And I think, many people bought a 3000/4000 series chip with B550, or even a 2000 Seies with X570 and they can very well upgrade. Well, in older boards it is a bit more complex to upgrade because they do not support PCI-E 4.0. So if you use PCI-E 3.0 x 16 for the GPU, it is OK but if you use less than x16, then it is not so good.

@Hjominbonrun

Жыл бұрын

@@Theworthsearcher 5800x3d is less sensitive to fast vs slower ram so I would say the 5800x3d is for people who want max performance without having to shell out for fast RAM.

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

Don't know what for I'd need anything else than a 5800X3D & RTX 4090 than gaming till 120FPS at 4k. I just don't need anything else!

@torukmahtomahto409

Жыл бұрын

@@Serandi1987 for only 275..!!!

Currently sitting on an AM4 board with a 3900x. Definitely debating on whether or not the 5800x3d is a big enough upgrade to keep the rest of my rig going another couple of years, until it’s time to build a whole new setup. Or if I should just build a whole new rig early next year. While the conclusion here is not really helpful, the video itself does give me more info to work with to make a decision soon.

@bergdk237

7 ай бұрын

When your already on am4 i would say it is worth it!

My old Intel motherboard died recently so I was forced to upgrade, and in the end I went for the 7800X3D, with the logic being that it would be more future-proofed and not require me to do as many incremental upgrades, but the option to upgrade is available because of how new AM5 is means there will still be new CPU's released for a few years if I need to upgrade. Intel was basically a non-option this generation, same dead-end issue that AM4 has, and they suck up so much power and so much heat that I would need to spend more on cooling and energy bills too. I'm willing to swap out a lot of parts, but I consider changing motherboards to be a bit of a hassle, so the desire to avoid that was also a deciding factor.

@maegnificant

Жыл бұрын

You can just limit intel to 165W, makes no difference in gaming

I needed this video right now. Upgraded to a 4080, I play in 1440p , I can get the 5800x3d for $360 CAD . Compared to the $1000 to get into a 7800 the performance gain just isn't there. I'll be picking up the 5800x3d and waiting for the next gen.

I was tempted to upgrade to am5 and get the 7800x3d but seeing a lot of game benchmarks for 1440p and 4k the gain isn't much worth it from my current build of 5800x3d, 32gb ram and 4090. I'm happy to wait until am6 or later as I think the 5800x3d will be very good for at least 2 generations from now imo.

What if the gpu was not 4090Ti? , if it was 4060 or 4060Ti would it make the same diffirence or both cpus gave the same scores and both equal scores?

I have a 4090 and a 5800X3D. I obviously game at 4K exclusively. I feel that sure in some games having a 7800X3D I can gain some frames. But to right now then upgrade, RAM, Mobo and CPU is not really worth it for average of 4% more frames. Sure some games could be 15%, but I might not even play those. Then you have games with "frame generation" that eliminates any CPU bottleneck anyway. I feel I am better off "suffering" for another year until 8800X3D comes out and upgrade then for a likely far more substantial increase. Or go for "Arrow Lake".

@bootchoo96

3 ай бұрын

Same situation as you, 5800X3D at 4K doesn't change much from 7800X3D - I will last this pc for a long while

Going from a 5800x to a 7800x3d was very noticeable. I have a 4090 so wanted the best gaming cpu to go along with it. Was playing HZD at the time and i immediately noticed how much more consistent the frame times were. Game ran around 20fps higher but felt incredibly smooth and the 1 and .1% lows were far higher. No regrets and will definitely cop the 8800x3d whenever that releases (and a 5090 too lol)

@w0tness

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I was considering getting a 4080 + a 5800x, but after watching some videos and getting advice, I'm going to stay with my 3080 and get a 7800x3D + 32 GB 6000Mhz Ram instead.

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤

@Michelsen77

11 ай бұрын

​@@Serandi1987i just ordered my first uhd 32" monitor. I run a 5800x3d, 4090 and 32gb ddr4. I'm about to order a 7800x3d + new MB and ddr5 May i ask about your oppinion? You're telling it's not worth spending the money for the upgrade?

