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@gladiumcaeli

3 жыл бұрын

So when are you going to try out judo? With you training in bjj and aikido i'm sure you'll get the hang of it quickly

@JariPlaysBJJ

3 жыл бұрын

That was a fun experience, big thanks to Rokas for inviting me to do this. :) My advice to both haters and likers: go and test your technique in a new environment. It won't always work the way you expect, but it's a good experience in any case. I've tested my jiu-jitsu in different arts, learned a lot and enjoyed the journey. :) I remember my first attempts trying to take down an elite judo player or elite wrestler over 10 years ago, my landings improved a lot in a single session! :D Still far away from that level, but still learning. No substitute for experience. -Jari Anttila

@umbraemilitos

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your whole journey.

@alexandrebreck

3 жыл бұрын

Make these videos that show BJJ and Aikido. These are unreal videos. Aikido has no real efficiency at all. Different from BJJ.

@umbraemilitos

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrebreck Is this your first time on this channel?

It's almost as if Aikido could be improved with sparring and pressure testing like most martial arts.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Almost... 🤔😂

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

3 жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t be aikido then it would be something else. What you’re describing would be like what happened with Kano Jigoro. He pressure tested Japanese Jujutsu, and a lot of techniques were “weeded out” so to speak because they didn’t hold up. Then Judo was born.

@user-nb8dm1gz2t

3 жыл бұрын

Grappling is just grappling. It would just end up as wrestling/bjj/judo with Aikido wristlocks lol. The only thing that separates these systems is the ruleset

@tubesism

3 жыл бұрын

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 The context is important though. How come Judo guys don't just punch each other in the face? Surely punches "work". How did they get weeded out. How come in this video Aikido bro never just elbowed the other guy in the face? Context of training is a thing.

@albertonishiyama1980

3 жыл бұрын

@@tubesism judo actually has a lot of punchs and kicks tho. It's only that you wouldnt learn it in a sport focused dojo becaused it was banned to differentiate judo from karate (karate also had lots of grapling that people dont learn unless they go after old versions for the same reason). It's like a MMA-focused muay thay class, that most likely will not teach techniques banned in MMA rules unless the student actively goes after it.

This makes me think this is how these techniques were originally meant to be used, but after decades of being filtered through bad training practices and bullshido the actual practicality and application got lost along the way.

@DarkDoughnutsVids

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this ^

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Good point Rizwan! I think so too, that without pressure testing a lot of it has been stylized and watered down.

@LewisHosie

3 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that in the early days, Ueshiba would regularly cross-train his students with judoka. I really wish there were videos of a form of aikido that would hold be able to hold its ground against a good judoka.

@Veepee92

3 жыл бұрын

Ellis Amdur has a much better explanation, that deals with what he calls "esoteric power training", ie. particular type of solo gymnastic exercises that are at least partially derived from esoteric practices of Shingon Buddhism and Shinto mysticism. The rabbit hole goes far deeper than that, but that is the simplest way to put it. Contextually accurate applications of these techniques are still found everywhere in Japanese koryu arts, where they are still trained in their accurate medieval military framework. In that context the sportive wrestling distance as showed in the video would have already ended up with a knife up someone's armpit.

@slaffkas

3 жыл бұрын

Probably they could be used against some ancient weapons, when a hand cannot be easily retracted after it is stretched out. That would make sense.

Want a second part of this video...

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

🙏 Friday 😊 And then next week I'll be releasing pressure testing of Aikido knife defense

@hamadalrowaie6882

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney we'll be waiting 🥰😍

@Kev.in1997

3 жыл бұрын

Just a second? He could make a whole Series out of this!

@hamadalrowaie6882

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kev.in1997 i agree with you !! And he can start a new journey ! 😍

@tayloredandelions6089

3 жыл бұрын

Yes pleas Maby the like a video they trust to look at using the primary prisipuls of ikedo but modified the exiktion for etch one

Dude, hopefully this is a whole series where you go through the Aikido curriculum and try to make the techniques functional. Itd be cool to see you build it into something functional.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

We're looking into making it happen 😁👊

@iammichael1094

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney Come on man....That is original Aikijutsu....your going in circles....the answers were always there in the beginning.

@darrionmarrow6486

Жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney we need a update

Making your Aikido more functional. I like it!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

One step at a time! 😁👊

@sankari6114

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney Hey what is Jaris surname?

