"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." -William Adama-

@ablemagawitch

4 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@Armann_

2 жыл бұрын

Wise words.

@SuperSnakePlissken

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like USA under the Biden Regime.

@OpenGL4ever

10 ай бұрын

That's why you separate the executive and the judiciary.

I think on the one hand he was telling Saul this because he needed to tell someone about it after going through the stock of it all but ended up treating it like a joke so that Saul doesn't report it and he's really afraid of Cain and wouldn't want her to know he's being spilling his guys to Adama's number two.

@charlesneely

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the chief of the boat man of the Pegasus he got a battlefield promotion not what he was looking forward to not like that because he knew he would be next he didn't have no choice in the matter man she could have arrested him at the MPS put them in the brick but in situation like that in the heat of combat she had to make an officer discretion she had to set an example that she did it without no hesitation. After all the government had fallen she wouldn't be persecuted for it the entire colonial government was gone so as captain of the boat she was both governor and military officer she was a piece of s*** anyway but it really didn't matter she was the commander of the boat

2:42 This is the censored scene. When Admiral Cain shoots this fellow in the face, behind his head explodes on the tactical chart.

Ro Laren shoots the Goa'Uld Camulus ^^

@Lazyguy22

5 жыл бұрын

As related to Dick Cheney by Glenn Beck.

@DartLuke

4 жыл бұрын

She is really gone mad after she left Enterprise. Picard didn't train her well

@estudiordl

3 жыл бұрын

A Nietzschean can never be trusted... 😉

@DazedN7

Ай бұрын

​@@estudiordl I understood that reference!

Steve Bacic likes to play XOs who get killed by their commander before the show really begins.

@missinginaction2b

3 жыл бұрын

In Andromeda, he actually returned as the grandson that XO.

@Armann_

2 жыл бұрын

Lol why is this hilarious to read.

"Hey, I'm in Andromeda!" _shot by Dilan Hunt_ "Hey, I'm in Galactica!" _shot by Helena Cain_ "Why, God!" _stabbed by Lucifer_ "Fuck it! I'm done"

as much as this spesific character pissed me off. you just couldn't help but understand her Choices. she was however criminally insane but it might have been exactly what the crew of pegasus needed during the beginnings of the war. Michelle Forbes is one of the actresses i've seen on battlestar galactica that seem to not got that many acting roles and it pisses me off because she truly is an amasing actress.

@antred11

8 жыл бұрын

"she was however criminally insane but it might have been exactly what the crew of pegasus needed during the beginnings of the war." Well, she was certainly not what humanity needed at that point. She was reckless to the point of collective suicide, and she willingly sacrificed all that was left of the civilian fleet (at least as far as she knew). Victory, even if it could have been achieved, is completely meaningless if the very thing the military was supposed to protect doesn't exist anymore. She was a total fuckwit and needed to go. I do agree about the actress, though. She _owned_ that role.

@JohnCollins

7 жыл бұрын

An example of a high functioning borderline. Says one thing, gets excited, does something impulsive and then doubles down. Becomes omnipotent and cannot be wrong. A closeted lesbian too.

@keyking2

7 жыл бұрын

Not forgetting what she did to that poor Cylon (forgot her name), whom she had a close connection to. Like, what kinda fucked up person justifies that.

@zachavery1883

6 жыл бұрын

Poor? Aint nothing poor with the cylons dude. They are the enemy. They pretty much destroyed all human life. Fuck the cylons. You are the reason why the Cylons destoyed humanity. Fucking liberal. "Poor Cylons, feel sorry for them bubu" fuck you

@danielschoch4881

5 жыл бұрын

aT 2.00 iTS THE FIRST TIME IN HER CAREER, that she didnt get her will. She has a confundesd expression. And only has one answer for it. Bitch

Saul's reaction to Fisk's laughter is hilarious

RIP Telemachus Rhade

@DarkNova50

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't feel too good to be on the receiving end, does it?!

Definition of a loose canon...

I'm a bit curious about two things here. 1. How did the Pegasus get out of that situation? It looked pretty terrible. 2. What rank was Mr. Belzen? If Cain was an Admiral and Fisk a Colonel, the only solution would be a Commander. The "real" Commander of that Battlestar, while Cain was a flag officer probably in command of a larger fleet (the other Battlestars that were docked at the shipyards perhaps), using Pegasus as her command ship. However, this could also be "Now you are in command, Admiral Piett"-situation, where she adressed Fisk with the rank she just promoted him to.

@sethungemach7054

3 жыл бұрын

Not to necro this, but wanted to answer your second question: Belzen was a Colonel and XO at the time. Fisk was a Lieutenant Colonel (still referred to as a Colonel), and was promoted to the full rank shortly after assuming the duties of XO. Supporting/secondary materials show that Cain was in command of Pegasus as a “prestige” position, but as a way to tuck her away

@SantomPh

2 жыл бұрын

1: she fought her way out with many casualties. She's lucky to have a Mercury class. 2: Belzen is a Colonel. In BSG there are a mix of Army, Navy and AirForce ranks. Tigh is an XO and a Colonel so Belzen is a Colonel as well . Fisk is second officer and a Lt Colonel. 3. Admirals tend to captain their flagship in this universe. The admiral whose ship shut down against the Cylons is an example.