@Serandi1987

10 ай бұрын

@@Michelsen77 ok but you won't notice a difference at 4k gaming 🤔

@Michelsen77

10 ай бұрын

@@Serandi1987 i checked some comparison videos. The difference is not worth the price. So i stay with 5800x3d and ddr4 at the moment. That enough for me. Tarkov is bugged right now. Memory issues i heard

Always sensible and clear advice. According to AMD, AM5 is only supported for another 12 months anyway

I'll wait for next ryzen, currently on AM4 / 5xxx and don't feel the need for new platform.

One important thing to note, in the age of upscalers, is that if you're gaming at 4K and using something like DLSS or FSR 2, you're going to be running at 1440p or 1080p rendering resolutions, and if you're gaming at 1440p or 1080p, you're going to be gaming at even lower resolutions. So you might be more likely to see some of these CPU differences than you might assume. Also, side note, but it's actually kinda bizarre to see CPU performance differences that large at 1440p, and to see anything at 4K is absurd. I don't know if that speaks to the sheer power of the 4090, or to how CPU intensive modern games are.

I bought the 5800X3D for 298 Euros for my birthday 3 months ago. I dont think ill upgrade again before AM6 platform is out

@JBrinx18

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's my plan too. Waiting until I actually play a game from the last 5 years (still need to finish KOTOR2, Fallout 4), but then yeah, 5800x3d upgrade

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤

Thank you so much for making this video, I'm interested in VR with flight and combat sims and I'm in exactly this position and questioning which direction to go in. You highlight that there is very little between these two CPU's at 4k which is what I thought might be the case. My current system which i built in 2019 is X570 Aorus (AM4) with a 3600 CPU, 2070 super and 32GB of DDR4 and I built it for 1440 simming works very well but I really fancy going 4k VR. My dilemma is do I upgrade CPU to 5800X3D and go with a lesser card like a 4070ti maybe which would give me a good, less expensive upgrade to get me into VR or do I build a high end gaming rig from scratch plus a 4090 and I'm leaning toward the former. Maybe up the RAM to 64 Gig as well. PCVR isn't quite there yet so this is probably my best option currently. My inner demon tho is thinking that throwing more money as a compromise at my existing system is money I could put toward a high end build thus putting that inevitable build on hold for longer. Anyway, very informative video and thanks again.

@tottorookokkoroo5318

Жыл бұрын

There is absolutely no reason to get more than 32gb ram for gaming, not much of a reason in getting more than 16gb tbh. In some games you get better 1% or 0.1% lows with 32gb memory compared to 16gb with 0 improvement when going above. High resolution VR gaming is massively bottlenecked by gpu not cpu, so no point in buying 7800X3D. Honestly you will get excellent performance if you just buy the 5600 and 4070 ti. 5800x3d is overkill on 4k resolution with 4070 ti imo.

@garypowell1854

Жыл бұрын

@@tottorookokkoroo5318 Thanks. I've been researching 40 series cards and the 4070 ti doesn't look good value tbh. I'd like a 4090 but the cost is horrendous and I doubt my current set up will do the job, hence looking at lesser cards.

@tottorookokkoroo5318

Жыл бұрын

@@garypowell1854 Its worth checking out 6900 xt, 6950xt, 7900 xt and xtx too. Used 3080 are going for competitive prices as well and all of them should come with a warranty. What vr set are you planning on playing with? With the highest resolution vr sets, maxed out settings even 4090 might not be enough to max out the framerate.

@thelmaviaduct

10 ай бұрын

Go 5800x3D and 4090. You're only potentially losing on the 5800x3D in the future. 4090 is the only card worth buying for 4k flight simming, it's not cheap, but good value. 4090FE is £1520 at mo, other cards aren't any faster. No harm going 64GB ram either. Exactly what I've done for DCS.

