There’s a limit to the time a commercial driver can drive without a break. Therefore as long as the battery can cope with that length of time and be recharged in the length of the legally required break, what is the problem? All that is needed is for charging points to be at places where there are toilets and eateries.

@hamshackleton

2 жыл бұрын

Transit-type vans are not (yet) time-limited by a tachograph, so they can be driven 24 hrs non-stop if the driver can manage that! - - Here in the UK, tacho-trucks are allowed 4.5 hours continuous driving, followed by a 45 minute break, then another 4.5 hours. You can't get much of a charge in 45 minutes, assuming there's a charger available that works!

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

We all know the EV rest-stop meme.... But a rest room break is not long enough for get much a charge.... So Battery Swapping would be far more practical in the real world...

@jur4x

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamshackleton And don't forget, that break has to be taken when tachograph tells you to, not "roughly after 4,5 hours give or take". Also, once you stop and rest you can't even move your lorry or bus. I spoke to couriers. They often eat on the go, because they have no time to take a break. And they often do a lot of miles simply because it is not A->B->A. It is A->B->C->D->...->ZZ->A.

@hamshackleton

2 жыл бұрын

@@jur4x - yes I know - been there done that, glad I'm out! Pressure, pressure, more more go faster.

@snazzy5844

2 жыл бұрын

You're only talking about delivery drivers. A lot if not most vans are used by tradesman and others. In that case you may be going from job to job. Actual driving hours are far less than the time spent doing the job. More time charging, less time on jobs, less pay. You only get paid for what you do.

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

Good informative chat, probably just need to add that fortuitous charging while doing something else is useful. So having lunch, jump on a Rapid for 30 minutes; stopped at a customers for an hour or two, see if you can get a charge there - most will oblige and commercial premises have 3 phase.

Very clear discussion - well done! 👍

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Regarding commercial vans, it's all well and good saying charge overnight - BUT - where I used to work, the vans almost never stopped unless they broke down! The day-shift driver would bring it in at the end of his shift, and park it for the sorter-loaders to empty. Then the night-shift driver would take it to his 'door' and load it, before going out, and the cycle would repeat. So the van was never stopped for more than an hour (and often less) shared across two locations. To make this work with an ev, would need twice as many vehicles!

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

Battery Swapping would be a far better option, especially for vans... Let hope the makers figure that out...

Good information talk

Thank you for letting me listen in 🤙

It would beneficial if you did a video about how you are meant to run one if are solely restricted to the public charging network, as many can neither charge at home, nor at work. As I see it now, the network is no where near reliable, available or cheap enough to guarantee fast charging as many would need every day.

My big question is where 6-7m vans will charge. They will overflow the usual car-size spaces you see laid out for chargers. Where will campervan and motorhome owners charge? Infrastructure needs to start allowing for this. Spaces laid out at an angle might help. But bigger vans will need to charge and there’s a lot of them in non-commercial use as campers, ambulances, police, etc.

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right Joe - I hope to be getting some insight on the scale of the challenge

@gmac4737

3 ай бұрын

Electric hook ups can be converted to chargers for campers

how easy is the charging up when travelling to the continent? Are multiple phone apps required depending on how many countries you'r passing through?

@GlynHudson

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually easier in mainland Europe than in the UK, there's much more interoperability between networks. Ice driven my EV all over Europe without any issues m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqR_ldClddC9fKw.html

Rapid charging rates are not random, the charging rate depends on state of charge of the battrey, temperature of the battery and the available power from the rapid charger. Every van will be slightly different but the sweet spot for maximum charging rate will be arriving at 20% SoC with the battey about 20 degC. A cold battery will charge slowly, charging rates also reduce significantly above 80% SoC. Some vans with poor cooling systems e.g e-NV200 also slow down charging rates when the battey gets too hot.

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

Whilst I agree to some extent the fact is you do not know what rate of charge you will get from the charger you plug into. There are so many variables that it makes it very difficult to be sure.

@GlynHudson

2 жыл бұрын

@@electricvanman most people will get to know their own vehicle if they pay attention to what charging rate they're getting. If its charging slowly is usually means The SoC is too high or batrey is too cold. BTW I though you did an excellent summary of all the different charging options. While planning is initially very useful, drivers will quicky get the know the charging options around their regular routes, and these days there are so many options being totally stuck is very unlikely. The best advice for new EV drivers would probably be to test using public charging stations before you absolutely need to!

