The Visaton's sounded the best overall . The AER'S had better treble but a muddy midrange . Visaton midrange was better , use the Visaton for the win!

I pick up on a question I have heard, when they say "describe it one word" & I do that with hearing New Audio Equipment. When you played the AER the word for me that came is "EXACTING" & a earned depiction, the listening was as you suggested a surprise, & adds up as one of my favorite vids from you OCD. I must say though I gained a great deal of my found appreciation for this Vid by my 2 New Speaker acquisitions. I am currently listening to a EV ZLX 12" Passive speaker in right channel & a 15" Martin Audio (Blackline X15) in left channel & the Base you played showed off the Martin as no better Base Test might of. I have been imagining my own Super Tweeter in my head, my thought is, same as Stereo Receivers & PreAmps & Mixers! offer a Sub Woofer signal output. I would like to be the Catalysis for a New Channel output for a ((SUPER TWEETER)) some big ole Pizo's or a High Frequency Actuator on Foam Board,, my idea mind drew up a High Frequency Spinning Copper Tube with certain holes to resonate like a wind instrument creating ultra high pitches & akin to the Hammond B3 Leslie Speaker (spinning Horn on top)

The AER are amazing. Are you planning to try AGD with AER? Would be interesting to hear this combo.

The last most expensive driver is more gentle in the breathy region, and is the clear more balanced winner to me. Excellent demo Mikey!

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they are very good for sure... Thanks Paul !

Sounded great with my GLL Imagio speakers.

The AER driver has such an amazing and detailed sweetness to it. Great job putting those speakers together.

@NickP333

3 жыл бұрын

Were those AERs taken from a Pure Audio Project spkr? Why do I have a feeling you have/had a pair just kinda sitting around ala Mikey fashion. lol

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more! Thanks !

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

No , my PAP speakers had Voxativ, very close tho... These I bought from Tony our Tracking Engineer. He also makes speakers.

@NickP333

3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to try and make my own kinda OB speakers similar to those new PAP Duet 15 Preludes but with the 18” woofers outta my old KLH’s. I was checking around Parts Express for a full range driver to go with it just like Mikey! Hope you’re doin well, brother. ✌️🎶🔊

Visaton with Supertweeter -that’s the combo! More “meat on the bone” and density than the AER.

You are really taking me places... these are winners ! Are you using those servo subs as well ? I have heard that there is something to be said for narrow baffles to eliminate surface reflections. DR at GR seems to have some good research on that. Keep surprising me. Its getting exciting !

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Only using the single 21 inch driver per side.. its pretty good... very coherent ..

I know you indicated you would love to get your hands on a pair of Cube Audio Nenuphar drivers, but I wonder what they may sound like in an Open Baffle. All of their speakers are in an enclosure.

I KNEW IT! I'm so glad to finally hear a professional say it, "THE DAC IS EVERYTHING! THE SOURCE ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT!!"

Wow, those AER speakers were ridiculous!

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

for real ..

Hi Mikey to my ear the Visaton full range driver with the super tweeter sounds good. How does this compare against the Pure Audio Project Speakers you used to have?

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Its been too long but I get another pair tomorrow, I'll make a vid..

Try the Lii Audio drivers. I have the 15 inch fullrange. Has been eye-opening. Would it be better to switch speakers sides, so the FR is inboard...farther from walls?

@alexedil6854

3 жыл бұрын

But it doesn't have LF bass and HF in the OB, Lii Audio F15 needs a tweeter and a subwoofer. What's the point?

With the AER the midrange sound so real with vocals.

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Big time !

Which is the first speaker used on Mahler ? Is there a network before the full range ? Thanks Paul

Mikey thats the best Bass that I have heard in your rig....at least that has been recorded on a phone and put on you tube. In person may be different but on your channel its the best that I have heard. What is the cross over points??

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its got to be the phone , but these make some incredible bass and its all on one driver so very coherent.. 160 HZ second order..

