Awareness is the key. The more you understand about Awareness. The more we can hone in on asking the right questions.

@kos-mos1127

2 жыл бұрын

Awareness is a vague term that is not very useful.

@adamschigur8854

2 жыл бұрын

@@kos-mos1127 it's not vague at all. It's the difference between organic and non-organic. The process of evolution takes it from there. Or awareness is matter that is sensing its environment.

@priyakulkarni9583

2 жыл бұрын

Conscious awareness is weak elusive can be easily manipulated by simple things like coffee drugs glucose levels sleep anesthesia etc., if it is the most important then it should dominating mind body. One cannot be aware of more than one thing at a time, even tough it looks like you could multi task(illusion). That one thing we are aware is also very tiny portion and what we think aware is actually delusion of it ! Hahahaha

@user-hh2is9kg9j

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamschigur8854 People need to stop mixing East Religions mythologies and new age nonsense with true science.

@adamschigur8854

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-hh2is9kg9j nah. Science by nature will never explain what consciousness is or what the universe is. You need to have logical philosophy...among other academics to answer those.

I like that he makes a difference between picking and choosing.

What if free will is possible only when one reaches a certain level of self awareness/realization. What if you act subconsciously until you realize yourself.

@anthonypolonkay2681

2 жыл бұрын

I think this idea may have at least some decent merit.

@neffetSnnamremmiZ

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, science can in principle only recognize determined and finite things, but not the Living, the "subject of knowledge" can never appear in it! Freedom you can only "be in" or "have"! Freedom is never "in abstracto"! That's the reason Kant explained, freedom is proven in the moment that we can think it! Freedom is not the opposite of determination, because it is "insight into necessity" (Hegel) or equivalence or correspondence to the "holy will" (Kant)! Explained with Schopenhauer: it depends on who you are or as what you recognize yourself! Selfrecognition means consciousness on its own height!

@kos-mos1127

2 жыл бұрын

@@neffetSnnamremmiZ Science does not determine anything. They plug their equations into a simulated Cosmos and observe the real Cosmos to tweak there theories. Dark Matter and Dark Energy are used to plug in holes in cosmology so that their theories match the real Cosmos

@neffetSnnamremmiZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@kos-mos1127 I said, that science can recognize in principle only determined things! Or it would be no knowledge! Nobody has ever seen freedom!

@kos-mos1127

2 жыл бұрын

@@neffetSnnamremmiZ no ones ever seen a lot of things that are determined. No ones ever seen space, time and matter yet they can be described within the framework of science. Freedom is described within the framework of science because it is measurable

I am so glad I found closer to truth. If not for the discussions, for the segments where the host is wondering around.

The interesting thing about those experiments is that in a few cases the brain started preparing to move before the question was even asked. It could be that the person was picking up on subconscious cues from experimenter. But I think there’s a difference between awareness, and communication of awareness to another person in an artificially constructed meaningful such as language. There may be a lag time between the Brain preparing to act and the brain Preparing to communicate awareness

We are inherently multi-tasking in terms of cognitive processing. Memories of deadlines to be kept, memories of associations, weighing of alternative choices, choice of words to be used etc. All run on different threads, and consciousness is the summation of all that have current priority. We can forcefully select the active topic but all the threads, including hunger, continue to run. In making a choice we decide, but it is possible that we may not be immediately aware of having made the decision due to some current thought.

It's impossible to eliminate something that doesn't exist in the first place!

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

Snow, in your own words, define "EXIST".

I really don't see how pushing buttons and trying to fool the person on guessing which button that they pushed is proof of no free will? It's really sounds like some crackpot stuff.

Consciousness is like the screen on a computer where the contents can be examined

@priyakulkarni9583

2 жыл бұрын

Not really Brain is like a TV 📺 and Consciousness is the electrons flowing through wires creating images and voices on TV. One can have a person like moving TV with battery of electrons. Without flow of electrons TV is like a dead bossy. With web cam it can analyze the surroundings. Consciousness is little more than electrons

@danzigvssartre

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is like an elephant on a bicycle.