Here in Luxembourg virtually all private homes have 3 phase supply.

@GlynHudson

2 жыл бұрын

Same in Germany I believe. However, it's very rare in the UK for three phase in a domestic home. Although some newer homes are being future proofed by having three phase

@ecoworrier

2 жыл бұрын

@Glyn Hudson I future proofed my house when I built it 10 years ago and also put 2 three phase connections into the garage.

@mortenlundbjrk7667

2 жыл бұрын

Same in Denmark a standard house supply is 3*400/230V 3*25A.... This i where UK grid are so different that the discotions is not so relaxant for us in dk.... Proberly the same for other 3 phase markets.

IMHO its crazy that Battery Swapping, is not being rolled out for commercial EV fleet owner. 1st, such as for vans vs retail branded EVs like NIO. Since it addresses the needs of commercial owners to a greater extent and battery packs can be more easily standardized for commercial vehicles. And owners who.will sometimes need to use DCFC now, with high demand charges. Battery Swapping, that can charge at off peak hours, would be a more cost effective option. So large fleet owners will have an incentive to invest in Battery Swapping Stations to reduce operating costs for their business. Also the minor higher initial cost for Battery Swapping enabled EVs, will be much less than Fuel Cell vehicles. And its improved logistics (such as varying its battery pack size based on its daily demands) and cheaper battery pack upgrades, So its long term operating costs will be lower than a non-Battery Swapable EV. And DCFC demand charging char is much more costly than a Battery Swapping

@nathanbrumbaugh8545

2 жыл бұрын

Really wonderful comment thanks

I would argue that if you’re looking at doing 300 miles in a day then you shouldn’t be looking at where you can charge - you should be looking at where you can fill it up. The current crop of EV vans would be impractical. Fortunately that’s not a typical use case for most.

So many challenges to make this work right now with the technology that exists currently. I’m sure it’s country dependent and could work in certain instances, but in the United States, the average business owner would never signup for so many interruptions to their workflow. Are you paying for your employees to sit at a charger? Are you having to reschedule appointments because of charging? Are you having to reduce your daily appointments to allow more in between charging time? When owner vehicles travel home with them, not back to a central depot, are they responsible for charging in their residence (street parking, apartment, etc) or will they be required to wake up even earlier, drive to a charger, then have a lengthy on the clock charging station before their day even begins? At some point we need to step back and realize gasoline and gas stations are still far quicker and far more available when keeping business continuity at its peak. Right now electric trucks are useful in edge cases, they just aren’t ready for mainstream, especially if you also need to tow equipment behind it for your job too.

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

Go tell Ford.... you know best, gottta love YT wannabe experts FLMAO :).... and Battery Swapping, will make them more widely used... since this is just the start....

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

or Rivian or GM's Brightdrop, etc...

as the company I work for has been finding out, what it says millage works if you had an empty van. With our fully kitted vans it doesn't last the day!

While this was yet another informative piece, I expect that any fleet manager would be asking "how to I calculate Total Cost of Ownership?" for an EV van fleet. Keeping your EV powered could be a significant outlay if chargers need to be installed at place of work.

@kassistwisted

Жыл бұрын

There was a video on this channel about the savings in fuel costs for fleets compared to the cost of charging. Have a look.

More competition for the charging network, followed a delivery van into a Shell station only to see them take the single charger I planned to use, got home scraping the bottom of the battery. Not the vans fault, more chargers please.

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

Battery Swapping would be a far better option, especially for vans...

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

@@nc3826 Agreed but seems a long way off for vans at the moment

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

@@electricvanman China leading the way, for the.moment... Let hope its not a long way off for the West?

Being ignorant of the numbers how much power does a typical milking parlour use? Would you be able to run a 50 kW rapid charger off that supply when the cows are elsewhere?

The biggest issue for a tradies van is when it’s all kitted out with your racking system and filled out with your equipment the range drops off a cliff.

@kinross24

2 жыл бұрын

Even so, still plenty range for a days work with, say, eVivaro, new eTransit, Citroen etc

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

since the have regen... they do far better than an ICEV.... but Battery Swapping is needed....

@jamesdk5417

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinross24 I guess it depends on your coverage area and the vehicle. The VW van and a few others only give you 30 to 40 miles once fitted out.

