You paid them for years, and They are using your work to train their ai and later sell product that will replace you.

@benshakespeare268

18 күн бұрын

💯

@user-ft2md2gd4s

17 күн бұрын

exactly. what a despicable move.

@paullee1792

15 күн бұрын

Ordinary people should be moved to Open Source. No licence fee.

@esphilee

15 күн бұрын

@@paullee1792 , yep, but do try to donate, especially if you are doing business with it.

Adobe is a horrible company. The more people that leave it’s ecosystem, the better.

@HickoryDickory86

18 күн бұрын

We need not just people but especially BUSINESSES to leave their ecosystem, and to start offering services that accommodate alternatives.

@glennhughes5088

15 күн бұрын

Are you saying Adobe is a horrible company just because they're , using paying creator custmers material to produce images or content with Adobe AI products?

@vidworxsfx

4 күн бұрын

@@glennhughes5088 All of the above and then some.

Everyone should fill their Adobe Cloud with AI generated images of 9 fingered hands. Fight AI with AI.

@ReginaldVandeVelde

16 күн бұрын

Good one!

@vidworxsfx

15 күн бұрын

6 fingers I usually see 6 fingers a dead giveaway of AI LOL

@downey6666

9 күн бұрын

Isn't there a "poison" you can embedd into images?

@MrGamer1992

9 күн бұрын

There is a type of filter that you can place on your work that people will not be able to see but the AI will and it will end up poisoning the training data

@drumitar

5 күн бұрын

i put my but cheaks in adobe cloud.

Lets call it what it is -- IP theft.

to late... I ALREADY LEFT adobe.

@fallenleaf24

18 күн бұрын

I hope millions more do the same. I left them ages ago when the subscription model arrived.

@napalm5

18 күн бұрын

Smart move 👍

@yv4252

18 күн бұрын

Same here. Uninstalled all CC, cancelled all subscriptions and moved to Affinity Suite. Very happy with it.

@colur1987

18 күн бұрын

They wantet to give me 3 months free, i said no, delete my subscription and also my account, i deleted my account too…. And i switched to luminar 4 and i will buy luminar neo…

@kyounokuma

18 күн бұрын

@@colur1987 Same here. I checked a few days ago how they would handle me cancelling my CC subscription whcih ends this month. I just made my last payment to them in fact and my subscription renews in July. They offered me two months for free when I tried to cancel it. My guess, is that at the end of the two months of free service, I would be declared over a month into a new subscription plan which would be super expensive to cancel in August. I’m going to cancel my subscripton by the end of this month regardless of what ever offers they make.

Thank you artists, we don't need you anymore.

@glennhughes5088

15 күн бұрын

Hell they don't!

No company should licence contents without any compensation - it is always a payed thing in the creative field. Adobe went too far.

@Call_Me_Mom

18 күн бұрын

Realistically, you have to grant a license to any company which will be hosting your content. It is your responsibility to read the EULA and know how they are going to use that content and the EULA should specifically say for what purpose that license is being granted. If it is just because , legally they have to have it to display your content on their website, well and good. But, when they sneakily update their terms to claim more than that without letting you know, that's egregious.

@mm89_

16 күн бұрын

Meta have been doing this since eight years, nobody is quitting ig.

Just deleted my Behance account. I'm done with Adobe.

@LillySilver

18 күн бұрын

Doing the same here, deleting Behance account fully. Hope that they won't actually keep what was already uploaded though. Can't trust these companies, and now with AI, even less so.

@polystormstudio

17 күн бұрын

I would too, but I recently got a big client because he found me on Behance. They're responsible for half my income this year, possibly even more. They use Behance all the time to find talent.

@markm7411

17 күн бұрын

Yeah everyone should delete it

@epytaffskitchenstink

16 күн бұрын

I switched to Affinity, it's awesome. Thanks Adobe.

I cancelled my subscriptions today. The market needs to know that people should not be exploited like this to enhance technology that puts them out of a job, or destroys their business.

@nevvanclarke9225

18 күн бұрын

What because the software company decides that they don't want sexual abuse in the world that's why they did it

@johnmorrell

17 күн бұрын

@@nevvanclarke9225 yes, keep believing that.

@johnmorrell

17 күн бұрын

@@nevvanclarke9225 It's disingenuous to the victims of such abuse for Adobe to mask their ulterior motives behind such arguments.

@jeffkogler1170

16 күн бұрын

@@nevvanclarke9225 I have a bridge to sell ya

@MrDecessus

13 күн бұрын

The market is full of unstable greasy people who have no long term thinking. Logic is not their mo.

the ONLY thing they can do at this point is to offer Photoshop as an outright purchase.