@noodle122000

2 жыл бұрын

@@priyakulkarni9583 Which means nothing. Everything is “electrons” or whatever elementary particle you wanna name. We know how tvs and cameras create images; but how does the mind do it?

In aggregating the event program, Mele is laying a puzzle: he is patterning it to match a larger template with multiple criteria. It's a typical convergent creativity process. The choices he is making are very different as a process compared to simple binary clicking decisions.

I think free will is more about how you interpret the data rather than some scientific problem. Of course our decisions are based on the neurons following the laws of Physics, but we have consciousness and the neurons are a part of us after all.

That's not what Libet's experiment showed and not what Libet himself believed his experiment suggested.

@mikealms2162

2 жыл бұрын

mele's point is that libet's experiments never showed free will was false which IS what libet claimed it did.

Such an irony in the fact that the brain is trying to understand how it works.

@coimbralaw

9 ай бұрын

Why is that ironic? Explain.

My 2 cents on free will: There appears to be an emergent property of our brain and perceptual systems - that locates a felt sense of "I" located somewhere behind the eyes. We instinctually feel as though we have certain amount of control over ourselves - but on closer inspection it is easy to doubt this instinct. This often results in some cognitive dissonance ...and may trigger severe bouts of existential anxiety if taken seriously. The doubts are born from both subjective (ie. asking yourself "where are my thoughts really coming from?") and objectively scientific (i.e neuroscience experiments, natural/reductionistic science) evidence. However, this doesn't sit well with people who deeply wish to take control and responsibility of their lives - and who don't want to swallow the idea that freewill is an illusion. It could be that it is not an illusion: The conscious self emerges from our biology and is felt as having a perspective. Having a perspective is really happening, but it is different than the physical/external world we are used to studying. So, I think, if the inputs of our biology are fed through our emergent "perspective" could it be that there are interactions between the perspective and the inputs, and that these interactions might constitute the 'location' where freewill as we instinctually feel it might be occurring? What if freewill is real, it's just really, really, hard to pin down exactly where and what it is? If thats the case, then is it something worth attempting to strengthen and develop? Like a jedi working on his/her force skills. Rather than dissolve into a state of meaningless apathy with the realization that you literally have control over nothing. To heck with that I say. May the force be with you.

@business2075

2 жыл бұрын

After the statement, "it could be that it's not an illusion," it seems 'freewill' is conflated with cognition and consciousness. But I like your thought on it.

@jeffhenry4654

2 жыл бұрын

@@business2075 hey good point! What i meant more is that maybe freewill exists at the confluence of the conscious perceiver and the underlying biology, and we don't know how to study that yet. As an aside - Do you think free will could be occurring without consciousness and cognition? That idea is neat to me too.

@business2075

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffhenry4654 I can't conceptualize free will without the presence of some consideration of consciousness.

@jeffhenry4654

2 жыл бұрын

​@@business2075 me neither. but wondering if it could be operating subconsciously, just like how we don't really seem to control the thoughts that pop in our heads. Like, the 'freewill' is happening behind the scenes so to speak. Too much speculation hahah

@edthyme

8 ай бұрын

We associate free will with physical causality, as a linear aspect in Newtonian physics. Free will for most people is a superimposed structure over what is perceived and deriving a sense of I.

The key is "intention". Intention in one mind to involve in a task is normally well ahead of time one intend to start the task. Intention set one mental and body for the task. Now intention is the true "will" that involves in the task. Mental and body works are the processes which can be voluntary or involuntary. A random process task that involving known but limited choices of A or B is reduced to a involuntary action.

@jimmybrice6360

2 жыл бұрын

yea. i just wonder how in the world they even think they can measure what is in the mind ? we dont even know what it is. i find it ridiculous that people even question whether we have free will. we are not automatons.

