I haven't heard this title in years...Seriously, one of the best games I've ever played. The story is fantastic, and Alice is such a well-written character. She's mentally ill, has trauma, selfish, smug, and sarcastic, but she's also intelligent, empathetic, righteous, caring, and truly good underneath all the walls and hard edges she puts up. And I love how her mental illness and trauma were not romanticized. They were treated something she has to live and deal with, and she dealt with them like how a person with obligations and other daily responsibilities would deal with them. I really hope American McGee continues more with Alice, whether that's a prequel, sequel, inter-quel, whatever. I don't want her story to be over yet.

@bleachablemoments4618

3 жыл бұрын

Well, you're in luck. American McGee just so happens to be making a prequel called Alice: Asylum. It's going to cover what happened shortly after the fire and her going through and processing the different stages of grief. It'll be fun.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

3 жыл бұрын

@@bleachablemoments4618 More like a Days of Future Past situation...

@savannahhague4989

2 жыл бұрын

I hope that they also do an alternate ending in the restored version of the game where she does merge with her wonderland self, but she actually had backup in the form of the family attorney and Nan Sharpe. Then the authorities come and arrest him. To me, I think him getting hit by a train, he got off way too easy.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

2 жыл бұрын

@@savannahhague4989 Like fully using her superpowers???

@savannahhague4989

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-iy7jo7bq4f maybe. I just like seeing bad guys get caught by the police if you know what I mean.

If I could elaborate on a few more things, specifically what certain characters symbolise -- this is what happen when I obsess over a game for 10 years! -Dr. Bumby killed the White Rabbit early on, as he was a direct link to Alice's memories and higher senses. -The Cheshire Cat is likely Alice's conscience or inner voice, telling her what to do and info she must hear. -The Jabberwock personified Alice's guilt. His bones appear because she overcame her guilt in the first game. -The Mad Hatter is Alice's self-preservation, taken apart by his former friends to allow the Infernal Train to be built. The Hatter blames Alice for ignoring/forgetting what she sensed about Bumby's actions ("Forgetting is forgetting, then they call it something else.") -The March Hare and Dormouse personify the parts of Alice's mind that wished to forget the past, but also the cruelty of the Industrial Revolution. -The Mock Turtle not only personifies Alice's grief and depression, but also may have been a key part of her mental defences, removed from his position as the conductor of Looking Glass Line, a necessary move to let Dr. Bumby insert the train into Alice's psyche. -The Carpenter is Alice's own ignorance, sending her on a wild goose chase to hide the truth from her. The Walrus likely personifies how Alice sees sexual predators and clientele for prostitutes. -The theatre's contributors (drunk octopus, bottle-shaped music fish, oyster girls) represent alcoholism and prostitution. -The Caterpillar is Alice's high senses, inner wisdom, logic, and reason. -The White King's insistence on sacrifice symbolises Alice's need to sacrifice her own focus on her own pain to save the children. -The Tweedles are based on two orderlies who abused Alice in the asylum. -The little girl who leads the Insane Children is the part of Alice's mind that knew the truth, but the Dollmaker later rips her eyes out to stop Alice from gaining "clear sight" of things.

@ThunderJimmy

3 жыл бұрын

This analysis here answered a few of my own questions. Thank you!

@charlottehughes7378

3 жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 You are a incredible theorist my friend

@4nna8096

3 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best character analysis I’ve ever read for this game! You did an awesome job on this and thanks for sharing it! I would never have made these great connections! 👍🏻

@charlottehughes7378

3 жыл бұрын

@@4nna8096 here, here¡ well said

@4nna8096

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlottehughes7378 thanks :)

When the kid said “Don’t desert us…again” It hurt because Alice is the only one who has not been brainwashed by the doctor to forget…But whilst she is gone the doctor resumes his Horrible acts upon all the kids…

@afellowpotato

Жыл бұрын

I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got. It's been a year and you have over 1,000 likes! How has no one replied?!

@blairbritzman2678

Жыл бұрын

​@@afellowpotato potatooooo 🥔

@afellowpotato

Жыл бұрын

Poe-tay-toe

@MoikaSwirl_

Жыл бұрын

I forgot this comment existed lol

@crowreaper9393

6 ай бұрын

Well, the good news is that this guy is now a train's new paint job.

I love the overall message. People who struggle with mental health and trauma may not function “normally” (how they would act if they did not experience these things) again but can still heal and have control over their future. We are not defined by what we’ve experienced only what we make out of it. I love this game the symbolism and meaning behind everything is so thoughtful.

@NSXTACY420

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant, you said it beautifully. Young minds turn to noble ambitions, no matter what troubles you're facing you must carry on and keep the torch lit for other people to find there way out of the same dark. Where is the distance in the dark?

@blub_655

5 ай бұрын

​@@IzzyakaSpookyGurlQueenal-lh3dhwhat happened to your friend? I'm sorry you experienced that.

@weightedtraininggear

4 ай бұрын

@@IzzyakaSpookyGurlQueenal-lh3dh If you are a friend of the Lorelei I can see while Google searching, I hope that you are kinder to yourself in the future. Stay strong.

All of the events in the game wouldn't happen if Alice got a normal therapist.

@goldensentinel7715

3 жыл бұрын

No, it wouldn't have happened if she wasn't in 17th century Europe. Edit: first you all correct me saying it's 17th century, now you all say 19th century! Pick a f*cking lane!

@miablairy1920

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with both of these it wouldn’t have happened if someone didn’t murder her family.

@littlemayasyt4107

3 жыл бұрын

@@miablairy1920 I agree, If that crazy therapist had not oh idk BURNED THE HOUSE WITH ALICE’S FAMILY AND KILLED THEM, the story would truly be much much different. But if you think about it in a way if it wasn’t Alice....... someone ELSE would have been the victim to the therapist’s madness.

@ChumpySprite

3 жыл бұрын

E

@shelbybayer200

3 жыл бұрын

Therapist How fitting Cause the Therapist Was Harressing Alice's sister with Lewd intent He's literally The R*pist

The adults who were supposed to help Alice had abandoned her, exploited her or told her to leave her wonderland but it was imagination and wonderland that saved her. She really did save herself

@Sushi_Cat2793

2 жыл бұрын

We gotta give a well done to Alice and a lot of praise.

@B0o0o0o0o0o

2 жыл бұрын

She faced her demons and her tragic memories. It was painful, but it was all worth it to regain her mind and average her family. Not many people could do that.

@julioflorescertifiedtherap1425

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes that's the only option. Or death

@donvalve2257

2 жыл бұрын

With the exception of Nan, at least she helped her a little and never used her unlike That drunken Pris or the greedy advocate.

@queenr.s656

2 жыл бұрын

And the fact that I have imaginary world myself, kind of weirds me out so does that mean I experience trauma?

The Doctor is pure evil, also the fact he would wave Lizzis key in Alice ' s face (to put her under) /kept the key is so sick.

@ssstarssss

2 жыл бұрын

it's like he's making fun of Alice for not knowing what really happened to her sister

@LadyRihoLunaGoth

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god. I’ve played this game so much and NEVER noticed that. Ugh. I hate him more!