@garypowell1854

10 ай бұрын

@@thelmaviaduct about 4 weeks ago I bought a 5800X3D, a deepcool AK 400 CPU cooler, a 4090 FE and a Corsair RM100x 1000W 80+ gold ATX 3.0 power supply. I also bought a Corsair 500D RGB case in black plus a load of extra fans and fan hubs. Still got my X570 aorus motherboard and 32 gb DDR4 RAM. It's now superb on IL2. Flying a MK Vb Spitfire with a Reverb G2 headset and everything on full except the grass I'm getting 91FPS and its as smooth as. I'd recommend a 4090 to anyone going high res VR fir flight or combat sims.

Ryzen 7 5800X3D is legendary CPU of the making CPU in the history. World first place. 😊😊😊

something to note, alot of ppl are using LG Oleds as 4k displays now and they are capped at 120hz, so while we see many games run above this many ppl will never get to see those frames.

@WarumWiesoWeshalb

10 ай бұрын

I even limit often games, to save energy and heat ^^ my room can get hot ^^ and gaming in 26-29 deg. is not fun.

I am sticking with my 5800x3d. DDR5 compatibility issues, am5 motherboard issues from all manufacturers and lack of pcie 5.0 nvme drivers is forcing my hand. Please everyone upgrade so you can pay to be a tester, then i can purchase a rock solid am5 board and 9800x3d two years from now.

@Finckelstein

Жыл бұрын

Upgrading from the 5800X3D to the 7800X3D is not advisable anyway, but those RAM Issues and motherboard issues are way overblown. I haven't had a single problem until now.

Will a MSI A520M-A PRO with the latest bios update be able to handle ryzen 7 5800x3d ( atm i have ryzen 5 3600 and gtx 1650 + 20 gb ram and yea i m planning to change the gpu too soon)

@sodapopinksi667

6 ай бұрын

The best way to check this is look at the bios update patch notes to see if they ever added 5800x3d support, or look for a support list.

I have a 5800x, 32gb 3600mhz cl16, and a 3090 ftw3 ultra.. would it be worth it to get the 5800x3D or just go AM5?

@peacekeeper6050

Жыл бұрын

Budget wise, 5800x3D is 10 times better. You're good for a few years at least after that.

@rowdied9829

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing but prices went down on AM5 so I bought the 7800x3d, ram and mother board and reused everything else. The thought process was that all I would need to upgrade in future is the CPU so making it future proof. In games that are actually CPU heavy like Arma 3, the FPS difference is minimum 30 fps better on average.

@peacekeeper6050

Жыл бұрын

@@rowdied9829 Sure, but if you think about it. If you have an AM4 PC build already, changing only CPU is as efficient as what you did, even more, since in the end, you spend just as much but later in time : Instead of changing Mobo now, you'd change it in 3-5 years, while it will be cheaper than today. Plus, the 5800x3D is cheaper too. So it's all the same, but much cheaper. Unless you're starting a totally new build, or maybe you really need the best performance (or if budget is not an issue), i'd say 5800x3D is always better than moving on to a new expensive platform no matter what.

Which one of them should i get if i have a 4070?

After watching this video and about 4 weeks ago I bought a 5800X3D, a deepcool AK 400 CPU cooler, a 4090 FE and a Corsair RM100x 1000W 80+ gold ATX 3.0 power supply. I also bought a Corsair 500D RGB case in black plus a load of extra fans and fan hubs. Still got my X570 aorus motherboard and 32 gb DDR4 RAM. It's now superb on IL2 and very quiet and stays cool. Flying a MK Vb Spitfire with a Reverb G2 headset and everything on full except the grass I'm getting 91FPS and its as smooth as. My old 2070 got so unbelievably hot I feared a fire. I'd highly recommend a 4090 to anyone going high res VR for flight or combat sims, yes they are horrendously expensive but you will not be disappointed.

Wich gpu was the best with 5800x3d maybe 4080 super ?

I have a 5600 paired with a 7900xt. It does the job very well since i'm limited to 120fps on my LG C1. I think about upgrading to a 5800x3d to give it more legs long term since the appeal of a new mobo/ram/cpu/cooler combo is not very sexy on the still immature AM5 platform.