@perfectsplit5515

3 жыл бұрын

Coincidentally, my BJJ teacher actually tapped me with a Sankyo. We were training live starting from standing. I gripped his collar to control the distance and set up a judo throw. He responded with a Sankyo on the hand I just used to grip his collar!

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney Are you from Finland?

Id love to see these attempted on someone who's more of a beginner than your coach. Especially now that you've had some assistance from him in refining. Like the one you pulled off in a competition.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Hey d20Fitness! I am thinking about it too. I'll probably get a white belt with me on camera soon enough and will see the results :)

@ScottGarrettDrums

3 жыл бұрын

Speaking from personal experience, these work really well on people who don't have martial arts training. Which is the vast majority of people.

@OverSooll

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottGarrettDrums I agree, I'd say karate and aikido is workable mostly if done by surprise or against inferior opponents

@herpsociety

3 жыл бұрын

Im a blue belt and have gotten these rolling with all ranks. Sankyo is handy because you don't need a backstop like most wristlocks in BJJ.

@zhaoronglim

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney wrist locks illegal for white belts. be quite an ass to try on them, get a blue to try on :)

This is one of the clearest illustrations of the importance of pressure testing I’ve ever seen. Nicely done, Rokas!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Shelby 🙏

I like your project a lot! And as a Brazilian Iam proud of the BJJ martial art utility! My Aikido master teached us about this, actually. We were studying the main techniques, and how they were design to fight in ample spaces, imagining an opponent surging in your line of vision with a knife or sword advancing. If you can't induce the oposition to run through you, the technique would be useless. Shikanai sensei is a wonderful man. He always come up with discussions like this. He also brings fighting techniques from other martial arts or sports. Though we treat Aikido not as am effective fighting technique, rather we use it to learn more about motion, focus, health, discipline and seld development. and the training is more like a study class, in which we all discuss the techniques, the physical and tactical utility of it and etc. Gosh! I miss Aikido

@fore3063

3 жыл бұрын

Good to here that. Also, about the health part, the oldest man in Taiwan (where I live) doing Aikido is more then 90 years old now, and he is still able to do some of the toris. Leaving the effective question apart, the fact that he is still doing sports and keep himself healthy is almost like a miracle, haha.

@josemanueljaureguiargenta9712

3 жыл бұрын

@@fore3063 Nice! This is the way 👌

Yes! This reminds me of my Aikido school. One of my instructors is a BJJ practitioner. This is like our afterclass training for advanced students. We pressure test our Aikido techniques like this. I wish Aikido schools would adapt to these type of training. Great video! 😊

I’ve had the last one done to me in the gi by a BJJ practitioner who used to fight MMA. I asked him if it was aikido and he said he didn’t know. He had just grappled enough in his life to be able to improvise.

@bastrixer

2 жыл бұрын

Wrist locks are not Just in aikido. Ju jutsu, bujinkan and a few others have these or a variation of them. Aikido acctuly has quite alot of nasty wrist, elbow locks, many times combined with a throw.

It's crazy to think a BJJ guy figured out how to use your akido before you did.

@lemadfab

3 жыл бұрын

Thé beauty of pressure testing and constant fighting!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

👊

@Kev.in1997

3 жыл бұрын

You can't teach experience ;) As long as the technique actually works its possible to figure out how to modify it for a bjj context The hardest part after this is probably trying to figure out how to apply this "new technique" under real pressure

@robcubed9557

3 жыл бұрын

I train BJJ myself and my coach had told me that he trained with a few Aikidokas in the past. He claims Aikido can definitely work, but it needs DECADES of constant practice before many people feel comfortable using those techniques.

@odudog

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not. If you know Aikido, you know there is tons of stuff that he doesn't get about the art. His explanations are the proof.

I'm a big fan of your Batman shirt, Rokas

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It was actually given to me as a gift by a BJJ black belt at the very start of my BJJ journey, so I extra cherish it 😁 Love Batman too of course.

@Ninja112594

3 жыл бұрын

Big fan of your Rokas, Batman shirt.

@sankari6114

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney Hey Rokas you should do an "aikido vs judo" video also. It would be really interesting. I also did aikido and went thrue a lot of the same things that you did.

Glad to see you are not just dismissing Akido man. ^^ Keep up these fantastic videos.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you EM H

Great video!! I added some of the techniques I learned in earning a JJJ black belt to my game after I got my BJJ black belt. Deeper knowledge of grappling made the old techniques come alive. Your videos have only gotten better. OSS.

