evil jan misali (uses light theme)

@zidanidane

Ай бұрын

jan mal or whatever the word is

@bootmii98

Ай бұрын

Jan Ike ​@@zidanidane

@oravlaful

Ай бұрын

light mode is good

@jolkert

Ай бұрын

​@@zidanidane show me the bibliography 🙄

@love2o9

Ай бұрын

Naj Ilasim

PIE is the quantum physics of linguistics

@KostyaT

Ай бұрын

No, if you're going to compare to QM, then PIE is the Hidden-Variable Theory of linguistics :P

@xXxSkyViperxXx

Ай бұрын

wait till you get to the other deep proto-languages

@iskanderaga-ali3353

Ай бұрын

Then what is the equivalent of Palawa-kani?

@hp67c

Ай бұрын

I had a similar thought: I'd argue that PIE is the Particle Zoo of linguistics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_zoo

@rizkyadiyanto7922

Ай бұрын

nothing is special about proto indo european. there are other languages family.

That's actually a three hour lecture in 12 minutes.

@hp67c

Ай бұрын

I'd say it's more like a three semester course sequence in 12 minutes

amazing all of your plain plosives are aspirated and your aspirated plosives sound like you're choking this is a fantastic video

@succadick2424

Ай бұрын

So true

@jdmichal

Ай бұрын

Yeah. If I remember correctly, in initial position, unvoiced stops are aspirated, and voiced stops are very close to what other languages would call a plain stop. Dr Lindsey did an excellent video on this called "Speech is really SBEECH". I'll link it in an additional comment following this one, as KZread likes to shadowban comments with links.

@jdmichal

Ай бұрын

m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/h2dryrpxfrPNmrQ.html

@jdmichal

Ай бұрын

m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/h2dryrpxfrPNmrQ.html

@derdlerimdashayazilasidoyul

Ай бұрын

thats we aspirated-language people's skill issue. i speak turkic, i cant fuqing make unaspirated plain unvoiced stops

wow you sure did pronounce those sounds!

@b1battledroid882

Ай бұрын

That was the pronunciation of a language ever.

@noobguyadvanced4735

Ай бұрын

As a speaker of languages that still use the "bh", "dh" and "gh" (Hindi and Marathi), it was nothing less than an experience watching him trying to pronounce those sounds haha

@valentinaaugustina

Ай бұрын

@@noobguyadvanced4735 as someone who struggles a lot with aspirated voices stops, i feel better about myself

@sana-helwa-ya-jamil

Ай бұрын

the guh guh GUH took me out

@GaaraNous

Ай бұрын

Too much

I like how in the final reconstruction you can clearly see "big"'s evolution to "mega" in later Greek.

@KolasName

Ай бұрын

and *píph₃eti turned into → beverage | beer ; *ǵʰós-tos → 'горсть' (slavic for 'a handful')

@flutterwind7686

Ай бұрын

@@KolasName Also in hindi the word for "drink" is "piina" or "pyew"

@aarpftsz

Ай бұрын

​@@KolasNamemore like russian, or east slavic

@KolasName

Ай бұрын

@@aarpftsz you caught me, its russian/ukranian orthography. Let's add 'hrst' for Czech, 'garść' for Polish and 'гршт' for Serbian

@Marijanus

Ай бұрын

​@@KolasNameSerbian? Boo. Gršt for Croatian.

timeline of video 0:00 intro 2:40 guh guh GUH 3:07 hhereeeeee haaaaahhh 4:33 yuh yuh 5:20 m()n ģ(')rh²()nts d()nģhw(') h²s 11:30 got bored and skipped to end to hear the Dark Speech of Hell youre welcome

@livelikelokth

Ай бұрын

Thank you. This has been a real eye opener for me and my family. Because of you I have had the opportunity to do so many great things. I am now a multi millionaire and own several companies. My mental health has improved significantly. I found this comment at the right place, at the right time. Again I say: Thank you for everything birdwalkin.

@EvenRoyalsNeedToUrinate

Ай бұрын

​@@livelikelokth this is a very touching story Sir and I don't like to be touched

@mosquitobight

Ай бұрын

"the neuter gender plural suffix *-egh becomes *-agh in the past tense, except when it's raining, then it becomes *-ngh, or alternately *-ngwr when used in the interrogative case during the first quarter of the Moon, except when the speaker is an elderly upper-class female, then it becomes *-ngwah..."

