I'm forever grateful for the Quadrilogy set from years back

@TheDbduece

4 ай бұрын

it's not worth breaking up that magnificent set to go 4k. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

@ScruffyWarlord

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDbduecewrong - both alien and aliens 4k blow the Blu-rays out of the water. You have to see it in person.

@DCMedien

4 ай бұрын

That's true for alien. But for aliens.. Nah ​@@ScruffyWarlord

@ScruffyWarlord

4 ай бұрын

you haven't even seen the 4k disc of aliens in person. You cannot go by anything on KZread. It doesn't render accordingly at 4k60 with HDR. When will be understand this about youtube videos.@@DCMedien

@robomnemonic3751

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDbduece Lol 4k versioni looks way superior

Clearly James Cameron does NOT listen to feedback from his fans. Sticking with the blu ray.

@sg137iu

4 ай бұрын

I do appreciate that it's been mentioned (elsewhere) that this is what Cameron provided Disney for the release, Disney didn't alter or touch it up. (Same goes for True Lies and The Abyss, though True Lies is the worst 4K of the three)

@chrisquinlan6527

4 ай бұрын

@@sg137iu 100% I've heard Disney did really good with the discs themselves. I heard The Abyss looks really good, actually. I might grab that and True Lies since these are the only reasonable ways to watch them, haha

@reap_25

3 ай бұрын

James Cameron; genius filmmaker. But a lousy editor; he needs to stay out of that booth.

@Paranimal86

3 ай бұрын

lol it looks fantastic… you guys are nuts… watch the original blu ray then.

@TroubleShotVFX

3 ай бұрын

If I were him I wouldn't listen to us either.

In space no one can see your grain.

@KevinKrueger86

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@imanvin

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@TheRedman790

4 ай бұрын

I thought the grain is a good thing?

@Frostbite351

4 ай бұрын

@TheRedman790 yes it is. But in this case the original film grain has been removed picture made sharper and then they put a A.i generated grain over the top. Still watch it being a classic

@brunomachado7279

4 ай бұрын

This time, it's war... against grain

What's wrong with grain? It's part of the image.

@BarrySlisk

4 ай бұрын

@@Claptrap0451 Maybe, but you gain nothing by smoothing it out!

@grg1979

3 ай бұрын

Nothing, but if you want to increase the resolution, you need to remove de grain previously to transform the image to 4k. And then, you can add a new 4k grain to the footage

@BarrySlisk

3 ай бұрын

@@grg1979 ?

@coss4vaee8

Ай бұрын

James Cameron hates grain now, he prefers the digital and CGI look

@rikardandersson5582

11 күн бұрын

@@grg1979 So you are saying it never was 4k in the first place?

Blu-ray looks like a film. 4k looks like a video game.

@beyondz55

4 ай бұрын

Yup

@Quesoblink

3 ай бұрын

Weird greenish hue in 4k version.. Sticking to blu ray!

@Akasacarafilm

3 ай бұрын

$K Looks like a Marvel movie. #Sigh

@johto

3 ай бұрын

Yep, its not enough that they produces new "movies" that are pure shit, they have to ruin the classics and their film look too.

@FervAnimalLover

2 ай бұрын

and approved by Cameron himself... but the Blu-ray was not the original negative of the movie. The blue tint was added and distracting. The 4k is still great

James Cameron: "Now for my next magic trick, I will make this film grain disappear before your very eyes."

@nvmskullworks4794

4 ай бұрын

The grain always has been his biggest regret with Aliens.

@ViktorBiohazard

3 ай бұрын

And the natural detail of the film.

Another Wax Museum. Stick w the Blu-ray, I think Cameron forgot what Film looks like.

@tompoynton

4 ай бұрын

he just despises it

@stimpy2695

4 ай бұрын

@@TheUnknownVideographer Yeah, it's very unfortunate. At least Aliens, Terminator, and T2 all have good Blu-rays. Hell, even Piranha 2 has a good Blu-ray Lol.