@kinross24

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdk5417 the current VW van isn’t an ev made by VW but by AB and doesn’t have rapid charging technology. Ground up made EV vans will be the game changer!

@jamesdk5417

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinross24 all I was trying to convoy was a common consumer isn’t advised of the shortcomings of a commercial electric vehicle when fully laden. People like us that consumer this content are more aware of their shortcomings. In the real world tradies wanting to go electric don’t understand their shortcomings. I believe their shortcomings need to be explained more that may stumble onto this content or future content.

The country's largest utility company soon to go electric has told its mobile engineers if you don't have home parking for your vans you will have to use selected chargers in your own time after work this would be sitting in your van off pay but not at a private charger because you are now getting parking fines that means fast food outlets and supermarkets so if you are not a owner operator be prepared to be sitting at chargers off pay no company is going to pay you for sitting in your van I forgot to add the company did fit free home charging units to people who did have home parking

When discussing the peak power availability, timing your charging to avoid clashes with high office or workshop consumption or upgrading power availability by adding batteries, solar panels etc was never mentioned.

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

You are right. It does get discussed, I guess time precluded us from getting that in this episode. It is certainly a factor to consider when looking at commercial charging

Hang on a minute. All batteries are charged with DC. AC comes into the charging unit, is rectified (old school by a Wheatstone bridge) into DC, possibly smoothed by some capacitors so that it is not pulsing DC and that goes into the battery and charges it. So what is the DC charging you are talking about. The lines don't carry DC. All the power that comes into your facility/house is AC which, if needed, is rectified into DC.

fantastic video, excellent thanks; NOTE TO THE EDITOR; LINKS AT THE END OF THE VIDEO DO n o t APPEAR ............

The other issue with a hydrogen van now is that all of the hydrogen is made from natural gas so you're still using fossil fuel to drive and arguably given the energy intensive process to produce that hydrogen you'd be better driving an ICE van.

@stevehayward1854

2 жыл бұрын

From a business point of view, Hydrogen vehicles are more expensive to run than an ICE vehicle

I like to say normal outlet, Dryer or oven outlet, and high voltage DC i.e. supercharger. In US terms, 220/240 with 40 amps or 60 amp is all the same. The car will figure that out.

There is no reason a charging depo couldn't max out its incoming supply by charging power walls or battery stations which intern could charge the vans. Like a water course feeding a reservoir

12:00 please do not confuse kilowatts for kilowatt hours.

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry! It does happen from time to time... We even commented on it whilst shooting this. People generally know what we mean but fair cop to point it out!

Can we address the elephant in the room. Towing ! This week I picked up 5 tons of materials, and took away a 2 large trailers of concrete rubble. Most days I use a trailer, and I am far from alone, builders, tree surgeons, landscaper's, etc.

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

Towing is not yet possible.... This is a transition and we need to tackle each use case as we develop the tech to do it... Watch this space for towing as there maybe a solid solution not too far away!

@mowtownni4587

2 жыл бұрын

@@electricvanman Thank you for taking the time to reply. I know EVs have come a long way in the past ten years. But I would have preferred to see a staged removal of petrol and diesel vehicles as and when electric was up to the job. And the charging infrastructure which does not accommodate anything but cars or small vans.

If range anxiety is a thing for EVs, for hydrogen vehicles it’s going to be huge. I worked with hydrogen fuel cells for five years, they were always going to be great in a few years time. The physics just doesn’t support it. It’s a sop to the oil and gas industry, that’s all.

What is this about a 50 kW battery? Shouldn't that be kWh?

@alanwardrop9575

2 жыл бұрын

And "a kW gets around 2 to 3 miles into the battery" - charging at a kW would take a long time to do that

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanwardrop9575 Exactly. Many unit mistakes in this video.

Cost of DC fast chargers will come down as the industry scales.

I have a 10 year old van ..600 miles on a tank.

Because the Hydrogen molecule is so small it will slowly leak from a tank.

There seems to be a lot of probably, kind of, should be, maybe answers given to all questions asked here. The owner of a van seems to have to be constantly figuring out and calculating instead of concentrating on doing their actual job while the supplier of the actual van and charging points is giving a very vague answer to just about everything. Many people can not charge overnight at home as there are more flats than houses in UK. Van drivers are not going to leave a van loaded with tools in a public charge point overnight many blocks from their home or have to get up even earlier to have to find a charge point or be constantly wasting time during a work day to top up and again find a charge point. Customers homes are not service stations so not practical to charge there or they too live in flats. Many vans are driven loaded as why have a van if it's empty and again the range is greatly reduced if driving loaded. Electric vans are like a child with a great idea but no practical way of realistically making it work.