@taomaster2486

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmybrice6360 uh buddy might wanna chech the news 🗞️

@jimmybrice6360

Жыл бұрын

@@taomaster2486 i have nothing to check. if you want to believe you are an automaton, be my guest. lots of people believe all kinds of crazy things. i have free will, and am responsible for my actions. what a novel thought in this crazy society of today's value system

@SteveSteve7590-di2dn

8 ай бұрын

@@jimmybrice6360you having free will would need to be not only independent from external but also internal forces and constraints. If it would be free from your internal constraints it wouldn’t be YOUR free will. You don’t even have to dig in physics , biology or neuroscience to reject the notion of free will it’s simple logic that proves that you don’t have free will.

@jimmybrice6360

7 ай бұрын

@@SteveSteve7590-di2dn constraints are a part of who you are. has nothing to do with free will. i am not gonna go out and murder somebody, cuz i have been taught what is proper, and therefore have internal constraints on that. it does not affect my free will. i could still do it, if i chose to do so. the fact that i am not a crazy person thinking that murder is okay, does not mean i dont have free will. you guys will do and say anything to keep from taking on the responsibility of your actions !! i cant fly, either. i dont have wings. therefore i dont have free will. that will be your next example. and my reply is very simple. we do not have access to every possibility in the universe. in other words, we have limitations on what our physical bodies can do. i also can not yet bend a spoon with my mind.

8:16 So we are first producing conscious thoughts when we're planning something, but we don't keep paying attention to all threads as we're planning (as we're working out a new thread, the previous ones move to the background), and what ends up happening is all of these processes that we first initiated consciously culminate in our unconscious decision, which we finally become aware of?

Reasoning means the choice was made by external information and mental configuration... free will can still come into question.

If free will doesn't exist, why is regret and guilt a thing? What is the purpose of and reason behind existence of these "functions"?

I didn't know my car was going to break down k I'm in the middle of the road now what do I do I got to get it off the road out of the way and either get it towed or see if I can fix it depending on what's broke.

Free will just means that you are free to use your will. And you use your will to fulfill a need, desire, or plan so your will power is absolutely needed for you to achieve your goals.

@mariaradulovic3203

Жыл бұрын

Nope. Even a willpower is not our choice.

@williamburts5495

Жыл бұрын

@@mariaradulovic3203 No need to choose it, your born with it.

What if the studies of free will involved more complex questions that involved more than a simple response? Does having discipline mean free will? Does Freud's ego, super-ego, and Id get involved in free will or lack there of?

I am posting my response that I made to Sean Carroll's KZread video on free will. It also applies here. Very nice, Sean, but I humbly disagree on a couple of points. (Sean made the statement that after the fact humans could have decided differently when making decisions.) (1) You could not have done differently, because you did what you did after considering the options at a point in universal time. Your statement is hypothetical and cannot be tested. . (2) To understand "free will," we must understand what "you" and "me" are. We are that which emerges from patterns of neural networks, both of which obey the laws of physics (the emergence and the neural networks). Let's label that emergence, "X". X must have the capability to modify the other neural networks in the physical system that make up a human being. It is the conscious controller of the physical system (remember that X is an emergence from patterns of neural networks). We also call this the "self" ("me"). X has access to memories and other states of neural activity in the physical system (the person). Thus, X has preferences and biases based on genetics and experiences that come from memories and the system state. X is also subject to influences in the immediate environment that may subconsciously determine a decision, thus the decision is not free. For example, suppose X is making a choice between chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Traditionally, X would choose vanilla since that is X's favorite (it produces good internal feelings of pleasure). However, there is a sign in the ice cream shop showing someone having a chocolate ice cream and they are having a great time. This scene triggers a reward system in the nucleus accumbens (it releases dopamine) such that X chooses chocolate without being aware of what caused the choice. The choice was not free. Given the same circumstances, X would again choose chocolate.