@abstuli1490

4 ай бұрын

@@TheUnknownVideographer There is nothing wrong with using AI if you know what you are doing. But this is Predator all over again, too much contrast and AI upscale without using Grain. There is a reason why Topaz Video AI has Grain enabled by default so that upscaling does not look artificial. Grain will also give an effect of details that are not there. When I watch original Grainy AI upscaled movies where all Grain has been removed, I can often see a lot of detail up close, but from a little further away there are no details at all, just a smooth surface. The high contrast also makes some of the close-ups of skin appear artificial, as if the skin were made of plastic.

@FervAnimalLover

2 ай бұрын

@@abstuli1490 No, this transfer is much, much better than Predator. There is still some grain in this transfer that makes the presentation incredibly solid.

@abstuli1490

2 ай бұрын

@@FervAnimalLover I agree that it is better than Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition. They have used AI to remove all grain from Aliens and then added some fake grain. My opinion is that they have added too little grain. I see a lot of artifacts I recognize from Topaz Video AI, more grain could help hide them. I can often see parts of faces with a lot of detail where other parts of the face nearby are without detail. More fine-grained grain would help to hide this. Another problem is that they have used far too much contrast. On close-ups you can often see that the pores in the skin are far too clear and unnatural and remind of plastic skin we see in video games and not in reality.

Thankfully there are tools that will allow you to rip the Atmos audio from the 4K version and merge it with the 1080p version for the best of both worlds.

@mwrightinsurance

4 ай бұрын

I just up-mix it with my receiver

@Neonmirrorblack

4 ай бұрын

@@mwrightinsurance It's really not the same. Upmixing almost never sounds as good as native Atmos, DTS:X or Auro-3D. It might have a similar "surround" feel, but you won't get the same kind of precision. But I mean, if you're satisfied with it, that's all that really matters.

@mwrightinsurance

4 ай бұрын

@@Neonmirrorblack Agreed. But it sounds pretty good.

Well this is depressing. Can't believe I'm going to pass up Aliens on 4k UHD, been waiting for it for YEARS, but here we are. James Cameron is out of his mind.

@Neonmirrorblack

4 ай бұрын

It was too much to hope that we would get an Aliens transfer that was as fantastic as Fox's Alien disc. Wasn't happening with Cameron's meddling.

@abstuli1490

4 ай бұрын

@@TheUnknownVideographer There is nothing wrong with using AI if you know what you are doing. But this is Predator all over again, too much contrast and AI upscale without using Grain. There is a reason why Topaz Video AI has Grain enabled by default so that upscaling does not look artificial. Grain will also give an effect of details that are not there. When I watch original Grainy AI upscaled movies where all Grain has been removed, I can often see a lot of detail up close, but from a little further away there are no details at all, just a smooth surface. The high contrast also makes some of the close-ups of skin appear artificial, as if the skin were made of plastic. I'm sure whoever upscaled this movie tore his hair out when he heard James Cameron wanted no grain and high contrast.

Is it me or she’s the blu ray look way better? Did I miss something ?

@Neonmirrorblack

4 ай бұрын

Everyone looks like they have a mild case of jaundice now on the 4K version.

@SquidkidMega

4 ай бұрын

It’s not just you…the blu ray looks more like 35mm film….the 4k looks like it was shot digitally, which it was not

@Slashingthrough

4 ай бұрын

No AI upscaling technics just used.

@MarCuseus

3 ай бұрын

@@Neonmirrorblack *2160p

@Paranimal86

3 ай бұрын

You’re blind watch this comparison on a large 120” screen… the UHD is far superior and more detailed. There’s only a one or 2 shots I’ve seen where you can make a semi valid argument.