This guy is impressive. He is a true fighter. He didn't just give up when all his years poured into Aikido didn't give him the necessary skills to fight proven disciplines. He learnt from it, and bettered himself. Actually rose up in BJJ

This is probably one of the best video on this channel, giga informative :)

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Nice Kradukman! Glad to hear it

Rokas, when I first saw this, I was like YES! That's exactly what was taught to us by our Aikido instructor. There's this idea of keeping it close to your body so to not create a space for escape. Also, you have a stronger force if its close to your center, like opening a jar lid as an example, where you keep it closer before twisting it open. I'm surprised you didn't realize this earlier on your Aikido training.

I've been watching your videos for a good bit now, you're going in the right direction. Keep it up!! Wish I had the same mentality back then.

Man, i truly admire you. You're giving the world a true master class about open mindness, open heart, authenticity, honesty, humbleness, expansion, improvement! BIG CHEERS TO YOU . ACIU!!!!

maybe this is how aikido should have been but then after they stopped pressure testing and made it more of an art/ performance only the ideas were kept.

That is what I was expecting to see for couple years :)

You just washed my soul once again :) thanks and keep up with the great work!! Btw,I had already lots of experience agains resisiting opponents, since I am actually quite big and strong and my friends always doubted it worked.. so we made lots of contests with no punches or kicks, just submissions and takedowns,, and usually it would end up everyone agains me. GREAT tips.. but I must say, I had some AMAZING classes with Sensei ONO, in São Paulo, and he always said that, it (the locks and techniques)should be taken to your control, that's why posture is so important, you mut bew balanced and put the "target" under your control zone.. AMAZIN Experience. I am SO SO HAPPY that you are applying Aikido now :D Please keep up!!!

Much respect for your honesty and openness

It’s interesting that the correction the bjj coach brought are exactly how I learnt these locks in jjj. It’s fascinating to me to see these technics in different martial arts, but at the end little important details and fight experience are what makes them work. Are you going to make a video trying akido throws? The set up may be easier than for wrist locks!

@robleyusuf2566

3 жыл бұрын

Well Aikido and BJJ originated from Japanese Jiujutsu so they are from the same root

I did Mochizuki (Yoseikan) Aikido literally forty years ago. Only for a year and a half. The way the BJJ coach brought the wrist locks in close to his chest was exactly what we were shown to make an aikido technique effective against a resistant opponent.

I dig how you go in with no ego. True martial artist mindset. Cheers mate

Thank you for Your response and for sharing your journey

More of this would be super cool

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

More will come!

As a former Aikido practitioner myself, it does feel nice seeing this video. Even though I train mostly judo and jiu-jitsu now, I sometimes do try to see what movements from Aikido may work

@DonDon-ou7jt

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaGNtqimhsKviJs.html

@magicbori

3 жыл бұрын

@@DonDon-ou7jt I may heard about this before. Unfortunately where I live, there is no one who practices this form of Aikido. Thanks for sharing

@DonDon-ou7jt

3 жыл бұрын

@@magicbori im a judo guy and i believe every martial arts can be applied, its just that some people stick by the book and doesent know how to apply what they learned in their martial arts. yes that form of aikido has sparring and its cool, you see aikido techniques works.

@supershooter20

3 жыл бұрын

@@DonDon-ou7jt : I think that's why judo conquers all. In randori ( which was a great innovation by Jigoro Kano) , we respond to the opponent and even lead the opponent to the throw we want. Judo can be unpredictable Nd that's the secret of martial art success. Mushashi expounded this essence in his Book of 5 Rings. Too bad many martial artist is still clueless about this.

@SeaTeaSnow

2 жыл бұрын

When I lived in Japan and got my judo black belt, the Aikido guys were practicing right next to us… it was very cult like and not very effective

So far the lessons I've learned from this channel: 1) Don't dismiss "old" martial arts... they have (had?) applications in the past, they just currently tend to be watered down versions. Some techniques have surprising applications (in a limited sense) 2) Cross Train... to fill gaps that are in every form of specialized martial art. 3) Pressure test / Spar... get into a good gym that will pressure and test you, without breaking you. Resistance helps improve techniques, as well as build character ;) 4) Last but not the least, keep your ego in check. By far people who I've seen improve the most in any discipline are those who keep their ego well in check and constantly ask for feedback on what/how to improve. People like this tend to be a few "levels" higher than their counterparts with the same amount of years in the discipline. Good job sir and keep it up! It's an inspiring thing to behold especially for us plebs who just got into martial arts and try to improve our lot in life :D