Hey Mikey,you were one busy boy there. I'm sure you burned off some calories there just to bless the group. I appreciate all your hard work.😊 That AER sounds sweet. It better at that price.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

yep, I agree. they better... and they are ... Thanks for subscribing and watching !

Been building diy Pass gear lately and am totally hooked. They call him "Papa P" for a reason I guess-

@dilbyjones

3 жыл бұрын

commentremovalcrew pass is what’s up

Another fascinating and informative demo. Substantial difference even listening to KZread with Pro headphones. The AER is excellent. I have heard them in person on their big baffles playing single driver no crossover on a SET amp and it was the best at the show by a long shot. I felt the AES really shows its stuff on the Mahler cut. The Visitaton with the supertweeter was quite good as well.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, glad you got something from it . maybe I should just try the single AER on a giant slab and see how she does...

So Gentelmen for open Baffel what would u recommend for 2 way Tang band 1808 or Visaton

What is the model of the Visaton driver ?? Thanks

The transparency of the Visaton W Supertweet is so good. The ST a little less hot would be buttery.

@OCDHIFiGuy

Жыл бұрын

Yes....

Is the impedance the same for all these drivers? Sensitivity? Might account for some of the differences you hear.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

dont think you need to match impedances as long as you have gain control and overall together they dont make a weird number. But I do the math , yes..;.

What's the type of that 21" Dayton driver?

Clean ❤

@OCDHIFiGuy

10 ай бұрын

Yes! Thx !

This is the movie theater eq response zones. I've never seen it in a home before.

Have u try Cube driver they alks very amazing .. F10 neo or F8 neo only issue is more expensive

@OCDHIFiGuy

Жыл бұрын

They are great, but yes, very expensive.

Does that active crossover have any feedback why didn't you put the baffle all the way to the floor would have been better. The cube audio single Drive is much better actually Nelson pass as a couple in his studio as references

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I talk to Nels' regularly.. He will be on my channel in Spring .. I kept the baffle square because that's the shape I wanted for the design. I can easily attach an extension to listen..

@johnsweda2999

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy yes even a bit of cardboard at the bottom to see how it sounds

Are there plans to build this speaker? Why, such a large woofer? Wouldn't a smaller driver be more accurate?

@dnewma04

2 жыл бұрын

Probably not, a smaller driver would require far more excursion for the same output and long excursion tends to be a killer when it comes to distortion.

Ever listened to the Lowther PM4A? Curious as to your thoughts with that versus the AER.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

I have not bought Lowthers as Ive heard from several people one of them a speaker builder that Lowther is not that great. AER and Voxativ its unanimous that they are among the top level drivers. Ive never heard anyone even indifferent about Voxativ or AER

@Rogue30

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy I've heard that the whizzer's on the Lowthers can be brutal, too, but with a supertweet one can build a first order crossover and the midrange is left intact. I've only heard superlatives in the description of the Lowthers' midrange. I greatly appreciate your taking the time to respond. Love this hobby and enjoy your channel. Cheers.

@barchetype6430

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy There's $100 per pair drivers that can put Lowthers to shame (the 6.5inch DIATONE P610 clones by Davidlouis). The AERs are killer, but if I may comment, the money lies with a particular german guy of the name Oleg Rullit and his Super Aero speakers. The Lowthers were originally designed to be front-horn loaded. Which may explain the strange frequency response.

Respectfully, all I heard for this video was some pretty decent sound and all I've read in the comments is gobs and gobs of bias run wild, respectfully of course. Perhaps maybe indulgence with your editing skills and do quick cuts between all three drivers that you just recorded per each song, perhaps maybe pretty please 🤘🧐 All the same, excellent content. Cheers, -Robert.

@OCDHIFiGuy

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, its an old video...

Hey Mikey maybe you should have a look at the cube audio drivers, they suppose to be very good.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Nenuphar looks interesting , Ive had my eye on it for over a year ... High buck tho and Im not sure I want a single driver speaker or not, I must explore a little more before I plunk down a grip for a technology everyone says is the best but that Im not totally experienced with. I need to be convinced I want it before spending like that. Tomorrow I'll have a set of Pure Audio Project Trio 15 with horn, so we will see how they do.. I traded them for a DAC.