There is no hope for a decent 4k of the terminator 1984 if this is the benchmark….hold on to those blu rays

@DCMedien

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, very sad. For years I wanted an 4k version, but after this releases.. Nah i'm good. Fun fact, I was shocked how good the Terminator looks on blu ray, for years I just saw the stream version

@SquidkidMega

4 ай бұрын

@@DCMedien yeah, the blu ray is really nice. and it retains all its natural film grain. I’m satisfied with it

@MarCuseus

3 ай бұрын

*2160p One has been "available" online for years: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWiMm9yTesbVY7Q.html

@luvbug839

2 ай бұрын

I'll stick with my terminator DVD. Has original mono tracks where the guns actually sound real and not stock

@SquidkidMega

2 ай бұрын

@@luvbug839 yep, I have that too, mono mix is so much better

SADLY softwax-filtering with a lot of sharpening after that 😞

@hijinx7044

4 ай бұрын

Wrong ot sharpening or wax

@hijinx7044

4 ай бұрын

Wrong the previous transfer for blu ray were not that great especially with the coloring ​@@TheUnknownVideographer

@abstuli1490

4 ай бұрын

@@TheUnknownVideographer I'm sure whoever upscaled this movie tore his hair out when he heard James Cameron wanted no grain and high contrast. Aliens is a very grainy movie filmed on 16mm experimental film stock. All this Grain gives an effect of details that are not there. When you remove all this Grain during AI upscaling without adding new Grain, you get good details up close and a smooth surface with no details from a slightly longer distance. The high contrast makes the skin look artificial, as if it were made of plastic.

They've removed the film grain which is just ridiculous - the movie was shot on film 40yrs ago and should not look like a movie shot on digital from the last 5. While some shots can look okay, clothes, walls and parts of people's faces often look unnatural. What a disappointment, why James, why??? Out of this, the Abyss and True Lies, The Abyss is the only one that looks okay. Thanks for the video, you've made up my mind, I won't be buying this and will stick with my blu-ray.

@elenathorne6149

4 ай бұрын

Why 50 year old movie can't look fresh and new? If I want it to look 40 year old with all the film grain I can always fire up the old VHS. When I buy a movie on 4k I want it to look and sould like it was shot yesterday, doesn't matter how old is the movie

@ShindlerReal

4 ай бұрын

VHS don't have film grain. Like this 4K. Film grain is exactly what makes movie look good.@@elenathorne6149

@hexagonsun33

4 ай бұрын

because in the inherent nature of film, the grain is part of the resolution/clarity/texture. plenty of proper scanned 4k masters looks like movies that were shot today. when i buy a 4k movie, i want the utmost closest presentation available to the original source. i don't want something to look like all the typical modern bs.

@ChrissonatorOFL

4 ай бұрын

@@elenathorne6149 Removing the film grain often makes faces look waxy since you're losing some detail to resharpen the image. Look at what happened to Star Trek VI when they went to blu-ray, they removed the film grain and it looked aweful, fortunately, for the 4K release, they didn't remove it and it looks so much better.

@fetishboy13

4 ай бұрын

@@elenathorne6149 The grainy look is a part of the film. Taking it away diminishes the presentation. It’s not supposed to look like it was filmed in the last few years. On a different note…did you know that 35mm film has a resolution of 5.6K! So even 4k mastering is a downgrade from the source material. Now you did lose some of that resolution due to the graininess of 35mm film stock but it didn’t degrade it significantly.

The Hadley's hope drop crew when they enter. The yellow machinery behind then in 4K looks like it is new. I like the grained look better. It looks better weathered battered and not a new coat of paint.

There's some weird DNR distribution going on here... such a shame. I was so looking forward to this UHD release! 🥺

@hijinx7044

4 ай бұрын

No DNR used

Oh how long I have waited for this! This the first film I ever bought on laserdisk at $70 and it was a joy. Now in all its glory Im back to summer 1986.

Man, James Cameron of all people BUTCHERING his movies in 4K. HOW HARD is it to scan a negative, clean it up and release it in beautiful high dynamic range? No filtering, AI, upscaling or major tweaking necessary.

@DrakonR

4 ай бұрын

Only the most ridiculous of purists think it's butchering. To the rest of us it looks great.

@powerglover2021

4 ай бұрын

Like with T2 I have a hard time understanding the outrage? Is it just because the grain is gone?

