I, personally, don’t see Adyr as an evil entity. He’s just what he says; a shepherd that meant well, but couldn’t account for everything. He wanted to protect humanity, defend it from its own nature as well as outside threats, but what was his reward for such fatherly concern? Pain. Nothing but pain, and a legacy as a tyrant that only wanted power over all that lived, when the truth was that he couldn’t have gave _any less_ of a shit about his primacy, only that his children were safe. He tells us all this himself right after we begin the fight with him: he knows he’s lost, he knows he’s about to suffer the final death, and so what he’s saying isn’t a desperate lie woven under duress. It’s the truth, as _he_ sees it. He knows he’s beaten, so why lie? Why try to mislead when the truth is so much easier to express, and furthermore, appropriate? Simple: he’s not. He was betrayed by the very children he loved, beaten into submission and tortured for centuries for his concern for their well being. And the Rhogar? They weren’t even a constant during his rule; they were made _after_ the rebellion began, as a shield for his followers who were being cut down without restraint or hesitation. Those “demons” everyone fears weren’t made to oppress, but to _protect,_ which should tell you everything you need to know about them and their father. In short; humanity’s fate is its _own damned fault._ They betrayed their maker, now they’re just getting what they deserve for it

@Eternal_Placidity

8 күн бұрын

Really good summary

@glow4509

5 күн бұрын

You just put into words exactly what I was thinking after reaching the end of the game and listening to Adyr's speech during the final fight. Also, if I put myself in Adyr's shoes and I was the one attacked, imprisoned and torchered by my creations, there would be no end to the hell fire that I rain down on them.

the lore of this game is great, i really hope we get more content in a new game or dlc.

Adyr is misunderstood even when you think you finally get him. He is not "evil" he is humanitys shephard, he only made Rhogar to combat a dangerous sect trying to overthrow him. His speech while fighting him seems sincere, especially since he says them when you've won. No need to lie. He knew he was done for.

Adyr created the Rhogar and realm to combat his enemies. And "the lightreaper" is an experiment where he mixed power from the putrid mother to make it able to find the lampbearer. He never trusted lightreaper. That says a lot. Where we see him is not the Rhogar realm, it is his prison.

I am one of the relative few that genuinely liked the original game and I am glad the setting is getting some fresh love. I just wish we had a world closer to the first game where there is a war being fought against the rhogarr and that you can encounter some of the battles.

Finally got to the video - huge thanks! Was it the last one for lotf? Also, probably it was already mentioned, but fun fact that Adyr's ending is the only one, where lampbearer stays alive. Love this version where Adyr is not just a bad guy.

Honey, cancel the dinner reservations. He posted again

In the end, Adyr wanted only one thing, to come back home. Is it so wrong?

@Copperscaled

Ай бұрын

when you realise how callous and treacherous Orius can be, and how the Putrid Mother is a mindless entity that wants to consume all. couple that with the way Adyr treats humanity, and his survival of the strong mentality... yeah... 3 poisons for you to pick from, none of them good for anyone. the least "bad" ending is where Orius smites all the non-believers and keeps the rest of humanity in a type of cult for the rest of their lives.

@user-wm1wp9ms2u

29 күн бұрын

The inferno ending is the only ending where you live. Orius smites you in the radiance ending because he no longer needs you or your heretical umbral lamp. He doesn't reward you for your service. He just annihilates you because you are a loose end. Adyr recognizes and respects your efforts to free him from his prison. As a result, he rewards you for your service by making you a rhogar lord.

@TheCorrodedMan

28 күн бұрын

@@user-wm1wp9ms2uAnd as a Rhpgar Lord, we can attempt to lessen the rage of Adyr by reminding him of his own words

@JohnDoe-ligma

2 күн бұрын

​@@Copperscaled we can't even be sure if orius is real.

@janvandenhooren9397

Күн бұрын

@@JohnDoe-ligmahe kills you and most humans in the radiant ending. He is real for sure. He just doesn’t show himself because we are not worthy enough for his holy presence (according to himself ).

This game has some golden lore! I wonder if Adyr ending is actually canon because it’s the only decent one tbh! I think he’s highly misunderstood!

Orius, adyr, the putrid mother are all bad in their own ways, so my logic is that since adyr is willing to reward you and still seems to love humanity in his own way, hes the best choice. The mother will consume and orius will smite, while being silent. Adyr is cruel but is he more cruel then that? I think that because they all are terrible adyr ends up being the best choice.

@Connordaboss45

3 ай бұрын

Those who were smited deserved it. Your character saw what the lamp did to others. Umbral corruption is awful and while he still drew breath there was always a chance he could fall and release the putrid mother. Orius is the God of self sacrifice. Only fitting his champion would do the same

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@Connordaboss45 Yeah, it's not like Orius could offer the lampbearer the choice to part with the lamp before smiting them. The lampbearer was manipulated, used and later discarded; it's as simple as that. There's a difference between self-sacrifice to stop the threat under the banner of your god and getting unexpectedly killed by your god after you stop the threat.