@Jyster370

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, he deserves to be a plank on the train track.

@starrycharacter

Ай бұрын

​@@Jyster370 Honestly he deserved way worse (not arguing with you I just really hate people who harm children)

@Jyster370

Ай бұрын

@@starrycharacter Oh for sure, that was the most creative thing I could’ve thought of at the time lol

“You’ve used me and abused me, but you will not destroy me.”- Alice Liddel. such a powerful line there, I (whose also suffers from a mental illness) find this incredibly empowering because for me, just because I suffer mentally and ppl label me as useless and dare I say crazy, it doesn’t mean that I’m a threat to society or dangerous, I had gotten to the point where I just felt bad for not being like anybody else who was “normal” when I was younger

@annieee7140

20 күн бұрын

Wait wait what part was that again?

@katieneves

20 күн бұрын

@@annieee7140 it was towards the end of the game. When Alice finally puts the pieces together on what REALLY HAPPENED when the house caught fire and her family dying in the process and confronts bumby whose trying to escape by train

If this game has taught me anything, it would be: "Sorry, can't give you the answer. But ask that guy, he can help."

@cleversmart0303

3 жыл бұрын

That's the story in a nutshell

@hoangnguyen-vj7tb

3 жыл бұрын

The princess is in another castle

@munafarah8416

3 жыл бұрын

😝🤞🤞✌

@ratatatata2472

2 жыл бұрын

Then you end up answering your own question

@rututuraticutu790

2 жыл бұрын

"ask your dad" "Ask your mom"

I think the reason the vale of tears is initially beautiful is that it's her outermost layer of her mind. The small part of herself that's managed to heal somewhat and can put forward a lovely face to the outside world. It's even called the Veil of Tears because it represents the healthy grieving she's done and how it's allowed her to heal a little bit with the dead Jabberwock as one demon slain, but sadly there are many more to go.

@ssai90

3 жыл бұрын

It also seems to be the only part of Wonderland that she’s entirely invented herself, that isn’t based on some part of the real world. From thereon every level can be traced back to something in reality (the docks representing the Deluded Depths, the prison cells becoming Queensland, Bumby’s house becoming the Dollhouse, and so on.) It’s the only place that’s just hers, that she can go to for respite.

I never realized that Madness Returns was a sequel. It definitely makes sense but that game does such a good job of keeping you up to speed and telling the story that as long as you have basic knowledge of Alice in Wonderland you can make the connection easily.

@Bejd539

2 жыл бұрын

When did the first game take place right after the fire or before it?

@purple1441

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bejd539 First game was about Alice's mental struggle during her time in the Asylum. Madness Returns takes place a year after the ending of the first game.

This game and Coraline are what kickstarted my love for the horror genre in my childhood, and I love them for that.

@williampulfer-melville8536

2 жыл бұрын

Funny it would have been cool seeing American McGee make a game based on Coraline they based more so on the novel rather than the film especially if he actually got the original author Neil Gaiman to help much like he did when he helped Henry Selick with the movie adaption

@purple1441

2 жыл бұрын

YES I'M NOT ALONE! Coraline and AMR were ironically my escapisms back then.

@Neimykanani

2 жыл бұрын

SAme!! Alice Madness Returns was the first art book I purchased and I fell in love I recommend checking out the game Pocket Mirror because it has a similar Alice in wonderland horror feel

@xavier_b009

Жыл бұрын

Same

@mrskinhehe4064

4 ай бұрын

Isn’t coraline inspired by Alice in wonderland?

This game is horrendously underrated. The level design and how the story is presented to the player is one of the best I've ever seen. I wish both games got remastered, they deserve it.

@aleisinwndrlen7113

3 жыл бұрын

There have been talks about remastering both games. But then again, it's all up to EA

@BrightWulph

3 жыл бұрын

@@aleisinwndrlen7113 I hope EA will remaster the games, while I never got the chance to play the original I absolutely adore the second one. I hope the creator will be able to convince EA to make another Alice game, but as you said, that's up to EA.

@sergioosorio5115

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrightWulph Don’t worry Alice 3 is on pre-production right now

@BrightWulph

3 жыл бұрын

@@sergioosorio5115 Amazing! I can't wait! I also hope EA doesn't meddle with it. XP

@aleisinwndrlen7113

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrightWulph There's a steam thread some time ago which gives a link for a cracked version of the first game. However, I think you ought to have Madness Returns installed first to have it, as you'll play it directly from an option on the main menu, not a separate application

"She hurt me feelings." Proceed to beat up an innocent unconscious and leave. Amazing.

@wendycarter7506

3 жыл бұрын

And sets the building on fire, with intent to kill dozens of people.

@dragonbornexpress5650

2 жыл бұрын

@Reddit Brink. To be fair, this was a common behavior back in the 1800's.

@utaukappasensei2

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonbornexpress5650 even some people now days act like that

@ce-ce526

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf I can believe many people would do the same thing nowdays

@thestranger4894

2 жыл бұрын

Sigma grindset

I like Alice's different outfits, they're beautiful. The developers must have worked really hard on them.

@markusallen6818

2 жыл бұрын

That hair must have been so hard to program

@amybessette676

2 жыл бұрын

Same I love her dress

@lachlanbarber4253

2 жыл бұрын

Legit same. Whilst some are not really my taste others absolutely sprung out to me. And the hair is just stunning for 2011!

@wiktorshowtime8242

2 жыл бұрын

Same I love her dress

@claragemheart581

Жыл бұрын

@@markusallen6818 oh yeah, didn’t even think of that!

The original sequel to the original game took 11 years to release, so with that logic I hope we see Asylum finally comin out this year, I love this saga so much

@PandaSenpai

2 жыл бұрын

they are in post production atm

@MarcyStevonshy

2 жыл бұрын

@@PandaSenpai WAIT REALLY?!

@ReyCalabaza13

2 жыл бұрын

@@PandaSenpai They are in pre-production, but still EA have the Alice IP and don't greenlighted any new project

@purple1441

2 жыл бұрын

They just announced a TV adaptation of the game. Hope it gets the same treatment as Arcane and The Cuphead Show.

@ReyCalabaza13

2 жыл бұрын

@@purple1441 Sadly is a live-action adaptation series, not animation, hope they can get a big budget

At 19:48 I think it was hinted in the first game that Tweedle Dee and Tweedle dum were real nurses who treated Alice when she was in the asylum through some of their dialogues. I remember them mocking Alice a lot before she fought them.

@pyrexomaniac5362

3 жыл бұрын

The original game came with a diary of sorts detailing the characters they were orderlys but i dont remember relationship to nurse

@whoishannah92

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, in the booklet in the original game I remember her talking about them being orderlies and force feeding her porridge

Me: “I hate horror” SuperHorrorBro: “no you don’t” Me: ... damn

@curtisgilliam9297

3 жыл бұрын

He right

@user-fd4uh8wj7w

3 жыл бұрын

Im not heate horror

@user-jk6iu6lf6b

3 жыл бұрын

I love horror

@n-extrafries-surprise

3 жыл бұрын

Eh. Depends on the horror genre.