@farmeunit

Жыл бұрын

AM5 is plenty mature. If you're already on AM4 it makes sense to stay there. Building new, makes no sense to not go AM5.

@torukmahtomahto409

Жыл бұрын

@@farmeunit Nice joke.. "just" double the price for a new AM5 rig vs a new AM4+5800x3d and triple just for cpu upgrade and when 5800x3d life is finished you ended to spend a lot more for AM5 "upgrade" path..

@farmeunit

Жыл бұрын

@@torukmahtomahto409 In US, They are the same price... Lol. No point buying old platform. Not sure where your double /triple come from....

@torukmahtomahto409

Жыл бұрын

@@farmeunit 5800x3d paid just 275 euro last month, paired with x470 Ch VII...even in US was 265 dollars, so what we are talking ??

@farmeunit

Жыл бұрын

@@torukmahtomahto409 Depends. 7700 equals the 5800X3D in majority of applications and is $275. Which is really irrelevant because I said if have AM4 already get AM4. So back to new, the processor is the same price. The 7700X is overall faster than the 5800X3D except for a handful of cache sensitive games. It's $300. The board I have cost $200 new. The X570 I have also cost $200 new. So no difference. I got free RAM from MicroCenter. So zero. Even if I paid for it, it is $100 for 32GB. So it would cost about $30 more for a better platform which can be upgraded just like people are doing now with the 5800X3D two years from now. So in short, if you get free RAM, it's actually cheaper to get AM5. If not, $30 more. Not to mention bundle discounts available at some locations.

If you need some big upgrade there's not point to go am4 anymore, it's a completely done platform. I'm on am4 with a 5900x though and it's nice to see the performance isn't insanely different, I'm likley gonna wait out the platform swap for a decent while yet till the price goes way down.

i can't upgrade from am4 to am5 because vendors not want me to upgrade, just look at the prices on motherboards and ddr5 in some countries outside US

Should I get the 7800x3d if it’s 100$ more expensive than the other one?

Better to get a 7600-7700 for around the same package cost, and have an upgrade path with similar performance to 5800x3d.. unless you're already on am4 obviously

Please do a comparison between those 2 to for 1% lows for Dota 2!

The PC market is so fantastic today... seems like there if no wrong answer.

Just got the 7800 such a massive upgrade

Waiting for next gen, maybe it would be worth upgrading.

I have the 2700x and wanted to upgrade, but changing to am5 with ddr5 and change motherboard, CPU and RAM is a lot. I'll wait for the 8800X3D for the AM5 upgrade. Btw I wanted to take the rx7800 xt but I'll see when the next CPU if there is a new gpu as well. If I stick to AM4 and take the Ryzen 7 5800X3D it will be difficult to upgrade later.

im running a 3600x, 1070ti ftw2 on a Asus Crosshair Hero VIII x570 and planning to buy a 4090 and run it at 1440p with the 3600x for 6-7months and after upgrade mobo ram cpu to zen5 this winter OR just wait everything up, buy a Zen5 system completly new with the 5090 about to be released ...

I upgraded from a 1600 AF to a 5600 to a 5800x3D, added a 6950 XT and I am pretty happy at 1440p. Meanwhile my 9 year old gets to enjoy my old Nitro+ 5700 XT. I'm good until I get the build bug again.

just upgraded my 5600x to the 5800x3d but should i upgrade my gpu? im currently on the rtx 3070

@tommymurrayuk

5 ай бұрын

considering the rtx 4070 super but i could do with some more vram

I’ve been racking my brain trying to decide if it’s worth it to go for the whole am5 setup. This video clinches it. I have a 5900x and 4090 and have an oled 120hz tv I use and so it doesn’t matter if anything can go over 120fps, it will be no good to me. The only games I’ve seen where the FPS is slightly significant are MSFS and Hogwarts which I don’t play. Alan wake 2 which I do play is exactly the same fps on both. It is totally not worth buying a whole new pc. Upgrading to 5800x3d. THANKS for the help!

