Great video! The idea of Gohan has always been stronger than the character; maybe one day he'll realize that potential.

@SirMcFrosty

3 жыл бұрын

Yooo, you in the video. Love your vids.

@user-gk6nt5gi5n

3 жыл бұрын

Yhhhhh no character will ever get their shine, Vegeta won't even get a win.

@CflowProd

3 жыл бұрын

You getting mentioned in a Totally Not Mark video is something I would have never seen coming! As a subscriber to the both of you, this is extremely cool. I'd be down for a discussion video between the two of you regarding Gohan and others.

@spiderbhyd3

3 жыл бұрын

HAH bet

@spicyboi544

3 жыл бұрын

It’s almost like grape happened to make a video on him hmmmmm ;)

maybe when dragon ball superity duper comes out in 2046, we can get a grandpa gohan that is the “complete character”

@ars7374

3 жыл бұрын

Fancy seeing you here

@jantheking7028

3 жыл бұрын

I want to see Adult Gohan meet grandpa gohan.

@benyoutube5434

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon ball super gt

@goldinthefurnace

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@minespatch

3 жыл бұрын

@@jantheking7028 In heaven? O_O

The old Gohan ain't never coming back for one simple reason: they're never going to let Goku pass the torch.

@sneekpeek639

3 жыл бұрын

He doesn't even have to do that, let gohan be a side character but with importance,like when they were at babidi's hideout gohan ,vegata and goku that trio was perfect.

@SonnyFRST

3 жыл бұрын

@@sneekpeek639 If you ask me, that would've been way better than anything Super did or could've done. Better to end Goku's protag role on a high note than drag it out further and get a repeat of the Buu Saga.

@sneekpeek639

3 жыл бұрын

@@SonnyFRST i just don't think gohan does not have that drive to be the strongest,goku had that from his childhood.i can't see goku fall that down that's just me.

@SonnyFRST

3 жыл бұрын

@@sneekpeek639 You say it like that's our problem. A character needs hurdles to overcome, and Gohan got that in spades. They could've totally made him work as the protag in the Buu Saga, but what little time he was given as the focus was wasted on BS teenage drama.

@YophiSmith

3 жыл бұрын

Broku72 has a great What If story about it Future Gohan went back in time instead of Future Trunks. In it, Goku enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Future Gohan instead and this caused present Gohan to WANT to be the strongest and he trained with Piccolo instead, but he didn’t want to be a scholar anymore, but Earth’s protector like his future counterpart, and far surpassed Goku by the Buu saga. It’s a great way to show Goku passing the torch.

Gohan: Wow, I wonder what's next for me? Piccolo: ...You peaked. Gohan: What? Piccolo: You peaked.

@alitafullarmor5957

3 жыл бұрын

I guess Mystic Gohan never existed huh? Oh wait...

@bernardosales1044

3 жыл бұрын

@@alitafullarmor5957 He did, then did nothing and was almost immediately surpassed by SSJ3 Goku/ Vegito

@alitafullarmor5957

3 жыл бұрын

@@bernardosales1044 Sure, but doesn't change the fact that he didn't peak at the Cell Games. Gohan peaked when he went Mystic. Also Mystic Gohan is actually stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

@sam-cq2fy

3 жыл бұрын

@@alitafullarmor5957 peaked in character. not power.

@oEXTRA

3 жыл бұрын

He only peaked in character because Akira didn't want to put him on the path he's suppose to be on, the path to surpass his father (as children are meant to do). He actually went out of his way to sabotage his path.

Despite all the missed potential for our boy I’m glad Gohan at least went for the Krillen route for some time -Stop fighting -Get a hot wife -Raise a family -Have a decent job -be happy with where you are Sounds pretty good to me

@CorazonLaw1

3 жыл бұрын

In a normal world that'd be amazing

@naffo1314

3 жыл бұрын

Basically the perfect life for ma boi

@CornaOnTheCob

3 жыл бұрын

And that's something gohan "fans" will never truly appreciate about his character. They're so lukewarm about him.

@geimo

3 жыл бұрын

yeah is horrible how people expect to see their favorite character being cool and fight in a fight based anime/manga (?

@Gigas0101

3 жыл бұрын

@@geimo accept your place alongside us Yamcha, Krillin, Piccolo and Tien fans where you belong.

They missed so many opportunities to make a perfect story. A son who had to live up to the greatness of his father was such a missed and relatable story.

@SomeRandomJackAss

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but A Hero's Legacy kind of tapped that potential.

@Furcapper

3 жыл бұрын

This.

@surume6627

3 жыл бұрын

It’s the goku show, unfortunately the son can never fill the fathers shoes

@SomeRandomJackAss

3 жыл бұрын

@@surume6627 Especially when the father is still wearing them.

@humanman9920

3 жыл бұрын

@@SomeRandomJackAss he can actually , but the show doesn't want him to , that's the bad part , db has so much potential , imo , it can still stand up to comparison in some great shonen anime of today . can this be a possibility that they are doing it like this because of toxic fans? i mean , i've heard that people didn't like it that toriyama was planning to make gohan the main protagonist from buu saga , is it that? toxic goku fans? whatever the reason , imo , goku just looks fake when almost every other character is held back to an extent unrealistically to make plots. hehe but who knows , maybe the next season will improve these things

Great video! Love all of these! Gohan was my favourite growing up and it really does kill me they don't use him to his full potential :(

@jantheking7028

3 жыл бұрын

Vegeta's better than Gohan. Heck, even trunks better. Gohan has always been overated.

@human3213

3 жыл бұрын

Janthe king Vegeta is crap So is overrated poop trunks

@smoshcool12

3 жыл бұрын

@@human3213 Gohan fanboy in denial.

@FriezaSucks

3 жыл бұрын

@@jantheking7028 Gohan literally killed Cell tho. Gohan is so under utilized, it's actually irritating. Also, this comment wasn't about a comparison, both Vegeta and Gohan are great.

@anselravenhart4753

3 жыл бұрын

Whoa. Just got finished watching one of your videos. This is a crossover I didn't expect. Also, Manga Gohan does get a little more love!

My favorite Gohan moment in Super was watching him interact with future Trunks. It was melancholic to see Trunks seeing an adult Gohan who isn't living in a post-apocalyptic time.

Gohan got both the best and worst moments as a character. His fanbase is literally the only reason why Toriyama didn't completely ditch him to yamcha level

@MrLachapell

3 жыл бұрын

I just don't understand why he built him up for 2 arcs, then having him shine on the 3rd and 4rd and then just ditch him

@Puerco-Potter

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrLachapell Toriyama wanted to end the series at freezer, they (jump-money) made him keep going, then he said, okay, Goku is an adult what if Gohan is the the new main character (remember the start of the buu saga?), and fans didn't like that so he just toss him aside, and argued he recognized Dragon Ball was the story of goku's life and everyone else should be secondary... Toriyama just never had that much of an artistic liberty as many seem to think. Is a miracle the buu saga is as good as it is considering the burn out he had at that moment. Plus he admitted he came with the story as he goes, so there is never an overarching theme to the sagas or to the characters in themselves.

@christianflora2316

3 жыл бұрын

@@Puerco-Potter You know, the whole "Toriyama wanted to end things with Freeza" is a long-standing fan theory that I've literally never seen any evidence for. If anyone can point out an interview, or something, where he says this, that would be great. If anything, the fight with Cell seems like a far more natural ending point than the fight with Freeza. Honestly, I doubt Toriyama knew where he wanted to end Dragon Ball, as he was never that great at planning things in advance (besides a few exceptions like the first SSJ transformation and Ultra Instinct).

@sheharyarkhan1531

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianflora2316 exactly, its not like the frieza arc really wrapped up many character arcs, there was still a lot of stuff out in the open.

@lancevance6346

3 жыл бұрын

He was just next in line after OG Z squad, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks. This was bound to happen and DBS just sealed the deal with mishandling them.

Goddamn, he's already dead, why gotta massacre my boy even more? Great vid tho, nonetheless!

@zojirushi1

3 жыл бұрын

“Stop, stop! He’s already dead!” -Simpsons

@AxxLAfriku

3 жыл бұрын

I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on KZread. I already make a lot of money on KZread. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, hb

@cykick6971

3 жыл бұрын

@AxxL dont wait for 100K

@rooneybitencourt5278

3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku i dont recomend you drop out cuz KZread is a Hit or miss.

@lantrodijosh6224

3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku Please don't. Keep youtube as a side activity. Finish school and then find a stable job. You need a secure source of income, youtube is not secure at all. You can be dropped any time for no reason at all. Copyright bullshit, Twitter cancelling you, false rape allegations and the list goes on. It's surprisingly easy to lose everything on KZread.

Gohan: *trains for like 2 episodes* “We were bad, and now we’re good”

@phsquared1000

3 жыл бұрын

They didn’t even use the hyperbolic time chamber and we know it’s still used because Vegeta and Goku used it earlier in Super.

@SamUnderStars

3 жыл бұрын

@@phsquared1000 Vegeta destroyed it in the Goku Black arc.