@cuitaro

Ай бұрын

@@mosquitobight But in early PIE there was no /a/?

@cykkm

Ай бұрын

@@cuitaro “in early PIE there was no /a/?” - probably not, phonemically. It's rare in late PIE, too.

Me: Japanese is not an Indo European language. Zzineohp: I threw in Japanese for no reason. Me: **puts away keyboard. **...😢.

Spanish: Shows Spanish flag English: Shows American flag I know it's probably not even meant as a joke or anything, I just found it funny.

@skinkroot

Ай бұрын

what's weird about using spain for spanish

@mr.booboo1

Ай бұрын

@@skinkroot new world vs old world flags. he's a stickler for consistency

@davidcoxinparis

Ай бұрын

@@mr.booboo1 Plus, if the narrator was gonna use any proper flag for English, he should have used a Jesus flag, cuz as all Americans know, Jesus spoke and wrote in English. That's how the King James Bible came to be. Of course. /snark/

@Amadis691

Ай бұрын

Yeah, we Spanish speakers should find an internet logo of Spanish. The flags are so lame, there are too many Spanish-speaking countries.

@magnushmann

Ай бұрын

@@Amadis691 I find resorting to what is the modern-day equivalent of the geographical source of the langue works sufficiently. If one wants to specify that this is a dialect from a specific country, then you can use the flag from there. This is also often done, when there are more versions of each language available in a selection screen.

I gonna force my gf to watch this with me again and she wont enjoy it but she loves me

@whannabi

Ай бұрын

Good

@falkkiwiben

Ай бұрын

True love

@Makaneek5060

Ай бұрын

Remember to explain why hands are feminine.

@hp67c

Ай бұрын

ITYM she will have used to have loved me (that's the ex-dative case)

@garfocusalternate

Ай бұрын

I lied. I don't have Netflix. Take your shoes off, we're learning Proto Indo-European to make learning Ancient Greek easier.

Unfathomably impressive, dense and academic walkthrough of an extremely dry and difficult topic without being boring at any point. Best youtube recommendation I have gotten in years.

@Eustathe

23 күн бұрын

@ea-nasir420 obviously this video was made using quality copper

This is the proof I would use anything to procrastinate homework

Didn't expect much from a video with less than 1,000 views but this is... really good. The pacing was good, the small jokes were funny, and it was generally educationally. awesome

@joeyjohnsonson4341

Ай бұрын

my boy is on the rise 🔥🔥🗣

I have no idea how you have so few views. Incredible video. Subscribed.

@scurly0792

Ай бұрын

It was published 6 hours before your comment

With all those hard ejective and aspired phonemes, I gather the video ended cuz you passed out. 😆 Excellent job, and you gave it your all!

I feel a deep longing in my chest whenever i hear spoken reconstructions of PIE

6:12 I love that diagram! In general I like it when the progression of a word/phrase from PIE to a modern language has the phenomenon that caused the change clearly explained. All too often people just show each stage without commentary so the progression of the language looks like a series of entirely arbitrary changes to someone without linguistics training. Aside from that, that thing about most word roots not being usable on their own and needing a suffix explains is fascinating! This is a nice quick rundown of how PIE works, and how we figured some of it out. Nice work demystifying it. 8:20 Naive question: If there are 216 possible inflections (and some impossible in practice), how could PIE get more that 250 out of it? Or was that a typo and should it be 150?

@zzineohp

Ай бұрын

i knew someone would catch that but I was too lazy to fix it...😭

@Josecannoli1209

Ай бұрын

@@zzineohpit’s cool you gave it the old college try and it’s a good video.

I loved this video! The energy and humour stayed immaculate throughout, and I learnt a great deal about PIE. This deserves a sub!! Great job!

this is a masterpiece. please continue making these!!!

0:02 why did you say Gujarati with an Italian accent?

@spelcheak

Ай бұрын

🤌🤌Ita justa sounded right🤌🤌

@fredriks5090

Ай бұрын

Because it sounds like Maserati

@mortache

Ай бұрын

Gujaratti

@Tusharplays69

Ай бұрын

Well expect for that rr. I guess it was perfect.

