I notice how Rashid mains are keeping quite and hoping that Capcom doesnt notice their character going under the nerf radar

@SOSLO1324

Ай бұрын

He is not as popular as ken so they don't need to downplay, shotos taking the heat of them.

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

That level 2 is still the most criminal super ever lol

@tilting_cat3344

Ай бұрын

rarely met rashid and base game only am confused on which pressure is fake and which is fake vs rashid lol

@MaD-_-HaX

Ай бұрын

@@MikeyDLuffy true but i'm sure Ed's level 2 is on the same level

From an Akuma main in SFV, and the most obvious differences is that SFV Akuma (Final patch version) had many more tools that SF6 Akuma. His His Raging Demon lost full invol, His teleport lost strike/FB invol, his Demon Flip lost its hit on the way up and its throw, the palm option can out way faster (It linger in 6 but at least it plus, ill give them that), you could cancel the non EX flip into EX FB or EX tatsu, and you could control how far it went on EX version. He had VS1 palm, VS2 kick (Launcher) and could side switch at any time, and the VS basically 1 hit of armor. His VT1 was godlike and had so much utility (No need to go over all that). He has none of that in 6. He might be the only iteration of a character in 6 that has less utility than his SFV counter part. In SF6 hes best played to his strengths: traditional shoto zoning but as an Akuma main why would I want to do that when I could play Ryu? And his DR is meh at best which is critical in this game. A good DR is paramount over the characters actual tools set in SF6. TLDR his strengths do not outweigh his weaknesses IMHO. Ken and Luke are better shotos.

@spvnage

Ай бұрын

akuma downplay is crazy! (only joking) It’s definitely debatable. Akuma is still new though so the answer should be more apparent in time. Either way nice comment it was very insightful.

@IytrrvItru

Ай бұрын

​@@spvnagehe's new but the character is VERY basic . Everything he said is right , i find both Ryu and Ken harder to play effectively than Akuma , it's just that Akuma has nothing on those 2 . Zero mixup game , lowest HP, short stubby normals .. trash demon setups , the fact that demon is available at 25% only is ridiculous.. the character is garbago currently

@KINTOKI_EX

Ай бұрын

This is pretty much how I feel as well. He feels like a watered down version of akuma. I was wait for him all year and I went back to playing juri because I think she much more fun to play

@spvnage

Ай бұрын

Don’t worry. Everyone is saying Ken is better, even Tokido the Akuma guy said it. Capcom will buff Akuma trust. I personally think Akuma is pretty annoying to face so even if hes watered down he is still a threat.

@willbm6836

Ай бұрын

I'm akuma main in SFV too, Last week I finally bought SF6 and tested Akuma for 1 hour, and the disappointment is real. the character is extremely boring, empty. But I didn't like Ken either. SFV akuma is so much more fun, I don't even know if I'll keep playing SF6.

He seems similar to SFV launch Akuma in that the more people discover the stronger he will get. People made the same “he doesn’t have this from SF4” comparisons simply because SFV Akuma was different. Once that got figured out though he stayed top 3 to 5 until near the last season

@desaranfenrir9295

Ай бұрын

Except people like Tokido discovered those things and stuck with the character. Now he is dropping the character. Akuma probably isn't even top 5.

@DevilRising

Ай бұрын

@@desaranfenrir9295 he can drop him he’s had his time with him. It’s like how daigo isn’t playing Ryu or Guile anymore. It’s more than just tier stuff they wanna move on to different characters. There’s a ton of legend rank Akumas and Fujimura will do work with Akuma. He had the biggest wins with Ibuki in V

@KINTOKI_EX

Ай бұрын

@@DevilRising I mean he didn’t really want to move on to a different character. He’s just not playing him because there’s no reason to play akuma over Ken

@DevilRising

Ай бұрын

@@KINTOKI_EX I think the only shoto there’s no reason to play is still Ryu but he’s good too now

@metalgeartrusty

Ай бұрын

@@KINTOKI_EXtheres reasons to play akuma. Better fireballs, damage, walkspeed and more consistent safejumps. Tokido just likes ken more and prolly doesnt like how akuma is a neutral titan rn.

Akuma is a great character but with burnout and how dangerous the corners are in this game, plus his health. I'm a Ryu main and I just don't make too much mistakes when facing him, I just have to touch him once and he melts.

Ken Downplayers hastily downvoting the video.

SFV was the first SF i played seriously, so im not clouded by past trauma of akuma being broken. And to me he feels just very solid. I could get him to master anytime, and ill do so and play him to 1750mmr and see what i think of him then, but usually its not that hard to tell how good a Shoto is, he just feels solid.

For now I think Akuma is a solid A tier. Def not S.