@SoapNugget

4 ай бұрын

​@@powerglover2021 Not only was all the film grain removed, but doing that made everyone look like wax models and insanely fake! Not to mention the obnoxious blue tint that was put all over the film!

@catfishhornet

4 ай бұрын

If it's so easy, maybe you should show Cameron how it's done?

@AX5Terminator

4 ай бұрын

​@SoapNugget that's only the digital version. The 4k Disk looks great.

I was waiting for the 4K... this video convinced me to keep the blu-ray. The BD may look noisier, but is more natural. The 4K's heavy DNR and color grading is terrible and makes it look like a videogame.

@robomnemonic3751

4 ай бұрын

Howw?? it looks superior to the BD lol

@nick1635

4 ай бұрын

@@robomnemonic3751how does it look superior? It looks extremely artificial (which it is) and almost like a videogame.

@robomnemonic3751

4 ай бұрын

@@nick1635 Look again and look how much sharper it is

@JohnDavidSullivan

4 ай бұрын

@@robomnemonic3751 lol you are clearly braindead - it is awful

@kozodoev

4 ай бұрын

@@robomnemonic3751 it does not, it looks artificial, like it was generated by AI. Uncanny Valley fest.

It doesn't look so bad in the close ups. It's in the wide shots, where there's less detail for the AI to work with, that the character's skin starts to take on that artificial, waxy look. The new grading looks a bit more natural.

Since I already have Bluray version, I will gladly take the 4K version for all the extra detail. Thank you.

Thanks for the comparison. I´ll stick to my Blu-Ray since it looks WAY more "analog" and natural.

The DNR is aggressive but it looks like skin detail was preserved and sharpened while the backgrounds are denoised. I'll have to see it in motion. Nevertheless, I'm glad for a 4K release at long last.

This is CLEARLY an Ai upscale of the blu-ray done through TOPAZ VIDEO Ai and color graded. This is not a remaster of the original film.

ALIENS. This time, it's without grain.

@BeberDag130482

4 ай бұрын

And without the true sound mix.

@Neonmirrorblack

4 ай бұрын

In digital, no one can see your grain.

Looks like a video game not a film from almost 40 years ago.

It should be noted that this is the streaming version of the 4k master, played back in SDR. "from the newly remastered Digital 4K UHD. Digital 4K SDR."

Looks waxy af. And the colors shifting into a greenish tint. The skintones looking so bad. Bishops skin has now a color like one of the simpsons, some weird yellow. Jeez, this 4K transfer is a mess. The scene in the rain looking awful, like someone smeared through the picture.

@jctai100

4 ай бұрын

maybe your monitor isn't calibrated

@Stance4

4 ай бұрын

@jctai100 my TV is professionally calibrated.

@waltrod688

4 ай бұрын

The 4k is better....the coloring is a matter of taste!

@Shcreamingreen

4 ай бұрын

Maybe you're 10 years old @@jctai100

10:01 - how did the upper part move? Also, is the cat orange or brown?

Colours got worse, detail scrubbed… uff…

@Neonmirrorblack

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, the color grading is the worst offender to me. In some scenes it was actually fine, but in others it made people look sickly. Like WTF?

This movie absolutely needs to have the option of watching it in a pure authentic 4K film scan (but also with HDR color grade). And from there fans can give it whatever grade of noise suppression we want, but just shipping it oversharpened by default is not a good look.

@captureinsidethesound

4 ай бұрын

That would require a TV with GPU acceleration that can do real-time color grading and noise suppression. Also, it would need at least 4GB of dedicated memory. Thats not mentioning the fact that in order to do this you need the original file source in which is WAY larger than a compressed codec. Otherwise, you would be stretching data that isn't there, this introducing banding and artifacts. No streaming service is going to stream that much data uncompressed.

@budthecyborg4575

4 ай бұрын

@@captureinsidethesound Personally I'm experimenting with running movies through Topaz tuned to my own preferences. Having a native 4K transfer would be highly valuable.

@NCozy

4 ай бұрын

You can kinda do the reverse by ripping the UHD disc to a PC and you can use reshade to add grain in realtime.