@The2bGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamUnderStars Vegeta literally uses it before the ToP

@UmairAamir01

3 жыл бұрын

We were weak, but now we are strong* (I know your caption is from that meme template, but they were never bad xD. So.... )

@willthevill5500

3 жыл бұрын

@@UmairAamir01 Not to crap on Gohan but they made him weaker than base frieza in resurrection of frieza arc, so that lumped him in with the throwaway characters. So he kind of was bad at that point

When a character grows up and cuts their hair they always end up being wack.

@codingoftheuniverse8355

3 жыл бұрын

This is...suprisingly accurate.

@AntwoneAntJackson

3 жыл бұрын

@@codingoftheuniverse8355 goku knew this rule lol

@codingoftheuniverse8355

3 жыл бұрын

@@AntwoneAntJackson lol Vegeta too.

@hitkid2456

3 жыл бұрын

I never did like Yamcha's short cut.

@Max-ei8dn

3 жыл бұрын

and tien

To me the coolest moment of Gohan was that sequence with future trunks where everyone died and he became the only person able to fight the androids. In that part of the story he became a mature, reliable and thoughtful mentor that was able to fulfill the role of his father, which is a thing that we never saw again.

@beastofdarknesss5822

3 жыл бұрын

Future gohan is my favorite

@godemperorpepe

3 жыл бұрын

If Dragon Ball was about good story arcs they either have Vegeta brutalize Gohan for becoming a weakling. Especially since Gohan was capable of likely clapping Vegeta. Thus forcing Vegeta to “wake him up” so to speak. OR When Future Trunks came back, he should’ve punked Gohan by telling him how bad ass he was in the future. “Watching you die brought out the super Saiyan in me. Now it’s my turn to awaken your full power. Whether you accept or not.”

@mrcheesemunch

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they literally just have to make him Future Gohan it's really not that difficult lol Future Gohan was awesome and he felt totally distinct from Goku, how can the small parts he had in that one movie provide so much more character than Buu Saga and Super put together? It's really such a shame how ignored he is and it's not like you have to make him as strong as Goku to be interesting, just don't make him some useless idiot...

@LucidStrike

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrcheesemunch You just gave me an idea. To force Gohan to step up believably and still be able to field Goku and Vegeta, strand them in separate universes for a while, so that he really has no choice but to be The Savior again. When they reunite, give more challenges that require all 3 of them. But this won't happen. Toriyama wants us to just forget what Gohan is supposed to be and accept him as hollowed.

@LucidStrike

3 жыл бұрын

It's ironic because Future Gohan became more mature while standard Gohan became more powerful.

My thing with gohan is that if he wants to stop fighting and have a normal life with his family, that's fine, after his fight with cell he deserves it. My problem is that the story needs to stop putting him in combat focused scenes trying to bring back the nostalgia (piccolo sacrificing himself in res f). Instead, I want a situation where while Goku and vegeta are away his family is threatened. That way he was a believable reason to get stronger.

@adzlarchive6487

3 жыл бұрын

The entirety of Gohan after (and during to an extent) Cell has been about not slacking off because one of Roshi’s earliest lessons to Goku was :There will always be someone stronger. Goku Vegeta and Piccolo understand that Gohan doesn’t want to fight and wants him to live a normal life, but even Gohan has begun to understand that there will come a time where those older than him can’t protect them forever, as evidenced by Frieza returning, his farewell to Future Trunks(knowing that he was the last of the Z warriors before Trunks), and even up to the ToP. Honestly, i was excited to see Gohan and Piccolo perform some combo techniques and even new moves in the Moro arc and if you pull back and look at his character from Buu through Super, you can see that he has been working behind the scenes to do what he can, and i think that’s where I’m personally hopeful for the guy.

@Feedback_ATK

3 жыл бұрын

@@adzlarchive6487 yeah I definitely want it to happen, I just don't think it will

@mimoe7587

3 жыл бұрын

@@Feedback_ATK The company needs to realize Gohan is a character worth writing for as a fighter. They seem to like him better as the family man on the sideline and let him fill that role. To me biggest proof of this is Dragon Ball Hero's. Non anine cannon and pulling any combination of re-worked characters from other dimensions but only recently added one alternate Gohan and made him a side character to a (GT aged alternate) Pan character.

@Kato756

3 жыл бұрын

At the same time, I do feel he has some responsabilitu

@SomeRandomJackAss

3 жыл бұрын

*Ghostly voice* Baby Sagaaaaa~

Being a Gohan fan is the biggest Blue balls relationship a human being can have.

@hitkid2456

3 жыл бұрын

Being a SEGA fan is worse. Trust me.

@hitkid2456

3 жыл бұрын

Even fans of Mx0 (a manga over a decade ago cancelled by SJ after they did a reader survey thing) had it worse... They were doing a brand new arc which would be like 100+ chapters for him to get real magic powers, and it got NIPPED IN THE BUD. It can always be worse than ol' Gohan.

@zack1140

3 жыл бұрын

@@hitkid2456 I mean, I obviously exaggerated a bit. DBZ ain't even half as good enough for that statement to be anywhere accurate. For me it died off when frieza saga ended and I only enjoy the movies nowadays.

@zack1140

3 жыл бұрын

@@hitkid2456 yeah, I do feel bad for sonic fans ngl...at least sega owns the absolute powerhouse franchise Yakuza, which is made by it's own Studio, and sega luckily leaves them to do their own stuff, so they can't ruin that. (I actually would like to know if Sega influences their subsidiary game studios in terms of game development)

@KyleEvra

Жыл бұрын

As a Gohan lover it hurts really bad. 💔

2:01 I wasn't expecting the ''viejo sabroso'' there

@cjvaye99

3 жыл бұрын

What's that mean

@TheMemosomething

3 жыл бұрын

@@cjvaye99 sweet old man, in the worst meaning possible. It's a meme in latino, it used to say "viejo asqueroso", disgusting old man

@JuanLau

3 жыл бұрын

@@cjvaye99 'delicious old man' a sexual innuendo that stemed from an almost dead meme but resurrected by a group that paid the latin american spanish VA to say this.

LETS GO WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE OF THESE IN A WHILE

@TheChosenOnesTime

3 жыл бұрын

ZEKE TURNS LEVIS MEN INTO TITANS THEN LEVI KILLS THEM ALL ZEKE BLOWS UP LEVI AND ESCAPES HANGE DIES MIKASA KILLS EREN&FLOTCH

@xeibei4804

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime cringe

@thepeople1448

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime imagine being this much of a lowlife lmao

@spimbles

3 жыл бұрын

JAEGERIST damn thats crazy, i dont care at all in the slightest whatsoever, though

@bigenson18

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime AoT has dethroned MHA, Dragon Ball, JoJo, and Naruto as the most cringe and toxic fandom.

I think they missed an opportunity not having Gohan be more involved in the Goku Black Arc, he would have fit perfectly narratively with how important he is to Future Trunks and served as a good lead in to the ToP.

@mikexii13

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah this would have been more interesting.

@MrLachapell

3 жыл бұрын

Please stop, i don't need another reason to be sad

@Nintendoggy

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta milk that Goku and Vegeta cow.

@SARGON439

3 жыл бұрын

Trunks only had one episode to interact with Gohan in that arc, but it was a really powerful one IMO. Trunks was initially put off by how much of a loser Present Gohan was compared to the Gohan he knew, but then he realized that this Gohan is way happier and better off than the Saiyan Warrior he knew from his own timeline. And unlike Goku and Vegeta, Trunks isn't going to be happy with a life of fighting, when the fight against Zamasu is over, Trunks is going to have to settle down with Mai, and live a happy life for the first time. Just like Gohan did.

@walcolmx317

3 жыл бұрын

Yoooo hire this mannn

Someone draw a manga where Goku stays dead and Gohan & Vegeta are the two main pillars after the cell saga. Let Uncle vegeta be a mentor because their dynamic is so interesting yet completely unexplored

Something I hated was how Gohan as a kid always would train and etc cuz he knew he needed to in order to protect his loved ones. Then after he defeats Cell, complete with Goku telling him he was passing the torch, he just decided to laze around. Chi-chi trained Goten, Tien trained, Piccolo kept training even Vegeta (who had no intentions of fighting again after Cell saga) and Kid Trunks trained. Gohan was the guy who literally had potential hidden behind potential and worked to become a scholar before deciding to irresponsibly coast by after Cell saga. Some how he was the only one to get drunk at Bulma’s party, deflected bullets in such a haphazard way that one ricocheted in to Videl, and apparently lost a form he was given for doing nothing. Had to get body blocked by someone weaker than him. Was on the verge of losing to Tagoma, who even then should’ve been weaker. Gohan was given pretty much everything someone could want in the world of Dragonball but he doesn’t do anything with and it turned out his defeat of Cell was just the starting point in what would be a record setting 7 years of waiting for Goku to save the day.

@hitkid2456

3 жыл бұрын

He wanted a normal life. That's something that happens to heroes a lot of times, and from an early age, his life had been hell.