@johnblair8146

18 күн бұрын

And their other products

@Hoobabakanda

18 күн бұрын

And for me, I won't purchase any more software with telemetry - only optional updates and optional cloud connectivity. Affinity and Krita have fit the bill nicely.

@tarinvernon7007

18 күн бұрын

good one

@GrapeParfait

18 күн бұрын

adobe customers can cancel their services and adobe can go out of business, thats what they can do

@robertdouble559

18 күн бұрын

That ain't happening. They're addicted to the crack of sub fees, and if they get it their way, stupidy infkated AI usage fees.

Yet: If someone steals Adobe’s intellectual work = lawsuit city. I love how corporate “america” sees everything and everyone as up for grabs if they can get away with it.

Ditched Adobe this morning; almost at the end of the subscription year so the fine could have been worse. Feels good.

@GordonRunklePhoto

18 күн бұрын

Same here.

@sla1xyz

18 күн бұрын

I think you can maybe get out of the fine, I saw a comment about someone contacting customer support and informing them it's illegal in their state, because they no longer agree to the terms and conditions and they can't force you to.

@Taruil

18 күн бұрын

You can avoid the subscription penalty ;P you just have to know how. All I say is switch your subscription to Photo Subscription, wait 1 hour and then simply cancel. It was working recently. The photo subscription is basically a new subscription that you can easily cancel within 14 or 7 days, I don't remember exactly.

@dsfs17987

18 күн бұрын

@@Taruil I did this exact thing yesterday, still worked

I officially ripped the bandage off today. No more Adobe after 30+ years. Affinity is great and Moho and Motion can fill in for After Effects. Feels good. (FYI Affinity cut their suite of products by 50% .Only 82 bucks for all 3 and no subscription. I think this was in response to folks leaving Adobe. )

@007Yasir

18 күн бұрын

And DaVinci Resolve for motion graphics.

@mattc3510

18 күн бұрын

Have fun using products that limit you to 2005 technology. Well adobe uses will do what you do two times faster. Because of AI. 😂

@sadiemakesmesmile

18 күн бұрын

@@mattc3510have fun not getting paid for anything you create … ❤

@richardhall5489

18 күн бұрын

@@mattc3510 So faster = better?

@otiniano

17 күн бұрын

@@richardhall5489 gets you the job done in less time, money saved for clients, more opportunities to get more work

The problem with the Adobe Stock situation is that I and many others uploaded our images way back when it was called "Fotolia" There was no such thing as AI images then. Adobe then purchased Fotolia. There was no way yo opt in or out of AI training because there was no such thing. But Adobe trained on those images anyway.

@joaocardoletto

18 күн бұрын

That is insane. Using stock photo material to train the Firefly algorithm is like Disney cloning Harrison Ford’s voice for free just because they have the rights to his acting in a couple of movies. AI is obviously a completely different way to profit from images compared to mere stock photo usage. Data training should require a new agreement. This is the biggest corporate scam of our age.

@sadiemakesmesmile

18 күн бұрын

@@joaocardoletto I think that’s what happened to Scarlett johansen … she denied them permission to use her voice and they did it anyway from her films…

@Innesb

18 күн бұрын

@@sadiemakesmesmile No, ‘they’ didn’t. ‘They’ hired a voice actress who sounds like her.

Blog post is not a legal document.

@Crick2x9

18 күн бұрын

THIS ☝🏽

It almost does not matter what Adobe says at this point, their reputational damage is done and no matter their intentions, will always be suspect going forward

@glennhughes5088

15 күн бұрын

OK, but is this the industry accepted ripoff we don't know about? You might say that doesn't matter. Adobe doesn't have the right to steal our work even though it's hidden and protected by legal BS.

@vidworxsfx

4 күн бұрын

The whole sub thing is insane this must stop now the min they went to sub all should have left. So now we need to catch up by having most leave now as other companies keep making subs as well because we let them get away with it, so this really needs to end completely. Programs which is what they are, call them what you like shouldn't be thought of as a service period the only things that I consider a service are AV, Cable, Streaming and only those type should ever be considered as a monthly yearly fee everything else should have a perpetual lic. They are rally just known for buying out companies just for the sake of crushing competition, don't trust them as far as one can throw them.

We should all cancel and come back on the condition of pay-to own model. All users should stand up and say no to subscription greedy services.

@garretreed9709

16 күн бұрын

they just ask for $400 per software

@kagyubeef2482

12 күн бұрын

Yeah, I think we should just cancel and never come back. Alternatives to Adobe are plentiful now, and they are amazing

@GrapeParfait

9 күн бұрын

Everyone should cancel their adobe subscriptions and use something else. FTFY

Several times I said I was going to quit Adobe but I never did. This time I finally did it. If they threaten you with some additional charges in order to leave, just tell them you'll cancel the credit card and that you will forward their email to business authorities. That did the trick for me.