@budthecyborg4575

4 ай бұрын

@@NCozy That's kind of backwards from what I'm trying to do. The thing is movies recorded on film actually contain all of the detail in the film grain, and because film grain is completely random that means even if a single frame is very noisy you're still going to see lot more image resolution watching the movie because in a movie scene you'll be viewing the average of the noise from 10-20 frames, not just one, reproducing film grain exactly as it was recorded is actually a big deal.

@NCozy

4 ай бұрын

@@budthecyborg4575 I'm well aware of that, I do think that trying to put the grain in does mask some of the DNR and makes it less noticable and helps to restore a bit of the look but it is more of a bandaid solution that's fun to mess around with and not a serious suggestion on my end

Just canceled my pre-order. Thank you! I’ll stick with my Blu-ray, which looks accurate.

@Skrenja

3 ай бұрын

The color is acceptable in the bluray, but still different to previous versions.

@austinwillcut4919

Ай бұрын

The blu ray isn't accurate either.

I always thought the point of 4K was an increase in resolution, not a removal of the aspect that MAKES the picture.

@SuperSnakePlissken

4 ай бұрын

If you’re watching this on your tiny iPhone you’re missing out. Just watched it on desk last night and it’s incredible. I’m grateful that a lot of the grain was removed because it was too grainy especially because of the dark scenes sometimes the Blu-ray you couldn’t even see the actors.restoration was incredible I loved every second of it

@Gilarack

3 ай бұрын

@@SuperSnakePlissken At what point did I mention me looking at this on a smartphone display? Doing something like that would be silly. This is literally the same master as the Blu Ray, just upscaled, edge "enhanced" and with the grain removed. It looks super artificial.

@SuperSnakePlissken

3 ай бұрын

@@Gilarack Blah! I completely disagree. Just had six friends over for some brisket and sides and we watched Aliens 4K and everybody loved it and thought it looked incredible. You sir are an outlier.

This is a no for me. Blu Ray has an incredible remastering and 4K seems to have an artificial scaling, and the application some type of DNR. For those who do not have the Blu Ray, it may be the best option since it comes with that disc included.

Noise/grain gone with some of the details, unsharp masked high contrast details sharpened as you'd expect......they appear to have removed ALL the grain though.

So, basically it adds clarity instead of sharpness and removes details.

Thanks, is of great help love its film.but grains in gains of the film were eliminated in some scenes why ?????. chile ,santiago,2024.

4K is a mess like Terminator 2. I hate it's gonna be the same for True Lies and The Abyss. Disgusting.

@papa_sloth_gaming547

4 ай бұрын

The Abyss is fine, but True Lies is the same.

@TaneNorther

4 ай бұрын

They should just make "an oldschool" edition for 4K later on with grain preserved instead of wax cabinet look. Judging by the screenshots, some screens look partially better in 4K, but even then it's just part of the full image area.. mostly something in the same scene is off at the same time, when some part of the scene looks better (or more detailed, at least). If it's a face close-up shot that was good detail to begin with, then the smallest details on lit area look better in 4K, but on the downside it seems that shadow-ed areas of the face are zero grain and actually seem to lose detail VS. blu-ray, because grain held some of that... some background items on bigger scenes just pop the wrong way without grain, some seem ok. It would look so much better with less grain removed imo.

@TaneNorther

4 ай бұрын

@@TheUnknownVideographer Yeah, that's what's worrying me in 4K releases at the moment. To be honest, same thing was going on with Blu-Ray already ways back to some extent, whereas some releases looked really unnatural and wax-cabinet-like. If I remember right, my Predator Blu-Ray is one of those worst ones so far. I would love to have a decent Terminator 2 high-resolution one day.

Must say goes to show how good Blu-ray was actually.

I'm impressed how the Blu-ray holds up. But the 4K transfer also looks pretty good.

Increased sharpening and removed grain, I'm not calling that 4K. Some faces looks like doll when some others looks overly detailed and make actors more aged.

I love these comparisons!