@nahthanksno8299

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao he got ya

Something fascinating about the game is how the "infection" works its way like a violent industrialization of Wonderland. By erasing memories and making the children blank, its like he turned the organic part of their mind mechanical, just like the corruption is represented by an oil-like sludge that burns bright and is carried by a massive train, how the Hatter's workshop became an imposing factory and how the very last level, the "attic" of the dollhouse, looks like a sweatshop where Bumby turns children into "dolls". Also, the soundtrack of this game is SUBLIME! My first time playing it I actualy stopped at the menu because the song got me so enthralled I forgot what I was doing xD

@Cheetahgirl_Studios

2 жыл бұрын

Also, it makes sense when you realise that the game is set in London, which was the heart of the Industrial Revolution back in the 1800s. I love it whenever games and stories are able to link themes like this, it hits that part of the brain that makes me happy.

Imagine if someone innocently looked up the original storybook and found this game

@lferm2880

3 жыл бұрын

Only will happend if they look for "Madness"

@millburry1828

3 жыл бұрын

Publish dishonored 3 godd Howard

@ejbird9433

3 жыл бұрын

Oh god

@a.rustici1972

3 жыл бұрын

OK. I will. Thank You for asking. :).

@SiniBANG

3 жыл бұрын

Me and my cousins were on a horror game binge back in the day with Resident Evil then seeing the first game in a game guide. The joy.

You're the only person I've heard or seen talk about what the therapist did pretty bluntly. I'm surprised and impressed

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

If its an explanation video, why not. But we all know we're all absolutely disgusted by it.

@hunglikearooster

2 жыл бұрын

@@cherrydragon3120 Yeah, but there are people who, for whatever reason, tiptoe around the subject, even if it's an explanation video. But it's important to say it straight up because it emphasizes how truly obscene it is, and also because it's literally a big part of the game.

@Sarah-qx4vz

2 жыл бұрын

Right. Ignoring the problem is worse than anything else

@cocomo3141

2 жыл бұрын

@@hunglikearooster maybe their scared they'll get demonized?

@hunglikearooster

2 жыл бұрын

@@cocomo3141 yeah, that's always a factor

i know i say this because the bar is quite low, but one of the things i love and appreciate the most about this series is the fact that they refused to sexualize alice. they present her trauma very realistically and respectfully when i feel like most would have just taken the easy shock value path with her character.

@ladielydkyd1281

8 ай бұрын

I feel like there definitely is shock value, but not for shock value's sake.

@thedeliveryboy1123

Ай бұрын

It isn't just that the series is not sexualizing her, it's the fact that the second game is about her freeing herself and other innocent children from sexualization as well that makes it so good

I personally think that the most interesting thing about this game is how The Dollhouse appears now that The Dollmaker rules it. It gives the vibe that it may have once been a place full of happy doll children and bright colors, but now it is a place built out of fragments and ruin as the surviving inhabitants hide from their corrupted former friends.

@justadissociativewriter

Жыл бұрын

God that gives me chills.

theres a text post on tumblr thats like "i dont know why anybody bothers with the edgy alice in wonderland trope, american mcgee's alice & alice madness returns did it first & completely nailed it first try"

@leonardobazail8740

3 жыл бұрын

Tim burton can never lmao

@bamshablam5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonardobazail8740 God Tim Burtons Alice is so bad it hurts

@leonardobazail8740

3 жыл бұрын

@@bamshablam5977 I do like mia i can never spell her last name though as Alice.

@lara-yc6iq

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardobazail8740 wasikowska

@imogen4535

2 жыл бұрын

@@bamshablam5977 true the main theme is good tho

seeing Bumby get killed by Alice causes me to feel a way that can only be described by a slasher smile. I enjoyed seeing that bastard die.

@willow277

3 жыл бұрын

i one hundred percent agree . i died laughing at him when he died ... lmao

@yanderedeku2902

3 жыл бұрын

I believe many people feel the same.

@youcantbeatk7006

3 жыл бұрын

IDK the animation and sound design was so wonky I couldn't help but chuckle.

@youcantbeatk7006

3 жыл бұрын

@@KSHvoiceactingofficial Torture never brings justice and besides he's not real. Chill TF out.

@Black_Girl_Central

7 күн бұрын

@@youcantbeatk7006He is symbolic for predators in real life! unalive predators is greatest justice especially when no want to believe you! You are a boy who doesn’t know anything about being SA or experience anything as traumatic as that

very, very sad that Alice Asylum is officially never happening now. EA really dropped the ball on such an amazing game.

@awsome182

10 ай бұрын

Wait what? Is this true? How unfortunate 😢

@not-so-obvious_autism777

9 ай бұрын

I believe the fans will come through, bc sometimes if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. After all, that’s exactly how Rhythm Heaven got revived. And besides, EA would’ve ruined the game anyway.

@sekanii_po

8 ай бұрын

Why not suggest them to make it into a movie instead

@not-so-obvious_autism777

8 ай бұрын

@@sekanii_po AYYYY NOT A BAD IDEA! :D

@derrickdaniels3955

8 ай бұрын

​@@sekanii_po3d animation with the same if not similar aesthetic as the game and Susie Brann returning as the voice of course for Alice.

I always loved how in the end Dr. Bumby seems like he can see Alice in her Wonderland form too, which seems to surprise and scare him. (Which opens up a whole other can of interpretations for the game.)

@Itz_Zero2468

11 ай бұрын

Well, in my interpretation, he sees that she is no longer holding back how she will act, as it seems when in her wonderland form she doesn't hold back and is twice as stronger than her other form, so when he saw her wonderland form, he could sense that she wasn't holding back after everything (I hope I didn't offend anyone by accident 😭)

@iloveverycoolcats3833

10 күн бұрын

@@Itz_Zero2468i’m so offended btw i hate yiu

@iloveverycoolcats3833

10 күн бұрын

I’m pretty sure there is symbolism, but after accepting londerland, Alice can enter other people’s minds. It’s proven from alice in otherlands and the asylum bible, where she enters the greedy doctor’s mind, and bumby’s too.

@ireki4017

2 күн бұрын

didn't that happen inside her mind?

The Chesire Cat is the only Creature that is on Alice's Side and Is willing to help her

@nemasisdemarini8339

2 жыл бұрын

@@alderaan1931 Also probably lightly based off of her real cat, which showed her the way to escape the fire, without meaning really to.

@benjaminbjornsson

Жыл бұрын

And then explodes in American McGee 💀

@kytiladdy

Жыл бұрын

however that cat is sometimes really confusing and doesnt always support her directly. he is like your intuition

@NSXTACY420

Жыл бұрын

​@@nemasisdemarini8339 he is, it's Dinah. If you ever read the book it's very clear Dinah and the Cheshire Cat are one in the same. She says in the book : if only you could talk what a wonderful world it would be.

