Alpaca Basics for New Owners

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Everything you need to know if you want a pet alpaca!
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  • @pamphillips01
    @pamphillips012 жыл бұрын

    My son was killed 18 months ago and I have really been struggling. I’ve been going to an alpaca farm the past couple of months visiting them. I spend time learning about them and their needs, caring for them, their diet, all their do’s and don’t They have become my therapy. SO MUCH BETTER than seeing a grief counselor, in my opinion. I know my son is looking down on me with a smile. I know he approves. I can feel him there with me. And I’m telling you…. those beautiful creatures know I’m heartbroken and they’re trying to help me heal - as crazy as that sounds. Their eyes say it all. My goal now is to be ready for my 3 next year.

  • @humanterminator1056

    @humanterminator1056

    2 жыл бұрын

    Rip to your son sir god bless you

  • @brownbear7489

    @brownbear7489

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sorry to hear that.. wish u all the best in ur healing

  • @MJ13ish

    @MJ13ish

    2 жыл бұрын

    God grant you peace.

  • @patriciaR004

    @patriciaR004

    2 жыл бұрын

    Does not sound crazy at all, animal sense emotions. RIP 🙏😞 to your son, can't imagine your pain lean on to God and have faith.

  • @nigelcampbell9021

    @nigelcampbell9021

    2 жыл бұрын

    My condolences to you and your family.

  • @ButterInMyToes69
    @ButterInMyToes693 жыл бұрын

    My boyfriend comes from Peru and he has a bunch of alpacas at his house! Him and his siblings take care of them and shear their wool to make stuff. I recently got a scarf from him :)

  • @FatBellyChemist1234

    @FatBellyChemist1234

    3 жыл бұрын

    Congrats!!!

  • @teguhiswati3127

    @teguhiswati3127

    2 жыл бұрын

    Omgg looks like his family is very happy

  • @harry7bush

    @harry7bush

    2 жыл бұрын

    So sweet

  • @marysalinas6146

    @marysalinas6146

    2 жыл бұрын

    Awwww so cute

  • @josesanchez1716

    @josesanchez1716

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ok

  • @nothoughtsheadempty6510
    @nothoughtsheadempty65104 жыл бұрын

    They look so soft and fluffy

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes! So amazing to hug🤗

  • @TheUrbanBunny

    @TheUrbanBunny

    4 жыл бұрын

    It makes me want to cuddle them. 😊

  • @pragmatic

    @pragmatic

    3 жыл бұрын

    I bet they are. I own a Peruvian blanket poncho made from alpaca wool. Amazing stuff. It keeps me perfectly dry in the rain, the wool is water repellent and so much lighter and softer compared to sheep's wool

  • @chubyali

    @chubyali

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sweetie that white one looks like it's gna mount you...

  • @cheesewhise3241

    @cheesewhise3241

    3 жыл бұрын

    They are

  • @cocotheguineapig9027
    @cocotheguineapig90274 жыл бұрын

    I WANNA HUG THE ALPACA. IT LOOKS SO CUTE AND FLUFFY.

  • @hallisg4590

    @hallisg4590

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KopKing11 why not

  • @cocotheguineapig9027

    @cocotheguineapig9027

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KopKing11 oh LMAO

  • @MikeCheckBiloxi
    @MikeCheckBiloxi3 жыл бұрын

    Look at how long and fluffy their neck is...perfect hugging spot!

  • @ColombianMusclePapi
    @ColombianMusclePapi3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for being so authentic and real about alpaca. I see so many bad owners who keep 1 alpaca with a goat or worse... I alpaca with a dog. And think that is A-OK. When I ever get an alpaca it will be always THREE.

  • @mikefm4
    @mikefm43 жыл бұрын

    Wonderfully educational. Believe it or not my 2 year old is obsessed with them and we watch this video a lot. He loves watching you talk about them. And if down the road he becomes a caretaker of these wonderful animals he’s getting a great head start on knowledge!

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    3 жыл бұрын

    Love that! 💚

  • @dreamlifetravel5764
    @dreamlifetravel57643 жыл бұрын

    Alpacas are so cute...like soft toys roaming around..I visited an Alpaca Farm recently in Colorado, US...it was a great experience....made a video too....can't forget that day...watching the videos itself now makes me feel so happy :) Regards!

  • @beholden1663

    @beholden1663

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome for you - is your video on you tube?