@sadiemakesmesmile

18 күн бұрын

They are so slimy… I was in the half price plan cause I’m a teacher and when the year was up they automatically renewed it to the full price version …no update or asking for permission. When I fought it she said if I sign up again she will refund me the extra paid and never did!!’

@dsfs17987

18 күн бұрын

or you can switch to any other plan of theirs, which automatically cancels your old plan with no fine, and then you have 14 days to cancel the new plan, to put it simply - switch your current plan to anything else, wait 5-10 minutes so it is updated at their end, and then go ahead and cancel the new plan with zero fines or extra costs, the cost of the new plan is also refunded

@Stuntman707

18 күн бұрын

It’s illegal to charge a cancellation fee in my country.

@Dave102693

17 күн бұрын

I would of canceled them years ago if they didn’t charge me 200$ for me to do that.

@jaegerschtulmann

16 күн бұрын

It’s easier than that, just change your plan, then you have a 14 day grace period to cancel. 😂 no penalty charged

Thank Kevin for being HONEST & COURAGEOUS to speak out against Adobe's SHADY practice. What I LOVE the MOST is at 6 minutes into your video, you show Adobe is lying when they say they don't use their customers' contents to train Firefly but they do. The saddest thing is as of today June 14th, 2024, approximately ONLY 12 KZreadrs including you have spoken out against Adobe. One of the reasons is, I believe, the users have to find alternative apps that work for them. Many of them now use Luminar Neo or Capture One instead. They are not perfect but they have perpetual license and subscription plans.

Adobe has the worse customer support I’ve ever encountered.

FYI: I am another one that left 4 months ago from Adobe and not for the ML/AI ...just because they became too greedy and aggressive with prices, services and policies. Furthermore they do CRAZY AMOUNT OF TELEMETRY all the time. Try to add a firewall and check that.

"...Adobe does not scan your local content..." That is another lie. Guess what happens every time you use Photoshop tools that are AI based? Yeah, they have to scan whatever it is that you are working, even locally, at that time.

@MaxStArlyn

16 күн бұрын

But what if you are working while you’re disconnected from the internet?

JUST SAY NO to overpriced subscription models

Just cancelled my subscription! 😜

Machine Learning is the House Generative AI lives in. It's nicely veiled wording 😉

@StudioBuilder

18 күн бұрын

Truth!

@AdamTwardoch

17 күн бұрын

What's the veiled wording exactly? The term "Machine Learning" had existed for 20+ years, and Adobe had been using ML for many many years (how else would you get one-click masking?). "Generative AI" is a relatively new term, in widespread use for perhaps two years now.

@carolinas8886

15 күн бұрын

It is a pity “ML” also covers generative AI, isn’t it?

I 100% agree with your perspective. I’m disappointed in Adobe, what ever contemplating of returning to Adobe has left me.

This time, their actions are truly underhanded! The examples they provide in their updated terms of use are far from clear and REALLY INSIDIOUS! I have NO INTENTION of sharing ANY of my photos with Adobe… NOT A SINGLE ONE to use them! Their model training methods or ... "improvements" are of no concern to me. They really gota come up with new ways to train their models, instead of snooping around and taking photos without paying a dollar! The whole thing is not just unclear, it’s downright wrong, and it’s a clear invasion of our creations and photos! It’s like they’re forcing people to give up their personal uploaded photos, which is pretty much like STEALING AND in some way even SPYING... PERIOD!

If you’re still paying Adobe to abuse you, you’re a chump! Find someone else that will treat you better.

Adobe is bloatware. I ditched it years ago.

@VirendraBG

18 күн бұрын

What alternative you are using?

@VirendraBG

18 күн бұрын

What you are using now?

@leonidas14775

18 күн бұрын

Gimp isn't so bad once you figure out most stuff is hidden under Windows> Dockable Dialogs

@ytskt

17 күн бұрын

Spyware + Ransomware would be more appropriate.

Nobody is mentioning the part in the T&Cs where they get to use all your stuff for whatever they want whenever they want to.

This is such an important topic. Thank-you for this vid and the others on this matter! Could not agree with you more that we should have the right to "Opt-in" rather than having to "Opt-out". Adobe was busted pure and simple. No amount of back-pedaling on "updating their trems" will change that. I know for a fact they were using Adobe Contributors content to train Firefly. Before it came out of beta, I received a pttance of a payment from Adobe stating it had used my content for "training purposes". They DID NOT specify which images or how many. Adobe's so called "transparency" is a joke! Currently I'm deleting content from my contributor account. As it stands now, eight newspaper publishers are suing Microsoft and OpenAI over copyright infringement. It's only a matter of time before Adobe finds itself on the chopping block with a Copyright Infringement lawsuit - and I hope it's a biggie!