Bro used the Twitter Gujaratimaxxed Yamnaya phenotype 💀

@troyjacobs8530

Ай бұрын

He bulks with phonetics and cuts with semantics, dry scoops etymology as pre-workout

10/10 video. You have earned a subscriber. Keep it up, I'm eager to watch more! (Gonna go through the catalogue later)

this is such a cool video on a topic that I didn't know much about, you deserve more views and likes for this masterpiece

it is not weird that all your examples revolve around drinking water, as it is very important to stay well hydrated ! thanks for the video btw, pie is a fascinating topic that I didn't know enough about

I have no idea what I just watched, but I enjoyed every minute of it.

You are clearly extremely well versed in this subject. That was an excellent video.

This video is so good. I'll recommend it to anyone who asks me about PIE. I've been reading about this language and its speakers for 2 years and barely understanding any of the linguistics, getting discouraged, and moving onto something else, but my fascination with my long-dead ancestors is stubborn so I keep coming back to it and getting overwhelmed again by the awful wikipedia articles. I learned more from this 11 minute video (finally understanding ablaut for example) than in the last 2 years combined. So many elusive concepts resolved in my head into a coherent picture. A university would be wise to hire you...

Answered a lot of questions I've been thinking about for a long time.

I love the effort you put into this video, but you almost took me out on the k-g-gh! 😂 Thank you for your service! I needed the laugh, and the enlightenment.

Oh my god, thank you, thank you so much for making this video. I hadn't laughed this hard in ages. My entire body is shaking, and my neck and stomach are hurting. It's like therapy.

9:14 why did you pronounce that e wrong? Everyone know the e makes a e sound. LOL! Western liberals these days really don't understand anything

@user-yh1nm1vy3i

Ай бұрын

Bro responded to his own video and liked his own comment ☠

@iumiforgot

Ай бұрын

when you make an 11 minute video people can't even look away from I think you can spare a single mispronounced syllable, loved the video!

@zzineohp

Ай бұрын

@@iumiforgot no that's how your supposed to pronounce it, the h³ changes the way you pronounce e

@ea-nasir420

Ай бұрын

​@@zzineohpDamn bro did you just pretend to be a snarky commenter calling you out just to set up a pedagogical correction of said satirical self-correction? This is weapons grade meme/youtube educational content crossover!

@rizkyadiyanto7922

Ай бұрын

cringe as fuck.

I burst out laughing every time you say the breathy vowels😂😂 I don't think you need that much pressure or explosiveness

@miro.georgiev97

26 күн бұрын

To be fair to the guy, English speakers (including me) generally can't perceive the difference between aspirated and unaspirated plosives, so he had to exaggerate the difference so that it could be heard at all. Apparently, according to commenters of Indo-Iranian background, when he was pronouncing them normally, he was actually already aspirating those consonants the whole time, which leads me to believe that the distinction between b and bh and p and ph just isn't big enough to even be made. It just needlessly complicates matters and leads to insecurity among learners of these languages that make the distinction by overcompensating and exaggerating the difference just so they can hear it for themselves.

@ArkhBaegor

19 күн бұрын

@@miro.georgiev97 That can't be right. English has both types of plosives. map: unaspirated p, appear: aspirated p. English speakers can clearly hear the difference when they hear a non-native speaker get it wrong.

PROUD INDO EUROPEAN SPEAKER HERE ❤ I AM KURDISH! , unfortunately our language is dying out i am trying my best to keep it alive

@siraco4278

23 күн бұрын

Its not dying out at all in bashur or rojhelat which combined have a population of about 18 milion

@tantuce

15 күн бұрын

How is it dying out? Have a look at Estonia - a country in northern Europe. Population is 1.3m in Estonia, and in total 2 million Estonians worldwide (including Estonian). And they don't think Estonian is dying out.

I don’t know how this wa recommended to me but this is exaclty the kind of content I like

@kupkaekmusic669

Ай бұрын

biblidarion and nativelang are your friends

@Taletad

Ай бұрын

@@kupkaekmusic669 yeah I’m a long term subscriber to Native Lang

Longest and most interesting hydration reminder I've ever heard. Thanks!

your destined to hit around 300k subscribers in a year or two

The split second frame at 8:03 with the example of dual verb conjugation made me spit with laughter when I finally paused it in time to see it. Turtledoves and partridge... very well done.