@mpointoui

2 жыл бұрын

@@hitkid2456 man just got kidnapped 2 Time in the same day when he was four.i think its easy to Say why he want a normal life

@erwannthietart3602

Жыл бұрын

@@hitkid2456 he wants a normal life, except he should be smart enough to understand that even in oeace theres no normality to be found to a half alien with the power to blast the solar system, like its logic even for a teen that if you get too angry you could boom the earth that staying normal is heh no

And when the Dragon Ball Z fanbase needed him most, he returned.

@dekaritheprofessor2631

3 жыл бұрын

Then he vanished once again 🔥

@Aflay1

3 жыл бұрын

@@dekaritheprofessor2631 Just like Vegeta.

@lexecomplexe4083

3 жыл бұрын

Then he returned to the dark times

@pakspider6482

3 жыл бұрын

But what are the dark times Dragon ball evolution 2 ideas Me: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The idea of gohan struggling through arrogance with vegeta as his mentor is pure genius

@pn2294

3 жыл бұрын

A horrible idea!

@jamaali2358

3 жыл бұрын

@@pn2294 lmao vegeta is still arrogant it's part of his character

@pn2294

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamaali2358 that’s the problem Besides Vegeta is Goku’s rival. Gohan needs to have his own cast if he doesn’t want to be a poor man’s Goku

@jamaali2358

3 жыл бұрын

@@pn2294 Cell saga was a bit of a mess too did he ascend to the next level or unlock his rage potential WTF Toriyama

@tEzekielt

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamaali2358 - It was both, obviously. And I do mean it was entirely obvious. Electricity doesn't happen around the SS1 aura. Gohan's hair even changed, signifying the transformation. That's all without even mentioning Goku and Trunks both saying that he did "it". Also the fact that his personality changed immediately gives it away. You can quite clearly tell that Gohan lost it when 16 was destroyed. Him losing it is what pushed him over the edge and into SS2 territory. They're both rage-based techniques. In order to enter Super Saiyan, they need to use anger and rage. Not only to enter the form, but to maintain it as well. In order for Gohan to receive his power boost, he needs to be angry or experience a near-death situation. Aggressive feelings and emotions are amplified while in Super Saiyan form as well. So, Gohan basically got a Super Saiyan rage boost instead of just a normal one.

I like the idea of Gohan trying to just live a normal life and raise a family but just constantly being forced into conflict to protect the people he loves

@DemonicRemption

3 жыл бұрын

@TheDudeCalledAlan Wow, I was happier man before I read this, because Toriyama could've done that! Gohan being forced to fight and protect what's important to him should've written itself. BUT, I'm a writer too, and I know first hand how story possibilities can elude you if they're never brought to your attention.

@ovensmuggler5207

Жыл бұрын

Kazuma Kiryu from Yakuza

From the beginning of Dragon Ball Z up until the Cell Saga I always thought they were building up Gohan to either surpass or become equals with Goku. I began to cheer for him when he actually started to train and grow. I became a fan of the character. Then they did my boy dirty. The narrative was there. I thought it was going to bloom. Although I didn't think that blooming would end with Cell.

@Valientlink

Жыл бұрын

Nope, mystic was over 2x more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, and now Gohan Beast is equal to UE Vegeta and UI Goku. Literally within one day. Vegeta was right about Gohan before the tournament, that he has the most untapped potential. It takes him literally no training at all to become uber powerful. Even weighted clothing was too much for him before Beast, the culmination of all of Gohan's power. The rage that lie within him resulting in the most insane power boosts out of anyone.

@BloxTheMvp

Жыл бұрын

@@Valientlink who the hell told you beast was equal to Ultra Ego and UI?

@Valientlink

6 ай бұрын

@@BloxTheMvp Toriyama said Gohan was the strongest and recent chapters in the manga suggest it's likely

Man this is EXACTLY how I felt about Gohan. He isn't irrelevant but when he is relevant they give him 2 minutes of shine and throw him back into the trash

@MAR-sc7np

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda true. He's basically the head of the fodder z squad. Like he's strong asf but he ain't strong enough to make a change like goku and vegeta

@TheChosenOnesTime

3 жыл бұрын

ZEKE TURNS LEVIS MEN INTO TITANS THEN LEVI KILLS THEM ALL ZEKE BLOWS UP LEVI AND ESCAPES HANGE DIES MIKASA KILLS EREN&FLOTCH

@MAR-sc7np

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime I've read the manga I know.

@coreyrutland9586

3 жыл бұрын

@@MAR-sc7np bruh why this is a dbz video

@MAR-sc7np

3 жыл бұрын

@@coreyrutland9586 your talking to the wrong person.

The fact that the editor used the "viejo sabroso" meme, my goodness mark give that man a raise he is a Real one

@RasenShot

3 жыл бұрын

Este es uno de los últimos lugares en los que pensé encontraría el meme.

@mathieul4303

3 жыл бұрын

The what?

@TheBluePhoenix008

3 жыл бұрын

What? Time stamp?

@donatellohamato748

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBluePhoenix008 2:02

@TheBluePhoenix008

3 жыл бұрын

@@donatellohamato748 what does it mean?

They should make Dragon Ball into a slice of life anime centering around Goten and Trunks with Gohan taking a father role as Goku and Vegeta are never around.

@KilatSilat

3 жыл бұрын

Would be awesome and give us some gotenks content

@mckzief8518

3 жыл бұрын

Yh like a spin-off

@jouheikisaragi6075

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good idea. They'll never do it.

@jg1692

3 жыл бұрын

Oh god no

@Pablo-yu9mc

2 жыл бұрын

Or make it so that Vegeta and Goku have trancended and are around. They nlrmally don'y fight, they basically take the olace of Berrus and Whis, while Gohan is the protag

Good analysis there. Persopnally, I was sorta hoping Gohan would become another one of the super smart supporting cast like Bulma who do all of the important non-combat stuff like inventing time machines. Like, he got through Cell by becoming this unhinged murder machine and he doesn't want to be that ever again, so he devotes himself to his studies.

I didn't expect you'd add the "viejo sabroso" video LMAOO

@TheChosenOnesTime

3 жыл бұрын

ZEKE TURNS LEVIS MEN INTO TITANS THEN LEVI KILLS THEM ALL ZEKE BLOWS UP LEVI AND ESCAPES HANGE DIES MIKASA KILLS EREN&FLOTCH

@wyattcampbell2077

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime What? Is this a spoiler that I don't understand?

@massie_m

3 жыл бұрын

it was so funny

@paburo9618

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime I'm up to date with that manga. Nice try tho, loser.

@spimbles

3 жыл бұрын

JAEGERIST damn thats crazy, i dont care at all in the slightest whatsoever, though

Gohan doesn't have relationship problems like vegeta, but he could've filled the role of earth's defender and as a mentor to goten and trunks. He could've had the arc of him realising that his strength is not enough to protect everyone anymore and could've had a training arc with whis. And finally complete his character arc from scared child to confident adult

@missxmarvel

3 жыл бұрын

I never understood why present Trunks never had a close relationship with Gohan. They don’t have to be master and pupil but at least mutual respect and kind of see eachother as brothers.

@Dhampir101980

3 жыл бұрын

@@missxmarvel because they don’t interact, just like Gohan and Vegeta. This is exactly why I said that Dragonball needs to switch up character dynamics going forward, to be able to tell new stories and keep things fresh

@missxmarvel

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dhampir101980 Vegeta is an outcast. It’s expected but Gohan and Trunks were very close, Gohan could have taken the big brother role for present Trunks like he did in the future.

@meyearsago-lc8bq

3 жыл бұрын

Because he's a hybrid Saiyan, not a pure-blooded warrior who wants to beat the crap out of everything strong. He didn't improve because he's not a mindless monkey, punching a bag for decades, he has better things to do. The problem is no one cared to show us what he achieved besides getting a gf. But that's another story.

@missxmarvel

3 жыл бұрын

@@meyearsago-lc8bq Dude. Hybrid or not even pan has less saiyan blood but still wants to fight in the final episodes. It’s just him being lazy and he keeps on making the same mistake of not training like in the Buu saga. Gohan could have been a change. He could have been the one with the brawn but also the brains in the Z fighters group. He could have been a father and a defender instead of hoisting himself in a gay clown costume.

He's waaaaaay better in the manga. Fighting Kefla, deciding to train for the sake of the world and protecting his family AND remain a scholar, not wanting to take the same route his dad took but discover a new form by himself, becoming the 3rd strongest fighter on the planet again etc. etc.

@QueenieNeha

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the manga handles him way better.

JAJAJAJAJAJA no me esperaba el meme de Androide 17 diciendo “viejo sabroso” 🤣

@TheMemeXp1

3 жыл бұрын

🖤🖤🖤 aun no me la creo yo jaja

@AndroSomnus

3 жыл бұрын

Cuando los memes latinos de anime trascienden fronteras de lenguaje.

@dfrancis7857

3 жыл бұрын

Puro meme ball super

@Markone99

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMemeXp1 stfu we don't speak immigration

@matiaselizondo5744

3 жыл бұрын

@@Markone99 ?

When he said “El Hermano de Jiren” I felt that

@SuperAmazingPower

3 жыл бұрын

Más bien lokita

Gohan is like A Persona 4 character trying to discover who he is as a person But because gohan isn’t fleshed out it leaves a lot to be desired.