What we intend and our intentions are our personhood conscious and our person consciousness. Free will is intention Brains don't think, they process patterns of function

"it is easier to fool a man than to convince him that he has been fooled" We all have a nature/nurture preprogrammed conflict bias, but most people want to think that they are the creator of their own masterpiece...overcome that obstacle,,,."get up, Rocky!!". Imposing our free will intentionally in the direction we aspire to attain. But that doesn't prove anything; we may have a pre-destiny to overcome those things, get that job....win the game all while believing that we wrote the script. I am not trying to sway anyone (because that would be a waste of time, if you had no free will to alter your course, let alone another"s...)But nothing proves or disproves if we have it, or just think we do (and I can argue that the lack of a sense of personal agency qould lead to apathy or ruin...we have an over abundance of that now) I think the answer is elusive is elusive, but the solution is clear. Whether we have it or don't, always act as if you do and you're on the path of self growth, Illusion or not, it doesn't matter...

Of course not, because science can in principle only recognize determined and finite things, but not the Living, the "subject of knowledge" can never appear in it! Freedom you can only "be in" or "have"! Freedom is never "in abstracto"! That's the reason Kant explained, freedom is proven in the moment that we can think it! And beside that, freedom is not just the opposite of determination, because it is "insight into necessity" (Hegel) or equivalence or correspondence to the "holy will" (Kant)! Explained with Schopenhauer: it depends on who you are or as what you recognize yourself! Even science can become, spoken with Nietzsche, an "idiocy"!

NTS: ok/99/use Ok finally someone who makes sense more than don’t. Forget all the philosophers in the group, just put all scientists in a EVO street fighter tournament and ask the players to describe exactly what they plan to do and what they did after each second of a 1 to 1 dispute, without letting they hear each other. Sure you need to pick someone who likes talking and does that fast while he plays. Then watch the tape over and over see how they immediately become aware that a certain move won’t work, how the opponent changing style or acting differently if what he predicted makes him rearrange all the planning and how he NEEDS to be aware of such decisions to make it way faster than those fractions of second. Most players will rapidly and relatively precisely describe, justify and explain what they are doing and why they are doing it, accounting for all elements on the system which he could or could not properly predict move by move. In the end you will just get note evidence that the ORCH-OR model is probably the most correct model to explain both consciousness and free will as you will get evidence of frequency having different effects on conscious decisions. You will see or orchestrated decisions completely rearranged the states of mind under the new rearranged configuration of all elements of reality experienced by inputs both visual and auditive, and you will be able to measure outputs to the players hands and fingers on joystick as well as verbal acts of speech describing and explaining the whole thing experienced, perceived and decided. Come on put some hertz in those boring tedious experiments guys. One year is gone and you doing this lazy push button and let me read some electric pulses 😂 this is annoying and absolutely limited in possible conclusions. Push it to a higher frequency for gods sake, go measure it differently form what you would measure in a fat dying duck.

Great videos. Thanks for the cranial consternation.

All very interesting but maybe not so relevant to know the precise timing of events during concious awareness building. Since our world is probably super- deterministic, I tend to think there is no “real” free will but we just have the “impression” of free will and that is largely sufficient to feel happy and free.

If person conscious when decision made, is that considered free will?

Every time I watch videos with these topics, Minority Report comes to mind. Also he has the look of discounting everything Alfred says. 🤣

@BradHoytMusic

2 жыл бұрын

Turtleneck Bob seems to veer towards determinism in his interviews. :)

Free Will is also a Function of the Times You Live in. I Certainly have More Free Will than My Grand Fathers. This goes to the Times My Grand Fathers Lived in, WW1 and WW2 were Major Parts of Their Lives. However So Far My Son does Not have as Much Free Will as Me, but this is Mostly to do with His Current Realities, Current Capabilities. He is Still Free Will in Progress. Of Course My Free Will is Obviously Limited by the Realities of these Times. As to Future Free Will, Wars Remain a Constant So Who Knows ?.

I've thought in the past that perhaps the subconscious does not directly communicate with the conscious state of mind, but through the unconscious and to the conscious state of mind. And similarly, the conscious thoughts move thoughts through the unconscious to the long-term storage of the subconscious...? [short-term and ultra short-term memory?] However, the speeds at which they travel seem like they would need to move faster than nerve impulses, perhaps at light speed which isn't being detected?