@NSXTACY420

Жыл бұрын

​@@kytiladdy the Cheshire cat speaks in riddles, it wouldn't be very interesting if he just spoon fed her everything, now would it? And in the book Alice always said she just loved riddles. (at least the Cheshire cat didn't just vanish in thin air like Navi, Links guide in OoT) what a painful game Oot was for me, watching all his loved ones disappear after saving all of them and Hyrule 😔

Also, if any of you didn't notice; there are different astrological symbols on each of the pocket dresses she wore. Each of them shows the meaning of the themes with each own current stages like Misstitched dress with Mars (♂) Ruler of lust; represents the Dollmaker. The other symbol is Ceres which is the Roman goddess and ruler of the harvest (harvesting children for lustful purposes), during her time at the Dollhouse, near the end. If want to know, there's the wiki that shows each meaning for each dresses. The deeper meaning of significant details that had given were pretty much understated, so props to McGee. Like damn.

@loretohidalgo3533

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like you can always find new references and symbolisms in the game everytime. The level of details in this game is outstanding

@5Demona5

2 жыл бұрын

The blue dress had Jupiter and Venus

The stages of the Doll Girl's death symbolizing what Bumby did to those poor orphans holds water to me.

Absolutely loved this game. The art, the simple yet eerie music, the visual storytelling in the level designs, the use of picking up memories and Dr. Bumby being a great villain. The final level is sickening once you realize all the subtextual meanings of the pedophilic symbolism. 🤢

Madness returns to me is like, the only story that takes the "Alice in wonderland but EDGY and Alice does drugs and has mental problems" concept and uses it well. It is a story about a young woman with psychosis escaping the abuse of those who should have been her caretakers but instead hurt her, and she also makes sure that the other children won't suffer anymore. It also subverts a lot of tropes is horror around mental illness I've always found to be harmful. Very good game with an amazing story I adore

@skyxclouds3765

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention that it doesn't romanticize her depression or psychological problems, not like other products ...

@TheBlueLink3

3 жыл бұрын

I hear this claim a lot, but I’ve never seen a story actually romanticize mental illness. I don’t even get why a story would do so purposely.

@skyxclouds3765

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBlueLink3 ust search for "romanticizing mental illness" on youtube and you will find millions of videos complaining about this issue, mostly are teenagers who romanticize these things because they think it is "uwu quirky! rawr XD"

@astronaut9200

3 жыл бұрын

same, I I just getting into this game I am super intrigued by its story and characters

@gorilla-grip-pussy-support7976

3 жыл бұрын

@@skyxclouds3765 I don’t think it’s teenagers that are the issue, a lot of media that is aimed towards them while they’re going through mental health problems ARE the issue though such as: Skins, 13RW and euphoria tend to romanticise mental illness as either something romantic, dramatic or something that can make you stronger. For a lot of teens this is the only rep they have and it’s easy to see why they end up viewing mental illness that way. Not every teenager is faking mental illness to seem “qUiRky” sadly it is quite common nowadays esp with the rise of social media and how easy it is for teens to be taken advantage of. Although agreed that there’s been a weird rise in people thinking DID is a cute??? Relationship goal??? Very odd, especially on tiktok.

I loved how they're were constantly changing her dress to suit her environment. The underwater one/ The walrus&the Carpenter is a major fave but the red fancy dress with black/ white accent is a classic look. 👌

@lilaycian

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite part was seeing what dress she would get next and picking the one I wanted to wear

@nguyendi92

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine the game if a triple A company controlling it? $4.99 to change her dress, $2.99 to change her hairstyle . LOL

@sunfl0wer_988

3 жыл бұрын

@@nguyendi92 Isn't the game publisher from EA?

@bird997

3 жыл бұрын

Its also nice they didn't make the outfits very revealing nor sexual looking

@Soslaymokka

3 жыл бұрын

Righhhht, I need her platforms n queen of hearts dress.

I like how the dress changes its theme for each section. Also I'm pretty sure the Cheshire cat has blood on his teeth which is kinda worrying.

to save herself, alice had to also embrace herself, which included her madness and wonderland. although she will never be traditionally 'normal', she is now whole. and i think thats beautiful (and a very poetic way of facing the reality of living with mental illness) (that being said i dont want to go around and claim freely that alice's depiction is faithful, i just think its well done)

I believe the reason why Alice survived was, despite the suffering she endured in the asylum, was so that she could have a chance to avenge her family and overthrow Dr. Bumby for all the misery he had caused.

@thegrandadmiral471

3 жыл бұрын

Make your survival mean something basically

@deathstrike

3 жыл бұрын

Anita Sarkeesian: There are not enough strong, female lead characters in video games. Alice: Really? Hold my Ritalin Anita, and let me show you what MY mind sees.

@EL-jq1sq

3 жыл бұрын

@@deathstrike Wow, all these years and you've still never actually taken the time to engage with her as anything more than a 2D cut-out, huh? And understood that the entire media landscape is more than just one game which did well ten years ago? That "more" doesn't mean there weren't any in the first place? And that it is critical thought and people who take it to heart that makes it so characters like Alice are /more abundant/? Which I'm pretty sure we'd both agree is a good thing?

@deathstrike

3 жыл бұрын

@@EL-jq1sq Wow all these years and you haven't heard of anything called a joke? Why would anyone assume because I made a joke that there is more to in that? Damn don't people laugh anymore? Does everything have to be so serious or laid out? SMH

@EL-jq1sq

3 жыл бұрын

@@deathstrike I do apologise for being so curt to a stranger, but let me explain myself. Firstly, jokes obvoiusly often have kernels of truth hence the saying "it's funny cause it's true" and their use in "speaking truth to power". Secondly, think of who is the butt of the joke in your joke, and whom you're making seem ridiculous. Jokes are a form of communication, what is your joke communicating? Nothing is ever just anything, and jokes perpetuate a narrative which shows a peek into the teller's mindset. Especially when I saw these exact jokes in the thick of the backlash towards Sarkeesian. If I saw someone making a joke where the butt of the joke is against someone, and the crux of it is an implicit criticism, why wouldn't I assume that it held insight? Also, sometimes a joke is just bad.

It should be mentioned that currently, the creator of the Alice video games is trying to create a prequel game that would reflect Wonderland's increasing deterioration after the fire, while Alice explored the five stages of Grief. I hope that becomes a reality

@alpha8here

3 жыл бұрын

A prequel? I thought the carnival was to be a sequel

@ladylunaginaofgames40

3 жыл бұрын

@@alpha8here it's called Alice's Asylum. Announced last year. He gave up on Carnival by the looks of it

@ggt47

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Probably why he is doing it?

@zagorkupski9836

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, aren't there 5 stages? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Or did you mix them up with the seven sins perhaps?

@zandpatchwork1979

3 жыл бұрын

I checked the wiki a while ago and the planned release is somewhere around Halloween this year. Hope this is helpful

I really love the way the executioner looks up at Alice and drops his scythe as if to say "I'm screwed".

I'm real happy that this game seems to be getting a bit of resurgence in popularity recently, absolutely deserved. I love this game so much I even got a full tattoo sleeve based around it. Such a shame this is under EA, I want to believe that with the creator battling for a third game and this little popularity boost will be enough to convince them but given their track record I don't want to be too optimistic.