I always wondered how great it would be to run these films through a 'CARTOONISER' filter.

It's not the wax exhibit that people make it out to be but it's still pretty mediocre, especially compared to the blu ray release and moreover the Alien 4K release that's absolutely outstanding.

@Gaminating

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don’t hate what I see, but all the same it didn’t need to be changed at all. Cameron is a total joke now caring so much about technology than good filmmaking.

A waxy, AI mess! Just as I feared. Bishop looks like he's a video game character at 1:35 on the 4K. Shame cause the original Alien looks phenomenal on 4K! Jim, why do you keep destroying your films????

@redmist78

4 ай бұрын

He's too busy writing Avatar 15. He didn't have anything to do with this. He had another team do it. Don't worry, they'll probably be 15 different versions in the next 2 years

Waiting for a steelbook or limited edition so I don't have to endure that cover lol!

@kirk09100

4 ай бұрын

All classics it seems have very bad covers on 4K These days. Had to buy the limited 4K steelbook edition of Poltergeist to get the original cover.

@mig1017

4 ай бұрын

Yeh, the cover is so underwhelming 🤦‍♂️

Yikes. I've been dreaming of the definitive presentation of Aliens forever, and based on these comps, I'll need to keep dreaming. UHD looks unnaturally whack.

I don’t understand this obsession with over cleaned images (4K), all the film grain is gone. For me grain is part of the movie «magic», like the 24 fps instead of video. Too clean of an image it reminds me something is fake...

I am excited to view this !

8:49 Gorman looks waxy or like he rubbed a shit ton of lotion all over his face lol

The noise-free 4K backgrounds/sets are slightly too strong. They need a little bit of grain but for the most part are okay. But the characters need a 50/50 mix of the bluray and 4K.... to find a nice mid-ground.

Thank you so much for the video . Great comparisons ❤

Does anybody have frames from the 70 mm release of aliens? How does that compare?

Some of it looks over processed, would be interesting to see what it looks like if they used about 50% the processing in some of the shots and scenes but for the most part it looks better. Some will say that you lose detail when you lose the grain but then more detail isn't always better, for the most part the image is cleaner and it still looks like it was shot on film which is the most important part

The whole thing is inconsistent. Some shots look better on the 4k, most look MUCH worse on the 4k.

@BeginsWithTheEnd

4 ай бұрын

That's what happens when you slap on an algorithm and call it a day.

@alvins.4775

4 ай бұрын

I bet we'll get a Remaster of the 4K Remaster in a few years, using a different algorithm.

@bened22

4 ай бұрын

The best algorithm would be no algorithm.

@BeginsWithTheEnd

4 ай бұрын

@@alvins.4775 wouldn't count on it 4K releases are expensive to produce and rare enough, it's not like the old blu ray days where the studio would just put out a slightly updated version

The bluray is very good quality. So not much in it

The 4K looks inferior to the regular Bluray...AI processing should be nowhere near film. It's no longer ONLY dnr to worry about, it's god awful algorythmic sharpening added to it.

I pre ordered this and The Abyss. I need to watch this through.

@martinddhyj

4 ай бұрын

🤮

" god will take care of you now sister "

why the colorchange @4k? this hurt!

nice finally 4k Clear and sharp

I saw a slight improvement in image sharpness in 4K, but a noticeable color difference that looks better on Blu-ray

You guys are missing the color grading. I can't stand that teal color when I know what it is supposed to look like. Blade runner UHD is unwatchable for example.

@rennmaxbeta

4 ай бұрын

It's like every decade, these classic movies get the color grading of the moment, and the original colours are lost to time

@konstantinplotnikov8910

4 ай бұрын

Agree! Teal colour grading is terrible! Blade runner, Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens everywhere the same colour grading. Great that Alien 4k has original colours

The image sharpening is a step forward. But the grain removal and green-colour filter are two steps back.

Well, at least there aren’t any more films left for James Cameron to fuck up. What’s so bad about film grain? I honestly enjoyed the films with all their imperfections-it gives them a certain character. There’s a better way of restoring film-based content without scrubbing away film grain to the point where everything looks enhanced and artificial, just ask Francis Ford Coppola.