I have the AER 3, yes you get what you pay for, they are amazing. They take about 500-800 hours to burn in.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

wow, not burned in yet then...

@noone-cf2zo

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, my AER 3 are fantastic but they did take a long time to burn in.

@noone-cf2zo

2 жыл бұрын

@paul best wow, it amazes me how some folks like you can be so dead wrong

@dnewma04

2 жыл бұрын

@paul best you can accomplish 99% of the break-in that usage creates by gently pressing the cone in a few times.

I want you to teach DIY again. There are so many things I don't know yet, they are useful and make me know new things. I love you for the courage to offer a confidential product that I cannot afford. I'm really thankful for educating me. I made the power supply you teach the sound very good, so I want you to do some other stuff. Thank you, I love you channel.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

I am about to do a DIY server so keep watching .. !

Amazing

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Visaton wit supertweet all day long! 🔊🔊🎼🎶

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

I like the AER better... But the Visaton and super T was killer

@c-teamtrading9690

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100% Visatons with super tweeter for the win

@dnewma04

2 жыл бұрын

@@c-teamtrading9690 Agreed. For me, it was the clear winner. I kept going back to in the video and tonally, it's the closest thing to "real" in the bunch.

Brilliant and funny

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man !

You indicated you were going to show people how to make their own DAC. I can't find that video.

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

That was server not DAC

The 8" does not need a large baffle. Try a 2" edge/waveguide around the 8". It is funny, the Visaton with the supertweeters sounds better to me on youtube. Listeing with Sony WH-1000XM4 in 1080p.

@c-teamtrading9690

2 жыл бұрын

agreed

Hey Mikey, Ever had your ears tested or even listened to one of those apps ? Supertweeters ??????? Once past 30 yrs old, 99% of people cannot hear above maybe 17000hz. I'm 50 and can't hear above 14000hz and if you've ever been to live gigs regularly, your hearing is likely similar.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, for sure my ears are like any old mans. Does not mean I cant hear Supertweeters tho, on the contrary, they support the frequencies I can hear and those become more clear

@englishsteve1465

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy- That's the theory at least, I don't think I'll be investing in any. I've become obsessed with the "Lotus/Colin Chapman" method, as it relates to hifi, simplify and lose weight. I'm sure you new that being a car guy, I'm getting a bit old for the sports bikes I love so it's cars and hifi now. - Good luck Mikey, I'll be watching.

That’s the most expensive way of controlling a woofer I’ve ever seen, it’s so screwy, i love it

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

What ? you mean the amps ?

what visaton was this ? and what is SUper T ? - can you post models of drivers and parameters of woodwork - thanks

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

The woodwork is the most simple , one 30 inch square with 2 holes cut out . Super tweeter is Townshend Visaton B200

@user-im3ry3it7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy i cant find townshend visaton b200

@dnewma04

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-im3ry3it7e the super tweeter is a Townshend, the Visaton 8" driver is the B200.

Try SLOB with 12 x 15" GPA 515C on each side. Cheap experiment. :P Might be worthwhile though. It still needs some EQ in the bottom end, but you can use high efficiency low QTS drivers with more details than that high QTS Dayton woofers that lack that detail.

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

This dayton is not high qts... 12 15 inch drivers ? are you nuts ?

Favorite by a long shot was the visaton with the supertweeter. The AERs would drive me out of the room faster than a Lowther. Yikes.

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Not here... the AER took the cake by a good margin... Shows you have to be here for the true experience...

@dnewma04

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I know some people who would definitely prefer the sound of the AERs or similar "lively" drivers like Voxativs, Lowthers, etc. I understand the preference for the presence the frequency response adds to the music, but it would keep me from wanting to listen to music for anything but very short term listening. It speaks to the importance of subjectivism in your own systems. I'm happy you like them, I've found my own "grail" with Unity Horns and i'm sure some people don't like them, as well.