@TheChosenOnesTime

3 жыл бұрын

ZEKE TURNS LEVIS MEN INTO TITANS THEN LEVI KILLS THEM ALL ZEKE BLOWS UP LEVI AND ESCAPES HANGE DIES MIKASA KILLS EREN&FLOTCH

@warriorofthegrandline2y618

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime The sky is blue after the ground turns red

@spimbles

3 жыл бұрын

JAEGERIST damn thats crazy, i dont care at all in the slightest whatsoever, though

@aman3329

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime lmao

@aman3329

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine not reading the manga smh

I think it's interesting to reanalyse him through the lens of someone with potential PTSD (he was always shown to be sensitive and scared as a child, while Goku was confident, ready to take on the world), someone who has had difficulty defining himself, torn between abusive/neglectful father figures and an extreme level of pressure/expectation from his mother. If we take this perspective, his arc makes a lot more sense imo, especially when he accepts both his intelligence as well as his fighting skills, he defines himself as a different sort of warrior from his Dad, and can step out of his shadow.

They only way The Gohan character would have reached its peak of Goku stayed dead like the original plan was.

Alot of people say that the good writing for Gohan stopped in Cell Saga, but honestly, one of the most underrated moments I feel for Gohan was his ascension into stepping in his father's shoes as the new strongest defender of Earth, taking on his dad's Gi and going to fight Super Buu. This was the pinnacle of his character to me, and its a shame that they ultimately decided to cut him off & instead have Goku come back to finish things.

@mandalore1089

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the ending to Z was a complete letdown because of how they handled Gohan, at least for me.

@NewAgeSlaves

3 жыл бұрын

Its forgotten because Gohan took the L anyway and got outshined again so much for that symbolism

@Dantarn

3 жыл бұрын

I always say that Gohan was never well written in Z, Cell Saga being some of the worst writing in the series. The only time I think Gohan actually had some writing chops going on was Great Saiyaman, the episode with Adult Gohan and Future Trunks, and Gohan being a dad in Super but that's about it.

@sahxb.

3 жыл бұрын

Dbz logic :- spirit bomb is the answer to every villian

@pn2294

3 жыл бұрын

Gohan never had good writing. His best writing was when he wasn’t constantly surrounded by his dad’s friends.

They really just didn’t know what to do with Gohan after the Cell Saga

@TheChosenOnesTime

3 жыл бұрын

ZEKE TURNS LEVIS MEN INTO TITANS THEN LEVI KILLS THEM ALL ZEKE BLOWS UP LEVI AND ESCAPES HANGE DIES MIKASA KILLS EREN&FLOTCH

@shashankasarikonda7813

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime please realise that there are people like me who think attack on Titan is just a good show. I even stopped watching it from 2 weeks because I lost interest in it.

@spimbles

3 жыл бұрын

JAEGERIST damn thats crazy, i dont care at all in the slightest whatsoever, though

@wood5596

3 жыл бұрын

I think you spoilin on the wrong video bro

@modernkiwi6447

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChosenOnesTime don’t care didn’t ask

If you new writers weren’t scared to give old characters their own training Arc then people like Gohan and Piccolo could have a training arc and get their power relevant again by training with whis.

@sunnywhite196

3 жыл бұрын

Nah. Can't have side characters outdo Goku and Vegeta as the main focus. But seriously, it would be nice if all of the side characters could've kept up with the Saiyans.

@NeoReoxis

3 жыл бұрын

The power creep is way too high for that to be plausible

@chewezx1767

3 жыл бұрын

@@sunnywhite196 Crazy part is, DBZ did this all the time. Super is just lame so we’ll likely never see Gohan or Piccolo getting the shine they deserve.

@sunnywhite196

3 жыл бұрын

@@chewezx1767 They gave Gohan a little bit of a chance to shine with the preliminary bout with the wolf whose name I don't remember. He just got cocky and then got blasted in the face.

@Blaiyan

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe a side manga like mha does

If only Piccolo and Gohan had used the hyperbolic time chamber for training. It wouldve made for some great character moments

Thanks for being critical of the character without being one of those guys who just want him to be just like he was in the Cell Saga.

@D-Havoc

3 жыл бұрын

I swear there's more nuance to the Gohan debacle. But if you're perfectly content with Gohan getting humiliated as oppose to just being left alone (forgotten in a sense like Tien and Yamcha, but without the comedic relief), then it's easier for the brain to overgeneralize it as "hurr durr they just want Chad-han."

"i want more development!" "sure ill give you a arc" "oh tha-" "PSYC you peaked at the cell saga" "fu-"

@iantaakalla8180

3 жыл бұрын

“Though I will give you a chance to shine during the Tournament of Power. A chance, mind you, because we know you’re done. We have decided to bring back Android 17, Android 18 and Frieza.”

@maxwen4153

3 жыл бұрын

@@iantaakalla8180 lOl

Wish that he grew up to be someone that understood that in order to protect his family, he had to balance career with training. Because he'll end up losing everything if he isn't prepared to fight. But thats just me

I liked the scene in TOP when Gohan and Piccolo teamed up against the two Namekians from Universe 6. The storytelling was incredible. Piccolo messing up but being saved by Gohan when it was the other way around when he was a kid. Piccolo seeing Kami and Nail which is amazing because for years we've known they are still there but getting a visual of that hit you in the feels. Gohan preparing his final attack with his guard down because he knows Piccolo is there to back him up. The second father son kamehameha. Just amazing storytelling. But like you said, it was lost in the shuffle because we couldn't fully absorb what happened because right after two universes got erased and the focus shifted. The TOP continued so we couldn't fully appreciate the moment for what it was. That was one of the few episodes of Super that can stand with Z IMO.

"Gohan is the strongest in the universe, but he still doesn't do crap!"

@brito7175

3 жыл бұрын

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE

@bb2fiddler

3 жыл бұрын

@@brito7175 BULMA AND VEGETA HAVE A KID

@brito7175

3 жыл бұрын

@@bb2fiddler THE REAL BUU IS A CHILD

@skiiscott3812

3 жыл бұрын

@@brito7175 tf?

@brito7175

3 жыл бұрын

@@skiiscott3812 CELL REACHES PERFECT FORM

"Viejo sabroso" Lmao, didn't expect a Spanish meme here

@robs1052

3 жыл бұрын

El hermano de Jiren

@justahuman4413

3 жыл бұрын

@@robs1052 El gohan calvo

@NeoKurane

3 жыл бұрын

Best spanish dbz meme ever

@henryzr23

3 жыл бұрын

Estaba buscando este comentario 🤣🤣 damn

@abrahamruiz3146

3 жыл бұрын

It was actually a surprise to find it here hahaha

I think the real issue is that it's a fighting series and Gohan has a mostly normal life. He might be useful with a spin off series revolving around the great saiyaman thou.

@MarkoLomovic

2 жыл бұрын

No, issue is that he was sidelined as character. Gohan didn't train much after Cell saga and then he goes trough buu saga. After that ordeal do you think gohan would just forget to become stronger ? Unlike Goku, Gohan doesn't enjoy fighting he fights to protect everything he holds dear and that was supposed to be his motivation to become stronger. So they sideline him by making him forget lesson he learned before and make him learn it again. He regressed becasue writers didn't want him strong for some reason. It is so bad that Frieza and 17 get to participate in final fight but Gohan loses by not even being able to take out his opponent alone.

Personally, I feel like Adult Gohan's strengths would have lined him up for much better plotlines if his adult relationships were framed better. If he realized his ideal image of his parents and their relationship wasn't real, that his arrogance is still a deep rooted issue (and no one gets over that in a day), and that his academic knowledge isn't useless in a fight. I feel a lot of that has to do with how they developed Videl, who is arguably Gohan's closest relationship as an adult, and who he'd talk to most. If you look at all the other relationships, there is confrontation in marriage. All the married couples fight with each other from time to time, while still clearly loving each other. But there's even confrontation among friends/family with your SO. But that never happens because they made her 100% docile, and by extension taking away some logical reasons for Gohan to fight and grow. After Videl finds out about Gohan killing Cell, she becomes perfect girly house-wife, which is completely opposite from her tom-boy-esque "come fight me" introduction. We see this even more with the Saiyaman Movie episodes when there's pictures of Gohan with another woman. Videl is surprisingly chill about it when we should have seen a scene like Lily fighting that chick who hit on Marshal in HIMYM. She doesn't hold Gohan accountable for anything, or him her. It's only positives with that relationship, which isn't realistic. According to most relationship specialists, your relationship to your spouse will many times mimic your parents' relationship, especially when it comes to arguments. We definitely don't see Chichi and Goku in them, and given Hercule divorced her mom, we likely don't see that either. I could go on this topic for hours with countless episodes and comic pages of proof, and have before. So, I'll cut myself short here and sum up. Toriyama, didn't want to flesh out another female character (not the first time he's done that), so to make things easy, made Videl suddenly amenable to anything. Given she was Gohan's love interest, a character who has always broken his limits for the people he loves being in immediate peril, her lacking development caused his development to slack as well. There was definitely potential for it, as we saw when Spopavitch beat the crap out of her. But nothing was done with it. She didn't join the fighters, which would have been a good step for her, given her hero hobby. She didn't pursue more training under Gohan, which she logically would have. And if he said no, she was definitely the type to ask others in the group to train her. But that didn't happen. Even her competitive and stubborn aspects were stripped away to make her more amenable to the other characters. And because of that, Gohan's closest adult relationship doesn't build him as a character at all, but stagnates him as also being poorly amenable.

