Putting this comment here for discussion: Do you think Hans cheated over the board? If so... how? Do you think the way the media and the chess community has handled this is fair?

@rjfaber1991

Жыл бұрын

I just think that if you are going to be involved in a cheating scandal, whether guilty or not, you should probably work on your facial expressions and interview techniques to come off as slightly less sus...

@RinInABin

Жыл бұрын

Magnus was definitely a bit of a diva about it, cheating or no Big fan of the man but resigning after move 2 was kind of uncalled for

@john_voske

Жыл бұрын

It's just... Watching him in other matches playing strong but far from perfect, it's just a really tough buy. His match against Hans was absolutely perfect.

@philurbaniak1811

Жыл бұрын

Carlsen cheated by using his meta knowledge of Niemann's cheating to intentionally throw the game 🤷🏼‍♀️

@MikeBoyd

Жыл бұрын

I also think this has contributed to the media turning against him. Which is a shame as he is a chess player, not an actor.

“It was an honor losing to you.” “Please, the pleasure was all mine.”

@far2go375

Жыл бұрын

Up you go

@Weegeethegod69

Жыл бұрын

@Thatwasepic34 bot

@wind_traveler

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@malegria9641

Жыл бұрын

I’m getting the holy water

@TommyTheCow13

Жыл бұрын

@@malegria9641 don't forget the holy hand grenade

Winning that game of chess must have been a pain in the ass

@warau.exe2

Жыл бұрын

Lmao, underrated comment

@Yukki64_

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@yeetyeet7070

Жыл бұрын

it's probably been a pleasure

@zoikos2463

Жыл бұрын

Same.

@lykaeon8082

Жыл бұрын

And then you lose that game because stockfish got outplayed

I think the most logical solution would be that each competitor uses a standardized big buttplug that prevents them from inserting any unofficial buttplugs in their bumbums. This would level out the playing field tremendously.

@auliamate

Жыл бұрын

lmfaoo?????

@xleplayVA

Жыл бұрын

Or: mandatory mid-game anal inspections, public tsa style.

@IAmGodHimself777

Жыл бұрын

@@auliamate what?

@josephjoestar953

Жыл бұрын

There also needs to be a full-body strip search to make sure the standardized big buttplug is there.

@kevinrawding6730

Жыл бұрын

😂 fucking genius

I found this exact cheating chess device in my moms bedroom the other day. I still can't believe she's a cheater

@Tailspin80

Жыл бұрын

More cougar than cheetah.

@kingo5940

Жыл бұрын

@@Tailspin80 get out

@TuristaArcsi

Жыл бұрын

@@Tailspin80 loool😅😂

@CheshireCad

Жыл бұрын

No, no, don't be silly. That's just a sex toy. But the one your *dad* has is a cheating device. That's why it's the size of a soda can.

@Lightninglord12

11 ай бұрын

I don't think that's what it's for my guy

Okay, but we need a volunteer to REALLY test the device in the intended place.

@lewissmith5759

Жыл бұрын

I volunteer as tribute

@saigonrider

Жыл бұрын

reddit would be a nice place to find them

@TheOriginalIBT

Жыл бұрын

@@lewissmith5759 me too, wanna duel for the opportunity

@texillaa

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOriginalIBT Perhaps you two could sword fight.. if you know what i mean

@TheOriginalIBT

Жыл бұрын

@@texillaa i was thinking about a duel where our piss streams would meet and see whose is stronger, kind of like voldemort and harry potter in the movies

Part of me believed you were going to insert the "Thing"

@meme-hj5rs

Жыл бұрын

wondering what part of you was believing that

@patstaysuckafreeboss8006

Жыл бұрын

That’s how you make ‘em disappear huh, Chris?

@Kiiiyoshiii

Жыл бұрын

We all wanted to believe it.

@gamer9smith

Жыл бұрын

@@Kiiiyoshiii what do you mean by that

@ZEbelgiumfreak

Жыл бұрын

Deep down, I knew he wouldn't.

Referees in a few years: "Ok guys, this is an officially sanctioned tournament. You know what that means." **Fits glove**

@sakuranatsume6347

Жыл бұрын

Underrated

@TheRealScooterGuy

Жыл бұрын

If the stakes are high enough, someone could have a device surgically implanted.

@felix.mp3639

11 ай бұрын

@@TheRealScooterGuyalright guys *gets scalpel*

@UnicaLuce

11 ай бұрын

@@felix.mp3639 *pulls out xray machine* well guys, it's not gonna be any more different than your normal airport security check, but this time you're going to be the luggage

@kairatkempirbaev7183

3 күн бұрын

Now bend and cough.

I will refuse to believe ANY of the devices results until someone actually puts it in it's INTENDED SPOT

@MrCh0o

Жыл бұрын

@@mildlyinvested2992 I'm sorry, my version uses a 1.5m Bad Dragon dildo as a base, would that be a problem?

@mildlyinvested2992

Жыл бұрын

@@MrCh0o damn, you know about bad dragon? Mike Boyd's got some freak-a-leaks in his community, lol.

@heretichazel

Жыл бұрын

@@mildlyinvested2992 to be fair I think just knowing about their existence isn't too uncommon, it's actually owning their products that counts -totally not one of those people, nope-

@mildlyinvested2992

Жыл бұрын

@@heretichazel I wanna be one of those people, low-key. Sounds like fun, from what I've heard. -Which one do you have-

@auliamate

Жыл бұрын

@@mildlyinvested2992 LMFAO

Finally, SOMEONE was brave enough to show us how its done

@tomchandler5907

Жыл бұрын

not rlly - he just stuck it to his leg

@sameer209

Жыл бұрын

Not brave enough to put it in 🤣

@ColonelSandersLite

Жыл бұрын

@@sameer209 That's kind of a core problem with the general idea. You would have to have one hell of a poker face for this to work.