@sadiemakesmesmile

18 күн бұрын

God I hope so, they think they are invincible!

@tarwod1098

17 күн бұрын

If they say they used your content without specification it's very likely they mean ALL of it 😮

Where are the Adobe extended manufactures stance, the ones who make presets and plugins, that work on Adobe products. They can't stay silent, as they've cost Adobe users $ thousands of dollars.

Thank you for the update info. Good stuff and sharing the news.

I’m still using PS CS6 and LR 5 desktop that I purchased when the subscription model was first announced. I didn’t want to pay to play on a continued basis. It seems that I have another reason to be glad I did. I also use the Affinity 2.x suite of desktop products as well.

@michaeldahl3322

18 күн бұрын

Same... CS6 Indesign, Photoshop + Affinity Photo and Designer (way better than Illustrator) and Davinci Resolve for video editing.

@ytskt

17 күн бұрын

Same. Used Adobe for 16 years and stopped with CS6. Didn't pay a single penny to them after that. It was very difficult but looking back, it was worth it.

@addisonzoraoffical

17 күн бұрын

PS CS5, hobbyist.

@toad1971

5 күн бұрын

Same here. Still using CS6 and also using Painter 2023. Still using Windows 10 and not sure what will happen next year when support for Windows 10 ends. I guess I'll have to unplug my PC from the internet to avoid any future problem for any future Windows 10 vunerabilities so I can keep using CS6. Hopefully all still works for a while. I know that few people use Painter anymore but its a mostly great program for digital painting - I love it compared to Photoshop. Its expensive however. Also worried its going to be discontinued as there was no new Painter released last year or this year. I also have Clip Studio on my PC but never really learned to use it. But Clip Studio may very well be my main program in the future.

@ytskt

5 күн бұрын

@@toad1971 Do you really think windows 10 support would end next year? Many relatively new PCs isn't supported by Windows 11.

In my Product Improvement option in PhotoShop, the language appears to be to me opt in "Yes, I'd like to participate" -- is there somewhere else I should be looking?

That is insane. Using stock photo material, even if Adobe paid for the images, to train the Firefly algorithm is like Disney cloning Harrison Ford’s voice for free just because they have the rights to his acting in a couple of movies. AI is obviously a completely different way to profit from images compared to mere stock photo usage. Data training should require a new agreement. This is the biggest corporate scam of our age.

Great catch. Well done.

Yes, they're very emphatic that they don't own your work. The problem is that if they give themselves every right that YOU have as the owner (including sublicencing it to other people), it's a distinction without a difference. They're claiming DE FACTO ownership to your work, then splitting hairs by saying that they don't "own" your work.

They didn’t take back the part saying screen you’re cloud files to see if you are doing anything illegal, the policing part

Adobe is losing the ai arms race. They are quickly realizing that the tiktok/ipad generation do not need their tools. To combat this they have jumped head-first into the ai “revolution.” It’s ironic that, over the past year (or more), adobe has been using their stock content to train their ai which will, inevitably, eliminate those artists that have been faithful contributing for years. The bottom line is all that matters anymore. Out of all the image-generator ai companies, it seems that adobe has been the most transparent. That’s not saying a lot but at least they are trying to be somewhat ethical. Companies like midjourney and dall-e don’t even give a crap. They straight-up stole every image they could scrape from the internet to use for their training models. Don’t even possibly know how they’re even getting away with it. But whatever.

@bladesofdestiny

18 күн бұрын

Yep all that theft yet law makers are silent

@dharmaram7527

18 күн бұрын

Exactly! Bring back public shaming for those that openly use mid journey, dall-e and others. People need to be shamed for openly supporting content stealing Ai programs!

@tarwod1098

17 күн бұрын

Yeah, this stuff is just digusting 😢

So, I prepaid for 1 year off Lightroom mobile not quite 2 months ago. Since i did this through Google Play, what are my options for cancelling? Bought full Affinity suite full license for cheap. But what's the LR replacement for Mac, Windows, and Android? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you for sharing your video explaining this issue. Request you to continue to upload such videos to address the concerns of the creative community. 🙏🏽

Adobe definitely will learn from this. They learned not to publicly announce this stuff in the future. They'll just do it without permission.

Can't you do the same preference on Lr settings? Thanx for all your time and knowledge!!

how do you know they don't use it anyway?

"We should have the option to OPT IN" yeah man, I am sick of all these services forcing our content and art into their AI. Well said!