@1p6t1gms

2 жыл бұрын

This has some of my thoughts seemingly directed to the unconscious coming before the conscious and subconscious mind... even though it seems the conscious is doing the upfront work...?

As its dangerously incomplete. Yes.

Does Free Will eliminate Brain Science?

We are free as much as we are sentient , in a chemical basis we arent free We can't take discisions that would be resulted by neural actions that brrak laws of physics ofcourse. But in a psychological way we are free , to a certain degree . If we exclude evolutionary instincts , we are 100% free , in a discision making point of view. In a nutshell , we are 100 % free if we want to in taking any choise . We just cant make our brain chemistry to break laws of physics. But you dont even want to worry bcz you cant even imagine a discision that would be resulted by a physics breaking neural action.

@11:20 - It doesn't seem like much of a big difference if your brain is technically making decisions before you consciously think them? Then it's not "you" that has any say in anything... It doesn't matter if the difference is 1 day or 0.0000000000000001sec. Although even if there was no difference, you could still argue that logically you don't have free will.

Without getting in to neuroscience its easy to see you do not have freewill. Think of some decision that you have made in the past, think why you made that decision. I now send you back unknowingly to the exact time you made that choice. The reasons you made that decision and not an other decision are exactly the same, so you will continue to make the same choice no matter how many times you go back to it. If someone says you could have chosen otherwise, well you didn't and you couldn't. Ergo no freewill.

Before using my computer I must turn it on. Does this mean that my computer is in charge? The conscious self and his conscious and subconscious minds are in the heart.The brain just responds to their imputs.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

So people with artificial hearth pump are sort of zombies? Wrong again, try harder, you will get it.

@bluelotus542

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 The heart pump doesn't replace the heart, which is just the temporary abode of the living force.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluelotus542 People with artificial hearth pump have their organic failed hearts removed from their body. The hearth removal operation doesn't change who they are, not even the slightest.

Why do people worry about Libet? Chun Siong Soon 10 second delay and using fMRI

The Theory of Relative Awareness. Leave a comment for more details. I hope Closer to Truth sees this.

infinitely measuring everything will never give the reason of universe. One should use logic. Even it decision is made earlier - what does it change? Decision is made by the organism, so it's his free will

@stephenlawrence4821

2 жыл бұрын

How could the organism have done otherwise? Free will is at the very least the belief that the organism could have selected a different option.

@matterasmachine

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlawrence4821 so you want to say that appearance of computers was predefined billions of years ago? Can you prove that?

@stephenlawrence4821

2 жыл бұрын

@@matterasmachine I don't need to prove it. All that matters is you don't think free will is compatible with determinism.

@matterasmachine

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlawrence4821 determinism is bullshit. Evolution is based on random events existence. Are you evolution denier?

@stephenlawrence4821

2 жыл бұрын

@@matterasmachine The point is that you believe we would not have free will if determinism were true. So you think having alternative possibilities we could select in the actual circumstances with exactly the same past is essential to having free will. It's not enough that the organism makes the decision at all. It's also necessary that the organism could make a different decision in a special way as yet not completely defined.

How was the decision made to make this video? Did someone make you do it? Did the subconscious demand it? (And if it did, how do you know?) Free will, is not so much about one's physical activities, as it is about moral decisions... do any of these studies go that deep?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Morals..., it's always a long story..., can be anything you want.

@mikel5582

2 жыл бұрын

@Traveller's Rest Which god?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@Traveller's Rest That's OK, nobody cares, but one should ask himself, does he truly believes? It's easy to be a believer when life is good, even more so when things get tough, but impossible after all illusions about ideology gets shattered and only what was obvious from a start remains.