@ everyone complaining he used an American flag for English: have we considered that the guy with an American accent who constantly makes jokes about living in America might use an American flag for English because it’s the language he speaks in American?

@zzineohp

Ай бұрын

no i did specifically to annoy people

i think this is the best >1K subs channel ive ever been recommended

Absolutely brilliant and so very funny! Great presentation!

That's a lot of details to pack into 12 minutes, but it's a great overview and pretty entertaining at the same time.

Subscribed. Love it!

Don't think I've ever laughed so much at a linguistics lecture! This is incredible, to the front page with you!

youre person mitchell but better. Please keep these bangers coming 🔥🔥🔥

Wow i might have actually finally sussed out basic grammar cos of this video. probably not but that was probably the best way its been presented to me so far probably... got not idea what was the other mess you were chatting

That's actually pretty helpful, thanks!

"For that reason, P.I.E. has 14 vowels, except not really . . ." "So P. I.E. only has seven vowels. Eeeexcept not really. You see . . ." "So P.I.E. only has five vowels. Except . . . so that's the only reason 'a' exists. But people will take their views on the existence of 'a' to their graves. . ." "Proto-indoeuropean really only has four vowels." *beat* "So you're not going to believe this, but P.I.E. only really has one vowel."

you can't even imagine how much time you saved me thanks to this video, ❤

One of the best thumbnails ive seen

This is awesome, I'll try to send some views your way

@appleoxide4489

Ай бұрын

i came this way

@HighlyEntropicMind

Ай бұрын

@@appleoxide4489When I first read your comment I interpreted it in a VERY different way

@varoonnone7159

Ай бұрын

I did come this way 😳

@EvenRoyalsNeedToUrinate

Ай бұрын

​@@varoonnone7159and that's ok, we like the way you came

Nice summary of the basics. Thanks. I disagree on the sounds of the laryngeals, but where would be the fun in historical linguistics if everyone always agreed. (I think H1 is ɂ (a glottal stop), H2 is χ (a voiceless velar fricative, as in German "Bach"), and H3 is γw (labialized voiced fricative, because it rounds a following [e] into [o] (because it's labialized) and voiced a following consonant (because it voices a following consonant)). But that's a minor disagreement, and I learned some things from the video, so good on you.

Damn this is an impressive video deadass

Great video, I'm impressed we know so much about proto-indo-european, damn.

This is beautiful I love it

i am 2 minutes in and having an aneurysm. good job i think i dont know im scared

Really good video. I don’t care about any of this at all but I’m happy I watched this it was super interesting.

Your pronunciations are killing me 😂😂 they're definitely correct, just they way you did it

I have no idea what I just watched but I loved it

epic vid nice work

Me: "Yeah, I love linguistics! It's a pretty neat science." P.I.E.: "Hello there~" Me: *Screams in Euskara*

Subscribed! Incidentally, I like Old Church Slavonic, or at least certain of its glyphs. Yes, the O's with all the eyes.

I'm definitely subscribing

Really cool video and damn interesting, thank you! Definitely deserves a like. However, you used the wrong symbol for vocalic consonants, which completely confused me for a while. The right symbol is a vertical line beneath the consonant. The circle marks it as voiceless, which is the opposite of a vowel. And some further (hopefully) constructive criticism: Better read out the name of sounds with the sound they represent. Naming them by the letter of the English alphabet might misrepresent the sound and at least made me have to think twice about the actual sound you mean. (e.g. Phonetic [a] is not the English alphabet “a”, better read it as “uh”) But well done, don't you stop making videos 😊

Was not expecting the sudden shoutout to gujaratis 😂😂 Anyways at 9:18 it’s crazy because if I want to say “should I drink water” in Gujarati it’s “me pani peyam?” peyam which means “should I drink” which is so cool how it has derived from PIE

📍 Consider a visual flow/tree charts of PIE: 🔹 common root words, (mother, father, water, fire, sun, moon, earth, sky, night, horse, wheel, tree, gold, etc.) 🔹 branching/deviation, (semantics/zen are cognates *seh₂-) 🔹 dead ends (lost linguistic features) 🔹 word order in sentence structure. @UsefulCharts collaboration? ❓ Also a secondary LIST of all hypothetical PIE words? I’m thinking along the lines of programming AI for how PIE was reverse-engineered, then use the human mapped models for a larger AI analysis and reconstruction.