As I understand it, in legal contracts, ‘the inclusion of one is the exclusion of all others’. If you say ‘including’, you are limited to the list you give, unless you expand the list by saying ‘and others’ or ‘but not exclusively’ or similar terminology, in the list. For more info, look up ‘Legal Maxims’

I semi-retired from my print, graphics and image editing business nearly 4 years ago. I stopped supporting the Mac in 1993 and dropped Adobe with CS 5.5 in 2014. I still do quite a bit of image editing for clients and much more for my own photography.

I am also waiting for the updated terms, and will not open my adobe programs before, so I don‘t have to agree. But yeah since I have an adobe portfolio, that is still pretty frustrating. I guess I have to build a new website.

im confused. i don't upload anything to ANY cloud based service. my stuff is old school, desktop , backup drives. should i even worry? I could swear i have zero files on the cloud since i just edit lightly and save as on desktop. am i missing something or am i okay?

I started making jiff's of my edited photos and I am going to to be leaving heading to affinity photo, and Nikons own software. There is no way you can really opt out even after using those little toggle buttons, in your cloud account, if you opt out there. Under that is a box showing apps you have agreed to to allow Adobe to access your files, it says revoke here. If you try that it says your account will be closed. So there is no way to really opt out and they also say any photos they have will also retain on their servers. We all need to file complaints with the FTC

They have. Ansel Adam's Trust just confronted them on X on generative content being displayed on Adobe Stock - as recently as June 5th.

imo changing the license on an existing product is a crime. If the government made drivers licenses more expensive, I shouldn't have to pay the additional amount if I already own a drivers license, for example. When I purchased a product (or a license, as it is nowadays) I purchased it with the license and agreements of that time. Just as you can't punish someone now for something that wasn't illegal back then, I think you can't change a license on an existing product.

Thank you, great content. I was wondering if sharing on Behance was an issue and now I have the answer to that.

Great video! So smart to have a look at the stock markets, such valuable insights. Totally agree with you on this one: we shouldn't have to opt out on this. Opt out should the default setting. Dark patterns, I hate it.

Can they be taken to court on this. I use Illustrator and Photoshop and when i go to save as the clouds options are all checked. I did not ask the software to green check those options. Until now i never understood why are those boxes directed to cloud when i never saved to cloud. Can someone please explain this, im late to the conversation my apology.

Adobe: " We wouldn't do that .... Trust us bro...."

@bladesofdestiny

18 күн бұрын

Mircosoft recall trust us bro, apple open ai build in macs trust us bro, meta not letting users opt out trust us bro, google ai Gemini, trust us bro, to save yourself being robbed ditch adobe, ditch meta, protect your work with with software like photoguard by MIT, glaze, and Nightshade. Also screw open ai for massive theft. Also for music, ui, books, video, and code I hope tools come out soon to protect those fields.

Seriously what’s the difference between using images as they see fit, and owning images? Between them using my car as they see fit and them owning my car?

Subscription based services have gone to far, and that is the #1 reason I quit Adobe (along with many other subscriptions i have found I can live without or replace).

Question. What’s your opinion on… If you opt out of your content used for AI. Should your version of Adobe software restrict you from using those AI features.

Challenger is 1986. One of the very few dates I remember, bc it pops up in questions all the time

Opting us in by default should be grounds for a class-action law suit. How long does it take before the 'opt out' kicks in with regards to our content? Is our work immediately processed until we update and opt out? Is our work removed from those aggregates after the opt out is activated, or does the opt out only apply to works after the choice is made? So many questions, so little clarity. After almost a fifteen years of working with Adobe software, I'm presently looking for replacements and a way to extricate myself from their services in their entirety. I hope my industry decides to 'opt out' of using Adobe's software starting immediately.

Look at their stock price. They have begun buying it back themselves!

Having stopped using adobe for affinity a while back, I love seeing what's happening

Thank you for this important information.

This is no different then when a boss asks you to train the new guy just so you can be fired later and the new guy takes over your position......

@Anita95_original

18 күн бұрын

When a boss takes your tools, your clothes and throws you out on the street and sells it to others, then...

To suggest that Morton Thiokol was THE cause of Challenger ignores the bureaucratic nightmare and the associate chain of mistakes that really is to blame.

@StudioBuilder

17 күн бұрын

It was definitely the O rings.

As an painter in oil I often use photos I take and edit them in Photoshop At 82 and some medical issues I cannot get out to spend the time to paint outdoors anymore. I do not use the Cloud, or Firefly, or Generative Fill, Be hance or any of those things. My photos are stored on my personal computer. So as silly as this question might be, my age needs to clarify to make sure I understand. Does Adobe look at and possibly use my content> I paint landscapes and sometimes add figures or people ot an animal somewhere in the painting. I still do my editing the old way since it is what I know even though I rent the latest Photoshop an I never use Lightroom. I look forward to your answer at your convince. Thanks

Thank you. We need more people like yourself to speak up.!