Ideally interested entrepreneurs will conceptualize the possibility of establishing a network of smaller more personal and privately held electrical energy supply business opportunities. I envision an opportunity to create a more diversified grid. Looking at maps of the current cross country power line infrastructure I see opportunity in securing early land holdings in close proximity where new enterprises arise. A simple early model would range select best locations between initial stations. Initially, investments along the larger cross country power line grid concept would include viable alternative energy production, storage, and grid fed power solutions which operate as hubs to the transportation industry. Branching out from there creates more opportunities with smaller stations in closer proximity of both lessor or more established hubs. The possibility of linking into and creating new infrastructure possibilities is endless. Interesting is that the initial model places much emphasis on range distance and time but as the goals are met there is a shift toward lower cost production and cleaner energy both of which have proven to be reckless in the commission of large industry with large investment strategies.

Isn't it strange that people are OK with driving a petrol vehicle with a Quarter tank of fuel everyday. But are worried about range when driving a vehicle with a full battery Every Morning... Especially when they charge overnight at home, then leave home and never need to go to a filling station. When all they need is 50 miles of range when even a lowly Hybrid like the Ampera E OR a Volt has the minimum of 53 miles of range on battery alone. Other Plug in Hybrid's have less range but the range is coming up on newer models. Thus putting PHEV's with the range of the normal driving distance that people travel should be enough with 40 - 50 miles of range daily. I live in North America - Northern Ontario Canada as a matter of fact. When I bought my GM Volt, there were no options to actually buy a BEV. Which in of itself is the better choice given that Range is greatly compromised for Winter driving, which drops my range to 65% ... I have heard that a battery likes it to be at a temperature that we as humans find comfortable and a PURE EV operates at best when the outside temperatures are in the 70 F degree to 75 F degree range. Like a human being the battery does not like the temperature to be either too HOT or too COLD and they lose their ability to store energy. I have always maintained that the best scenario is to put BEV where the temperatures are mid range AND to use Plug in Hybrid's in those climates that make's them operate at their peak. Thought's??

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

petrol stations are ubiquitous..... DCFC stations are not and they much slower and they are broken far to often.... WADR your just being obtuse, about a real issue for most ppl at this time....

If we've learnt anything from the recent UK ICE fuel delivery fiasco, I still can't see how H2 makes sense. You'll still have all the same issues + probably might also be subject to a carbon tax, depending on your H2 supplier & thus an additional unnecessary cost to doing business. Ubiquitous distribution of electricity as opposed to limited number of H2 refueling depots. ⚖️⚖️⚖️⚖️

@snazzy5844

2 жыл бұрын

But then the grid itself is subject to outages, as we have seen in the recent storms. It also has the same issues. At least with ICE you have a greater range in the tank than the current crop of EVs. I'm sure it will change, but not yet.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@snazzy5844 Hydrogen refuelling stations require quite a lot of electricity to be able to operate.

@snazzy5844

2 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv No they don't in comparison to EV chargers, although a power outage would really effect any fuel or energy distribution. My point was that there is no 100% reliable way of filling or charging, but you do at least have that additional margin with conventional fuel. In that weird fuel crisis we had for instance, I started with a full-ish tank and could get to work with no problem. An EV van couldn't have done the same if I couldn't charge it. Aside from that H2 can make more sense for heavier vehicles. Having to add several hundred kWh of energy is rather impractical with electricity in a reasonable time with the current infrastructure. Downtime costs money.

Where is the flying saucer I was promised as a kid by the year 2000? 2000 happened 22 years ago, and still nothing! Now the cars look like living rooms on wheels. With computers coming out of driver's nose! I want my flying saucer I was promised.

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

the flying saucers left.... when then found no intelligent here... thx for proving that fact ;)

Thank you... an honest conversation over commercial vehicles and electric. I'm hopeful if we have to change away from fossil fuels, then hydrogen for commercial and indeed passenger cars. electric is simply too complicated, if in doubt, watch this video!