@ResidentNotEvil5

Ай бұрын

Ken and ryu is s tier watch endingwalker

I forgot where I herd them talking about it but they said one reason why he is not switching is not enough time bewteen the tournamnets to really but the time into him

On the topic of damage, it's hard to compare 9000 health Akuma to 850 health Akuma in USF4 or other low health characters because the damage in SF6 is just way higher. Defense in general was stronger in SF4 Akuma in sf4 never ever just got deleted. You would rarely, if ever even get killed in two hits but that happens ALL THE TIME in this game.

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

Agree it's not a 1:1, but it's a trend Ive noticed since the day I picked up FGs lol. People tend to use "low health" as a reason for characters being weak that very rarely actually shows in their results. Strive is an insanely high damage game and Chipp takes 27% damage more than average which is absolutely insane, yet still manages to be top tier in many patches. It is 100% a weakness, that's just a fact, I just don't think it actually holds a harder back if they have all the tools to make up for it.

Melbourne did he come to Australia dame would like to say hello if i known

Good video! I theoratically prefer Ken too for tournament runs I can imagine always corner carrying with ken is huge for most pro's. Although I'm inclined to say at some point akuma takes over ( like you said with chip) or melee spacies. I'm happy tokido sincerely ther a wrench in the whole narative lol

I'm a Juri main so maybe some bias here. But I think she's still below top 5, albeit closer to top tier than last season. Last season, people had her at the end of high tier with Marisa. Although her buffs were more negligible than other characters, she got some nice stuff, even while niche, that shores up some of her punish game. The Gachikun comment about the med or higher starters makes a lot of sense to me. I think Juri is positioned with the shotos and a few others as great Akuma heels. Not sure she wins the matchup, but it's close enough and she hits hard enough on her punishes that Akuma better take that throw. Overall I think she's in a great spot. Last season I thought she was in the sweet spot where she was very strong but not too strong; I'd argue she was where you'd want to balance most chars in the game if all could be equal. This season, I think she's a bit stronger and distinguishes herself more after the top/high tiers were shaken up a bit. Interested in other's opinions. Edit: I picked her partially because she excels at the system mechanics (see: drive rush). I think that, plus her insanely strong mids leading to an oppressive mix game, makes her a strong high tier. I hear claims for top 5, but I'd say 5 if that at best. I think she loses too hard in certain matchups esp against shoto/fireball chars like guile. I personally have her lower, maybe 6-8. Still oppressive, and hard to play against.

Every time I play him I have a hard to me believing he’s anything but top 5. He’s got so many tools. What is your top 5?

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

Note sure 100% yet but off the top of my head I think Akuma Ken Juri Rashid Guile maybe

@wulongchai

Ай бұрын

i think my top 5 is ken, guile, gief, aki, luke. Akuma will be like 6th or 7th tho.

@jesse76th96

Ай бұрын

Ken, jp, guile, luke, ryu...aki might be over jp now but too early to tell

They are wayyyy better players than me so I think they might be right about that, even though I think that Akuma is extremely strong but not yet mastered. Also, pros said before that AKI was the weakest character of the game until they got surprised by Shitsune.

Meanwhile, irl, Gachikun and BigBird mopped the floor with all the international competition at the EGW Dreamhack qualifiers using the true #1 S2 character.

Holy akuma downplay. He’s so freaking great.

Tokido is known for playing cheap, not Akuma. Tokido's character in SSF2T was Claw, because he was cheap.

If the best Akuma player in the world is not playing Akuma, thats how you know hes not top tier. Hes probably 6-8th ish. Making a mistake with him is COSTLY so much with him....and guess what? WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. Hes just not consistent to compete with at all. One fireball and you eat a jump in and its lights out. one miss timed shimmy and its game over. You just cannot take any risks with him and in a game where execution is easy and hes not getting much more damage VS everyone else in the game...not worth it.

I think akuma is very different then he was in the past. Its more about footsies and fireballs, not tokidos style nowadays maybe. Ken is more fun for him.

Akuma can win, alll depends on the player. Even of I were to get a dif version of Guy I'd still stick with Guy and find a way to mastery him

There was a ton of hype around Akuma being broke before he even dropped, so it'll def take a bit before people chill out about Akuma being cracked, it's just a massive bias now. No one was complaining Gief was OP s1 when Snake qualified for CCX, people just highlight losing to Akuma a ton now because they expect him to be broke. In reality, Akuma's midscreen damage is average, his cashout CA damage is actually just a bit above average, definitely nothing insane. His corner pressure isn't anything insane, Akuma's biggest strength is his strong FBs but his low health actually does make a big difference. Everyone is just playing Akuma now so it's just given them a bias and 9K health makes you essentially 2 touch, every character in SF6 does so much damage and Akuma struggles from that the most. I'd say people are definitely coping about Gief being broken as well, if you're a gief main, you realise that nothing game breakingly got changed to Gief other than knee, and even then, that doesn't justify the debatable bottom 1 of the game s1 skyrocketing up to top 5, people are struggling with the GRAPPLER matchup right now, not Gief being broken. Personally characters like Ken, Luke and Blanka didn't fall off as hard as people think, they still have access to great tools and have great pokes and more time needs to be given until top 5 is obvious.