Free will is directed. Your free will is governed by your personal past experiences. What your brain has sensed through your sensory body. That's all it knows. So your being directed by past experiences which are skewed in certain almost predetermined ways based on your individual genetics. So you have free will but your cone of influence your free will can take is limited by your past.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Try some meditation, and you will soon realize the past doesn't have such a grip on individual mentality as it might seem to weak minds. Brain cells structure is also very important, not of any significant importance, but does shape individual personality to a certain extent. Providing its healthy brains we're talking about, of course.

@adamschigur8854

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 I have done meditation. Still do. Everything you said is correct. An an individual level. We are not just individuals but come from a force. Not even close to being understood by society. That force being awareness. Evolution being the process that awareness uses to sense its environment. That environment being the SpaceTime around it. The environment of Time being key to our Evolution. All of it being relative to our SpaceTime environment. Awareness can cleary be seen in Evolution. As becoming more and more aware of SpaceTime as it progresses. With an enormous amount of variations in how awareness perceives the 2. Which is more important to its survival. It's space around it. Or the aspect of time around it.

@adamschigur8854

2 жыл бұрын

For reference. That is what memory is for. It's Evolutions way of making it aware of The time part of SpaceTime. Emotions are in their too. So awareness can understand the Space and Time part of its environment.

@anthonypolonkay2681

2 жыл бұрын

Free will just means you can choose differently. The mere fact people can make decisions that reap them no benefit (not even a perceived benefit from the subjects perspective) is evidence of that possibility. Contrast this with things like chimps who seem wholly incapable of naturally developing a decision that goes against pervieved benefit.

@adamschigur8854

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonypolonkay2681 the consequence of what appears to be freewill in humans. Is the same reason other animals appear not to have it. We are preprogrammed from the process of evolution to be extremely adaptable. Our adaptability comes at cost of reducing the influences of certain instinctive emotions.

If I ever know what I'm doing I'll let you know.

But yet we forget things, Alfred. Because our conscious got distracted by something else. Or we're not fully paying attention to what we were doing because our thoughts are elsewhere, so how is that still not conscious? Cause isn't their subconscious? People talk about doing their jobs in their sleep.

Absolute freedom is not law of Universe everything has to follow rules and laws of nature. So concept of free will. Is only within permissible limits it's also not absolute.

Gnosis precedes choice. More gnosis, more choice.

Twin born is duplicated and should brain be created external??

@thanh-haidtranjj3703

2 жыл бұрын

As Newton extended by me that everything are created at some dimensions and destroyed at higher dimensions...

Short answer: Yes. Free will is a clever illusion put in place so that an ego can develop (beings with an ego have a certain survival advantage).

@bluelotus542

2 жыл бұрын

Then set free all the criminals, because they're slaves of their brains.

@bluelotus542

2 жыл бұрын

And then you'll see how long you will survive.

@HyzersGR

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluelotus542 Merely having the illusion of free will doesn't mean we shouldn't lock up violent criminals. They still pose a danger.

@callistomoon461

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluelotus542 Typical uneducated reaction. Of course we shouldn‘t set them free. We still need to protect society. In a very real sense, they just had bad luck.

@bluelotus542

2 жыл бұрын

@@callistomoon461 When you speak of bad luck you must explain why some have good and some bad luck in a world where there's no effect without a cause.

Libet's experiments have been criticized and hammered for good reason, and are considered flawed. So, Libet and other such experiments should not be cited as sound scientific results because they are not. Not enough is known about the exact areas and structures of the brain and supporting systems that are involved in planning, intending, deciding, and acting. Some are known, but they aren't the whole story. Plus, we do not know much at all about consciousness and the brain (and supporting systems). So, it is very early in the process of free will studies to come to any conclusion other than "free will probably exists in humans" (subject to defined constraints). People like Sam Harris, Robort Sapolsky, and Sabine Hossenfelder, to name just three, are being irresponsible in my opinion when they come right out and claim that free will is and illusion or humans don't have free will at all. They just do not know that, and at best it is only their personal belief and opinion, not fact.