Will you make time for spooky Halloween music pretty please :)

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Sure , why not ?

with super tweeters was the beez-neez for me ! decadence

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Ya mon !

indeed , this is a man i trust . Whatever he says i can hear even on my headphones over you tube .Maybe its me but the mids on that expensive speaker arent all that good , better on a cheap one from the beginning . I might be wrong here its hard to say

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

The mids on the AER are nothing short of stunning. Im sorry if you were not able to hear that.

@dedskin1

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy you know if you roll off highs , like its done in some setups , subjective experience is not one of rolled of highs but wormer mid's, boosted , even tho mids are the same . I think that is what i am experiencing while listening to these . With highs being crisper and louder that subjectively sounds like a bit diminished mids range . Obviously the driver is better as you say mids as well . But it translates a bit differently over you tube recording .

Lowther next to compare

Baffle step crossover needed

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

lol, Ive got it .. I dont miss things that obvious .. First Watt B5

@supercompooper

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy love your channel

Like the OTARI RtR...

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man !

I had AER-MD2s in Oris horns way back when. Very easy to fall in love with. Very good but all full range drivers have the same problem that they will get muddy or congested at some point. I went to Avantgarde Duos - well not heaven there either :D Nowadays I have BMS 4592nd in Orphean horns. What ever you have you have to accept the fact there is not a perfect speaker. So in the end I would love to have AER's again but the prices have gone though the roof these days. For the money BMS drivers are the killers. On the other hand full range lovers won't find heaven in compression drivers I think.

@OCDHIFiGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, prices are sad.... Ive got feastrex coming ....

@nicktube3904

9 ай бұрын

Im thinking to go for Oris with AER BD3 or Orphean. I only had a demo with the BMS CD which I like. But I like some more midbass. I’m told CD will give more detail, but what are the pros of Fullranger? (My guess is that fullrangers are more smooth, natural and more texture?)

@a-j6798

9 ай бұрын

@@nicktube3904 I would say full range drivers sound more alive and open with more air. With BMS drivers you really have to work with the bass section to get it in par with the horns. Pretty easy to get it sound decent but to optimize it...that is hard. I have BD-Design's Sigma as bass section with six 12" inch woofers in open baffle per speaker. So 12 bass drivers in total.

@nicktube3904

9 ай бұрын

@@a-j6798 Interesting! Could I ask you some questions about CD and FR in a horn design? If so via which platform do you prefer?

DUDE throw that copy of Renegade the hell out. The AER tweeters are for sure the winner

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

It was because it is harsh that I used it , but for real by the end of the demo I was cringing at it .

5:59 13:17 24:02

What’s the height of your room

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

6 foot high front wall, 9 foot high rear wall.

Throw some "Undergang" on those.. That would be sweet.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Is it Metal ?

@TheBodhisattvaWisdom

3 жыл бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy Yes, death-

The Mids were better in the first one

Put those tangbands in a voight horn and you cant go wrong... Mine TB w8-1808 sitts in a quarter wave pipe and plays 30hz easy

@c-teamtrading9690

2 жыл бұрын

Will never touch the Visatons !

@anandshah71

2 жыл бұрын

@@c-teamtrading9690 why please give points cause I am in market to buy FR drivers

sweet shangri-la wash over me...

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Killer Knopfler album...

18:37 vs 26:39 hmmm. Which one.... Yep 26:40....No wait... fuck I don't know.

Damn that first song hurt my ears

@OCDHIFiGuy

5 ай бұрын

Lol. Sorry dear !!

@sarahX..

5 ай бұрын

@@OCDHIFiGuy 😁

put a maggie back, any maggie please.

@OCDHIFiGuy

3 жыл бұрын

I will be disavowing the Maggie family after some online shade and major disrespect from Eric. I have sold so many of their speakers for the dealers They would not let me resell since there's a local dealer (who shoves the maggies in back and puts others out front ) and Eric got his panties in a twist with my excellent fuse bypass kit so decided to tell people on the forum to "watch out for me" lol like I was some seedy hustler Magnepan is a great speaker when you modify them, they suck in stock form to my ears , and the company is very strange indeed. so I will find something better or make it ...