  • @laclara4020
    @laclara402011 ай бұрын

    I just started working in a minizoo taking care of alpacas and some other animals, and literally no one knows what they are doing! So I am doing a bit of research to help organize everything correctly, this is really helpful

  • @MeganMcIntosh
    @MeganMcIntosh3 жыл бұрын

    We are considering alpacas so this video is a helpful place to start, thanks. Just a bit of feedback: Not sure if it’s just me, but I find the background music distracting. I think because of the whistling.

  • @TheUrbanBunny
    @TheUrbanBunny4 жыл бұрын

    They're so fluffy and soft. 😍😘

  • @andrealm
    @andrealm3 жыл бұрын

    sooooo lovely and gentle

  • @alligator4465
    @alligator44653 жыл бұрын

    These animals are so precious

  • @senseiloki7974
    @senseiloki79743 жыл бұрын

    I live in Australia and yes October and November is late spring and early summer. Love the video! 💖💛💖

  • @HASANALINZChannel
    @HASANALINZChannel2 жыл бұрын

    cute alpaca, I hugged alpaca, thanks for the vedio.

  • @JackieCali
    @JackieCali3 жыл бұрын

    Babies😍...Sooo beautiful and exotic! I just want to hug them and play in their fur😩❤️

  • @xXIronPeachesXx
    @xXIronPeachesXx3 жыл бұрын

    11:00 YOU DID IT BUDDY YOU GOT THE PETS!

  • @MisterBones223
    @MisterBones223 Жыл бұрын

    I never knew they were so complex. Very interesting.

  • @aubri530
    @aubri5304 жыл бұрын

    Alpacas are so cute

  • @speedzero7478
    @speedzero74784 жыл бұрын

    Really appreciate your knowledge here. Its very helpful, thanks for uploading.

  • @lairdcummings9092
    @lairdcummings90923 жыл бұрын

    Cool. Learned some things. Thanks!

  • @wbccentralny
    @wbccentralny4 жыл бұрын

    Love your pets

  • @irfanfirdaus7153
    @irfanfirdaus7153 Жыл бұрын

    Cute alpaca ❤️

  • @mr.v3061
    @mr.v3061 Жыл бұрын

    In this great 11 minute video, you can already see the difference in personality between those 2 alpacas 😄

  • @ethank5951
    @ethank59514 жыл бұрын

    I love the videos you inspired me to become a pet owner myself I now own a leopard gecko keep the good work up!!!

  • @Cnpslaysshorts
    @Cnpslaysshorts5 ай бұрын

    I love alpaca😊😊😊

  • @MNishi-dz9zr
    @MNishi-dz9zr Жыл бұрын

    I love this lady at least as much as the alpaca she is with. Everything in and about this video is SOOOOO CUUUUUUTE. I love when the brown one stares at the camera at around 8:24 :)

  • @user-xv6eu9du3c
    @user-xv6eu9du3c8 ай бұрын

    I learnt so much i have been trying to get it to alpaca's I'm 10 years old and post more alpaca videos please 😊

  • @DiamondBolt
    @DiamondBolt3 жыл бұрын

    i want one

  • @caodhanmawhinney875

    @caodhanmawhinney875

    3 жыл бұрын

    So do i

  • @LewisJamieson6

    @LewisJamieson6

    2 жыл бұрын

    No way u r here

  • @prestonward9096

    @prestonward9096

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well get 3

  • @ninjasword3074

    @ninjasword3074

    2 жыл бұрын

    J

  • @ninjasword3074

    @ninjasword3074

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hannahra911 No they can get more or less alpacas if they want

  • @gamesssful
    @gamesssful2 жыл бұрын

    Really informational . Thank You

  • @zuhayrfoendoe5651
    @zuhayrfoendoe56514 жыл бұрын

    I just hope in the future I can get some alpacas to even though I live in Curaçao I would love to gets some they are so cute and I love your alpaca videos really educational and fun

  • @765kvline
    @765kvline3 жыл бұрын

    You answered my question about herds. Three are best. Interesting. Like horses.

  • @thwibble
    @thwibble11 ай бұрын

    Thanks, really informative 👍

  • @BANNEDFundedTrader
    @BANNEDFundedTrader3 жыл бұрын

    Alpacas always look smiling lol

  • @nighthawk8325
    @nighthawk83253 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @FatBellyChemist1234
    @FatBellyChemist12343 жыл бұрын

    Alpaca wools are very nice.