Decision making can be swayed by indecision or confusion or deception. Why wasn't this discussed? Amen thank you Jesus x

This completely misses the point. If you are not the conscious author of your actions, then what part of you is free to make decisions? You don’t decide how fast your heart beats. You don’t decide the words you are saying. You just say them. You are not the conscious author of your decisions so therefore your will is not free. It is merely presented to you.

Yeah, this guy sounds totally not biased lol.

It is nonsense to even consider the question of free will when what we want and intend can be not free at all. In many ways, to exist means to do certain things. What is the big deal about free will anyway? Most of us would choose to exist so if we must do things to exist then we are made to choose and like them. Sex is a good example, so is eating. The question of free will is so separated out from reality, so proximally human/hierarchy oriented, that it is like a question for children. It has many tenuous but invisible assumptions behind it. Not the least of which is omniscience 😂🤷‍♀️ It’s a weird question also because a single brain cell may not have free will in the way humans think about it, but collectively under a unified consciousness they might. But if the brain cell wants to exist then to not have free will is free will. But it doesn’t matter because they are the exact same DNA at the center. Stuff like that. See what I mean?

The other thing is if you're thinking of only now and not what could be, that's still conscience just not fully thinking through or about the process. Not fully thinking cause and effect. Causal of stopped to think I'm right and not think about it more and even try to look at it from different angles no all we want to do is entangle in ourselves. That's where the conscience is lacking. It's not thinking whole it's only thinking partial. Jesus Christ is the whole of holy.

The brain is not the decision maker. The brain is like a computer, it's an input device. Your thinking is the result of neurons firing in your brain. I am here to give people hope. You can use your brain however you want. If you do not like the results of your thinking, change it. Think about what is really true, not what you think is true. You can change your life just by changing your thinking. *But who is thinking? Who is thinking if the brain is just an input device? Awareness is the only thing that matters. Awareness determines what happens. All of your thoughts are the result of the mind, but it's your awareness that determines your thoughts. If you can become aware that you are thinking then you can change what you think.*

@dungeon-wn4gw

2 жыл бұрын

"You can use your brain however you want" Setting aside how terrible of an understanding of how the brain actually works that comment shows. Pretty much woo woo garbage. Also, what you want is ultimately the result of prior causes which determined those wants, or of course your wants are the product of no causes in which case your wants just happen randomly with no reason. Every state of awareness you have either happens because of reasons or because of no reasons.

@KnowledgeCollectiveOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

​ @nathan Yes and No. Awareness is prior to the mind and the body and is not subject to those things. Awareness is not something that can be experienced by a brain or body or any other physical thing which follows cause and effect as all physical things do. Awareness cannot be changed or controlled or experienced by any physical thing. There was awareness before I was aware of it, and awareness is prior to the existence of a brain which is a physical organ. Awareness is not a brain or body or any other physical thing because it's non-physical. Awareness is not a product of anything at all because it's non-physical too. Awareness existed before any of this happened. Awareness did not come into existence because a brain was built. Awareness did not come into existence because a body was created. Awareness did not come into existence because a universe was formed. Awareness did not come into existence at all, awareness is what everything else comes into existence from, including the universe and the universe is only aware of itself when it thinks about itself. Awareness caused all of this to happen, but awareness did not come into existence because awareness existed. Awareness is timeless. Awareness is timeless and spaceless and does not depend on anything at all, including space or time itself.

@KnowledgeCollectiveOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

But maybe it also comes down to what you identify with. If you identify with your brain then you will think that your brain is the one thinking and that you are just an input device just like the brain. But if you identify with your awareness or lets say with the universe instead of your thoughts / Brain / Body or Emotions, then you will understand that thought is the result of awareness, not the other way around. Thought is created by awareness. People are not aware that they are thinking, but maybe you can become aware of yourself thinking because you are not your thoughts.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, there is no "me", personality also changes and evolves over time, could be by desire and intentionally.

@kos-mos1127

2 жыл бұрын

Awareness does not determine anything it senses things. The brain is not just in input device it is an output device as well. The Brain's network of input and output signals is what awareness is. There new brain parts consisting of the neocortex and prefrontal lobe allows us to plan, imagine, analyze and make judgements which are all the mental processes associated with self awareness and consciousness.