@theradionicrevival8068

2 жыл бұрын

While I actually agree with most of this, i think the thing about gohan being shown with other woman not angering videl is pretty bad point in otherwise great read about what happened with them. While yeah, peoples romantic relationships are often reflective of their marriages, its not literally always the case. The idea of Videl simply handling it calmly is actually seen as rather mature to me imo. Yeah; younger tomboy videl would’ve been on his ass about it. But Videl has grown and she’s definitely not as prone to anger or jumping to conclusions out of insecurity or something like characters like chi-chi. I don’t personally see it as a bad thing that she proclaims that she knows her husband and trusts him because she knows he’d never do that and doesn’t need to be held accountable of anything, because he was very clearly being set up. While videls personality was certainly stripped and that all relationships (even good ones) have disagreements from time to time. I think “genuinely believing your husband would cheat on you” is a bit of a stretch too far. I don’t find it unrealistic or unhealthy or poorly written at all for videl to simply have firm enough head on her shoulder to recognize a trick for what it is and truly trust in her spouse. I for one, actually liked the moment because its literally the one time we see into some of the depths of videl and get a glimpse at who she actually is a character. The ability to see the ruse for what it was stems from Mr. Satan and his ways of being skeptical towards the unbelievable but also just her years or a crime fighter and actively being skeptical of the golden warrior, great saiyaman, the fighters who fought cell, gohan and mr satans own accomplishments. Chi chi is canonically a country bumpkin in the manga who has very traditional views on marriage and family (something kinda written out in english dubs of the series) And bulma used to be a character referenced and known tk freak out and jump to conclusions in early bits of the db manga (specifically by her mom and just in showing how she reacts to crazy situations) But videl? Specifically in the manga, she figured out gohan was the great saiyaman by genuinely investigating and tricking gohan into admitting it on his own through a play on words (something cut from the anime adaption) So idk, while young videl wouldve saw through the ruse too, she still probably would’ve been flustered and irrationally mad at gohan I think her being mature but upset and figuring out that this stuff was obviously a ruse is actually one of the rare and genuine shows of her character. Harkening back to elements of who she used to be, showing that theres depth beyond what she’s be reduced to now, but also showing how she’s grown as a person and how she’s grown with gohan.

@theradionicrevival8068

2 жыл бұрын

And for the record; i could be wrong, but i have a feeling you genuinely have more to say on the topic and so do i- Issue is that my phone is bonkers and shows me no new reply notifications without me going to check the video comments myself. So until i get a new one and download the app there; i’ll never actually see what you had to say. I rarely ever say this when i comment, but i wanted to this time cause i got a feeling you genuinely want to discuss more with this but i’ll have little way of finding you or your replies and comments again after this. So sorry in advanced if you say something profound and I randomly forget to check someday and stop responding. This is a genuinely interesting topic thats fun to talk about. I just wanted to at least get your point on the saiyaman movie thing off my chest, even if won’t be able to see your response! And if i misread it you and you’re NOT in the mood to discuss this further; just ignore these. Just wanted to give you a genuine disclaimer as to why I’ll suddenly go silent if you write something! I’m also sorta busy rn, ever since I noticed this issue with the phone (even after deleted and redownloading the app itself) i tended to come back and check videos i wanted to responses on, but contrary to how it seems; i have a life outside of this and am kinda busy rn. So the odds of me remembering to check to see it you respond later today, or even consistently overtime at all are slim! So when i get my new phone someday and I randomly come across this comment and finally respond, potential years or months after the fact, thats why lol

@annajohnson8124

2 жыл бұрын

@@theradionicrevival8068 Don't worry. I love to discuss this stuff too. And I think you misread what I'd meant by Videl's reaction to the frame up. It's not bad that she knows Gohan well enough to know he wouldn't cheat. That's base level trust. But she doesn't haul ass on the actress who was trying to seduce him, I do not buy. There is maturity and there is indifference. Just blanketly forgiving the actress, who knew he was married and tried anyway, would not happen. I'll frame it from my own relationship, which I've been married for 7-8 years, been with my husband for 10. We have a mature relationship built on love and trust. My husband and I both get kicks when we hear one of us has been hit on by a stranger, especially if it's done in front of our spouse. We laugh and joke about it because we know neither of us would ever cheat. But if someone we actually know, say at church, or from work, or whatever, actually tried to make a move on either of us, there would be scorched earth where that person once stood. And that's not immaturity. That's putting someone who knew better back in their place. That doesn't mean I'm mad at my husband either for being in that position. I'd be mad at the bitch who thought. However, we don't get that from Videl. She's just kind of ok this woman put her husband in difficult, awkward position with plans to sabatoge their marriage. That's not the Videl who jumped into burning buildings and blackmailed the cute guy at school into sharing his secret identity and forcing him to give her flying lessons. In the Saiyaman movie arc, Videl exhibited doormat behavior, which the Videl Gohan fell in love with would never. None of this is saying she had to stay a tomboy forever. People grow, and that's good. And while Videl would mellow, that is not a logical level of mellow she'd go to. ESPECIALLY since her parents got divorced when she was young because her father was a habitual cheater. (While no, it's not specifically stated, we do know they are divorced and Hercule's habit around pretty women is enough to make that logical assumption. Especially with Videl's comments around it. And that in the comics, when Gohan said Goku was dead, then introduced her to him, she recalibrated to thinking Goku and Chichi were divorced, and Goku was with another woman.) My belief, as a writer myself and having read the comics as well as watched both versions of Z, is that Videl's exaggerated mellowing is because Toriyama doesn't know how to write women. He's got 3 already spitfire women married to Goku, Vegeta, and Krillin. I believe he was worried Videl would start to seem cookie cutter in comparison, and mellowed her out as an adult. However, he did it to a point that was neither believable or healthy relationship-wise, and hurt Gohan's character progression in Super. Gohan could have had a better comeback, but his fans were just left disappointed because he has no drive since his life is too pristine.

@annajohnson8124

2 жыл бұрын

@@theradionicrevival8068 Also, what I meant by struggles within the relationship is that you don't really see them face obstacles together. When Pan was sick, Gohan was flying around looking for the dragon balls (when advil would have sufficed). We don't see Videl struggling with Gohan's arrogant attitude, which we would. That kind of character flaw crops up in every aspect, it really has no bearing on their relationship? I don't buy it. What we should have seen was Gohan and Videl competing to be the better parent, just like we saw them competing on being the best superhero of Satan City. While Gohan knew he was stronger, he still played that competitive game with Videl on the superhero front. Why don't we see it on the parenting front? The scoreboard of changes diapers. The "Your turn" moments every parent has when the baby wakes up in the middle of the night. Gohan struggling to put Pan to sleep, while Videl does it easily. Or Goku teaching Pan something Videl doesn't like, and her telling Gohan to talk with him about. Or Chichi. We see none of these situations, which would definitely crop up, and would definitely frame character issues or arcs much better. There is very little going wrong between them and their in-laws, which would not happen, and is unhealthy when it comes to relationships. This puts forth an indifferent relationship rather than a loving relationship. I think Keanu Reeves said it best, "If you're a lover, you have to be a fighter. Because if you don't fight for your love, what kind of love do you have?" Gohan was ALWAYS someone who fought for his love and loved ones. But now that he's married with a family, his love for them suddenly isn't enough for him to break through like it used to? Problematic.

One thing that has plagued Shonen manga for a long time now is how rooted the story is on it's main character. You can't have Fist of the North Star without Kenshiro, you can't have Naruto without Naruto himself. When Araki killed Jonathan at the end of Jojo Phantom Blood, that was a really bold move, specially for the time when that was published. You can see that in Joseph's design and story. He's alsmot one to one visually with Jonathan, and is almost directly related to him. He's a complete 180 in personality, though. Gohan is, in my opinion, what happens when an author tries to pull the same technique as Araki, but fails to change the flow and hooks of the plot to suit the new character. The plot inevitably goes back to it's roots and forces Goku back, and Gohan's character in turn becomes hollow. He's there as a reminder of what could've been, of a plot that never really existed.

Gohan was supposed to take front seat , that’s always the truth.

@Deathmare235

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he never was and Toriyama just gave him too much

@Slender_Man_186

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deathmare235 the end of the Cell saga was undeniably a passing of the torch moment, they tried having Gohan as the lead in the Buu saga, people didn’t like it because it wasn’t written that well, and Goku was brought back first temporarily, and then permanently.

@brian9967

3 жыл бұрын

@@Slender_Man_186 I think it wasn't written poorly at all. Dragonball fans unfortunately just love the status quo, by and large, despite claiming to want something different. What came to be known as the buu saga started off good, even if it was very different from what fans had come to expect. It didn't last very long, but I think if the series had kept going in that direction, it would have greatly benefit from it.