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Well put! Thank you

This video is so inspiring. Thank you to show the way of learning and improve

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@maskwhite4296

3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome

Disclaimer 1: Yoshinkan Aikido ( blackbelt ) and Judo ( brown belt ) Disclaimer 2: Absolutely love your video journey ! 1. The best aikidoka began as judoka. Why? Body positioning and movement. Judo is all about understanding footwork and center of gravity. Judo, like wrestling, develops a strong center line. Aikido teaches you to move with that strong core.. Judo gets you to the joint lock position, aikido finishes it efficiently. Goshin Jitsu is the result. 2. Using your core ( as did your instructor ) is the way Takeno Sensei teaches in Japan. It teaches you to use your core, move with your core, and to keep your elbows in ( as did your instructor ). Hand speed is a must. Covid sucks without a training partner. 3. Gotta be honest, kettle training is second to none is getting one to understand core movement ( hip hinge ) + joint mobility. Love your videos. Love that you are keeping it real.

I use sankyo all the time when escaping from seatbelt grips, either from the bottom of turtle or when my back has been taken. It's only a small modification to the standard 2-1 escape but I find it helps. And the Nikyo principle is great for popping sleeve grips.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to try that and I'm sure I will! Thanks Sean

This video made me happy! Good to see you working on these techniques :D

This is beautiful, I love the idea of each martial art practitioners teaching each other different ways to become better for both Martial arts, this was really cool, hope you do more

@MartialArtsJourney

2 жыл бұрын

More will come

Great vídeo as usual!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Oh niiice! You were able to pull off the special emoji! 😁😊 So cool. Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video.

@pablosales3322

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney The emoji is so cool! Your dog is beautiful by the way! Thanks, Rokas!

Wrist locks are quite hard in grappling, as a good grappler can defend against them. Nikkyo, Kotegaeshi can be done to white belts, as they will take such grips where their hands are vulnerable and they don't continue to better position or let go. Such grips happen more often when fighting with knives, sticks and swords, as controlling the knife wielding hand is more important.

@user-nb8dm1gz2t

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Aikido was originally made for samurai fighting in armor

@genezysgoncalves5937

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Trying to get a knife is easier said then done my friend. Ir armour makes a lot more sense.

@benbratko9904

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve done kotegeshi on blue, purple, and brown belts before. It’s not a super high percentage technique but it does work

@combatsportlover6919

3 жыл бұрын

@@genezysgoncalves5937 Yep, I think a lot of the techniques were meant to be used against weapons WHILE ALSO fighting in Armour.

I am absolutely fascinated of the fact that I was actually taught these exact techniques that your coach demonstrated back when I was a kid as part of my self-defense education and they worked for me plenty of times! I never memorised their names (not sure we were told their names), but I've known these since I was little and am absolutely fascinated to find them in your video, in the context you described. My senseis were karate and judo senseis, focused on traditional, practical versions of the discipline and not the sports version and with the passing of time, I discover that they were far more knowledgeable than I previously thought!

I like this little experiment. Maybe you're showing us the next evolution of aikido. Keep up the great work!

One of the most import principles of any martial art is that you can’t “try” to perform a technique. You use a technique appropriate for your position. Once you chose a technique and were trying for it, your instructor can counter because he knows what’s coming, AND doesn’t have to worry about any other techniques

Make this à series this was really good. I do Japanese Jiujitsu which applies techniques in the way you were shown so nice to know we are on to something....

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

More videos will be on the way!

@lemadfab

3 жыл бұрын

I practice Jjj and judo and yes it’s fascinating we are taught the corrected way. I’m wondering what happened to akido and jjj for the same technics to be used/taught differently?

@user-nb8dm1gz2t

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemadfab pressure testing and Aikido became a cult

You are very lucky to have your BJJ Coach to help you make your Aikido techniques more effective and I like that you eagerly accepted his suggestions. In the ‘90s, I was asked by a guy from my Karate organization to help him start a Dojo. So I quit my 2nd bout of Aikido training to help him. After about 7 years, he was going to take his Yodan test and asked me to help him. I agreed, but when I tried to make suggestions to make his throwing techniques (part of the Yodan Test) more effective, he wasn’t accepting.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

True. Many TMA practitioners are not eager to accept feedback

Great example of documentation in a concise “vlog” style, especially for a focused technique test. My martial knowledge is limited but the approach to test, re-test, and reflect, sounds wise.