  • @SixStringSteve
    @SixStringSteve29 күн бұрын

    Alpacas rock and go llamas! 🤘

  • @youremybiggestfan
    @youremybiggestfan3 жыл бұрын

    I have a dream. Btw my second name is Camilo. And when the white alpaca bit Camilo in the ear you looked at Camilo and told him to behave. I relate so much. Lol. These animals are so beautiful and i just wanna hug them

  • @Taylor-zc7mm
    @Taylor-zc7mm6 ай бұрын

    👏 thank you.

  • @oogemsquagger91
    @oogemsquagger91 Жыл бұрын

    I love them 😭😭😭

  • @cynthialinaweaver77
    @cynthialinaweaver773 жыл бұрын

    Very nice video thank you 😊

  • @Georgiaandfriends906
    @Georgiaandfriends906Ай бұрын

    Dogs are like that they are quite clean animals

  • @sdmheck
    @sdmheck4 жыл бұрын

    Hi I love the alpacas their so fluffy

  • @realfex
    @realfex3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great video! :) How much space (in square meters) do they need (per animal or as a 3 animal herd)?

  • @brysonalden5414
    @brysonalden5414 Жыл бұрын

    We've been offered three adult male alpacas, and one female (free!). Thanks to this video I now know they would need to continue to be segregated. Very helpful on many topics, thanks for posting!

  • @nealtomlinson8476
    @nealtomlinson84764 жыл бұрын

    Great informative video, thank you. I am based in the UK 🇬🇧 and want to start keeping Alpacas do you have any tips for startups?

  • @LittleKingdom3
    @LittleKingdom34 жыл бұрын

    My last year teacher has alpacas!

  • @growingwithjoy
    @growingwithjoy2 жыл бұрын

    I plan on getting 2, I know you said the magic number is 3 and I know why.. but I plan on taking really good care of them. The reason you want 3 is in case one gets sick and passes away, then the other isn’t super sad because they still have one companion to vibe with.. loved the video! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @magasaurus7210

    @magasaurus7210

    2 жыл бұрын

    They are a herd animal. 2 is not a herd. If you can’t support three then look for another type of pet. Goats do well in pairs.

  • @lilac._

    @lilac._

    Жыл бұрын

    @@magasaurus7210 yes, goats do well in pairs too. they also do well in herds, but they aren’t like alpacas where they have to be with 3, they just have to be with 2 or more.

  • @angelinaroman8601
    @angelinaroman86014 жыл бұрын

    Sooooo adorable!!! 😍

  • @mikemartinez9466
    @mikemartinez94663 жыл бұрын

    On the whole, are they friendly? What kind of shelter do they need in cold months? Are they expensive?

  • @akane8638
    @akane86383 жыл бұрын

    Cuteee

  • @ah5721
    @ah57212 жыл бұрын

    How do you find a reputable sheerer ? What do you do with the fleeces? Can they be socialized with dogs?

  • @itzrosii419
    @itzrosii4192 жыл бұрын

    Alpacas 🦙 😊

  • @cristhianrodriguez7807
    @cristhianrodriguez7807 Жыл бұрын

    ALPAKAS FOR FEMALE!! AND BUFFALO FOR MAN!!.😄🥰 GREETINGS FROM PERU!! AND BOLIVIA!!.

  • @bartboesten
    @bartboesten3 ай бұрын

    Hi, from the Netherlands. They are my positif addiction 😂. Outside preaching the word of Jesus or a match of Feyenoord. They are so calm.

  • @kevinwilliam9835
    @kevinwilliam98353 жыл бұрын

    The music in the background is irritating. But the video is nice.

  • @babababu4126
    @babababu41263 жыл бұрын

    So we just got 2 male alpacas, is there any way to make them friendlier, they kind of just walk away when you get close to them

  • @ashleefreed8242
    @ashleefreed82424 жыл бұрын

    were do u get the halter at what are the best type

  • @deathsheep1997
    @deathsheep19973 жыл бұрын

    I need them

  • @nathanhughes9996
    @nathanhughes9996 Жыл бұрын

    G'day I have just purchased a farm in Australia with 2 lovely Alpacas Alphie and Lennie they are 7 years old and both wethers. I have been trying to bond with them but they are a bit skittish. I have managed to feed them fresh Mulberry leaves to coax them to me. What else can I try to be friend the 2 boys? Any tips appreciated 😁

  • @nothoughtsheadempty6510
    @nothoughtsheadempty65104 жыл бұрын

    What would you recommend for people who live in places with cold winters and lots of snow to do with alpacas during the winter?

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    4 жыл бұрын

    As long as they have shelter, a fully enclosed barn they will be fine. Alpacas actually enjoy snow.