What you dont see is that 1080p results shows the longevity of your CPU. You may be GPU bottlenecked now at 4K but after 2 3 years this will change as new games push your CPU harder. Again, 20 percent at 1080p is not a huge difference and doesnt justify the cost of 7800x3d especially if you already have an AM4 platform.

@Finckelstein

Жыл бұрын

Eh, you don't even have to look far into the future. For 4X gamers like me, the results are already there. I play games not bottlenecked by my GPU and can already see the uplift over the 5800X3D.

@loki76

10 ай бұрын

This is true. But most of us already on a 5800X3D is likely better off upgrading to 8800X3D or Arrow Lake instead of changing whole platform from AM4 to AM5 and only gaining an average of 4% at 4K. Better to just wait until next generation.

CPU's seem to have a longer Use life compared to GPU's I didn't upgrade from my 1600X until the 5800X3D came out. So I'll wait until the Ryzen 8000 or 9000 series comes out as I game at 4K & 1440p and there is not much of a significant performance boost there for me to even consider the upgrade other than the Faster RAM speeds of DDR5 but I don't think even that will have a big noticable difference for me just yet.

In my opinion you made one error. You did not include the cost of AM5 motherboard and DDR5 price in the final calculation. Because no one buys 5800X3D unless someone already have AM4 platform from previous build. So the only cost per frame is the new CPU. While for AM5, you must pay for everything, not CPU only. And, what is also important, I do not think many people will use X570 - so the latest motherboard - with 5800X3. I believe most people upgrade old systems. I myself upgraded from B350 + Ryzen 1600 to 5800X3D on my old B350 motherboard. For such people, 7800X3D is totally irrelevant, as the saving from using 1st gen motherboard with latest & fastest AM4 gaming CPU are even higher. So in summmary, you can have like 80-150% better gaming performance on AM4 with only switching CPUs, while you would need spend 2.5-3x that amount on AM5 for additional 15-20% more performance. 7800X3D makes sense only if you buy new platform, if you already have AM4 then AM5 is totally irrelevant and I think most people with 5800X3D will simply wait for AM5 successor and then switch whole platforms.

I'm running a 7900XTX and 5800X3D, I thought about moving to the 7800X3D but I'm not sure it's a big enough jump in performance

@Sicel1304

9 ай бұрын

The 5800x3d on average has about 80%-85% of the power of the 7800x3d. What resolution are you gaming at?

@frazer1988

9 ай бұрын

@@Sicel1304 1440p

@Sicel1304

9 ай бұрын

@@frazer1988 Yeahhh, it's honestly a toss up then. I mean, depending on what kinda games you play, you may notice some performance increase. But like for games where the FPS increase is only 20 frames or so? Not worth it in my opinion.

from a 3600 and a 5700xt, instead of going to AM5, I upgraded to a 5800x3d and a 4090. best upgrade ever since the extra money going to AM5 was used to upgrade to a 4k OLED TV

Sure native 4k is almost entirely GPU bound, but what about 4K using DLSS Quality? IMO, you guys should include that in future tests as it's a pretty realistic use case (even with a 4090) and would likely show a much wider gulf in performance.

@azerogames

Жыл бұрын

because they are testing the cpus not gpu's dlss is a feature of the gpu im guessing.

@ThisAintPizzaHut445

Жыл бұрын

​@@azerogames DLSS (and all upscalers) render at a lower internal resolution. 4K DLSS Quality, for example, renders at 1440p. And as we've seen here, there is around a 15-20% performance delta with the GPU bottleneck removed. Considering DLSS Q often looks as good or better than native, it's worth considering.

@pkpnyt4711

Жыл бұрын

@@ThisAintPizzaHut445 DLSS Q still has shimmering and HUD problems in F1 2021/2022 as well as MS Flight Sim (to name a few), so, no it doesn't look better than native. I should know, I play my 4080 and don't use DLSS because of that.

@ThisAintPizzaHut445

Жыл бұрын

@@pkpnyt4711 It's not *perfect* no, but neither is native. HUB did a pretty extensive comparison across several games and found it = or better than native in most. I quite happily use 4K DLSS Q in every game that has the option.