@Mulbert

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh, what does your sleeve look like? Like I know you can't post pictures but describe it to me lol

@Cheetahgirl_Studios

2 жыл бұрын

Well, allegedly American Magee is working on a prequel to the games called Alice: Asylum. I think it’s in post-production, actually.

Alice in the asylum would perhaps be about trying to gain some sanity and truth, but Alice secretly wanted to bury the truth because she didn't want to accept it. Defeating the Queen of Hearts was defeating the part of her that knew the truth. It was a temporary solution and she gained some momentary mental clarity, and was released from the asylum. Alice's false leads once out of the asylum perhaps represent her unwillingness to stare the truth in the face and accept it because she did such a good job at burying it whilst in the asylum (compounded with Dr Bumby encouraging her to forget). Eventually though, she confronts the Queen of Hearts and finally accepts the truth. Comes full circle and gets closure with her family's death. Thus becomes fully sane and is at peace with everything within her mind. While everything cannot go back to normal from before the fire, it appears Alice is mentally stable enough to finally move on and start a new chapter in her life Like what the cheshire cat said at the end. "Forgetting the pain is convenient, remembering it is agonizing". Alice forgot the pain because it was convenient in the short-term, but remembering and reaching closure was agonizing although better for her long-term sanity

There was actually a hint to the dollmaker at the very start of the game when you are outside the orphanage there is a courtyard with children the one that is the hint is a young girl that is facing the wall away from the other children and word for word quotes the line of poem that the dollmaker says about the train.

19:54 "tweedle dum and tweedle dee, who now seem to be working at the asylum" you have it reversed. in the og game, the tweedles were based on these orderlies. included with the og game, there was a novella from the perspective of doctor wlson. he describes how a cat is always around the asylum (cheshire cat), she talks to her one-eyed rabbit doll (white rabbit), the orderlies bullied alice and she attacked them irl with a spoon (the tweedle boss battle), boojums are staff screaming in her ear, the duchess was a nurse, etc. another interesting thing about the case book is it includes detailed drawings from alice, which make her out as a very skilled artist depicting what she sees in wonderland. but in madness returns she's only able to draw childish scribbles ):

I still love the fact that the Devs wanted CG fmv cutscenes, but they were pressed for time so the cutscenes were "simplified". But I personally love the cutscene style.

17:34 I always feared the Executioner, now I can't stop laughing after I deafeted him. Everytime he ungrips his scythe, I can't stop thinking him saying "I don't get paid enough for this sh-t."

@crusaderiii477

Жыл бұрын

"ah piss"

The scene where the Queen of Hearts tells Alice that Lizzie wasn’t talking in her sleep is haunting. 1500 likes? Thanks everyone!

@RavynMad121

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the line about “centaurs don’t live in Oxford”. Makes me think that Alice might have seen more than the game indicates 😖

@ZenitsuKunn

3 жыл бұрын

@@RavynMad121 like

@user-vo6ed1lz3g

3 жыл бұрын

@@RavynMad121 what does the lines mean

@AlienWithABox

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-vo6ed1lz3g That her sister was very likely raped and Alice witnessed it.

@willow277

3 жыл бұрын

i know right

This game was the stories Zack Snyder was trying to tell in sucker punch

@Denise-tw1nz

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@Zadrenoss8991

2 жыл бұрын

@@Denise-tw1nz but with a better ending... no innocent girls being unjustly lobotomized in this game. (at least I hope not!)

It's so weird that the dude who started off making levels in Doom ended up making a weird psychological version of Alice in wonderland

American McGee has announced a third game called Alice asylum. It’s still in development. It has a Kickstarter idk if it reached its goal or not but I hope it releases

@spicybeantofu

3 жыл бұрын

They have tried before and it failed hope it works this time.

@artofteammanticore

3 жыл бұрын

He has a Patreon that updates fairly frequently! It's been amazing to see all the art development.

@mysticxjuice6612

3 жыл бұрын

This comment should be pinned so more people see

@alexisventura7191

3 жыл бұрын

Interetanting.

@ten7522

3 жыл бұрын

I was scared for a second that the game wasn’t being made!

My interpretation of the ending of the game is Alice breaking free from her past and pain finding the strength to move forward. As a result of this she no longer sees reality as painful instead seeing it as a safe place thus making the two worlds one.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

3 жыл бұрын

Which could kinda be retconed by Alice Asylum...

@leonardobazail8740

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-iy7jo7bq4f that game might be a prequel instead.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonardobazail8740 It's a Days of Future Past situation... Where the younger version of herself would kick in and try to save the adult Alice... Though, should "adult" Alice be classified as an adult considering that mentally, she should be 8??? Girl spent 11 years locked away from society and human connection...

@HarryStikers

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-iy7jo7bq4f You still mentally age in these situations, especially when you're in therapy the entire time.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarryStikers But she received virtually no stimulus... She was practically asleep...

I love this game. It needs a remake or at least a remaster for all modern platforms. The game is also interesting because you can't really say it has a good ending. She takes down the guy who destroyed her life and mind but she's become incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality and has gone fully insane. Very bold ending that I thought was fantastic.

I wish this whole story got illustrated into a large, storybook graphic novel because id love to read it over & over!

@PMIII

11 ай бұрын

Same....

A friend of mine recently bought the game and streamed it for our friends to watch. It was fun and interesting to go through the game and make jokes, but when we got to the Dollhouse, every single one of us just felt, extremely uncomfortable. Mainly because we already knew what the area is representing and why it's there. We had to take long breaks throughout the game because of how uncomfortable we got. Eventually, we got through it and finished the game. Although my friend playing was getting stuck and kept dying at the final boss, so I had to look up a walkthough and explain how they worked, and how to defeat each phase. The game is also very historically accurate. When I was watching someone (not my friend who was playing) play the game with their friend, the friend picked up a good amount of history points of the game. For an example, the sound of the Pepper Grinder firing, it was actually the sound of the very first Machine Gun created. Most definitely would suggest someone play the game, and then replay it to see the signs and hints at the very beginning of Bumby's actions.

I think the Doll Maker confirmed that the Infernal Train is actually Alice's train of thought, but has been corrupted by his influence.

@drippylad3973

3 жыл бұрын

The pun... Ow

@iepvienredstoneHuy007

3 жыл бұрын

No, the Infernal train is not Alice original train of thought. The story of the Mock Turtle clearly state he was the original conductor on the Looking Glass Line( a metaphoric line for Alice's point of view). Only after his train derail, possibly due to the trauma and Bauby influence, he resigned and go to the Dept where sailor died - the grave of thought. Then by the Dr hyponosis(which created the Doll Maker) and Alice's allowance (the Hare and Mice), the Infernal Train carrying oblivion was created and scheduled to erase every thing in her Wonderland.

@qj9673

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought the Infernal Train was the fire , or rather you could say Alice's trauma .