I look at this scene and one thing in the middle of a battle Cain shot her XO then relive him as crew in shock over what happen they not focus allowed Cylons to land on there ship

She was a FAR cry from the flamboyant and often flippant Admiral Cain of the original BSG. He was like General George S. Patton of WWII fame. But he was not a murderer, only obsessed by his own legend. Helena Cain acts almost like this is a twisted, dark version of BSG. Like in Star Trek "Mirror Mirror" An Imperial Pegasus minus the Agony Booth. With an Imperial Admiral who stops at nothing to get the job done (murder and plunder included) If anything, it reinforced that Commander Adama was a good man trying to save the last of humanity. Cain lived up to the biblical equivalent of Cain and Abel when she tried to have Adama assassinated. Michelle Forbes played this version incredibly. Lloyd Bridges played the original BSG version.

@mitchellmelkin4078

3 жыл бұрын

Deathstrike, Well concurrently, Adama had Starbuck in position to do the same to Cain, so....

Good work to inter cut the two scenes! Cain was right to do what she did. They might all have been about to die anyway, especially so if she made the wrong decision.

@Shinonoiru

6 жыл бұрын

Thank's, you are the first one who talk about cutting the scenes! I like Helena Cain too, even so she could communicate a little more with her XO instead of killing him! I like her especially when i'm playing with her in the board game!

@Arctic_Fox_NFFC

6 жыл бұрын

What board game is this?!

@Nghilifa

6 жыл бұрын

Cain was in the wrong, and would have been court martialed. That's why her current XO says it's a joke, because if he hadn't, Tigh would have reported it (you all saw how shook he was, right?) to Adama.

Rhade had this coming. PAYBACK BIATCH!

XO looking at rack with Viper vision. THXOM HE DESERVED IT ^_^ Sir my Boyfriend fiancee dumped me, thats not a lovebite. 2.40 sets lethal.

fuckin' switch, we only want the shot scene !

One thing that bugs me about this scene is the omission that the Pegasus could manufacture their own Vipers and had much better onboard-training facilities than other Battlestars. Don't get me wrong, Cain is uncaringly ruthless here, potentially throwing away both her pilots and a couple good fighters. But it is callous in a "we have reserves" kind of way, and *not* suicidal, as the scene makes it out to be. Galactica could not sustain loosing their entire air wing - but Pegasus could, given enough time.

@sawyernorthrop4078

11 ай бұрын

Even if you interpret that to mean they could rebuild their air wing from nothing, not just replenish losses, they'd still be effectively defenseless while they rebuilt.

@45580677

10 ай бұрын

One thing over look is yes but not the actual people to man them without stripping from other vital areas

Doesn’t seem realistic. There are brigs and stuff for a reason.

@TheArbieo

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but she can't brig everyone who defies her. Bullets, on the other hand, are plentiful.

@ablemagawitch

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheArbieo and the intimidation is far more worse, of death here or possible death out there. Something something Stalingrade WW2 not one step back comrades....

@RenegadeShepTheSpacer

3 жыл бұрын

Realistic? Are you kidding me? You don't think it's realistic for megalomaniacal officers to murder their subordinates in times of great pressure in combat? Do yourself a favour and look up what the Soviets did to their own people routinely in Stalingrad.

@Quincy_Morris

3 жыл бұрын

@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer just seems like a good way to encourage mutiny and a complete violation of military protocol. It wasn’t done on the heat of the moment it was cold and calculated. Very cartoon villain which is out of place in the tone of this show. We never get a feeling that the humans are as bad as the soviets until specifically the Pegasus shows up and for some reason this ship in particular is crewed entirely by hitlers

@RenegadeShepTheSpacer

3 жыл бұрын

@@Quincy_Morris A violation of not only protocol, but also human rights. I agree with that, of course. But that isn't going to stop people from being led by fear. North Korea is a contemporary example of this in action. She's not cartoonish. This is a very plausible scenario - a military leader, who loses absolutely everything during the genocide of her species, snaps and becomes a cold-blooded, ruthless warlord. That isn't far-fetched whatsoever and fits in with the tone of the show perfectly, given how dark and gritty it is.

As a detached flag officer in time of war she has broad authority. She couldn't afford to carry a weak XO and needed to make an example to the crew of the level of fanaticism required in the fight against the enemy.

@voluntarism335

7 жыл бұрын

wtf there is no excuse for what she did, she should be the one executed

@audience2

7 жыл бұрын

Cain's actions after finding the human fleet protected by Galactica were the problem, not her focus on this mission which the Pegasus survived. Later under different circumstances she did not prioritise protecting the fleet. That was where she went wrong.

@TheDjbz

6 жыл бұрын

He was right though. Pegasus walked into a trap and she needlessly threw lives away. (Pegasus got boarded and they lost a LOT of people in this fight) Even though they “won” it was a waste of people and resources that she couldn’t afford. It was a miracle Pegasus survived long enough to stumble into Galactica. (Which she was barrelling towards in belief it was more cylons, even with the fleet which, on Dradis aren’t distinguishable from warships.) She had totally lost the plot. And if Fisk had had any balls he would’ve relieved her of command after she shot the XO, recalled and got the frak out of there. (The only positive to come from this attack was the exposure of the humanoid cylons)

@Quincy_Morris

4 жыл бұрын

audience2 that’s what brings are for. And strategy is not weakness. I’m surprised nobody shot her immediately.

@MrEcoho

4 жыл бұрын

@@Quincy_Morris kind of my thoughts seeing this cause yeah as a former NCO i can honestly say if i saw the commanding officer do that in that situation id have a hard time shooting her first.