@pkpnyt4711

Жыл бұрын

@@ThisAintPizzaHut445 in the testing, it was equal or better than native most of the time at 1080p (some games in native looked a bit more washed out), but people with 4080s and 4090s play at high refresh 1440p and 4k. At these resolutions High Q DLSS is not better specially at 4k. People who say otherwise, are just willing to sacrifice fidelity/quality for more FPS (specialty for fast paced games).

ARGHHHH! I am so stuck now - AM4 system would be about 9.9 k Danish crowns for me ( about 1500 dollar ) without GPU. AM5 system is 1750 dollar so not a huuuuge difference - so now I am just completely stuck - darnit!!!!

The GPU was the limiting factor, so the test was invalid. example: In the graphics that the 7800x3d won, the consumption was higher. in the graphs where consumption was close, the impact was smaller, indicating that it had limited strength.

Im gaming at 1200p, so 5800x3d for me

I upgraded my 3900x recently to 5800x3d paired to 6900xt both water cooled, lost some performance in workstation workloads, but free 20% more gaming performance on same platform with zero investment was a no brainer.

I got a 7800x3d and 4090 with a 1440p monitor. The price difference in AUS is like $90, so I just went with the 7800x3d.

I build a new 7900x with 4090 but I still use often my older build 5800x with 4080 and now with 3070 and it’s been golden there isn’t much of difference in games even regular 5800x is totally fine and will be for at least 2 more years if not longer for the price it’s killer deal

As a 1440P gamer I'm not upgrading until the next, next gen! Hopefully I can find a 7900xtx on sale in the next few months!

@user-ib5pu9hm1y

Жыл бұрын

Hi. I just found one open box $749 powercolor red devil rx 7900 xtx

I think another point that most KZreadr's don't say is: you don't need more than your monitor's refresh rate! im happy with 5800x3d and 7900xtx

@markotto1767

7 ай бұрын

this is the true

most of you missing out dlss at 4k. than the gpu is rendering at 1440p / 1080p!

i7 4790k to 7800X3D or i7 13700 non-k. Which is better a choice?

@lw7918

Жыл бұрын

im doing the same, going with 7800x3d, much lower temps

My current rig has an 8700k i7. Just spent about $600 for upgrading to a 7800x3d. Figure if am5 sticks around as long as am5 did, it's a solid investment.

using 5800X3D + 6800XT, watercooled, huge upgrade from 3600 and 2060

Should I buy now for a new system the 5800x3d oder the 7800x3d. Its so difficult!

@palote99

4 ай бұрын

7800x3D ALWAYS

Would love to see these 2 compared to the AMD 7950X3D, so there is a budget (5800X3D) vs midrange (7800X3D) vs high end (7950X3D) for gaming.

@darbstre2900

Жыл бұрын

The 7950x3d is going to provide near identical results in gaming

@pengu6335

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the 7800X3D and the 7950X3D perform similar in games.

@TimLongson

Жыл бұрын

@@pengu6335 worth checking - the 7950X3D has MUCH higher boost speed and MUCH more CACHE.

@pengu6335

Жыл бұрын

@TimLongson I doubt it would make any difference. I'm pretty sure the 7950X3D parks half its cores while gaming? Isn't it essentially a 7800X3D while playing games that benefit from the 3D cache?

@darbstre2900

Жыл бұрын

@@pengu6335 you are correct. It disables one of the ccds when gaming. The 7800x3d is usually faster if you go watch a credible KZreadr who does fresh installs before each run as there's a bug where the 79xx3d chips bios will disable half the cores on the 7800x3d too. All of the larger yt do this it's mostly the benchmarking channels that don't.

Maybe the x3D CPU's are showing us Games that are not as perf tune, by far outperforming normal cpu's on those games.. I get the feeling that it is if a game is not optimised and doing unnecessary hash sort or something, then having large VCache would help.

thanks

I'm on a 5600x and was considering going to the 5800x3d but it didn't seem worth it for the cost so thought of the 7800x3d and a new motherboard and ram but watching this it's still not worth it. I think upgrading my 3070 is the best bet even with bottlenecks and waiting until the prices drop for an am5 setup.