@lubugrandson

3 жыл бұрын

@@Slender_Man_186 Nah Toriyama said in an interview he thought Goku fit better.

@Slender_Man_186

3 жыл бұрын

@@brian9967 but it was pretty poor, it was awkward teen love drama that Toriyama admits to not being good at writing. It was only when Goku came back that things pick up again because Tori knows how to write Goku, he’s familiar to him.

You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this. To me, like to many people, Gohan should be the best character. I'm glad you followed up the original video.

Everyone talking about "viejo sabroso" but not "el hermano de Jiren" 13:20

It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t like to fight, Gohan NEEDS to be strong to survive the world he was born into and protect his family

@TheChosenOnesTime

3 жыл бұрын

ZEKE TURNS LEVIS MEN INTO TITANS THEN LEVI KILLS THEM ALL ZEKE BLOWS UP LEVI AND ESCAPES HANGE DIES MIKASA KILLS EREN&FLOTCH

@JamailvanWestering

3 жыл бұрын

And they can make that his reason for training but to also juggle it with work, making him an actual character and making him more interesting again unlike Goku who’s become less and less interesting

@MAR-sc7np

3 жыл бұрын

@@JamailvanWestering right I like that about gohan now but I feel like I actually wanna see him progress in training. all his training since the top has been off screen.

@spimbles

3 жыл бұрын

JAEGERIST damn thats crazy, i dont care at all in the slightest whatsoever, though

@dark-xh7fs

3 жыл бұрын

All of characters needs to do that. But gohan can counts on his father and his friends. Also in manga science top he's putting effort into beeing better fighter. His cooperation with piccolo deserves prise IMO.

Gohan peaked in the Boo arc when he pursued his dream of being a scholar and it worked extremely well with the main theme of the series: “The Pursuit of Happiness”

@nabbit5574

3 жыл бұрын

Ayy DoraBall comment. You gotta admit though, Super did drop the ball

@doraball6114

3 жыл бұрын

@@nabbit5574 what up! And yes dbs gohan is awful. Toei thought he was cocky in the boo arc when he clearly wasn’t

@dantesuoh9190

3 жыл бұрын

@@doraball6114 That was the only part of this video I disagree with Mark on. Gohan's Arrogance plot got dropped because it didn't really make sense. He already learned it when Cell almost destroyed the Earth after Gohan's SS2 transformation. In Super there felt like a lot of places/roles that Gohan could have played, but were given to other characters. Hell, he said he was giving to surpass Goku without relying on Super Saiyan, and they gave Goku a non-Saiyan power with UI. White Gohan was a goddamn ToP meme.

@pablogomesoliveira2677

3 жыл бұрын

@@dantesuoh9190 ui gohan ? I never thought of that

@samueloak1600

3 жыл бұрын

@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Gohan Blanco, man

The reason I've always loved Gohan, even despite his... rather poor development in some regards has always been a conflict he's had that no other character has managed particularly well... even him at points. Gohan desires normalcy... to live a simple life. No fighting for his life against universal opponents. No training for the next big bad. He wants to settle down and have peace. Dragonball, as a story, doesn't allow him this... And that's what always stuck with me about him growing up. I was always deemed extremely academically gifted and had an explosive temper, in one case putting a classmate in the hospital. Gohan was, at first an outlet for my temper. A power fantasy as you described... but... as time went on after the Cell Saga... I began to idolize his desire to not fight. To settle and live a simple life. From after the Cell Saga on, Gohan's conflict has always been surrounded with his desire for normalcy and the inevitable pull of the supernatural. He wants to be a Scholar for his mom, normal. He wants to be a fighter for his dad, supernatural. And... that's were I really see him shine as a character... and why I can see why a lot of people don't like him now. The arc doesn't really fit with most of dragonball, hence his random powerups and such to remain relevant. I can also see why a lot of people wouldn't really like him after he lost that appeal of being OP. But... for people like me? I owe that character arc a lot. It helped me vent that anger, and find an outlet to seek. Something to actually push towards in my life... hence why I have a fiancé and I'm going to be married within the next few years. I desired to be well... normal. Gohan is different to any other dragonball character... and I can see why he's honestly not a good character within the context of the story... but that's why I like him.

@arthurleonardo4285

Жыл бұрын

damn. Why did none talked about this comment?

@IIIISai

Жыл бұрын

beautiful comment

@stefanroche3052

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurleonardo4285they’re not meant to relate to it

@arthurleonardo4285

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanroche3052 still,its so good and talks so well of gohan's character

@stefanroche3052

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurleonardo4285 I agree, I love him as a character in retrospect. He’s an interesting character with differing motivation. I haven’t watched a lot of Super to even know much of where he goes and evolves.

The "viejo sabroso" cameo...didn't see that coming xd

Gohans basically the head of the fodder z squad now. Like he's strong asf but he ain't strong enough to make a change in battle or in the story like goku and vegeta

@justaguywithagoodphoto4801

3 жыл бұрын

Well he can he juat never chooses to

Personally i liked gohan the most during the highschool arc where he interacted with "normal" society and his relationship with videl and his class mates

@KaiserMattTygore927

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, that was fun.

@powerjolt7215

3 жыл бұрын

I love rewatching everyones reaction when Gohan goes SSJ2 against Kibito!

@NonStopKnocks

3 жыл бұрын

He felt like goku but in a unique way.

@megasmashxD

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, it was so nice and enjoyable to watch

@maadtee6281

3 жыл бұрын

Gosh I wish we could see them especially sharpner I'm sure he owns a big gym wherever he is and would go crazy if he meets the greatest baseball player yamcha

The gohan stands are toxic and refuse to see how flawed this character is bruh, like just let him stay sidelined. We need a goten arc

Adult Gohan feels like a totally different character in almost every single way

Now that you bring it up, Vegeta being the one to help Gohan overcome his arrogance would have been awesome. Gohan and Vegeta don’t interact at all anymore, and it would be interesting to see how their relationship develops without Goku around. I think it could benefit them both.

@riteshjadhav1382

3 жыл бұрын

That would be interesting

@Dhampir101980

3 жыл бұрын

@@riteshjadhav1382 yeah. Dragonball should switch up the character dynamics from time to time to avoid staleness.Plus that would also free up Goku to spend more time with Goten training and giving him some development as well without always needing to partner up with Trunks

@humanman9920

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dhampir101980 of course , most of the characters potentially have much more to do than they are doing currently

@humanman9920

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dhampir101980 super hints things but doesn't fulfil all of them , mostly it does to make plots not story , remember there's a scene in super, vegeta was disappointed with the thing that gohan stopped training , i don't remember the exact words he said something like what a waste or pathetic but hinting that he was just disappointed that gohan's potential got wasted. hope next season we get to see character progression amazingly done in general with good story.

@carloscervantes836

3 жыл бұрын

Vegeta has also been show on multiple occasions to acknowledge and respect Gohan's potential.

It’s funny how Gohan was the leader of the U7 team in the Tournament of Power but he never even had the chance to fight Jiren It shows how the writers cared about Frieza and 17 waaay more than Gohan in the ToP

@powerjolt7215

3 жыл бұрын

This! Like imagine Gohan fighting Jiren and getting absolutely stomped, but then using his intelligence to land a good hit.. That would be fire. Maybe Jiren seeing Gohan's potential or something and directly comparing it to UIO Goku. Maybe even a Gohan and Goku moment or a Gohan and Vegeta moment where they egg him on to stay focused and vice versa.

Wanna know what feels wrong? God Ki training without Gohan, the guy who pulled the Z Sword. The guy with the Mystic Form. The guy who has a reason to hang around Shin for training who is intrinsically linked to Beerus. Heck, bring Piccolo along. But using just Piccolo as a punching bag feels like a disservice to both characters.

While I can agree that DBS's portrayal of Gohan was frustratingly inconsistent, I actually preferred when they fully leaned into the notion of him settling down as a family man. Some of my favorite episodes were the mini-arc where an entitled movie star tries steeling his wife, and Gohan shows that even if he's not the strongest in the universe, he's still no one to be trifled with. I doubly loved that mini-arc for Videl and how because Gohan is such good and reliable husband, she completely shrugs off the pictures of Gohan with another woman, trusting that Gohan would have a reasonable explanation. I especially love how it flew in the face of certain kinds of "fans" who expressed their dissatisfaction with Gohan by suggesting Videl would leave him for some alpha-chad meathead.

A while back when I introduced my friend to Dragonball, he pointed out that Goku being the main focus of the series was odd because Gohan was much more relatable. When he discovered how Gohan would eventually end up in the Buu saga, he was heartbroken and largely lost interest in the series. So much lost potential...

@dinogt8477

3 жыл бұрын

So he thinks relatability equals=quality? If so then it’s a good thing he lost interest in the franchise

@armandohernandez5454

3 жыл бұрын

@@dinogt8477 having a relatable character makes the show more enjoyable

@potheadraccoon8536

3 жыл бұрын

@@dinogt8477 goku isnt a quality character thou i dont know why you think he is especially dragon ball super goku lmfao

@dinogt8477

3 жыл бұрын

@@armandohernandez5454 enjoyability doesn’t make the writing good

@dinogt8477

3 жыл бұрын

@@potheadraccoon8536 when did I say goku is a quality character?