  • @Charles36.
    @Charles36.2 жыл бұрын

    I love them. I tell my wife I want one or two all the time that and a cow lol

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    2 жыл бұрын

    And now you know one can't be a single pet

  • @Charles36.

    @Charles36.

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@HappyTailsAnimals of course if I would get any I would make sure to do all the correct research and care before getting something like that.

  • @zachhaynes5052

    @zachhaynes5052

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HappyTailsAnimals what alpaca names

  • @Coldgecko
    @Coldgecko3 жыл бұрын

    Super great. I'm moving to Texas and I would like to get 3 of something -- 2 alpacas and 1 llama or some combination. Question: How much land do I need to dedicate for the 3 animals? Can you send some kind of example of shelter which is fine for them? In Texas the grasses can be limited -- can the Llamas live on hay or must they graze?

  • @89ksokd91

    @89ksokd91

    2 жыл бұрын

    Three alpacas an acre is what I have read, though I have seen farms operate on less, and it doesn't appear it harms the animals. Research.

  • @jilenejensen1539
    @jilenejensen1539 Жыл бұрын

    I have not raised alpacas and llamas but just by watching their behavior they could be extremely flighty at times especially the babies. obviously I want to at some point.

  • @alanaa6018
    @alanaa60183 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all the information? May I use part of this video in my Outschool virtual classes for children between 3 and 7. It would be very helpful. Thanks.

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sure :)

  • @zachhaynes5052

    @zachhaynes5052

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HappyTailsAnimals what alpaca names

  • @MeanGreen1345
    @MeanGreen13452 жыл бұрын

    What about predators in the north? Do you have tips for keeping them safe from predators like black bears and mountain lions?

  • @Royal.highhness
    @Royal.highhness2 жыл бұрын

    😍😍😍

  • @muslimDeen137
    @muslimDeen1373 жыл бұрын

    Llamas can kill predators, so keep ome of them with them

  • @nataliedroopy9964
    @nataliedroopy99643 жыл бұрын

    Fluffy

  • @reneemiller4478
    @reneemiller44782 жыл бұрын

    Which is sweeter for pets, alpacas or llamas?

  • @rayakitz1255
    @rayakitz12552 жыл бұрын

    What are the best halters?

  • @diakydiaz
    @diakydiaz2 жыл бұрын

    ALPACA: "Who is she talking to??!! I'm concerned. Really concerned. "

  • @SrikanthPRABHA7
    @SrikanthPRABHA7 Жыл бұрын

    The brown Alpaca loves you so much , I guess…btw, can we pet them? Or do they bit/kick strangers?

  • @starline7960
    @starline79602 жыл бұрын

    I am from pakistan I like ur channel ✨🌹🌹

  • @JonaVicis
    @JonaVicis3 жыл бұрын

    Did you train the dogs to hurd the Alpacas

  • @Rosaiah79
    @Rosaiah792 жыл бұрын

    Question if you have a dog do alpacas like dogs ?

  • @debbiespruce250
    @debbiespruce2503 жыл бұрын

    we have purchased a property that has two Alpaca. We have not moved yet so do not know the sex or age. If I were to get an additional one, would you recommend a Llama or Alpaca? Also is there any issues with age of the new addition in relation to the other two?

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    3 жыл бұрын

    I would recommend a llama so that they have a guard

  • @a-1886
    @a-18863 жыл бұрын

    How old were these alpacas during the video? I really want one or correction what I learned from the video 3!

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    3 жыл бұрын

    These guys are 3 years old. Just became young adults

  • @farrahvee
    @farrahvee2 жыл бұрын

    I want to start a hobby farm with alpacas

  • @chloeblack50
    @chloeblack504 жыл бұрын

    I'm early and how much land do u need for an alpaca

  • @karshmellow3021

    @karshmellow3021

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think it is 5 per acre

  • @MiaKhalifa-ff8ke

    @MiaKhalifa-ff8ke

    3 жыл бұрын

    Its 1.5 an acre I think

  • @yashsinghrathore9615

    @yashsinghrathore9615

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MiaKhalifa-ff8ke I love your videos 🤪🤪🤪🤪😅😅😅

  • @sallyhunter2389
    @sallyhunter238910 ай бұрын

    Hi there. How would you go about socialising an intact male with a gelding. Both are adults.

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    10 ай бұрын

    Not sure how you are using the term socializing here? Sounds like you mean in terms of how would you socialize a dog. If so, first thing to understand is that they are not dogs.

  • @9razzler9
    @9razzler94 жыл бұрын

    for similar-gender pack, do you still recommend neutering at the right age?