@xxwookey

2 жыл бұрын

It's not rocket science. Are you innumerate or something? Yes it's new, but it's really not that complicated: higher-power chargers charge faster. You only need to care about this if you actually need to charge faster than 'overnight'. Everyone can look at a display that shows how full the battery is and how fast it's charging. Quite a lot tell you in miles per hour, which is what you often actually wanted to know: 'how long will it take me to get another 30 miles-worth'?

@electricvanman

2 жыл бұрын

I do not see Hydrogen becoming a thing for Vans (or cars) I wont try to articulate the dabate here but suffice to say the manufacturers have seeming backed electric and i suspect the momentum is with electric as the solution

@IanParker

2 жыл бұрын

@@electricvanman I agree, manufacturer’s seem to have been blown away by Tesla and perhaps that is the butt kick the industry needs, however going back to the video, I simply see challenges more than opportunities. I hope that the hydrogen internal combustion engine can be developed successfully. Hydrogen being made locally is a powerful story to tell. Let’s not forget that currently 83p out of the average £1.50 litre of petrol is tax. Loosing £23 Billion a year will have to be made up somewhere… all best!

So you keep looking for the next charge. My van i fill to 100 % When i get to 7% i refill.

So you only have 60% battery range.

Hydrogen may be OK for long range trucking, but for personal cars and local driving the cost is too prohibitive to install infrastructure for filling stations. At a cost of over $1 million per filling station plus the cost for producing the Hydrogen does not come in at a cheap source yet. BTW there are electrical outlets nearly everywhere now, name a city or town that does not have Electricity? Now name a City OR even a town with a Hydrogen filling station... Hydrogen is not available as readily as Electricity NOW is it?

@hamshackleton

2 жыл бұрын

Where I am, in Cheshire, we d have electricity, BUT we only have one available ev charger, and that has been broken for the last six months! There is one on the outskirts, but it is at a hotel, and only for hotel guests. There WAS one at a FIAT showroom, but that has been demolished, although still listed on Zapmap!

@spuddy4063

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamshackleton Sure OK, but do you have an electricity grid attached to your home? Do you have access to a plug for a toaster? Any EV has an EVSE normally called a Granny Cable. Power for any EV is therefore possible even slow charging. I do not have at home charging as I live in a Senior's apt complex and do drive a PHEV but there are places like the Museum in the city where I live that have a solar array that Generates 900 kWh of electricity per day. They have old and I do mean OLD EV chargers that are of the EATON variety, they do not even make parts for those chargers anymore. But as a Science and Technology Museum they have set up their Chargers L2 as free for life ... So I charge there as needed. My Volt has been in my possession since new and I did manage to reset the BMS so that my car charges to full at 84 miles of range instead of the base 53 miles. And I drive less than 60 miles per week .. At 70 I only go to the grocery store and to church on Sunday's. Once per week I go to the Museum to charge. Sorry about your L2 chargers not being maintained. But seeing as I cannot charge at home either, your plight is sorta falling on deaf ears over here.

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

Battery Swapping makes far more sense for Vans.... Fuel Cells have other applications...

@hamshackleton

2 жыл бұрын

@@spuddy4063 - with respect - we were talking generally - not specifically. I have a driveway,so off-road parking, and therefore charging is no problem - for ME.

Unless the Hydrogen that’s being ‘stored’ at the business is driven and offloaded their and the fuel itself is Green hydrogen then we’re not making a difference with the Co2 issue and still burning stuff to make that hydrogen. There’s not enough Green hydrogen and at prices good enough to fuel vast fleets. With thr 4680 battery cell now delivering much more power to weight it blows the flame out on hydrogen powered vehicles. They are still to expensive and heavy and underpowered compared to battery electric vehicles.

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

Battery Swapping makes far more sense for Vans.... Fuel Cells have other applications...

@gordonmackenzie4512

2 жыл бұрын

We’ve had hydrogen powered buses in Inverness for a couple of years now. They are very quiet and efficient. How do they fill up ? I’ve no idea “

@nc3826

2 жыл бұрын

What are their "efficiency" figures? That makes you think they are "efficient"... vs BEV buses or other more efficient options such as trolleybuses...

If I was a van driver looking to switch, watching this would put me off straight away from getting one. This negative attitude is not what a future driver needs to hear. Lets get more positive feedback from our team can we.?????