It would be funny though if it comes down to the player of Akuma, not Akuma itself. Just like the saying, "It's not the car, it's the driver."

Gachikun: the only thing he can do is throwing fireballs. He may sound extreme but I actually agree with this. Compared to Ken/Ryu, Akuma lacks of proper reward and corner carry in the middle of the screen. Demon flip has bunch of variations but they are not enough to make up for the health shortage. As a Ryu main, after trying out Akuma for a couple of days I feel like his strongest part is his fireball and damage in the corner. But a stronger fireball character isn't what I expected from Akuma at all.

He's got too many bad matchups imo , which is why pros tend to go for a character that is not lower than 50/50

It's all about that Sho Ryu Reppa!!

Honestly im a game with no health, Akuma having less than anyone is enough to dissuade some from using him. Tokido is also at the level where players essentially can kill Akuma from possibly 1 or 2 interactions, its understandable he may not want to give up Ken's benefits and reliability. There may be some people who will rabidly try to tell me something about Akuma being broken in thier ranked sessions. But 97% of players, them included will never experience the meta nor gameplay Tokido sees to where he would make such a decision on Akuma

I think you're totally wrong about Tokido persuing playing Akuma. He likes to play cheap characters, period. Akuma has historically been a cheap character in most games (especially in sf4). In sf2 he played Vega and Boxer, sf3 Urien and Chun, sf4 Akuma, sf5 Akuma only in the first character season where he was strong, Urien and Boxer afterwards.

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

He was the one hyping up that he would swap to Akuma weeks before his release lol

@tutuvue6294

Ай бұрын

He was literally the 1 who made akuma strong in 5. Akuma was considered middle tier at best til tokido won evo.

I actually agree with Tokido....not get me wrong I think Akuma have potential with a few buffs he will be a menace but as RIGHT NOW.....is kinda the same issue SFV Akuma had in launch, the low health was an issue in V but that was rectified quickly in a mid patch they did before EVO.....allow Akuma grow to top tier in no time...................here beside that I feel Akuma normals betray him......he no longer have that godlike cr HP palm, no longer have his VSKILL1 and with no way to access something like VT1 which in essence made Akuma SHIN AKUMA he feel a bit lacking, his damage conversion in this game depend of many situations, know very well when his light tatsu will juggle his DPs or his supers, and his lv2 is pretty cool but if is not close to the corner is not a lose situation like Rashid or Blanka or Juri. His cr MK is way too short compared with Ken, his st MP is...kinda awful unless you are close, st mk is not as near as good as was in SFV, and the Teleport is way weaker now cool it have a command grab, but is not very useful for anything else....no side switch combo like in SFV early seasons.....and in a game with Parries and DI his charging fireball is kinda useless and Akuma die way too quick..............Ken is just more powerful at the moment and even Ryu might be a better option for tournaments than Akuma.

Is modern Ken better then modern Akuma? On top of that what do you consider to be some of the best modern characters after the patch? PS: thanks for the content

@heretickishyt

Ай бұрын

Yeah stop playing fgs

@SlimFrady

Ай бұрын

@@heretickishyt Why?

@viewerguy10

Ай бұрын

Ignore him, he’s trying to gatekeep you for using modern mode

@kevinwong9353

Ай бұрын

gief or chun!

The thing is, tokido used Luke in the beginning of SF6, then switched to Ken. It turned out that Luke was the most busted character and arguably the most finalist in any tournament. So it is still early, and once Akuma is fully optimized you will see people complain about how busted he is.

It’s probably because raging demon is avoidable if it wasn’t the ryu buffs wouldn’t have mattered

Wish Chun Li wasn't nerfed She doesn't have throw loops and takes skill to play Hope they buff her in the future

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

Agreed tbh, I played her on the side and loved watching her. Luckily she's still strong at least

Akuma becoming more fair? He just needs a couple balances.

tokido is a new robot master its name is meta man

Akuma definitely feels like a jack of all trades, master of none in SF6. Sure, he has better fireballs than Ryu for zoning on paper, but why take the time to charge a red fireball when I can beat something like DI on reaction with Ryu's three-hitting OD Denjin Hadouken, which has insanely fast startup and recovery? Akuma has the damage, but his normals are stubby, and he doesn't have Ken's high-low mixup or Ryu's plus frames pressure.