@Connordaboss45

3 ай бұрын

@@Sometuy11A the lamp corrupts all who touch it. Even those who get rid of it.

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@Connordaboss45 Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'corrupt' in this case?

@Connordaboss45

3 ай бұрын

@@Sometuy11A Every single bearer of the lamp has later down the line gone insane or homicidal. Once you connect with the putrid mother you don't unconnect. There's even a soul memory of a guy in the mines who everytime he closes his eyes he see the putrid mother. You don't gaze at cthulu and come back.

Excellent lore videos brother.I love this game and you really bring the world together for me.Thank you.

@TheLorebrarians

3 ай бұрын

Love to hear it, so glad you enjoyed

38:08 "For even Adyr's roaring flames are snuffed by the chill of umbral." Powerful and genius wordcraft. With that, it’s Probably worth covering Umbral next, the mastermind in the background who played mortals and gods like fiddles.

Sorry for all the comments, i'm just a huge fan. The enemy with the spiked bodis are actually created by the order. Apostles come seeking to serve the order, and this is their reward. No wonder they break.

I find it really, genuinely hilarious how the game just *assumes* you're an Orien worshipper while giving "literally a worshiper of the other guy" as an option. It makes for a pretty awkward first meeting with.. Well honestly with almost everyone in the early game, because an uncomfortably high amount of them conversations boil down to, "hey obvious cultist dressed in ritual cloak and mask, help us imprison your god," or "hey, obvious cultist dressed in ritual cloak and mask, I'll bet you ate the clerics' lies hook, line, and sinker!"

What story telling. A++

Great video!

well done ! I adore your videos

@TheLorebrarians

3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed!

Hell yeah more lords of the fallen lore :D

Incredible video 👍👍

I’ve been so excited for this! Long have I awaited Adyr’s embrace. Thanks Erek. The second account in 10:36 is probably the accurate one, corroborated by the explosive snare and general Engstrom’s armor item descriptions. Doubt they were beautiful and nice creatures to the rebellion though lol. There is something interesting about the similarities between the symbols of the first of the beasts and Adyr's symbols. The catalyst displayed at 28:56 looks a lot like the symbol on the shield of the first of the beasts, and the symbol on the ring of the first beast looks very similar to Adyr's symbol. It makes sense that there would be a connection; with death and umbral being associated with frost and cold, life would be associated with fire and warmth. It kind of reminds me of the witch Izalith, when, in trying to create a second flame, her Lord Soul of Life was twisted into the flame of chaos and created demons. Edit: Just got to the part where my research is mentioned and I’m really flattered by the recognition, thank you. Always happy to help where I can!

@TheLorebrarians

3 ай бұрын

Happy you enjoyed and gotta give credit where it's due. You've a keen eye for the lore details!

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@TheLorebrarians The fact I'm getting such a compliment from my favorite lore channel makes it a thousand times better, thank you.

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@TheLorebrarians As far as what is meant by his title of bereft exile, I think you are correct that it is both a loss of his followers and of his home. "The world in which you exist is my world, my home, and yet mankind-my own creation-exiled me from it. You have no idea what it is to suffer a monstrous betrayal or to endure the ages of torment that follow!" I theorize that the human-like creatures in his boss area are his attempt at recreating humans. We know he is not at all satisfied by the inherent obedience and love the Rhogar have for him, so it makes sense that he'd try and create beings that resemble his original creation. It kind of reminds me of Hepheastus in God of War 3, who spends his time in a fiery pit of Hades trying to recreate his daughter and failing over and over.

Whose truth do you believe, Adyr's or the Judge's?

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

Adyr was probably not the vile tyrant he's painted to be, I suspect; however, it was his inaction that led to the rebellion. Items related to Iselle seem to imply that Adyr wasn't really involved in the everyday lives of humans and just protected them from enemies of humans like the Grouk empire, which fits with his statement about being mankind's guardian (note how he doesn’t try to take credit for the creation of any other race). He's extremely vindictive and cruel by the time of his second return, though. I like to think his exile and torment turned him into exactly what his detractors declared him to be. His trust forever broken as evidenced by his intention to keep the Rhogar around as enforcers. I'd still go with Adyr over Orius, though. The former would persecute me for my beliefs, while the latter would persecute me for both my beliefs and for what I am. Touched by something Orius loathes at no fault of your own? Oblivion is what you get while you can feign loyalty to Adyr.

@wizardwolf1020

3 ай бұрын

I think it’s a mix of both as religion will always reach a point of grey reality. Judge Cleric became disillusioned over how she had to act when under Adyrs rule yet at the same time, the same occurred with the Hallowed Sentinels over time with Adyrs Rune pushing the corruption along.

@terranorth

3 ай бұрын

One is a dumbass who is followed by demonic pure evil creatures, the other is an effective manipulative tyrant that oppresses many but still keeps some order. I’ll go with Orius, at least some decent people can follow him, like Pieta and the flag guy.

@ilnessuno

3 ай бұрын

I think Adyr just wants to save us, so i stay on his side.