This might seem a bit sophomoric with such esteemed acedemics here...but could something else be entirelly missed hear as you are all so fcused (for over 40 years now) on assuming that we know where thoughts come from? Sure we can detect when we are having a thought, But there is no evidence of that thoughts origin, any more than a radio knues where (or in what manner the radio i5 transmiitting? The last thing I think ito add is that if YOU are having the thought, Then you are not an objective observer, But thinking youtself about the thing being tested. It would seem that you invalidate any testing when you are connected to the test Lasrly, if you are indeed "onserving our thouhjts": that would invalidate all of our data, based on an unproven premise, that we can separate from our thoughte. am not promoting this position, merely positing it as a possibiliy. I heard a quote that sums up my reluctance to a soly scientific approach: :"We will never understandconsciousness, necause consciousness is the one looking" I hope these ideas are not taken as comnative, that is not my intention (haha), and I hope you have the time to respond! I would love to here your thoughts... Thanks for the excellent mental fodder...

While this discussion may be interesting from a brain research perspective, the exact mechanism by which a decision is made isn't relevant to the larger topic of free will. Whether your actions are consciously or subconsciously driven doesn't change the fact that the chooser had no choice in their initial hardware and software. Since those affect everything subsequent to that, there was no free will to begin with.

@noodle122000

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a faulty premise. Having no choice in what you start with is irrelevant to the discussion. Free will is described as the ability to do otherwise. Initial hardware and software matters only if it is faulty. Not being able to think may rob ppl of free will. But if thoughts happen , free will has a very real chance of existing.

The experiment is flawed, the choice of a random thing is obviously unconscious, I think (and I am just a moron on youtube) that consciousness when faced with a situation to pick a random thing, it gives the "decision" to unconsciousness and so it looks random.

Robert, here's a spoiler. The answer to that question is forever NO!!! NO, NO. ;-)

This guy already has made the decision that free will exists but he is not aware of the decision yet.

very interesting... yes of course free will exist.

@callistomoon461

2 жыл бұрын

Of course not. Your choices are made by your neurons which obey the laws of nature. No freedom, just an illusion.

@PetraKann

2 жыл бұрын

@@callistomoon461 …..and the laws of nature allows free will. You’re assuming that the laws of nature are deterministic, causal, immutable, static and rational. Now that is an illusion.

@HyzersGR

2 жыл бұрын

Our brains are still constrained by the laws of nature.

@callistomoon461

2 жыл бұрын

@@PetraKann If they are not deterministic, then the laws are random which means they are not laws anymore. There is simply nothing in between. Apart from the missing logic, do you have one shred of evidence for your assertions?

@callistomoon461

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcobiagini1878 Quantum randomness just gives you randomness. No free will in it. It‘s a classic attempt to try to use quantum mechanics to escape the insight that free will does not exist.

Simple answer: No It’s both/and once again…. We do and we don’t There’s a area where the opposites are reconciled

I'm so tired of how ridiculous these religiously funded guys try to create a way to make free will sound plausible. Time and space are not absolute, they're relative. Same goes for human intention, will, desires; they are all the tethered to causality; they are relative. They depend on something. If God is incapable of having free will, why would we think we would have it?

The illusion of free will is maintained by our staying away from the electrified fence of our limitations.

Dear person that's reading this, we may not know each other but i wish you all the best in life.Stop blaming yourself, accept things and go forward. Your smile is precious😊. All the keys of happiness is in your hands, so open it up.❤❤

@Mastermindyoung14

2 жыл бұрын

Only 49840 left to go!

@ramazanbora846

2 жыл бұрын

wow, you opened my eyes. I always thought that I "saw", and now I realize that I just "looked". thanks boss.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Once you start running, you will run till the end of your days. Entire life is a continuous process, there are no new beginnings, it's a myth, another nonsense invented by ideology and religious lunatics.

This guy is a joke. No solid argument for free will presented.