@sladedari8595

Ай бұрын

The fireballs are better uncharged

i'll shall add to this that they are talking of Gouki in a Tournament set of play. We still need to have in mind they're talking about the top 0.005% of players. Gouki is reaaally good up to 1.9MR. Instead of Ryu which needs a ton of good read to get value out of his kit, Gouki doesn't need crazy execution to be able to go for easy 4K average combos (i.e, st hk, st mk DRC, st HP, ex adamant, HDP for easy sample). They are also talking about Japanese meta prospective were all is about zoning and ressources managing. Gouki's best strength is about rush down, but his good tools in pure footsies are his cr.mp, cr.mk, st.hp, f.HP and f.MK. Those tools are good, but nothing incredible compare to all classical top zoning character.

Love akuma but Ken, Rashid, DeeJay, and Guile are better imo.

He’s right Akuma is strong but he’s definitely not stronger than Ken nor Ryu now after the patch. They have better normals and can get the same amount of damage just about.

I think they were trying hard to not make the 09ers and 016ers cry. People keep saying he's new and he hasn't been labbed enough. I call bs. Lab all you want I don't see how labbing is going to affect that low health. They say it doesn't matter much and yes, this is true...when he had lots of tools, which he doesn't have in SF6. Meh drive rush, raging demon available at 25% health. A whole plethora of stuff as mentioned already but that stupid charged fireball...as a Kimberly player as soon as I see that charging starting I just run slide him or teleport on top of him with a big combo ready. Definitely low end of top tier. Way too many bad matchups and thus inconsistent. I don't want to reference Daigo as he is no longer the player he used to be. But I watch his streams and when he was Ken he was way more consistent usually in the top 30's of legend. With Akuma...one day it's 30, one day it's 200, hell, I even saw him drop down to MR. It's all over the place with Akuma.

Guys like daigo schould have secondary character if they main Akuma, to counter the likes of Zangief (he just need to use the 3 standing punch to we against akuma because of the health difference)

#BuffAkuma

Akuma is pretty meh in 6. Way way way too honest. His damage mid screen is trash and has 0 corner carry n side switches. Fireball game is very good but 1 jump in and your tournament could end.

@rayneoftera

Ай бұрын

I totally agree with this, it's like they were trying hard to not make the 09ers and 016ers cry. People keep saying he's new and he hasn't been labbed enough. I call bs. Lab all you want I don't see how labbing is going to affect that low health. They say it doesn't matter much and yes, this is true...when he had lots of tools, which he doesn't have in SF6. Meh drive rush, raging demon available at 25% health. A whole plethora of stuff as mentioned already but that stupid charged fireball...as a Kimberly player as soon as I see that charging starting I just run slide him or teleport on top of him with a big combo ready. Definitely low end of top tier. Way too many bad matchups and thus inconsistent. I don't want to reference Daigo as he is no longer the player he used to be. But I watch his streams and when he was Ken he was way more consistent usually in the top 30's of legend. With Akuma...one day it's 30, one day it's 200, hell, I even saw him drop down to MR. It's all over the place with Akuma.

I don't understand saying 'literally the only bad thing is his health' when his low forward is stubby, 8 frames and his DR is so slow.

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

His low forward is like a pixel or two shorter than Cammys who also has an 8 frame low forward. I've never heard anyone complain about Cammys. Stubby is such a huge overstatement. His drive rush is pretty ass though yeah

@duxnihilo

Ай бұрын

@@MikeyDLuffy Stubby is relative here. I can't DR and low forward people because his low forward is 8 frames and his leg doesn't reach.

@MikeyDLuffy

Ай бұрын

@@duxnihilo Relative to what though? Again, most people will say Cammy's low forward is really good (especially coupled with her walk speed) and Akuma's is almost identical. Akuma also has better walk speed than her

@mintcake6895

Ай бұрын

you people complaining about akumas low forward need to stop. in and of itself, its not bad. its basically identical to ryu, while having a tiny bit less range than characters like luke and cammy. but coupled with his insane movement speed, the effectiveness of his low forward becomes ludicrous. dont just look at things on paper. you cant hit people because his button is "stubby"? use his stupid movement speed to your advantage and stop being a stationary fridge 😭

@duxnihilo

Ай бұрын

@@mintcake6895 Ryu's low forward goes miles ahead of Akuma's. Anyway, I'll concede I exaggerated by calling it stubby; what about my other points?

Nah Akuma is just mid tier🙃, still he's the only character i'll play, bt his ex zanko needs sf5 properties his zanko shouldn't vanish on hit,mid-screen adament flame juggle, & demon flip grab! Also raging demon access at 50% hp, faster red fireball charge & consistent back hk AA (10 frames startup) faster dr..Akuma top 3 only then & yes 500more health