Waited so long for this and True Lies and I'm shocked that Cameron thought this would be ok. There's no grain and faces look waxy. It's jacked up. Such a shame. I'm not buying any of these now.

A.I. for A.I. sake isn't using it as a tool, its abusing it as a gimmick.

Damn that's a clean transfer, but maybe just a little too clean. Extra details look amazing

@martinddhyj

4 ай бұрын

Fake AI details

Bluray wins here.

At 1:54. Look at the cat´s eye, on th FOX blu-ray the eye has more detail but when going over to the UHD, the eye is blurry. Apperently Disney/Cameron (I head is more Cameron faulty not liking film and ordering Disney to remove it, what I heard anyway) has been using AI algorithm to lessen the natural filmgrain. So bad!

@stonesfan285

4 ай бұрын

Disney is basically going to do whatever Cameron says. When you're a big name in Hollywood who has made some of the most successful films of all time, you tend to get your way. Cameron wanted all this stuff DNR'd to the max. He did the same thing to Terminator 2 and True Lies.

I'll be avoiding all AI filtered films, thanks.

I love my old DVD collection not only because they used Telecine analog machines to digitize the films, they left in the scratches, film grain, and even the cigarette burns to signal a reel change. That's cinema, not some sterile cleaned up smoothed over image.

Where's the film grain !?

@GenXCellent1970

4 ай бұрын

Gone thankfully

@totalprocall6894

4 ай бұрын

@@GenXCellent1970It's called film grain for a reason. It's PART of the film and contains picture detail.

@MarCuseus

3 ай бұрын

@@GenXCellent1970 🤦‍♂

How old was Jonsey the cat in Aliens?

So far, I'll say this looks better than the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray remaster for _Terminator 2._ My only issue is it seems the skin tones have a tiny bit much of a green tint. And unless this 4K remaster belongs in the Matrix, I don't see the appeal of that.

I mean, it’s just not the 4K disk, you also need a 4K TV

@MarCuseus

3 ай бұрын

*2160p

I prefer the color and grain in the Bluray version. I'd like to see comparisons to the VHS version and original print. The color is way different (and arguably superior) in those versions.

I just need to know one thing. How's the Atmos?

@bassage13

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, me too. No one is talking about that. Even when they do, it's going to be some KZreadrs with stupid sound bars, or upfiring speakers giving their opinion on Atmos. Which they have no business doing. It's hard to find anyone with a real Atmos setup reviewing 4k discs.

@aperry383

4 ай бұрын

For sure. The picture differences look miniscule to me, I just want an upgraded soundtrack for modern equipment. I'll buy them anyway, they ain't going to be worse than T2 and that's what matters most.

@marlonrobalino

4 ай бұрын

Personally I don't care about atmos remixes on older movies that were never mixed for it originally. I just wished they gave us that original ac3 track from the laserdisc which stemed from the original 70mm 6 track. That was still the best sounding mix for aliens period.

@nick1635

4 ай бұрын

@@marlonrobalinoyes, I've never seen a film where Atmos has been added in at a later stage that has made any significant improvement to the 5.1 mix. I think for Atmos to really shine the audio needs to be authored with it in mind from the start.

@dishsoap1

4 ай бұрын

@@bassage13We aren’t going to listen to these videos and are going to buy it for ourselves. On Disc, like it should be done.

Is it still greenish? Unlike the DVD

so is even more blue now 😒

Cameron already said in the 90s that he was never satisfied with the look of the film and the grain. Nothing new, you don't have to like it, but you also have to accept it. Nobody will take the Blu-ray away from you.

NICE WORK 10/10

I was one of those guys who didn't care about grain, and while some of the controversy may be blown a little out of proportion regarding this film, I have to say... I think it looked better with the grain! It does feel a little off but I can't ignore the sharper detail in the 4K version. I also can't ignore the inconsistency of it. I'm not too fond of the teal color grading, either. I can't say this one is a complete miss, but I get why some people are upset.

is this from the new streaming release or the actual disc? the true 4K disc is not out till the 12th?