Trained with a BJJ Blue belt that ran an Aikido club he would always use a set up never just going for a technique. You try grabbing someone's wrist and cranking it on to even an untrained guy your pissing in the wind. It would be a like a BJJ guy trying to armbar you from standing without jumping in the air.

@jestfullgremblim8002

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, that's why aikido isn't viable for actual combat (if i'm not mistaken, most of it's techniques are expecifically for an opponent that is straight up running at you without thinking or anything) but there are some techniques that do work everytime, mostly the ones that are used a lot in jujutsu and are also in aikido. For example: ipon seoi nage. I've seen akidokas doing this throw but in a way that your foe will just roll without harm, i guess that this is because aikido is made so none of the fighters get harmed.

@user-vt8jp7px9v

3 жыл бұрын

@@jestfullgremblim8002 I hope that one day we can all see the value in each others practices and make martial arts a far less toxic community.

@user-vt8jp7px9v

3 жыл бұрын

@@jestfullgremblim8002 Saying that Aikido relies on someone running at you isn't true, Aiki is a principle. You don't need Aikido to learn these but it's another method, martial arts is martial arts it's all the same in the way you move your body.

@hokuspokusIiI

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-vt8jp7px9v The basic principles of Aikido, and jiu jitsu as well, is to funnel chaos into recognizable move from your opponent that you can then work with. My take is that Aikido is basically a pared down set of judo techniques, so you have to try and “lead” uke into a using an attack you can manage, in a form where you can manage it. The limited move set is really its weakness... you are limited to VERY specific conditions where the techniques will “work”.

@user-vt8jp7px9v

3 жыл бұрын

@@hokuspokusIiI I understand what you're saying. But say I'm going to right hook you in the head. You'd move out the way right? It'd be easy to avoid that.. Say I grabbed you and went to throw you over my hip in judo? You'd easily drop your weight right? Well if I tried to grab your wrist then you'd easily resist in a similar way you avoided all the other techniques and that's when it comes down to martial skill, adaptation and training methodology. Judoka often use a handful of techniques anyway, how many punches are in boxing?

I can show you several ways to use Aikido techniques while rolling in BJJ. Sankyo is most useful as a back escape, or from guard. You can get a nikkyo by getting to an omoplata position. The sankyo is the most high percentage technique Im able to get regularly on all belt ranks.

Rokas, I like your honesty and your search for the truth. I definitely like to see a second part and I also think Aikido is still viable.

Your coach is awesome! You seem to have a great attitude. This is what it should be about learning from each other.

This was a really good video, I'd love to see more standing locks videos :-)

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Midgaards! I'd love to learn some more standings locks too. Will look into it.

@user-nb8dm1gz2t

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney waki gatami can work when they grab your lapel or throat

Nice work man!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

👊

Thank you for educating the masses

dude I love seeing you practice BJJ and also trying this stuff out, gimme more of thisss

@MartialArtsJourney

2 жыл бұрын

Already on it :) Stay tuned

This is so interesting. I come from Tai Chi an am training in BJJ now too. I habe the same doubts as you had on Aikido. I want to develope a "functional Tai Chi". Besides training BJJ, do you have any advise, what i could do to make my journey more efficient? Thanks for sharing your journey with us!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Das Pepe! Making your martial art functional is a really tough thing. I would personally advise going on a similar route like myself - put Tai Chi on hold. Devote yourself to a combat sport (BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA, etc.) and then after at least a good year's practice see if someone comes out or not

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

3 жыл бұрын

Muay Thai is always a great place to start.

@Das_Pepe

3 жыл бұрын

​@@MartialArtsJourney Hey Rokas, thanks for the quick reply. I cant put Tai Chi on hold since im teachin it in a school and I really like it. But no worries I'm not teaching nonsense self defense. Most of my students come for the health benefit and meditation and I'm always telling them that they cannot defend themselfs with it, if they don't practise to do so. Maybe I'm wrong but I think it could be easier to make Tai Chi functional, since it was developed as a self defense system and not a "kind of martial" practice, like Aikido. But maybe im just a great fool by thinking that since the martial aspect of Tai Chi ist mostly lost since the cultural revolution in China, like 50 years ago. I hope I can keep an open mind on my journey. I will follow your instruction and first get the basics without trying to force in my Tai Chi, even though I already dicoverd some principals and techniques that are kind of alike. Thanks for sharing your journey. You´re a great inspiration

@genezysgoncalves5937

3 жыл бұрын

Its easier to develop a functional tai chi with striking than grappling. Or with sanda or sambo or even mma. Pure grappling wont be able to pressure test tai chi.