@iepvienredstoneHuy007

3 жыл бұрын

@@qj9673 her trauma was part of her Wonderland or the Red Queen i believed ( in the first game she was the personal that Alice put in charge to deal with the trauma which result in her insanity). The train are the hyposis of the doctor find it way in Alice's mind to erase it/ burn it to the ground

@qj9673

3 жыл бұрын

Oh that makes sense. @@iepvienredstoneHuy007

I love that last line that points out Alice had too been neglecting the children in her grief. Your explanation videos are some of the best out there, because you really go into how the story affects everything in it.

The Dollhouse world has got to be one of the most disturbing things I have ever played through at the time. I was a 13 year old who has never played a game that tackled these subjects so upfront.

I loved the ending, felt like she projected her alter ego so strongly till the doctor can see it, but sad because it looks like she'll live her free life insane.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

2 жыл бұрын

The premise of Alice Asylum suggested she was sane after all, but she was depressed as hell...

@markusallen6818

2 жыл бұрын

The way I saw it was now that he's gone and can't hurt anyone anymore now The real world can be her wonderland

@quinnholloway5400

2 жыл бұрын

The Alice: Otherworld shorts, connected to this series show she is pretty stable Though it's Ambiguous how wonderland affects is and if Alice has some Physic connection to it

@sodakuwun0707

Жыл бұрын

i would choose the lives of tons of exploited children over my own sanity any day

@xxxtictacion756

Жыл бұрын

I used to think so too, but as an allegory for real mental health issues it's better this way. The wonderland episodes were scary and debilitating for her because she had unresolved trauma and people were abusing her, but as she kills her abuser in a moment of regained agency, she is able to use the wonderland part of herself as a source of strength. When the real world gets merged with wonderland, I see it as her learning to exist alongside her hallucinations instead of them having complete control over her, and as a result the world looks brighter than it ever has. It illustrates how in the real world there is no cure for people with Alice's type of mental illness, but with proper treatment they can still live fulfilling lives. Having her get cured would cheapen the message.

This was one of the first videogames I really got into (my mother said that videogames rot your brain), and I fell in love with it for many reasons: the spellbinding imagery, the plucky but tragic protagonist, the interesting spin on a story that I love, the symbolism, and the rather mature themes. The one thing it needed? SuperHorrorBro explaining it ;)

@alexandriatrenier7366

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@rabobingayan9758

3 жыл бұрын

I am not into horror, but dang this one is a pass

@genosootaku8649

3 жыл бұрын

Video games are meant to be fun of course, but now, they’re like movies in which you play as the characters. It is an unfortunate fact that the media has been jeopardizing boomers’ view on video games. Seriously, here if you mention video games, they simply will think about those online games, they’re still fun to play but sadly they never think out of the box

@lunyxappocalypse7071

3 жыл бұрын

@@genosootaku8649That's media for you. Theres the sensible ones but theres always the ones that try to sensationalize things and Video Games being relatively new is an easy bait for older generations.

I have no words for how beautifully crafted this game is, from the graphics to the storyline and everything in between.

@meriwoo7382

2 жыл бұрын

Voice acting is a little odd tho. Couldn't immerse myself with the horrible delivery of some of the characters

@fateisuponyou

Жыл бұрын

@@meriwoo7382 eh, outside of the “ambience” npcs i thought the voice acting was amazing. it’s definitely stylized so it might not be for everyone!

I wish there was a sequel game after this one. Possibly one where Alice uses both her realities to track down and rescue all the children Bumby sold off.

fun fact: "Vorpal" is a word coined the Lewis Carroll, the original author of Alice in Wonderland.

@jacktheomnithere2127

3 жыл бұрын

is it perhaps an alternate word for "deadly"? because i remember reading it somewhere.

@Zadrenoss8991

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacktheomnithere2127 I don't know...

@aleisinwndrlen7113

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. It's from the Looking Glass, I believe

@naikou1633

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacktheomnithere2127 Lewis Carroll (Charles Dodgson) never specified what vorpal means.

@NecrochildK

3 жыл бұрын

@@aleisinwndrlen7113 Yep, specifically the poem, Jabberwocky.

Since Lizzie was never touched by the fire, I would think that she was chloroformed by Bumby, before dying by inhaling the smoke of the fire.

@sundaystore9931

3 жыл бұрын

She was murdered then the fire started

@abyssalatlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@sundaystore9931 she was, but beforehand he did something a lot worse since he was a p*do and stuff, it’s sickening :(

@Zadrenoss8991

3 жыл бұрын

@@abyssalatlas yes. Bumby most certainly raped Lizzie before killing her, and then he caused the fire to cover his wicked crime. the worst part? he claimed Lizzie secretly wanted him to do that to her. just like verminous wretch like Bumby to think that.

@aleisinwndrlen7113

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zadrenoss8991 And as a result? The voice actor for the character refused to have his name credited, because of how disturbing it is

@youssefa.2251

3 жыл бұрын

They did Lizzie so tragically dirty in this story.. Hope they give her character more depth in Alice Asylum xD

The dollhouse area never fails to break my heart

@lumisherbert5682

4 күн бұрын

Same here. I've never played the game myself (only watched cutscene-movies) but the first time I saw the more graphic symbols in the area (like the gateway mentioned at 23:50) I had to pause and take a breath, because the implications terrified me. The outright confirmation by The Dollmaker nearly made me throw up. Edit: formatting issue with the text.

Fun fact : there’s an Easter egg in the queen of hearts’ castle, showing a skeleton of the game Psychonauts’ main character Razputin. The fact that this was shown it’s because it’s a special thank to Double Fine productions, video game developers known for their games such as Psychonauts, Grim Fandango and Brütal Legend

Fun fact: the Cheshire Cat's ending monologue in the final cutscene of Madness Returns is based on several of the random quotes he would make when the player used the "Advice" command in the original American McGee's Alice. Specifically, "Only a few find the way; some don't recognize it when they do, some don't ever want to" and "Only the savage regard the endurance of pain as the measure of worth" stood out to me, given how it's been 10+ years since I last played the original.

Alice into madness was my first experience with psychological horror that I could actually relate to as a child and I loved how gothically pretty it was despite how much it scared the shit out of me lmao

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

Is it that bad?

@iamilibitirenbetter3266

3 жыл бұрын

@@cherrydragon3120 wdym

@user-hn3ng6nw2k

3 жыл бұрын

@@iamilibitirenbetter3266 i think they mean the fear factor- that or they're asking the original commenters mental state as a child. who knows, really.

@uramisugi

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-hn3ng6nw2k i mean if they’re asking about my mental state as a child i was always adventuring in my own mind so i could relate to alice having a wonderland in hers and if they’re wondering about the fear factor i’m pretty sure the ending dr bumby boss is self explanatory LOL

Well...also it symbolizes the part she played working with him. If she dissociated and he purged that as well is besides the point. She was the kids care taker. "Don't fail us again!" She also has to get over her guilt in whatever form known at the time or not to save them in the end.

This game is literally the definition of “snap back to reality”

@Pan_heart_soul_XP

Жыл бұрын

Oops there goes gravity

Idk why but the doctor was the scariest part of this game for me it creeps me out every time I remember the ending I get uncomfortable and scared 😟

@gabrielpiche5024

3 жыл бұрын

For me, it was the beginning of the game with Alice’s vison of Wonderland falling into chaos. You know, the one where rabbit got his head blowed up and Alice got her defaced and dragged into the blood river by an army of hands. I feel very traumatized and uncomfortable just by thinking about it.