A good talk about charging but still with persistent misuse of units. It's not a 50kW battery, it's a 50kW_hour_ battery. It's not '1kW will get you 2-3 miles, it's 1kW_hour_'. How the hell do you expect people to be less confused after an explanation when it's thoroughly confusing? (1:49 , 1:57, 11:58 are all wrong). Paul understands it, but he needs to _say_ it right.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. This is very embarrassing for a platform like Fully Charged.

Can Electric cars be Dangerous for the people as well as the Environment❓ Well let's take a look and see. The Electric car can catch on fire during impact because it is D.C. Electric, which means that when the hot and negative wires make contact with one another the batteries explode catching on fire. Which means if you are semiconscious in a vehicle accident, the smoke will most likely take your life from you. If a person operating a Electric vehicle tries to avoid a deer and then hits a tree, the electric vehicle catches on fire starting a forest fire. If the vehicle wrecks and lands in a dry corn field the corn then catches on fire spreading like wild fire...

Hydrogen is a joke. It’s expensive and most hydrogen produce more CO2 than a gas. If your produce it via electrolysis it’s only about 25% efficient by the time it produces energy at the wheel.

So hydrogen vans have 20% more range than electric vans... How? why? Where's the data? Whatever... Let's just take that statement and run with it... The proposition is that you have a hydrogen refueling station on your commercial property, and that you refuel there. How much does that installation cost, how does the hydrogen get there, how much does the hydrogen cost? How is that better than having an expensive DC charger installed, and having a ton of cheap AC chargers for overnight charging? Then, you have fully fueled your commercial van, and you are on the road for a whole 20% further than with a current battery, and your big and heavy hydrogen tank is now running low after having driven 20% further... Where do you stop to recharge? You basically have to go back to base, so your hydrogen van has an effective range of 60% of the battery electric van. You could have batteries, have 80+% grid to wheel efficiency, and charge virtually everywhere, even if it means 10A at a customer site. Worst case scenario, you add enough charge to make it to the next fast charger. As a reminder, hydrogen through electrolysis is 40-60% efficient. Creating electricity from a hydrogen fuel cell is 40-60% efficient, which puts it on par with just burning it in a big turbine. 0.4x0.4=0.16, 0.6x0.6=0.36, so you get in the range of 16-36% grid to wheel efficiency. It has an excellent specific energy density, but a shocking volumetric energy density and requires high pressures and low temperatures for storage, making it heavy and cumbersome. Hydrogen is difficult to store (it makes metals brittle, and it passes through most materials), it is difficult to transport and transfer, and no infrastructure for it exists today. Hydrogen for anything else than the chemical processes that need it, has no future. And whoever dares mention it with any positivity with respect to the energy transition has immediately disqualified him/herself as knowledgeable.

@mondotv4216

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that hydrogen is expensive, CO2 intensive and problematic. True renewable hydrogen does have a place - eg heavy industries like steel making and shipping, but only when we have so much excess renewables that it makes sense economically. And when it comes to heavy trucking every extra kilogram of batteries you carry is a kilogram of cargo you can’t. So hydrogen (being much higher energy density than batteries), if we can make it renewably, may have some niche applications there. You simply fit a larger fuel tank to go further - you just can’t do that with batteries. But currently diesel makes more sense than hydrogen for heavy trucking.

@luc_libv_verhaegen

2 жыл бұрын

@@mondotv4216 In the US, the weight limit for electric heavy duty trucks was increased by 900kg (2000lbs), allowing for 180-270kWh extra battery capacity. In the EU that limit is increased by 2000kg, or 400-600kWh additional capacity. So yes, a larger "fuel tank" can already be fitted today.

@luc_libv_verhaegen

2 жыл бұрын

@@mondotv4216 Nothing stops us from using methane for long term energy storage. If we stop burning it for wasteful things like heating or cooking, we could easily have enough (cleaned) biogas in the existing storage infrastructure to keep the lights on when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow for a week. Heavy shipping could easily switch to methane as well. Aviation will need kerosene for the foreseeable future, but when the price structure is changed fundamentally, cracking and distilling organic waste will become feasible.

Had to stop watching when matey repeatedly started saying kilowatt instead of kilowatt-hour.

@svenwesterlund3405

2 жыл бұрын

Super annoying with saying kWh instead of kW. Also the AC charger is built into the van, wallboxes etc are just outlets.

Why not putting the microphone up where the sun don't shine, so we hear absolutely nothing? It will be very peaceful indeed. This muffled sound is nothing I am going to listen to, so this is a clear thumbs down from me.