Just throw in a 5800x3d, late to the party but was a huge jump in performance from my 5800x paired with a 7800xt at 1080p. its getting 240fps in most every game I play now and couldn’t be happier with the setup. The 7800x3d is a great chip but I’ll be on am4 with the 5800x3d for a good while forsure

My micro center has a $300 deal for the 5800X3D and a $470 deal for the 7800X3D so Im thinking save the extra $170 for a better GPU and just use the 5800X3D.

Keep in mind that you're going to be playing a lot of games at a lower resolution and then upscaling with DLSS or FSR.

Comparing cost per frame only taking cpus into account is a bit facetious since the motherboard and ram for 7k series is a lot more expensive.

I have both, the jump is very noticeable, but the 5800X3D is already a pretty high point of reference and is an absolute beast imo. I paired them with 3080 and 4080 respectively.

@ruupj6481

6 ай бұрын

Hi. Are you experiencing any bottlenecks in your system between the rtx 4080 and ryzen 7 5800x3d

@Mozart0230

6 ай бұрын

@@ruupj6481 They work fine

Good review and especially your final thoughts. For me I dropped in a 5800x3d quite some time ago when I picked up a 4090 just after launch. I plan to avoid the teething problems with the 7000 series. Also if you draw a line down the graphs where your Monitor refresh rate is then in reality some of the difference vanishes. Though I am personally looking at the 4k figures and even though my monitor (TV) is 120Hz games like Cyberpunk & Hogwarts don't max that out at Ultra+RT+FG with my 5800x3d, so I will certainly move up come the next CPU generation.

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤

@surfx4804

Жыл бұрын

@@Serandi1987 Yes I have an LG C2 42" on my desk :)

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

@@surfx4804 god bless you bro 😍🥰🙏👍

i am running a 5700X , it is a very good cpu specialy if you cool it with a liquid freezer ii 360 xD

Superb comparison. Glad you pointed out the real world issue regarding testing high end CPUs with high end GPUs at 1080p. That may be theoretically a better benchmarking test of the CPU, but it's unrealistic. On the CPU upgrade path, I'm still undecided. I'm moving up from AM3+ and an fx CPU, so for me it's whole new system territory. But AM5 has been problematic and even with recent price adjustments, it's still expensive and hasn't even tracked the price adjustments for end of line AM4. I keep my systems in use for a long time, so arguably the cost over 8 or more years isn't a deal breaker. The reliability may be. AMD and Intel are now selling what amount to overclocked chips, so they come with a propensity for failure that would have been considered unacceptable and probably still should be.

On amazon right now the price is within 50 USD

I bought an open box 5800X3D for $263 to replace my 5900X. I owned it for a month before I realized it would cost me about $40 to go to the 7600x/x670 Aorus Elite AX/32gb 6000mt CL30 Trident Z5 Neo. Sold the cpu/board and ram and ended up spending less out of pocket. Then I found a brand new sealed 7800X3D for $340 locally. Then a month later found another new 7800X3D for $260. And then a B650e-e Asus ROG Strix / 7600x for $240. So both Media PC's have 7600x and my PC and my Son's now has 7800X3D. I just can't pass up selling off old hardware when the price is right.

i love my 13600K🩵 + rtx 4080 combo, stick to it till arrow lake

7700X vs 7800X3D?

I'm upgrading to a 7800x3d from a 3900x. This will be quite the buff lol

the 5800x3D draws 500W and upwards ?? I'd need to fit a new PSU to upgrade my 3700x. Damn.