Every where you upload or transfer data through is using your data and information to train ML/AI models. Your raw storage, your email, info collected. Adobe is one of the first to attempt to be more transparent about it and laymen everywhere got all spun up. The ignorant are happier being ignorant when this is hidden in vague terminology on TOS for almost every single application and service in existence today. Without even having the ability to opt out in a lot of cases almost none as easily as Adobe is trying to make it. I say this as a C1 and DR user. I also say this as someone that has worked in Data/Information Management and Governance for 25 years.

@haroldhirs

18 күн бұрын

The difference is that many of the services you mention are free, you are paying for Adobe and it is not cheap, you have to be stupid if you accept those terms of service

@jeremiblurton_yt

18 күн бұрын

@@haroldhirs No nearly every paid service as well especially those that are 'online', use other services, cloud-based, etc. For example he mentions Squarespace and their ToS is very similar to some of the complaints he has with Adobe's. It uses examples and not all inclusive lists (legally impossible fwiw)., opt out instead of by default, etc. "When you upload content to Squarespace, you still own it. You do, however, give us permission to use it in ways necessary to provide, improve, promote and protect our services. For example, when you upload a photo, you give us the right to save it and display it on your site or story at your direction. We also may promote or feature your site or story, but you can opt out if you don’t want us to do that." That's setting aside that free isn't really free. You are usually paying in some regard.

@thum-nales

18 күн бұрын

This in no way is an "an attempt to be more transparent about it." The methods of disclosure are either flat out required by ongoing and increasing oversight of the industry in various jurisdictions or, much more often at the moment, as a buttress against anticipated legal vulnerability in possible, and increasingly more likely, lawsuits and court rulings. Courts are very erratic and inconsistent in how these terms of service get interpreted and enforced and the industry has, in the 40 years I've been around it and the 25 years I've worked in it, generally tried hard to keep their "user agreements" and "terms of service" agreements out of the court room unless they feel they have no other choice in the matter. But one of the areas where these agreements have been most vulnerable, beyond questionably even meeting the legal definition of a contract, is when changes get made and the changes are hidden, buried, or otherwise made very difficult to even know what they are. This is even more the case when the terms are spread over many, many, different linked documents and those documents don't actually say consistent things. I suspect that Adobe is trying to simplify their legal terms and agreements to cover as many things the same way as possible given how different their agreements have been between products and services. I also suspect they are very much trying to create as vague a language as possible that still can reasonably be considered, in a court of law, to have been sufficient to support their claim that the users of the products and services agreed to allow Adobe to do what they are doing. But they can't bury the lead and hide those terms away if they have any hope of actually surviving court scrutiny. Very few people read these terms because there is no point in reading them. You can't negotiate any of the terms as a typical user, the terms often have little clarity on what they actually mean ... even to a lawyer let alone a layman ... because they are written to be as vague as possible and include no redlining process, and many professionals often have specific contractual or marketplace requirements that make not agreeing to the terms an impractical and dangerous decision. But what is happening is that we have moved from "software user" models to "software service" models that have exposed creators to all sorts of behind the scenes analysis shenanigans that very few had any idea even could be done let alone was being done. These companies do not clarify what they do with your data and only clarify what they don't do when it is too costly to them to not declare it (either through market pressures or legal exposure). I've worked in the IT world for a long time and even my peers, with specialized training and skills, in no way saw twenty years ago that we would end up where we are now. When I was being trained in AI decades ago we couldn't do, even an great cost, what anybody can do now just with an internet connection. In the past five years regular folks have come to see, firsthand, impossible things become possible and then become readily available. It doesn't have to be this way. These companies doing these things don't have to do it this way. They could easily, and explicitly, reach out to artists and offer them compensation, even royalties, for being able to analyze and make use of their life's work just as any other consumer of that work might be expected to pay for it. But they don't. They don't because they feel they can't because if they did they would fall behind everybody else in the market that isn't asking either. This entire industry is in a complete hellhole of hypocrisy right now as it races forward, as fast as it can, to steal as much as possible while they still can because history makes clear that in new markets getting there first is what matters and apologizing later is the most sound business choice. I have no idea how all of this plays out but I know for a fact that these models leaves breadcrumbs everywhere on where the data comes from and who they took it from. In one extreme world, they win and nobody cares. On the other extreme world the "formerly happy, but now aware and enraged, ignorants" succeed in extracting every ounce of profit up to, and including, the destruction, and banning, of billions of dollars worth of time, data, and models that were built, in part, from plundered materials that never needed to be stolen in the first place. Only time tells, of course, but in no way is Adobe being unfairly punished for just trying to do the right thing. They are being punished because they are trying secure the wrong thing as something they, with a few updates to a few documents, get the legal cover to do. All while still decrying anybody out there that would dare steal any of their product or service from them. Me? I'm neither ignorant nor unaware. But I am tired of all of this corporate sociopathy. And, yes, after a long time coming I have in fact terminated my relationship with Adobe and their services.