Great video! Can't wait to share it with all of my friends who know nothing about linguistics! (They will hate me for the rest of my life)

@derdlerimdashayazilasidoyul

Ай бұрын

same

Love it! Upvote.

Small correction (correct me if i am wrong): I'm pretty sure [ph th kh] are the standard english , its just we dont notice because... they're the standard. [p t k] are actually the sounds made when appear after another consonant(and probably in other places) such as in speaks. They sound somewhat simmilar to but they are unvoiced. The way to tell the difference is if you feel a lot of air coming out of your mouth, your doing the ones with the h, if not its the normal one. Look up more videos on the subject if you are interested.

@zzineohp

27 күн бұрын

Firstly there are multiple theories on how to realize the PIE plosives, a secondly rather than being accurate it's more important for my English-speaking audience to tell the difference And for what it's worth, I made one of those "videos on the subject"

@wintercaesaria2492

27 күн бұрын

@@zzineohp fair enough. I just put in too much effort learning how to pronounce aspirated stops and I need to lord it over even people who probably can >:(

Using PIE as acronym for Proto Indo European is delightfully delicious

"Lesser-known Armenian consonant shift" is very fun as my dialect of Armenian did it again, this time unvoiced plosives became voiced and voiced ones became voiceless aspirated ones. Also explains why it took me so long to work out what word "ber" represented as we pronounce բեռ as "p_her"

The infinitive was not an inflectional category in Proto-Indo-European, but there was a stative verbal paradigm called the perfect (as distinct from the perfective called the aorist)

What an elegant sounding language. This must truly be the language of the gods.

@b43xoit

Ай бұрын

Deus Pater in particular.

Wow, the entirety of PIE and a bit more in

bless you

Awesome. So happy I clicked on this, Lolz, and good info. Also, good comments, always a good sign. Also, encourages me to make my first art-lang WAY less pronounceable. Also more PIE

GHÉSOOOOOOR you have me cracking up

ok dude you got my attention at 3:25, (s) alternation. what's your source on that please??? and the skwalos example was really good, I'm convinced

@sparshjohri1109

Ай бұрын

Look up s-mobile

it seems very strange that a language from so long ago would be so complicated, surely there were many stages before it where it was much less complex (perhaps most of the inflections were just extra words or phrases that add context?)

@gavinrolls1054

Ай бұрын

it's not really any more complicated than modern languages.

@mrcolmiyo

Ай бұрын

It's really not all that strange that an ancient language would be so complicated, since the complexity of a language has nothing to do with the advancement of the culture that speaks it. For example, the Navajo weren't a very advanced culture (by the standards of technology), but their language was fiendishly complicated. On the other hand, America is arguably one of the most scientifically advanced nations in the history of the world, and English has barely any word inflection at all. However, you are right about the earlier stages of PIE. We just don't know what these earlier stages looked like, since there are no substantiated theories for macrofamilies further back in time than ~6000 years ago, and we'd need to know about PIE"s sister languages to reconstruct anything. In fact, your idea about inflections being extra words/phrases that added context is a near-perfect expression of the process of grammaticalization, which is when lexical words (i.e. words that have independent meanings) erode and become grammatical markers. We've seen this happen all over the world, and it's happening right now. A good example would be the so-called "Saxon his," which was when speakers of Old English would use the word "his" as a sort of particle for possession, which eventually eroded and became the suffix "-s."

@sevenssymbols

Ай бұрын

​@@mrcolmiyoof course :) all languages go through this cycle eventually: seperate words fuse and grammaticalize, agglutinating and then becoming synthetic, fusional, and then dropping off entirely and being replaced by other words (like the Latin genitive being substituted with "de" in Spanish etc.) Eventually the languages with synthetic grammars will become isolating (sort of like Mandarin or other languages) and then the new grammatical words will again agglutinate onto other words, beginning the cycle again :)

Seeing the thumbnail I didn't expect much Eeeeexcept it's really good 😂

‘The piranhas drank all my shampoo’ - I’m loving these example sentences

It's good to learn more about my ancestor.