Unpopular opinion: Gohan and his great saiyaman/school life arc was some of the greatest and most enjoyable content in all of dragonball.

@brian9967

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Thematically and narratively it made way more sense than what the buu arc eventually devolved into and Toriyama should have stuck to his guns. The problem is db fans are so stubborn, they cannot accept anything new. We only want new villains, new powerups, higher and higher stakes. Almost all of Super is this same regurgitated garbage, it's so embarrassing I just pretend it doesn't exist. How do you even fix this?

@pablogomesoliveira2677

3 жыл бұрын

@@brian9967 everything you just said is absolutely right , we also need to change ( the fans ) like we are a literal joke to all the fanbases because of that “can he beat goku “ meme , no , goku can’t beat superman ( well not ALL versions of him ) , goku can’t solo gurren Lagan , and no Saint saya ( I freaking butchered it ) stomps medium diff

@pablogomesoliveira2677

3 жыл бұрын

@@brian9967 and I absolutely want to see a new superpower , or hax , the new granolah arc gave him ( granolah) reality warping abilities, so we are going to the right direction

@danielz-v4083

3 жыл бұрын

@@brian9967 Tbh I was fine with Buu. I honestly think the route he went with was good but with small changes, mostly involving changing the narrative to focus on Gohan and giving a bit more shine to other Z fighters, it could’ve been phenomenal. But there is something about seeing a humble “super “ trying to fit in , especially one that lost his childhood because he was too busy basically saving the universe, that’s just.... interesting? Idk It’s so fun watching Gohan get bullied by a guy that couldn’t even scratch him but Gohan still doesn’t get mad. He is so pure at heart that he basically just cannot comprehend why someone would act like that. Same goes for his relationship with Videl. “Man I cannot understand girls” because he almost never interacted with one in that way. The saiyaman arc used the best aspects of Gohan when he is not going apeshit(which obviously is cool, but I love the simple things too)

@danielz-v4083

3 жыл бұрын

@@brian9967 About Super... yeah I can see why you prefer that. The people who were responsible for it (at least the anime version) just didn’t have a grasp or proper respect to the core of the characters. They literally make it feel like Goku was all good with sacrificing the multiuniverse for a good fight. (Yeah, in the end it was worth it but he didn’t know it). The manga does a far better job imo in regards to understanding him and the other characters, but there are still may points in the narrative that are fully Toriyama’s fault (such as putting Gohan into the pits of Irrelevance). Toyotaro did his best to change that with the Moro arc and some of the ToP. The anime did it better with the ToP and Gohan, but the overall structure could not be saved.... Gohan is dead in Super. On the other hand, Vegeta is treated really damn fine, so there is still a reason to be interested in the series imo

PTSD Gohan becomes the next supervillain; negatively spiralling down until he uses the powers he's spent so long ignoring to flip out and destroy half of earth's population. The power, saiyan rage and arrogance are firmly in the driver's seat. Goku has a space to come back as the hero because Gohan fans just want someone to save their boi and gohan has to claw his way through the issues we were expecting to tackle with him as the protagonist in the buu saga. BAM!

I believe Akira Toriyama once gave an interview where he said, " Dragon Ball is the story of Son Goku". Which is fine, but in that case the DB Universe deserves more spin-off stories for its side characters. They don't even have to be battle shounen, I would take slice of life in the DB Universe.

@diegoantoniofrias9309

Жыл бұрын

He better make Neko Majin canon

OH MY GOSH, as a chilean, didnt expected you even knew about the "viejo sabroso" latino america meme, thank you!

@SuperAmazingPower

3 жыл бұрын

Sapee!!

@samueloak1600

3 жыл бұрын

@Editor-san ¿En serio?

@SuperAmazingPower

3 жыл бұрын

@@samueloak1600 el editor es @Editor-san, we, jajaj.

@samueloak1600

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperAmazingPower CARAJO

When I look at adult Gohan I remember the good old cell saga and say to myself "here I sit, broken hearted, came to shit but only farted"

@looting3305

3 жыл бұрын

Sun Tzu said that

@michaelralphs5593

3 жыл бұрын

@@looting3305 And I think he knows a little more about shitting then you do, pal because he invented it.

@lazyproductions8005

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelralphs5593 Then he perfected it

I loved seeing Gohan go to high school, fall in love and have a family. He was never a fighter, he was always forced to fight, the fact that he quit fighting to be a family man is realistic

@JavotheDino18

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@troywright359

3 жыл бұрын

Even his mistake with Super Buu makes sense with his personality. He always is told "wait till your father gets here, wait for Goku" as a kid. Even with Cell, he had help from Vegeta and his dad cheering him on. He's never really had to face things by himself, and that's why he got cocky with Buu after seeing how much stronger he was.

@thecensoredmuscle563

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's realistic if he was an underground fighter. Not very realistic when you are earths protector. That's like General Patton when world War 2 starts says "I'm out, I'm going to hang out with family and read some books."

@Eorzat

3 жыл бұрын

I believe he was in college when he met Videl, but yeah.

@DemonicRemption

3 жыл бұрын

@Ilaria Moon Yeah, but as a result Gohan has something to protect. I didn't want Gohan to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta, just strong enough to act as support like he did in the ToP. That being said, it just occurred to me that he doesn't have to be involved in every conflict, just the really pick ones.

If only my therapy went as fast Gohan's development did in Super.

I kind of feel bad for Gohan fans (including myself); he's been mishandled for so long that we'll just accept the literal scraps they give him, because that's literally ALL he has and without them, he'd really nothing be nothing.

Ok, as a latina, i wasn't expecting AT ALL that "viejo sabroso" ♥

@lcentu56

3 жыл бұрын

La verdad xd me tomó desprevenido

@moisesblanco7798

3 жыл бұрын

Nadie se lo espero la verdad hahaha! Pero hay un canal latino que está subiendo memes en inglés entre ellos el de Viejo sabroso y se ha vuelto algo popular y más conocido

@bit427

3 жыл бұрын

What does this phrase mean?

@jorsz1110

3 жыл бұрын

Ni yo xD.

@mayconlcruz

3 жыл бұрын

@@bit427 Literally "tasty old man". Can be translated as something like "naughty old man".

Ok, imagine this. An extremely ancient being, the comes from a clan of people that opposed past gods of destruction, not wanting to just accept death, create a new type of Ki known as "mythic ki". This Ki is special in that, it can't be sensed by anyone or any gadget. It got the name mythic Ki due to people questioning if it is even real. Becoming a bit of a myth. With the only remaining one wandering around, with a really laid back personality (think gojo from jujutsu kaisen) actually just looks at beerus as an interesting guy, while beerus find him extremely annoying and is unable to deal with him, since he's very powerful, or find him, since his Ki is undetectable. This man approaches Gohan, after having watched him for many years and decides Gohan is the perfect fit to inherit this Ki. He explains while Goku was a candidate at one point, he's shown to be too irresponsible to weird this power, and it simply isn't compatible with god ki. While Gohan was shown to take action if he feels it's necessary, but also try to resolve things peacefully if possible. If Gohan gained this Ki and used it with his sayain transformation, imagine his hair and eyes glow white or something, and he takes on a role of protector of the solar system. It would be cool to, to see him surprise Goku with this transformation, and challenge him to a fight. And do to how off putting it is to not sense his ki, Gohan even appears to have an upper hand. After the fight Vegeta says "you should have used ultra instinct and put him in his place" then Goku smiles and says "I was using it. I just didn't transform. I don't think ultra instinct knew how to handle a fighter with no ki to sense." Would be a really cool way to make Gohan more powerful, without him needing to have as much raw power as the others

Mark, I absolutely love hearing you talk about dragon ball. Youve opened me up to criticisms i hadnt thought about before, and hearing you speak on them you can tell it comes from a place of love and affection for a series that has shaped all our lives. Never stop doing what you do. Cant wait for super to back back stronger than ever. The manga has been turning out some of supers best stuff since the anime ended, and I cant wait to hear you talk about the anime version.

It's a shame that Gohan ended up being a hollow character but as a certain scholar once said "it's not the character's fault it's the writers."

Been missing the DB character analysis. Thanks Not-Mark.

The videos are back!!

Absolutely love the way you formatted the analysis , you just put my thoughts into words with how I’ve felt about Gohan all these years.

I think you could legitimately do some story stuff with Gohan being a father. Maybe have him struggle with the idea of introducing Pan to fighting at a young age or at least fighting big threats due to all of the things he was forced to go through as a kid.

I guess since I said my serious response, I can give a joke: As bad as Gohan is... imagine if you are a Goten fan!

@thedelordhimselfgokublack

3 жыл бұрын

Does Goten have fans?