@jeremiblurton_yt

18 күн бұрын

@@thum-nales That's odd. I've worked in tech for 25 years aned 20 years ago we were already having this discussion. You must not work in a space in our industry that actually deals with this more head on. Might want to start terminating your accounts with everyone then. Like I mentioned to the other person that replied, everyone does this and provided an example from Squarespace's. This has been the norm for decades starting with basic web hosting and early social media. Reaching out to every artist and offering compensation is a non-sense approach. Most artists work is worth fractions of pennies if they are lucky for this type of use. This isn't about finding quality art. The work is aggregated with other data into models. After that their images, videos,, whatever, might even be eliminated. Additionally, bringing new features cost money, cloud compute cost money, but users consistently want more anr more for free. Adobe ran into this with subscriptions, The ignorant masses threw a hissy fit and wanted lifetime or one-time licenses.....while still demanding upgrades, support and new features. Everybody wants to make a profit and there isn't anything inherently wrong with that. Is there some greed in the industry, sure. If you think Adobe is even near the top of the worst you haven't been payiong attention. Adobe didn't have to do this. There isn't anyone updating and clarifying lanuage this way. The updates weren't hidden from anyone, they are available in release notes and updates to ToS and everyone notified when it happens. People do what they always do and happily click away. Adobe took a risk doing this. We know this because almost no one else is putting themselves out there with clarifying languages. Most are still using broad language in their ToS that allows them to use your content just like is being complained about. YT's web darling Squarespace (which I use and no problem with): "2.2. Your License To Us. When you provide User Content via the Services, you grant Squarespace (including our third party hosting providers acting on our behalf) a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferable right and license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works of (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that User Content works better with the Services), communicate, publish, publicly display, publicly perform and distribute User Content for the limited purposes of allowing us to provide, improve, promote and protect the Services. This Section does not affect any rights you may have under applicable data protection laws."

@Window4503

18 күн бұрын

Not sure the “ignorant” are happy being ignorant. More like the overwhelmed and overworked don’t have the time or energy to read every TOS agreement. It annoys me when people say “the masses don’t care about the Internet/whales/climate change/dying kids/etc.” because nobody can humanly care about everything at once and constantly do the right thing that will satisfy everyone else. Not everyone is trying to be ignorant. If you care about this niche, fight for what’s right, but cut the rest of us some slack. We probably think you’re ignoring other important issues.

I left Adobe after 10 years and boom now they falling apart.

Do you have a list of adobe alternatives that you recommend?

@StudioBuilder

7 күн бұрын

Video coming this week.

I see many people saying in the comments that they have deactivated their account. Amazing! I would like to do that too. But are there any other options as good as Lightroom or Photoshop? Would love to explore other options. I appreciate your videos and how you have been helping a community.

@StudioBuilder

17 күн бұрын

Capture One Pro is significantly better than Lightroom. I picked up Affinity Photo and it comes close but definitely not as robust as Photoshop.

This is an eye-opener for consumers who don't want to read the terms and conditions of the contract and just click "ok". Adobe took advantage of this and foun out it was a BAD idea...

In the transition right now away. Gathering the pieces and adjusting pipeline.

@HaraldSeiwert

18 күн бұрын

Are there affordable alternatives for Photoshop, Premiere? Anything you would recommend to someone totally oblivious to software developments 🙄

They need to be forced to go back to the perceptual license model. Their greed caused many companies to adopt the subscription model where they give you one version of software and sometimes never update it.

Got to assume that when you put your material in the cloud (ie. someone else's computer) they're gonna look at it.

Adobe basically said “look, we only train machine learning and AI on licensed, public, or voluntary, content… we just so happen to have also given ourselves a (unpaid) license to all of your content”They already were, they still are, and they will always, be sneaky in how they go about using your content. So glad I left Adobe when they moved to their subscription model back in 2013.

PetaPixel has some great insight on this with their latest video. Adobe employees left in droves a while back including their PR departments

Thanks for sharing. I only use lightroom classic and premiere pro. Does this affect those apps as well? Even if doesn’t, ill probably cancel my subscription just on principle.

the Challenger debacle was in January 1986.