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    4 жыл бұрын

    It really depends on your situation. Personally I wouldn't unless I was having problems with an aggressive male. I've heard other farmers make the claim that the coat quality goes down if the male is left in tact. Idk I think that might be a myth.

  • @caodhanmawhinney875
    @caodhanmawhinney8753 жыл бұрын

    I have a question If I get 3 alpacas can I house goats with them

  • @tinksmith4964
    @tinksmith49642 жыл бұрын

    I might be taking a little animal care job & they have alpacas. Just doing my research aha

  • @alqaw.7148
    @alqaw.71484 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video about Donkey care ? Please like so Meghan can see it !😅🤩

  • @johnhayes6631
    @johnhayes66314 жыл бұрын

    You made me convince my parents to get a pet so thank you so much 😊🐹🐹I got a Dwarf hamster 🐹🐹🐹🐹🐹🐹🐹🐹 I love your videos

  • @thefox9070

    @thefox9070

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you get a dwarf hamster, you should get more than one.

  • @incredibl4227
    @incredibl42274 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video like this for hedgehogs? I want to get one but I want to learn how to take care of it first!

  • @elinelavasea5531
    @elinelavasea55317 ай бұрын

    Can i keep 2?

  • @Backitch23
    @Backitch233 жыл бұрын

    *soft bois*

  • @petemackaa6546
    @petemackaa654610 ай бұрын

    We are moving to a property in a few weeks and inheriting their 4 well-loved alpacas...the thing im confused about is they have 2 boys 3 and 1, their 6year old mum and her 4 year old sister living together. After your video im now under the impression the boys should be separated from thd girls....or in this suitation being family does that change things? Don't wantvto seperate them unless i have to....appreciate your help😊

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    10 ай бұрын

    The first thing you should learn about animals is that their relationship to one another, mother son father daughter, changes nothing. These people were not follow reccomended guidelines.

  • @christopherlucy1772
    @christopherlucy17723 жыл бұрын

    How do they get sheared if they're in the wild in South America?

  • @PeruchoPastrulo

    @PeruchoPastrulo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Out of the 4 camelids in South America, only the guanaco lives in the wild. Llamas and alpacas have been domesticated by ancient Peruvians thousands of years ago. The tiny Vicuña is semi domesticated, meaning, they live in the wild but need to be sheared once a year as well. Instead of feeding the vicuñas, indigenous communities have built fences that surround huge extensions of grassland so vicuñas won't escape and get easy to chase, sheared and released every year. Alpacas descend from vicuñas, whereas llamas descend from guanacos.

  • @ruth7933
    @ruth79334 жыл бұрын

    Very informative, especially about their feeding needs. I was wondering: how much space do they need? We're concidering to keep two or three alpacas in our back yard, but not sure we have enough space for them to fare well there.

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    4 жыл бұрын

    Honestly a quarter acre would be fine for 3. Not a lot of room needed

  • @ruth7933

    @ruth7933

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@HappyTailsAnimals thank you! Then we may be able to keep three, so that would be good for them. We'll be looking into care and costs of care more before making the decision!

  • @MPhussarW
    @MPhussarW3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome to alpacastan

  • @johanfehr5916
    @johanfehr59163 жыл бұрын

    Where can you buy alpacas?

  • @gotdiamonds11
    @gotdiamonds113 жыл бұрын

    Where are you and your farm located?

  • @watertree1
    @watertree13 жыл бұрын

    I don't know all the informations until you share. Thanks, turns out I'm not qualified for keeping them.

  • @89ksokd91

    @89ksokd91

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you realize this.

  • @jenniferjones471
    @jenniferjones4712 жыл бұрын

    Shane, ryland ? Are you guys watching this with me 😍🤣🤣

  • @mia7064
    @mia70644 жыл бұрын

    Is it ok if I am getting 2 because that's all I have room for because of the horses???? PLZ respond to this because I'm not really sure?

  • @sprince7918

    @sprince7918

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tap the three dots to edit. I think you ment sure

  • @HappyTailsAnimals

    @HappyTailsAnimals

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, 3 is the minimum. No point in starting off the wrong way

  • @mia7064

    @mia7064

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HappyTailsAnimals ok thx for the feed back I haven't got any yet so that's good!

  • @mia7064

    @mia7064

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sprince7918 ok!

  • @triple9silver203
    @triple9silver2032 жыл бұрын

    But what is the purpose of raising them? What do they provide ?

  • @dsa0decoded
    @dsa0decoded2 жыл бұрын

    Panda : So now we have competition

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