Another great arc for Gohan would be understanding what fighting means to him. If you look back on several of his best fights, he suffers from overconfidence to a fatal degree. To me, it’s him mimicking the fighters that have raised him, flaws and all. Goku has always seemed overconfident in his abilities and is constantly separate from his own family because of his love for martial arts. Piccolo is a master martial artist who knows his strengths and weaknesses inside and out, and always seems confident because of this, so on and so forth. It’s like Gohan puts on a persona specifically for fighting his enemies in order to prepare himself to do something he hates and feel confident enough to win, thus he becomes overconfident when he is the strongest guy in the room and is forced to fight. If he is shown what martial arts means to, let’s say, Goku, he could be shown why he loves it so much. Because Goku believes everyday can be better then the last, and so could he. He projects this mentality into his fights, and thus changes his opponents for the better, at least sometimes. Gohan could take away that idea of always self improving and project that instead of the overconfident persona he believes is the key to victory. P.S. this would come full circle in the TOP when he fights the family man, he would struggle with the idea fighting someone who is also being forced to fight to protect his loved ones, but he doesn’t regret the fight, only that he lost his family

Gohan probably has more potential than anyone else, but he doesn’t apply himself.

@WarTitan888

3 жыл бұрын

@CyberRedWolf 2 Haha no he doesn't. And he's right lol.

@WarTitan888

3 жыл бұрын

@CyberRedWolf 2 I don't see it. He only said that Gohan had more potential, which we've seen proof of since Teen Gohan saga.

@midgetydeath

3 жыл бұрын

He applies himself immensely to anything he does. The problem is he overshadowed Goku and the writer couldn't let that happen. This isn't a coming of age manga/anime, it's Goku's adventures after Dragon Ball.

Gohan: Hah, I'm not a hollow character. I've got Saiyan blood flowing through my veins. Buu: You're missing the point.

2:02 a lo que venían "viejo sabroso"

This video damn near sums up the entire super hero movie and exactly how I’ve been feeling about the show. Interested to hopefully hear a review of that movie as well to break that down as well

you really made us wait over a year for another one of these. welcome back

"Viejo Sabroso" the best line of 17 in DBZ (Spanish)

I kind of liked that Gohan turned into a skinny weakling, a hollow shell of his past self, because then they could've made a proper redemption arc with his character. Showing his struggles not keeping up with everyone and what it does to him mentally, being compared to his past self, him balancing his life as a warrior and family man to show what's really important to him. All of it done half-assed and getting his strength back in 1 episode. So disappointing...

@bookofsol

3 жыл бұрын

Only problem is the gohan in RoF was roughly a year & some change after the BoG movie. In one year he lost all his muscles and was questioning whether or not he can turn super saiyan... yet 7 years later after cell he does it no problem.

@drasconboy6349

3 жыл бұрын

@@bookofsol Not to mention with Buu he should've learned his lesson about not training Hell, GT does this better by making him split his time between training and studying

@bookofsol

3 жыл бұрын

@@drasconboy6349 super just recycled his character as well as vegeta and just called it "development"

What frustrates the most about Gohan is that we know he's the character with the most potential of them all but we never see anything being done about it. With DBS Superhero, I'm waiting for that to change but with they way his character is handled (in the anime specifically), I doubt it. The manga is my only hope lol

The writers ruined him because they didn't want him to take the spotlight.

I think it would have been cool if Gohan fighting Goku happened at the end of Super. Hear me out Goku started the tournament of power which almost led to the destruction of multiple universes and you see a little bit of hints that Gohan is pissed off at that. One moment in particular during the tournament that stood out to me was when he knocked that one guy out and he dropped the picture of his family that get's erased right in front of Gohan and Gohan looks pissed. Now the series goes to great lengths to not blame Goku (Even though it was totally his fault.) but can you imagine if at the end of the tournament Gohan pissed at his dad for his recklessness and callous disregard for not only other universes but his own challenges him to a fight and win or lose Gohan Permanently distances himself from Goku saying he can't be near someone who gleefully puts his family in danger. It would be SOOO good to see Gohan put his wife and kids over his dad plus it would make a good Vegeta moment where Gohan put Pan and Videl over the warrior path. AND it would put Some consequences for Goku constantly putting the chase of the next fight over everything else.

@broom2839

3 жыл бұрын

It's Goku's fault the guys in charge are assholes who look for any reason to destroy everything? How could he have known the only reason they wanted to host the tournament was to see if they should erase everything? All they said was they were considering hosting a tournament for all universes. There was no mention of them destroying everything until the last second. Is it your fault if you invite your best friend to your mother's birthday party and he kills her and everybody else there in front of you? How could you be so reckless? That logic makes no sense.

@aliasgerchallawala4582

3 жыл бұрын

@@broom2839 Correct, Goku actually gave the universes a chance to live and in the end saved them.Zeno would have erased them any way. Goku saved them.

Gohan is one of my favorite Dragonball characters and I totally agree. He peaked in the cell saga and was never the same. I will admit I did like they gave him some development in the tournament of power sage but it certainly wasn't enough. Gohan should be the antithesis to the norm character. He hates fighting and only does it to protect those he cares about. There's that moment in the tournament where No 17 blasts the love maidens during their transformation since they left themselves open. That should have been Gohan, since he has given in to his need to fight at times despite hating it, that should be his continuation. Unlike Goku and Vegeta who want the best kinds of fights, Gohan should want to try to end things quickly (at least now that he overcame his eagerness). I get dragonball's appeal comes form the transforming the 100% full power fights, believe me I love it too, but at least focusing on Gohan's desire to win for safety sake I'd argue could keep him relevant and give him a reason to actually fight to become stronger. What's to stop him form having 5 Sayians around him and giving him the red hair? Himself. If he still needs to fight and decides he needs the strength, he'd go for it. JUST WRITE HIM IN A MORE INTERESTING WAY.

Great video! I love these Anatomy Of Anime videos you do. I don't know if you plan to cover other character, but I would love see one of Eraserhead or Levi. Love your channel man!

Dragonball videos are back!!!

Me before watching this: _"Super wasn't that bad-"_ Me after watching this: _"Goddamn, they really did butcher all the potential, huh."_

@wolfgod6443

3 жыл бұрын

Do keep in mind, TNM barely even mentioned Buu Saga Gohan because there's next to nothing to talk about, and not one hint of GT, a series where his daughter is one of the main characters. This isn't a Super problem, this just what happens when a character has no where to go after their story has ended (Cell Saga).

@Shift_Salt

3 жыл бұрын

Super will age like swiss cheese left in the sunlight.

@Shift_Salt

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfgod6443 True, but out of those the only one to pretend Gohan was gonna be in the spotlight was the Buu Arc. And even then you could tell Goku was just lingering and Toriyama was just waiting to swap them out since he preferred writing for Goku. The Buu Arc may have been the beginning to Gohan's downward spiral and certainly contains many disappointing and contrived moments but Super pretended to address this when all it did was more of the same, it was like rubbing salt into the wound in that case. GT is more a case of Pan's wasted potential since it was pretty clear Gohan was a side character much like the rest of the cast.

@wolfgod6443

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shift_Salt I don't know, Gohan had some great interactions and fights in the ToP. I'd say they told a successful story with him. I don't really want him to be the main character, but I do want him to find balance in his two lifestyles, and at least they've been working towards that...Slowly.

@SomeRandomJackAss

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shift_Salt I mean, when we go back to Gohan during the Baby Arc he does some cool stuff, and shows that he hasn't really let his work or family life get in the way of his training.

Yooo, I literally just re-watched the old Gohan anatomy of anime episode.

This really got me thinking how if Resurrection F weren't intended as a stand alone film there could have been more done. Like imagine that instead of Gohan being unsure of himself and telling everyone that he's lost his edge, what if they really leaned into that underlying but very real arrogance that was demonstrated when he first got both SSJ2 and Ultimate form. The scene unfolds where he shows up ready, in his fighting gi, and helps to take out the Frieza forces; but he's taking Frieza very causally, too casually. He doesn't believe Frieza could have bridged the tremendous gap in power in such a short amount of time so he confronts the tyrant, and promptly gets completely manhandled. In the midst of the beatdown, Frieza - still not having bothered going beyond his first form - tells Gohan that he's no different from how Frieza thought of himself on Namek: that he's above everyone. But that unlike Frieza, Gohan should know better. In Gohan's mind, he might as well be five years old again: hopelessly outclassed and incapable of doing anything but hoping and praying that his father arrives in time to save him and everyone else. He can't help but wonder how he got this way: did he allow himself to think that he was still prepared to step into the role of a defender of Earth? After seeing things like Beerus and the Super Saiyan God he was still foolhardy enough to think that he was up to snuff? It really could have sown the seeds for him to go on a journey of self-discovery and self-affirmation. Getting Piccolo's help but then the Namekian telling him that he can only take Gohan so far in this regard, and that he should seek out someone who has, and to some extent is, still dealing with these kind of mental hangups: Vegeta. And despite Gohan's own reluctance, once the universe itself is on the line, he has that heart-to-heart with Vegeta, and out of that grows to be a better, wiser, more capable person. That would have really been a tremendous arc. If only.

@franciscopuentes6049

7 ай бұрын

Amen baby

Great video. Since the Cell saga, I’ve always thought the most underused relationship in Dragon Ball is Gohan and Vegeta‘s. The two have known each other since Gohan's first battle and then became allies only after he surpassed him. I’m hoping we see something in the next manga arc but I'm not holding my breath