Last one,t hey won’t updated paragraph 4.2 they keep skipping over that one in all their heart felt apologies

Adobe has responded in the comments on their IG page that they will be addressing the community with another update on June 18th.

@StudioBuilder

18 күн бұрын

Yes, I mentioned that in this video.

Could someone explain what people mean when they say "Adobe were doing things quietly" and it took "digging into the terms of service" to discover it? Does this mean that people generally aren't reading the terms for the services they use? And do people think that it's Adobe's fault that people don't read the terms? I'm in the dark here.

I''ve had trust issues with Adobe for a while.. I went ahead and bought the full Affinity V2 License. A very viable Photoshop alternative. It can't do absolutely everything but for me it will probably be more than I need. Unfortunately I can't really do without Lightroom, or can I?

Never bought into Adobe's subscription model, and struggled for a long time to find alternatives. Today I feel like C1 and Affinity are good enough to be viable editing tools. I also still have an old (legal) perpetual license of of Photoshop on an old Mac Pro that is not connected to the internet. I have fine art images that I created years ago that still sell, and I use the older software to be able to print them as I intended them to look years ago. Shame on Adobe.

9:23 "Examples are not limitations. An example is one out of many possible uses." THANK YOU! Big pet peeve when people misunderstand or misrepresent what an example is. Also, F Adobe.

Adobe owes all those who've spent $ thousands of dollars on Adobe products PLUGINS and PRESETS, TEXTURES and other add ons, and the manufacturers of those add ons an apology and possibly some recompense.

I cancelled my subscription and deleted my Adobe account last week, but just checked my Behance and it was still live. Not any more..

I'm glad there are people like you to alert us about these dubious tactictical companies.

I cancelled my account yesterday (Photoshop/Lightroom). However the current subscription had ended and I probably would have cancelled anyway. I'm not a pro and was rarely using either app anyway. Interesting that there was no incentive to remain for another year.

If they are using customer product for their own purposes they should have to pay for it.

It's like those IBM devs in the 2000's being forced to train their overseas replacements, except this time round you pay Adobe for the privilege of training your replacement. Also anyone waiting on the terms update, be aware you already gave Adobe the house keys, unless they specifically return those keys to you they're still signed away. Finally your data may not be used to train the a Generative AI by Adobe, is it used to train any AI against which the Generative AI is tested? Is it used to train any of any filter AIs that scan the Generative AI output for defects? Are they allowing other companies to use that data to train Generative AI? The standard here needs to be very clear "if we ever want to use your data in any way or for any purpose other than one you specifically requested while using our products we will contact you in advance and negotiate and pay an acceptable price for using your work". That's the only reasonable standard.

I’m attempting to get in the industry and I’m going to be going back for an Associate in media, I’m concerned I’ll go in and either she whole degree will get trashed because of this or I’ll learn something I will never even use. I got adobe pirated without creative cloud but I’m concerned this is going to shake the whole industry to the core and we’ll be out of luck.

For people that think that they are safe because they left. If your work is online it is or WILL be stolen.

Thank you for the illumination. I'd never be aware without smart guys like you.

When they have to formally state that “in no case do these license grants transfer ownership of your content to Adobe”, there’s already the sign that something is smelling badly in the company-customer relationship. And trust is not something that someone re-earns easily or quick. Especially when there are different very good alternative products out there, and they cost a lot less. Adobe has always been an enterprise biased company, meaning that their main customers have always been enterprises. Private clients always had to pay Adobe’s price or look elsewhere. How are these enterprises considering now these TOCs? And Kevin is right, it should not be the customer’s responsibility to opt out.

@belindaroadley

18 күн бұрын

Saying that the TOS doesn't transfer ownership is an utterly empty statement. Sure, they're allowing you keep ownership of your own work (how generous), but you're allowing THEM to use your work in any way they see fit. You're owning your work in name only.

Abode could put in a clear simple statement that your content would not be used to train any AI alogo. BUT they do not and refuse to do so. You are exactly right what are the actual limits. The TOS cloaks thrm it a vague general verbage that Adobe can get away with anything. Why Adobe need to force user to agree to a sublicense agreement?

I canceled my Creative Cloud subscription 3 weeks ago after being an Adobe and Macromedia customer for over 25 years...

The thing about stock prices is this: If you put your _customers_ first, if you listen to _them_ and provide for _their_ wants and needs, then your stock price will take care of itself and your investors will be happy. But the moment you put your investors first, you've lost the plot and eventually no one will be happy. So, this all has an easy fix! But Adobe has been on the completely wrong trajectory for so long, they have no idea what a "customer," properly defined, even is anymore.