@WoodenChurch_041

2 ай бұрын

Adyr I side with, i mean im sure the judges and judge cleric (was sane once) had their reasons but it feels like they didn't really do much good or advanced progress as they like to think. Adyr is really unknown card but I've a feeling it'll be very good for us (especially if you believed in him already) and definitely not for the rebels.

If Adyr wants to satisfy his need of controling Through humans as they say.. He could have made Roghar from the start!! It doesn't make sense! I don't know he is good or something But im sure he is not that bad!

6:24 from my understanding: the three judges are Judge Warrior, Cleric, and Rogue (not Assassin)

I need a lord of mystery so bad. 🙏

Would you mind covering PoE lore? Or Dark Souls lore? The way you narrate I feel would be perfect for those stories!

@TheLorebrarians

3 ай бұрын

I love the Dark Souls/FromSoft games. I feel like there are already so many great lore channels that it'd be difficult to break into the niche, but who knows? Maybe I'll have a foray into it and see how it goes. Appreciate it!

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@TheLorebrarians It's probably a good idea to jump on the FromSoft Lore train, with the coming of the Elden Ring DLC. Your narration would be just the best, I feel your storytelling is just unique. Some videos on Blasphemous and fear and hunger in the future would be awesome; of course, if you do enjoy them, that is. And let's hope for a LOTF sequel, because with how well the studio handled the lore and worldbuilding of their first game, I'm sure the continuation of this epic will be on a whole new level entirely (hopefully no rushed game next time though so it can really shine).

So sad that the final boss is just a 1000 year therapy session.

@wizardwolf1020

3 ай бұрын

That’s why I think the Umbral ending is most likely the true ending. The developers said there wouldn’t be any sequels so this is likely implying that the ending with an actual final boss that also ends in the end of the world, is probably the canon ending of the game

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@wizardwolf1020Did they actually confirm this will be the final installment of LOTF? That would be such a waste if true.

@wizardwolf1020

3 ай бұрын

@@Sometuy11A I know but maybe someone can convince the dev team to continue the world in different types of game rather than being souls-like or just try to get them to continue it in general. Hell, I’d be fine with a show or book series if it means getting more lore and story

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@wizardwolf1020They have such a gem here and I hope they don’t abandon it. I’ll accept any format as long as I get more of its lore.

@dylanc634

3 ай бұрын

@@Sometuy11Atime to develop lords of the fallen 2! I’m right with you the lore of this game is very good and has kept me from going insane as I await elden ring dlc

People don't rise and fight armies of 11ft fall flame demons unless there's a reason to. I think Adyr is too arrogant and selfish to understand how his children felt, and I think that divide only grew bigger until it exploded into the rebellion.

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

I think perseverance against autocrats will mostly be down to how much of a chance the resistance thinks they have rather than how bad things are necessarily. The rebellion, with the aid of judges, overwhelmed Adyr's human army; the Rhogars he then created to bolster his worshippers were ineffectual against the judges, and the trio dispatched the lords relatively easily (the judge warrior beat one to death with his bare hands). The Rhogar might be very scary-looking and brutal, but with such streaks of victory behind them, it's clear why they kept fighting. You don't abandon a war when you're winning especially when giving up means certain death. Meanwhile, in most myths and religions, gods have no problem visiting plagues upon lands, causing famines, ordering a land to be razed of any living being on it, and flooding the entire planet, yet in most of these stories, the mortals under their heels never rise up, mostly because they lack a way to overthrow their divine despot. You are correct, though. Adyr thinks his rule was absolutely perfect and for his children's own good, something a lot of them clearly don't share so when they had the opportunity to change it they did.

@hatefulgaming1800

3 ай бұрын

@@Sometuy11AI mean if the Judges and the rebellion were able to destroy most of Adyr’s human army than there’s clear some issue with his rule. If Adyr was this noble guardian of humanity than he should’ve been easily able to gain millions for an army.

@Sometuy11A

3 ай бұрын

@@hatefulgaming1800 Not really surprising considering the rebellion had three demi gods that were able to slaughter even the Rhogar lords and armies of regular Rhogar; they were the decisive factor in the conflict, not the number of humans on either side, quality vs quantity. And Adyr likely just protected humans from external threats; items tied to Iselle clearly indicate he didn't really help many of his children live what they would consider prosperous lives. Edit: Some of the text the lorebrarians quotes even suggest that the rebellion entirely fled and hid from the Rhogar lords, but the judges stayed and fought. The judges > Rhogar lords > rebellion. Adyr's human army could have had far superior numbers, and they would have still been crushed, if the Rhogar couldn't do it, a much more massive human army certainly wouldn't change the course of the war.

Papa Adyr did nothing wrong

Keep in mind history is written by the victor. ;)

This game makes me question whose right and whose wrong. Who can say if the Judge Cleric and his flock are pure, when they sacrifice and kill. I think no power is good or right in this game, but it depends on your own moral compass.

*moistens*

Rhogar is not a good thing.