@Das_Pepe

3 жыл бұрын

@@genezysgoncalves5937 Tai Chi has rarely any strikes or kicks in it. Most techniques are stand up grappling techniques. But I guess Muay thai could be a great Striking art to lear for it, since it fokuses more on the clinch than e. g. Boxing

About the sankyo, i found out that you could reinforce it by try to do Shihonage first. Of course any decent fighter would notice it and resist, you could follow their resistance and twist back into Sankyo. I managed to do this like 2 times in MMA sparring but it's still a very hard stunt to pull off since you have to set up alot before executing the technique

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds interesting. I'd love to see it on video

@jamesfrankiewicz5768

3 жыл бұрын

I've managed to snag sankyo while on the ground, in an inferior, turtle (sort of) position (with opponent back-mount) when my opponent went to steady himself. Not the position you want to be in, in the first place, but it can be one way to get out of the situation.

Oooh this is exciting! Been watching your journey for a long time and I feel like now you definitely have enough fundamentals of BJJ to try to add aikido to your techniques

Awesome coach! He was 100% right no bs. Ty for putting this info out there great video

You should look up Dan the Wolfgang, he tries to apply akido systema and wing chun techniques to his MMA game. Paul Sharp of SBG also did some wrist locks as well

@paulrickett7564

3 жыл бұрын

Dan is a bully, a big strong guy (90+ kg) doing techniques on weak 60kg Japanese.

@jeffwalters1749

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulrickett7564 He talks about size in his videos, and he does show clips of him against guys bigger or equal to his size!

Do you know Leo Tamaki? He said something interesting in a (sadly, french only) interview on a channel called Karate Bushido, and it was that, among others, the end goal of aikido techniques isn't necessarily to throw the opponent on the ground, but to open them up, because those techniques were mostly used by samurai. To take the example of Kote Gaeshi, as he puts it, "if I can crank your right wrist just enough that it opens your left side, I can then use my tanto to carve you like a trout". Not only that, but given that your BJJ coach could find, as you put it, ways to make Aikido techniques actually effective tends to make me think that Jujitsu (brazilian or not) and aikido not only share the same background, but are two faces of the same coin. By that, I mean that the modern aikido we see today is too far removed from its origins, and that it is much closer to jujitsu than we think. What do you think?

@Westwood1816

3 жыл бұрын

Aikido is watered down Daito Ryu Aiki-jujutsu. Do some research. It was never meant to be a stand alone martial art. It was developed to provide defense for when you are armed and someone or a group of people are trying to take your weapon away and also for unarmed defense against a weapon developed by samurai security guards in castles where it was illegal to take weapons inside. All of Ueshiba's first students were already black belts in Judo and/or Karate.

@Artahe

3 жыл бұрын

@@Westwood1816 That's... basically what I'm saying ;).

@Westwood1816

3 жыл бұрын

@@Artahe right, its late. need to go to bed.

@Artahe

3 жыл бұрын

@@Westwood1816 :) no worries friend :)

Love your vids, they are so real and practice.

My dude, you are a pioneer. If only more aikido guys could be more like you.

You know I remember doing the last one in my BJJ class the guy teaching it was much like you where he did aikido for some time but crossed over to BJJ.

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that close to the body version of the wrist turn is how we train it in my karate dojo. one of my fellow students who's a cop has used it several times to get non-compliant people to the ground.

Keeping the wrist attached to your chest is called "platforming" and it uses your whole body to do the technique.

Most of Japanese arts who came to the west. When it came they heavely focused on Kata, but not on the application.

Aikido techniques don’t happen when you want them to happen! When you train long enough, you apply one of those techniques when it presents itself naturally as opposed to trying to apply them when you desire! Aikido happens when the Uke is trying to recover their balance even for the slightest moment. 99% of the time you try to apply Nikyo for example, it will fail to anyone resisting or just pulling away. True Aikido is never about trying to apply it and contrary to belief, it’s not even about taking their balance; It’s about using the right technique at the right body alignment of both Uke and Nage while they are trying to regain their balance. This is nothing new in combat, Boxers have been using it for years with punches instead of restraints and throws! A boxer doesn’t try to take down their opponent with a knockout punch while the other person is still strong and balanced, they do it when they are unbalanced and for a moment uncoordinated!