@rougestarlight4308

3 жыл бұрын

That's adult fear for ya

@gabrielpiche5024

3 жыл бұрын

@@rougestarlight4308 you said it. 😰😰🥶🥶

@buttermotth

3 жыл бұрын

@@rougestarlight4308 wdym by that? Sorry if that’s a stupid question my brain is sleepy

@rougestarlight4308

3 жыл бұрын

@@buttermotth according to TvTropes: "Adult Fears are about the things mature, well-adjusted adults generally are concerned about, as opposed to supernatural, petty or far-fetched fears: the safety of their children, the safety of their neighborhood, the fidelity of their spouse, the loyalty of their friends and coworkers, the health of themselves and their family, being able to pay their bills, etc. To an adult (especially paranoid fathers), children being preyed upon by paedophiles or sociopaths can be scarier than children being preyed upon by a Xenomorph"

When I figured out what Dr.Bumby was doing I was like: “this is fuuuuucked”

@bubrocksnotabot

2 жыл бұрын

when?

@Alex-oc7ck

2 жыл бұрын

Nah fr I was disgusted 💀

@wiktorshowtime8242

2 жыл бұрын

when?

@gura3321

2 жыл бұрын

Doing what?

@user-ub8gd8kx9k

2 жыл бұрын

@@gura3321 selling children to pedophiles. He also erased their memories while using hypnosis.

Some thing to note is that the goopy enemies you fight that are covered in baby doll head also appear to be the same group dripping out of the doll maker himself, possibly a more subtle hint at his effect on Alice overall.

Hey there Mike! Hope you don’t mind but I made Timestamps for those who want to use them *Timestamps* 0:00 Intro 0:50 Alice’s Story 2:49 The World of Wonderland 4:18 The Beginning of Madness Returns 5:50 Return to Wonderland 7:01 The Hatter’s Domain 10:14 The Walrus and the Carpenter 13:18 The Caterpillar 15:38 The Queen of Hearts 19:15 The Dollmaker 24:18 The Ending

that dollhouse level made me *UNCOMFORTABLE*

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

I knoww right. Pretty weirded out when i saw that one.

@NeonnaCh

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was the scariest one for me when i finished the game

@lunaangeleclipse9745

3 жыл бұрын

then the level designer clearly did his job well :P

@chxmpagneproblems

2 жыл бұрын

that’s kinda the point though, it’s where you (at least i did) begin to realize that something far more insidious has taken place/been done to Alice with that being said, every time i play through the game, that chapter takes so much mental preparation

@chinangel

2 жыл бұрын

@@chxmpagneproblems Yeah, I know still, it made me uncomfortable as hell.

me, who's beaten these games at least six times over: t e l l m e m o r e

@CuracaoCow

3 жыл бұрын

I've beaten it repeatedly tooooooooo lol

@chxmpagneproblems

2 жыл бұрын

same lmfao

@loretohidalgo3533

2 жыл бұрын

same lmao

@gwenz3605

2 жыл бұрын

Not same lmao

The smile I had on my face when Alice pushed Bumby into the train… you’d get me confused for the Cheshire Cat!

When wonderland and London merge at the end which is in sharp contrast to the rest of the game where she dips in and out it highlights how Alice has finally completely lost her mind through the trauma of releasing suppressed memories. Alice had a decision to live in denial and keep ahold of her sanity or delve deeper into wonderland to collect the truths buried in her subconscious by her therapist and her defence mechanisms to avenge her family. She won and got justice but at the expense of her sanity which she fought so hard for on the first game. The story telling of this game is an underrated masterpiece.

This game is randomly popping up everywhere after 10 years. Love this game, and I'm happy it's finally getting the love it deserves.

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks youtube recommendation

@conrradotorres4653

3 жыл бұрын

Part 3 Alice Asylum maybe coming this year. Good possibility that it may be released this October for PS5

@WuvPain

2 жыл бұрын

I wanted to play this game years ago but couldn’t get the money for it and randomly saw/played it on game pass recently all these years later

Are we just gonna ignore that the Executioner was like "Oh……………………………………Sh*t." And he drops his Scythe

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

Super funny xD

@Daniel_Dickens

3 жыл бұрын

Well shit, I hate when the tables turn!

@sangonomiyakokomi5764

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought when I saw that scene lol

@samuelgarza2466

3 жыл бұрын

After having enough of his General Grievous schtick with his scythe, I had the biggest smile on my face when Giant Alice squashed the Executioner.

@willow277

3 жыл бұрын

XD

Holy shit I didn't realize the meaning of the way the big dolls fall apart in fights. Of course I got the overall theme of child abuse in the Doll House chapter, it was pretty obvious tbh, but that detail... damn, makes it all even more disturbing. I love the game, it's my favorite ever and I'm looking forward to Alice: Asylum. There's already some concept art out and it looks amazing!

@facelessgirl4731

6 ай бұрын

My theory is what if the doctor use the kids for Whitechapel for some twist job like Whitechapel brothel workers

Alice madness returns was one of the games I instantly fell in love with and still remember it with details I'm happy it's starting to get the attention it deserves

I love how this game is getting attention after all these years! Back in the day only pewdiepie did a play through on madness returns and he didn’t even finish it. I’ve been watching and re watching all of your playthroughs!

@sffb8295

3 жыл бұрын

I remember waiting for Pewds to finish the gameplay but he never did. Ah,nostalgia.

@NecrochildK

3 жыл бұрын

It’s regaining attention lately because McGee is working on a new one lately and they’re getting close to being able to present the idea to EA to get production started.

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

GirlGamerGab, javksepticeyes GF played the whole game. You can watch that if you likr

@sugabrielle7138

3 жыл бұрын

@@cherrydragon3120 I’ve already watched gab’s entire play through and I really loved it! thanks tho!

@BayerKatres

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, 2021 is being a good year for alice, because of the announcements of alice asylum, the frequent updates and because the first two games are on gamepass, giving a lot of people that didn't know it yet the chance of playing and loving it, like me

The ending and the truth will always disgust me, might be because I am deathly scared of dolls, but I can’t help but absolutely love this game. I discovered this game through SHB and I am happy I did, even if it grosses me out

These games are sooo amazing. I am so amazed by everyone involved in creating the games. The ability to take an already created idea and turn it into its own story, own super creative and deep and thought out story, is one hell of an accomplishment. But the overall design, the way the story is told, the symbolism, the voices. Just absolutely amazing.

The ending always confused me. Did her mind physically manifest these things at the end or did her conscious and unconscious minds merge? Not to mention the "Alice: Otherlands" project where she travels into the minds of a couple historical figures of the time, which itself would make for an interesting game. Imagine her going into Other People's Wonderlands and helping them with their madness. A Warrior of both the Physical and Mental plains.

@WTFgirl621

2 жыл бұрын

her mind basically broke after murdering her abuser, she is now fully insane and can no longer separate Wonderland from Reality, resulting in Londerland, but she embraces it.