@Jimmie_Rudolfsson

4 ай бұрын

Some reviewers has gotten the discs earlier.

@redmist78

4 ай бұрын

That's the thing people are comparing streaming with the disc and the disc isn't out yet. Streaming and discs usually are two different beasts. I heard the disc is really bad. I heard all the new Cameron movies on disc are really bad so I canceled my pre-orders on Amazon but I watched a review of the abyss last night and he said it was amazing on disc so..... Then again the abyss has never been on Blu-ray so I'm going to grab that regardless.

@dishsoap1

4 ай бұрын

Pretty sure this is the stream. They should wait

Does James have a problem with his eyes? Skin looks very green in the 4k version.

Tell you what. I got the 4k and watched it. The movie being so good made it a good experience overall. I’ll keep the 4k but I have just ordered the old Blu-ray for the filmic look. It will be interesting to see if my A80J and UB820 can do a better job upscaling than what was done on the 4k.

DNR shitfest, what a shame.

"Sharpen" tool. Amazing technology!

Blu-ray for me. I like the subtle film grain and colder tint.

Adding detail that is not there in the original which destroys lens blur and boka (especially on faces where there is supposed to be depth of field from noses to eyes). Smoothing elements and skin making them look like plastic (I guess it works on Bishop since he is synthetic, but still). Oversharpening to the point they look like they aged 10 years. These comparisons shine a light on how those who use AI have a long way to go in making sure it is applied with greater care. I will take the grain every time looking at these comparisons. I wish I had been involved with the cleanup as I could have pointed out the flaws in this remaster before going to print and helped make them less obvious.

I think the actual 4k disc will be better than the digital stream hope someone does a comparison

@martinddhyj

4 ай бұрын

It’s almost identical.

@JohnDavidSullivan

4 ай бұрын

the digital is sourced from the physical

I used to be one of those people who'd say "what's the big deal? It's just grain!" until I later learned just how much it can really affect an image. Granted, this doesn't look too terrible, but damn.

You have almost microscopic specular features (an 'over acutance') on types lenses that do not produce this effect across the whole of the frame at those wide stops. Whatever sharpening technique is being used is pattern seeking on the upper lip and extrapolating upon that to generate new shapes and features that were not there. Lip gloss over saliva (NN algorithms and AI seem to love this glossy, plastic effect). I'm never sure about how 35mm BluRays gets scanned in and processed, what resolutions and which particular machines are used in each case, but I can scan in a "4K"(and beyond) 35mm or 120mm of 20ASA slide film with a Nikon Coolscan 9000 or a Flextight and it still won't be as 'noise free' as the 4K UHD. That is because it is a feature of the original celluloid or camera sensor. Just as long as everyone knows what you're watching. I'd stick with the BluRays until they can decide how to scan the original elements and grade them again correctly. I fear that Jordan Cronenweth's theatrical grading will be lost for example, as much as I give credit to Ridley Scott for the look of his films and Blade Runner, he lost his colour sense with the regrade. Still beautiful, but the colour separation has become lacking in most of these new gradings for an overall hue. The anamorphic 35mm theatrical prints of Blade Runner are masterpieces in terms of what you see from shooting to theatre grading (God knows how long the LPP colours will last, someone scan their print in at 4K+ for colour reference ASAP!)

I'm ok with this new version. Cameron originally didn't want the heavy grain in the original film. There's a behind the scenes where he talks about that with more detail.

I think we ought to discuss the grain situation.

wen is 16k edition

Is it true that they used ai upscaling?

@mr.electronx9036

3 ай бұрын

yes, ver bad one

I'd better stick with the Blu Ray version, I don't know if I'm the only one who thinks the Blu Ray looks better.

Thank you. 🙏🏻

This reminds me of the 2010 Ultimate Hunter Edition Blu-Ray transfer of Predator.

I love film grain and how the old transfers look... why did they do this?