@singwithme2186

3 жыл бұрын

This is true. I hope you make it to the top so everyone gets to know the situation here.

@brunomenezes1410

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, i feel the whole point of aikido is a complementary art , still needs to be tested and improved tho

@AkameWai

2 жыл бұрын

of all aikido defenders out here in youtube, you are the one who explain how aikido technics work clearly. others would be like "TRUST ME AIKIDO WORKS BUT WE JUST TOO SUPERIOR TO USE IT AGAINST ANYONE!"

@ModdBoy

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment on this point when I saw you had already addressed it. This applies to all martial arts and sports in general. You need to react and adapt to what is happening in front of you. The goal is not to guide your opponent into position, so a specific technique can be applied. He should be trying to defend himself against the coach's random attacks within the Aikido framework. Not being able to adapt the techniques learned to any given attack is a failure in instruction and training not failure of Aikido or any other style. A good instructor should be able to teach their students how to close that gap and make an appropriate response. In the right hands with proper training these techniques can be very effective. It's never a question of, "Will Aikido work or not work?" The only question is "Have you trained properly in your chosen style to defend yourself?" If the answer is No. Get back in the gym and maybe find a better instructor. When you find yourself in your favorite stance, ready to engage, is not the moment to ask yourself "Am I prepared, do I actually know what I'm doing?" You may have allowed yourself to get into a situation where someone who does know what they're doing is about to make you look very foolish.

Okey, this is actually an awesome video ! I would love to see more of those.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

More are incoming!

@Dark89Avenger

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialArtsJourney Nice !

I really love your honesty! 💯❤️

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

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Very awesome!!! I love that you are showing us how you can have from what you learned in the past and try to adapt it to BJJ and your training. However Rokas if you do have the time to respond to this request I would like you to do a commentary on Wing Tsun "Anti Grappling" and hear your thoughts and comments on this subject. The Individuals to check out are Victor Gutierrez and Emin Boztepe. They claim with their style of Wing Tsun (Aka Wing Chun) they can "Anti Grapple" and beat any grappler with pure Wing Tsun. Also a lot of their followers claim they have even beaten real grapplers with no footage. Both individuals have instructionals on youtube on how to beat grapplers or do a comparison of Wing Tsun vs Grappling Styles. However keep training and kicking ass Rokas!!! Here is a Video Example from Victor Gutierrez on Wing Tsun Anti Grappling. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXaczc9yk9LWk6Q.html Just to let you see if you have the time.

I give this guy all the credit in the world for being honest to himself and admitting he practically wasted 15 years on a useless martial art. I hope he does succeed in finding something useful In akido.

@jeffwalters1749

3 жыл бұрын

So would you say the same about someone who studied BJJ for 15 years and then gets shot or dies in a car accident? I heard on the news some years back of a decorated Navy Seal who came back to the states and was killed by a drunk driver! The point is if you haven’t done it, you have no credibility on the subject and your view of the world is very limited in critical thinking!

@1Sierra47

3 жыл бұрын

What hell!?! Your statement is a bit of an overreaction. I have real world experience and let me explain. 25 years ago they taught us defensive tactics at the Police Academy with a huge emphasis on Akido. Later in life I got involved in BJJ, MMA and wrestling. Do you know what happen to work for me in real world situations? It wasn't Akido! I found that if the situation wasn't perfect Akido just didn't cut it, period. Now, in Police Academys , atleast where I am, there is a strong focus on BJJ and MMA, BECAUSE THEY WORK. That's my experience, please explain what your is, I am dying to know.

I love this. I have 7 years of aikido and had my first day in jiu jitsu today.

im so happy you tried this! in the style i practice, we use aikido techniques, but only in rare circumstances. when you two fixed the techniques to where they worked better in the situation, it made me proud of my style because it is how we train our aikido techniques! 😁