I bought an X570 board in 2020. I bought 32 gigabytes of 3600 mhz DDR-4. I bought a 3700X and an R580. I upgraded the R-580 to an RX 6700 a while ago. Now it's time to just drop a $300 5800X3D in the socket and keep going for another 3-5 years. If I run the 5800X3D as long as I run the 3700X it'll be 2028 before I buy a motherboard. I could even upgrade my video card quite a bit before this chip bottlenecks. I've been waiting to find one for less than $300. I paid $309. I'll receive it tomorrow. I hope a Peerless Assassin 120 will keep it cool because that's what I ordered to go with it. If you have a good AM4 board and especially an X570 this is a chance to stay relevant for a few more years without starting total over. I'll build eventually but my board and ram are only 4 years old. I love that I can pull a major upgrade without changing everything, not even a windows install involved. I've updated the bios but before I install the new chip I'll have to go turn off all boosts and overclocks because this chip isn't going to like it. I'm like a little kid on Christmas Eve here. I can't wait to play.

Debating on a 5800x3d or Ryzen 7800x3d , Currently on a 2700x with a B450 and 2 x 16gb 3200mhz

Basically, if you have or want to go for a 4090, it would be wiser to also get a 7800x3d or 13900x, even for the 4080 and x7900xt and xtx, so you'd be able to squeeze out the most performance out of it, but if you have a mid range or lower card, it might not be worth it.. although, your system will be more future proof and less CPU bound anyways, which is always good

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

No! You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤

@strongforce8466

Жыл бұрын

​@@Serandi1987 in the techpowerup review we see the 7800x3d is 5.4% faster than the 5800x3d at 4k, so not a whole lot but still if you want to get the most out of your 4090 you have to, the difference is anywhere from 5 to 30 fps in some games like age of empire 4, but yea overall it's not a huge boost let's be honest, I guess I kind of forgot to talk about 4k which is the resolution most people with a 4090 will probably play at

@Serandi1987

Жыл бұрын

@@strongforce8466 yeah it's OK bro I use my 4090 only up to 115 FPS in 4k@120Hz so the 5800X3D is just perfect for me and the 4090 consume very low power cause its undervolted to 875mV at 2500Mhz

Why does No Testing Tell us if a Game is Using GOOD or BAD Multi Core Utilization or Single Core Main Rendering Loads in regard to the CPU Bottlenecking Issues? I USE a 5800x3D with a 4090 24g GPU 64g ram I never play at 1080p Why should I? 😉

looks like minimal increase

Since cost to performance is a big deal, would had been nice to see a entry level 7600 vs the 5800x3d etc. I would not recommend people to spend 350$ on a cpu when they could get a faster platform for a few bucks more. After all People with aging am4 boards, like my self, with a x370 that is about 6-7 years old , eventually the board could die and then stuck with having to buy another am4 board. I made the mistake for buying a 5900x and putting it in a old board now, I get massive coil whine at idle because the board is used to a r7 1700.. I wish I went am5..

@christopherjames9843

Жыл бұрын

You can get 5800X3D's for about $285. Also your coil whine issue is pretty rare. There are countless people who have 5800X3D cpu's in X370 boards with no issue. I have a Taichi X370 and a Taichi X570 both with 5800X3D's and the X370 board works just as good for me. Including ram speed with four 8 Gig B-die ram sticks.

@farmeunit

Жыл бұрын

Try different PSU for coil whine issues. 7700 is about equal to 5800X3D. 7700X slightly faster, but depends on certain games for the extra cache. 7600 would be fine for "most". If you are basically buying new parts, it makes sense to go AM5. Especially if you need new motherboard. Hardware Unboxed just did a huge roundup. Gigabyte B650 Elite AX I paid same as my X570. Free RAM from MicroCenter, and 7700X.

@turboimport95

Жыл бұрын

@@farmeunit I already knew the 5800x3d was about the same as 7700x, Psu is not the problem, If I manually set the cpu speed say to 4.5ghz coil whine goes away.. If I set it to auto and let it boost to 5ghz, it will whine at idle. Under load it goes away. I Won't buy another am4 board, I would just wait until this one takes a dump and get Am5.

I'm skipping the first get AM5 processors and stick to my current setup for a few more years... 5800X3D RX 6950XT 64 GB 3600 CL 14 RAM...should be fine on 1440p for a while :)

Nice, now can you make 5800X vs 7700X in 2023

13:55 .... " Nvidia has leave the chat " LOL