I'd love to see a similar video about finno-ugric languages

Wonderful.

what were u on when you made the "aspect" column lmao. funny video though, i rate it a glottalic theory out of ten.

Mid-Atlantic has reverted to the original pronunciation of water...

I'm impressed

2:53 Ah yes, the famous avestani square... script!

Fun video! The way vowels are chosen depending on the inflection and suffixes reminds me of Semitic languages. Is it possible that they were related in the distant past?

@zzineohp

Ай бұрын

I think that's just a common way for vowel sounds to develop

I feel like this would be a good video if it was narrated into a modern decent podcaster or streamer microphone (so I could easily hear the differences on the exceptional speakers in my 5-year-old Apple product, and prettymuch every other not-Wish-tier product out there nowadays), instead of a microphone from the 1990s when 320p video was the best we could do.

@zzineohp

Ай бұрын

Ok mean, but honestly deserved, I was trying to fix a different problem, made it worse.

In Latvian 🇱🇻 the sentence is: Es dzēru lielu glāzi ūdeni. Exact translation: I drank big glass water.

I think it's fascinating how the structure of PIE actually looks pretty reminiscent of a lot of native American languages with how fusional it is. This begs a very interesting question. Does how a language functions reflect the lifestyle of one who speaks it? The proto indo europeans and a lot of the native Americans would have shared very comparable lifestyles, so this would make sense, but I'm not completely sure 🤔

@isimerias

Ай бұрын

They also both share a lot of their ancestry. Except that common origin would be tens of thousands of years old by the time indo-European existed and even more since euro-American contact. It’s hard to imagine how languages over such long time frames since we will never have a real example to study like that. Heck, even within Native American language families we can hardly trace common origin and we know they come from a single founding population. But how fascinating would it be if there was a link there!

@danzoom

Ай бұрын

Eh, slavic languages are still fusional, don't know about other branches. And wouldn't PIEs practice nomadic pastoral lifestyle, which is a bit different from native american groups.

So this video contains the idea that e/o ablaut is conditioned rather than lexical. Keep that in mind.

0:35 a man of culture

You actually left the little squares of the missing Avestan fonts 2:30

If you grow up hearing this every day I can see how you might be in the mood to conquer parts of Eurasia.

Got it, thanks

Nice. Yo/ἐγώ/(J)eg bibo/poto wetness горсть μεγα. +/- your language's current inflection scheme. Maybe we like bibebam/potabam better. Anyway I have no idea how to force the agreement of the last three words. One possible realization (using the clearest descendants I can think of--and not intentionally avoiding periphrasis in the English gloss): I used to drink a big handful of wetness.

Very good video but I think it'd benefit from better quality audio (recording and/or audio mixing)

@zzineohp

Ай бұрын

yeah people were complaining about my mic being too quiet, apparently this was not the way to fix that

“Water is just an idea, that the glass belongs to, and the water being in the glass is just a product of that” - Zzineohp, 2024

if PIE was that intensely synthetic.... then surely it has to be related to other synthetic languages from the same region (finno-ugric, mongolic, tungusic, tocharian, etc.). mr nostradamus was right with his proposed language macrofamily

@1didnteatyourkids

Ай бұрын

Tocharian is actually descended from PIE! And while some people are proposing to connect Finno-Ugric with PIE, it's still unsure wether they're actually related to one another (most linguists don't believe so but that could change with substantial enough evidence)

@comradeofthebalance3147

Ай бұрын

Same region? You joking. All these language families are separated by vast distances and mountains. Also language was just beginning to manifest, like Mongolia was something way way later, much younger than Turkic.

@tomblaise

Ай бұрын

@@comradeofthebalance3147Language has certainly been around far longer than PIE.

@smaza2

Ай бұрын

@@comradeofthebalance3147 the most recent hypothesis is that indo-european came from the kurgan steppe

@comradeofthebalance3147

Ай бұрын

@@tomblaise You missed my point. I shall make it more explicit. Most modern languages appeared around this time. So for him to conflate them especially Mongolic and Tunguisc is very wrong.