Three observations: 1) didn't you do any after-class training? What we're seeing here is like the stuff beginners figure out when they play around with the techniques. Of course your BJJ coach is faster at getting it than your average beginner. Once one figures those bits out, most people realize that there is actually more depth to aikido than just cranking wrists -- that's the part where a good coach comes in 2) your view of techniques appears to be really limited: kote gaeshi is turning around the wrist (no thought is given to opposing motion, say), you're not aware of the nikyo variation that is approriate to the kind of grabs you're getting (basically, you're inside the grip and your elbow is close to the partner's elbow), your view of nikyo appears to be completely encapsulated in "turn around the wrist", the sankyo you show in the old aikido video is all about pain, again your understanding of what makes the technique seems to entirely miss the balance and dynamics parts 3) from what I've seen at your school's youtube, your aikido training seems to have focused on distances larger than grappling distance, but you never actually try to create distance. Yet the training there also seems to have focussed on the dynamic part a lot, and you show very little understanding of that. I'm sorry you got so little out of 15 years of aikido practice. Seriously. I fail to see anything "aikido" in this grappling session, unless you believe that turning the wrist this way or that way makes something aikido

i love these kind of videos man

This is wonderful, Rokas! I prefer to think of you as raucous, because that is what you are causing. That is to say, your name fits well for what you apparently cause. That is meta. Run full clip at the meta when you can. That being said, you are really coming into your own and seem to have beaten the burnout stage by assessing the aspects of what you're pursuing's value add to your life. It is quite a sight to behold, and is powered by something greater than control. That is to say, it is powered by vulnerability. It's wonderful to see the ebb and flow of your life as you seem to understand it more through intentional experience. Keep doing you. Cheers. Edit: The flow and music of the video kick ass too.

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This is really interesting. Can't wait to see if enough work can get them to apply well in a competitive setting.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

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Great stuff. I wonder if any of these modified Aikido techniques will ever be widely used in no gi bjj? There's a strong possibility they might given that some of the world's top coaches and competitors seem to be developing the stand up/ takedown game at present.

This is so super interesting. Good wristlocks in principle, but without stress testing, impossible to pull off in practice. Also, I like the point raised about getting such tunnel vision on one technique that you get taken advantage of in other areas.

I think the cool thing is that you did make some of these functional which shows these things worked at some point in history

Back when I was a blue belt in BJJ I rolled with a Aikido blackbelt. Pretty much same things happened...it was cool to have some open minded to try some new stuff with. This was a solid video I’d like to see a part two or maybe a series on this honestly.

very interesting stuff, well done Rokas!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Celestial Ode!

Pressure testing is what makes good technique in anything not just martial arts. This was a really cool video I'm mot an Aikido practioner but I really enjoyed it.

O mestre de Aikido mais honesto que eu já vi. Um exemplo! Ótimos vídeos!

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Obrigada 🙏

Great job Roka

Completely off topic but you're looking pretty ripped these days Rokas 💪🏻💪🏻 keep up the great work bro 👍🏻

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😁

Love seeing someone figuring out a way to make traditional martial arts work, rather than just dismiss it as useless

Good video. At this point, you will end up doing a new version of the ancient jujutsu and how those techniques may have been used in the past :)

The way your bjj coach executed the aikido techniques is how I’ve been taught in Aikido.

Excellent lesson, thanks

@MartialArtsJourney

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Peter

The fact the BJJ coach can immediately improve an Aikido blackbelts technique is pretty interesting. Thanks for vid.

Sir it's good you're exploring more. I like how you explore each technique. Would it be beneficial to explore the strength and weakness of each technique? The possibilities and when to use them. God bless, keep exploring :)

cool! btw, have you tried applying these aikido wristlocks as submissions on the ground? for example, sankyo from a kimura, or nikyo from an americana.

Nice. This video shows 2 things that were really similar with my experience looking at my Japanese JuJutsu with BJJ practitioners. The first, it seems like every BJJ person I have asked, has been completely willing to try it with me and to add input. The second is that in BJJ there seems to be a focus on control of the body, which allows the techniques like wristlocks to work. Where as most of the JJJ guys attempted control via the techniques. It's a subtle difference that makes a big difference.

Really great video

Awesome ! Did Aikido in 2012. Went through a similar experience like you. Learning bjj now :)

Greetings from Texas, I love your country and the rest of the Baltics! Great video!

Rokas. Have you considered taking combat wrestling classes lately? With their vastly superior takedowns, positioning and pure tough mentality a wrestler with some bjj experience can give hell to most BJJ black belts.

@MartialArtsJourney

3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to! Hopefully I'll have a chance one day

Form should always follow function!! *HECK YEAH*

Awesome video. I always wondered about aikido practical applications and who better to troubleshoot and fine tune it than a bjj blackbelt. Also helps with the running joke/ meme in bjj community regarding wrist locks since they seem quite common in aikido