@micshork

2 жыл бұрын

@@WTFgirl621 I was thinking she had gained the ability to travel between realms at will. Like how in the Otherlands shorts she went into the minds or "Wonderlands" of other historical figures (Which would be a great idea for a game).

I'm glad Alice killed Dr. Bumby, that scene is so satisfying.

@Zadrenoss8991

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, and if the justice serves, Bumby's afterlife will be eternal damnation.

I always had one question towards the end. Why did the doctor seemed to shocked when she turned around? (Righr before she pushed him) In a way, I like to imagine that Alice truly did change physically before she pushed the doctor.

@Maplearchive62

3 жыл бұрын

The reason he was shock was because he hypnosis her to never hurt him. That why he said "and you're powerless to change it or move against me. I made sure of that."

@LudoLmao

3 жыл бұрын

So when she changed her dress in the end did it represent her no longer being controlled by him?

@Gamer_G33k

3 жыл бұрын

@@LudoLmao Yes

@libramoon1582

3 жыл бұрын

Bumby's reaction to Alice changing into her Wonderland dress is because he's shocked to realize she's no longer the vulnerable unstable victim he sees her as, but a mentally strong woman with the willpower to overcome her traumatic past

@aleisinwndrlen7113

3 жыл бұрын

She didn't really 'change' her dress per se, but rather, it's a metaphor for the fact that she is now capable to overcome her difficult past, grew into a strong willed woman, and ready to take on Bumby. And the scene at the end, where you see Londerland, itself also is a metaphor for the melting of her subconscious 'world' and reality itself, meaning that she will never return to wonderland again to seek solace or consolation. There will be a segment in Alice: Asylum to further elaborate on this

I played this game in middle school and it was one hell of a fever dream and since English is not my main language it is even worse as I understand nothing but still a lot of fun, I enjoy the gameplay and crazy arts

I love the quote; ‘who profits from your madness?’ Chilling

Love that people are still talking about this game series more than 10 years after its last installment. Just goes to show that good, thought-provoking art endures. :)

@cherrydragon3120

3 жыл бұрын

Its a great game tho

@bamshablam5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@cherrydragon3120 Yes?

@meawmewtime174

2 жыл бұрын

But I installed it yesterday

i never knew hiw bittersweet the ending actually is. she had her revenge but succumb to her insanity anyway.

@wendycarter7506

3 жыл бұрын

The game suggests that she's not *_insane,_* just... Odd. She's still able to live a normal life but will always be seen as slightly eccentric by people around her.

@bamshablam5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@wendycarter7506 Girl literally be having psychotic episodes in the real world and you saying she is not insane? Nah bro she gone gone.

@wendycarter7506

3 жыл бұрын

@@bamshablam5977 PTSD can cause psychotic breaks, it doesn't mean you're crazy. She is suffering from the PTSD of *_watching her parents burn alive,_* while also being emotionally and psychologically manipulated. She's not insane. Maybe a little bit crazy, but she's not psychotic.

@user-iy7jo7bq4f

2 жыл бұрын

@@wendycarter7506 Hell, if Otherland was still canon, then it might suggest something otherworldly was triggered inside her...

@alchemy5750

2 жыл бұрын

@@wendycarter7506 I don't think she'll have a normal life. She killed a man, and it was implied before that no one would believe her if she told them why. She literally sacrificed her entire life to rid the world of that psycho. That's why the ending is happy yet sad at the same time. She won, but at what cost? She'll probably spend her entire life in the asylum after the murder is found out.

I have never heard of this version of Alice in Wonderland story before and it's a good thing I've come across this. Even though it's a 2011 game, the story and animation is actually really good if I were to be brutally honest and even the fights were quite great. Damn now I really wish it came out another sequel with 2018-2021 quality graphics, I can't imagine how amazing it would be and look like.

Nice to see this game still getting attention. It's really one of a kind, very symbolic and coherent. Also Unreal Engine 3 still looks wonderful.

I absolutely adored this game. It reeks of early 2000s Energy. It didn’t pull no punches. The story was very gripping. The animation was so angelic. Overall a great game People talk about games now. And how they are so gruesome and violent. Games in the early 2000 didn’t really get that filter it needed. Which made for a unique and raw experience Like Alice madness I love this dark twist. And representation of trauma Kinda reminds me of wolf among us. With the fairytale gone wrong aspect Another master piece

@linisin2083

3 жыл бұрын

Dang I forgot that I made this comment. I really went critic mode on this one. Not going to lie I made myself proud with this review. Hope you guys feel the same

@xeno-ho3js

2 жыл бұрын

@@linisin2083 igs. But I expect people seeing among us and going. "Wow. That is relateable!" Or whatever.

@xthewhitewolf

Жыл бұрын

@@linisin2083 if you're talking about the in game animation, then a lot of it was weird and wonky.

Gotta admit, that concept art looks badass

For a game of 2011 the graphics are stunning and amazing, also the story is great. This is definitely a should-play game.

I totally get the feeling of Mario's "You're princess is in another castle" with each character sending her off to another character 😆

I would love to see Superhorrorbro discuss about the images for “Alice: Asylum” and what has been given on about it

@emmaromii4575

3 жыл бұрын

me too!

@LustigBrotchen

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I am really looking forward to the day ( if it ever comes) where it comes out. I'd love to see his thoughts on it so far

@nightenday687

3 жыл бұрын

Alice: Asylum?

@theelementalgriffin2092

3 жыл бұрын

Especially since nobody's talking about it.

@joshuamainwood3548

3 жыл бұрын

@@nightenday687 the third American mcgee game. There's a brief teaser trailer that was released on KZread.

I knew this game delved into some heavy topics when I played it a few years ago, but I didn’t realize how much of wonderland is Alice’s personification and symbolism of her trauma. I guess the levels took so long to beat that I barely focused on the story and some of the dialogue just confused me, but man, this game is amazing!

God I hope American McGee comes out with a prequel. He makes some of the most beautiful stuff I've ever seen

my aesthetic : kawaiicore my favorite color: pink my favorite sanrio character: my melody *please explain to me why i am in love with the game so much*

Fun fact: The vorpal knife is a reference to the vorpal blade from Lewis Carrol's poem "Jabberwocky". The blade was use to slay the jabberwocky, which is why Alice found the knife on the Jabberwocky's skeleton

@sarcasticfanstic

3 жыл бұрын

"Be careful my son, we're out of vorpal blades"

@malachiwatson745

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jennifahh first off literally barely anyone knows that, that's such a specific piece of information. And also even if everyone knew that, it'd still be a fact... that's like saying "the sky is blue" isn't a fact cause everyone knows it.

@hangryhufflepuff9530

2 жыл бұрын

@@malachiwatson745 cmon people must know that, it’s such a basic part of Alice. Did I just learn the poem because I’m near Oxford or is my school just spesh?

@w1nterdays

2 жыл бұрын

@@hangryhufflepuff9530 is it mentioned is the book? Not everyone has read that poem. I only knew because of Ever After High

@synneatssin

2 жыл бұрын

Also bc it appears in the first game ^^