@sameer209

Жыл бұрын

@@ColonelSandersLite not if you're gay enough

@CrippleStick12

Жыл бұрын

I Did A Thing already did this, Mike just straight up copied his video.

I think having superglue directly interacting with your butt chemistry is a terrible idea. Its like a vodka tampon but worse

@sleepysera

Жыл бұрын

Can't you just put a condom on it?

@quinnobi42

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. When I saw he had just cut one in half instead of making a mold of it properly, I was concerned. I was more concerned when he showed he had used super glue to put it back together. Thankfully he didn't actually 'use' it. It makes the most sense to me that if you actually wanted to make one of those to use, you would want to create a mold and make a custom silicone piece that the electronics fit nicely into, or are otherwise just molded straight into.

@paulthomas8262

Жыл бұрын

Interesting fact super glue was developed to stick skin together. There is still the medical version of CA used to this day by doctors and surgeons. Still not recommended for *that* area.

@paulthomas8262

Жыл бұрын

@@quinnobi42 make sure you use medical grade silicone ;)

@Gustoberg

Жыл бұрын

@@paulthomas8262 does it glue your ass together?

When he said “more than a thousand years has gone, relatively speaking, without drama, until now. Here’s a recap” i thought man was about to recap all of chess history

@nikk-named

Жыл бұрын

I'd have been there for that, actually

While the buttplug idea is fun to think about, I choose to believe the same principle was applied in a less intrusive and more comfortable way, such as in a shoe insole or in a device taped to a leg lol

@cly_

Жыл бұрын

get it surgically implanted under a fake skin graft for the ultimate cheating potential

@ironicdivinemandatestan4262

Жыл бұрын

They already caught a chess grandmaster named Borislav Ivanov cheating by putting a vibrating device in his shoe, so that plan is a no-go.

@ubermenschmexa

Жыл бұрын

@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 Wasn't aware of that

@fknfoolish

Жыл бұрын

I think a shoe insole in an buttholemwould hurt more

@cosmix_toast

Жыл бұрын

but its funnier that way

Garry Chess, inventor of chess, would be so proud

@hypercane2023

Жыл бұрын

True

@KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally

Жыл бұрын

And I'm sure that his spouse and muse Mary Chess would be delighted

@breakinglegsandbreakinghea3167

Жыл бұрын

The name Jonathan followed by almost any brand or game name somehow works. Jonathan Chess, Jonathan Gucci, Jonathan Ford, etc.

@Bzorlan

Жыл бұрын

Garry chess is the modded version with the physics gun and chess:source assets

@domc3743

Жыл бұрын

pure anarchy

I like this new style Mike. Investigative journalism meets challenge video.

@skultikofficial

Жыл бұрын

These kinds of videos are just kings of youtube, so a good move from him

@intruder9127

Жыл бұрын

@modest mouse colored person good punishment

If he moves his knight to G-4, does that mean he has successfully found the G Spot?

@the_parkourguy2879

Жыл бұрын

underrated comment tbh

@Savajam

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Dream-Academy

6 ай бұрын

No G6 and later G9 pushes the right bottom!

My grandmother grew up in Uzbekistan in the soviet era, and all they had to do way out in the sticks was work and play chess, so everyone in her family was a pro, including her. She's a selfish and selfless woman to a fault who loved hiding behind her work, as woman were forced into that role there, but there was one thing that showed her true colors, which was chess. She put an absurd amount of pride on chess. I always lost to her as a child and every single time it was painful, until I started to learn how to play chess. I matched her, and eventually beat her. We began playing more often and I only got better. Eventually, she got to experience the pure rage and grief that comes with properly losing a chess match and she started to cheat, very simply at first. Moving pieces to where they couldn't go, like a knight harmlessly being placed in the wrong path that put a fork between two good pieces, or moving her own pieces ever so slightly. It came to a point where I was remembering every single piece on the board and calling her out every time she cheated. It was funny at first, but I lost my shit when she pulled out her final strat, a truly unbeatable cheating technique if your opponent doesn't remember the board. She pretended to knock some pieces over, and of course she was the one to put them back, closer to my side of the board, or just somewhere else where she benefited. I stopped playing chess with her after that.

@LeafBro_

Жыл бұрын

So it was… online? Sorry i read eveything but i think I missed something😅

@LeafBro_

Жыл бұрын

If she did play otb she most likely lost the first few games but got better and showed her true self after that

@tigertoxins584

Жыл бұрын

@@LeafBro_ its otb on a chess board I made, she's a sore loser

@Ten_Thousand_Locusts

Жыл бұрын

Selfish and selfless are two absolute opposites, so how can she be both?

@CountingStars333

Жыл бұрын

@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts Probably some language barrier or error

I hope Mike realises this but I just have to say for anyone else trying this, if you've cut the silicone it's not body safe any more so please do not put it in any body cavities.

@Oretal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up

@ashedaces

Жыл бұрын

thanks bro i’ll keep that in mind when making my own 👍

@thenachothief

Жыл бұрын

@zsazsa m. 🤨

@riceandcheese1463

Жыл бұрын

Andddddd there goes my weekend plans

@rickyorgason2448

Жыл бұрын

You might be surprised by how many things end up in body cavities that aren't body safe o_o

This video has some serious Internet Historian vibes and I'm all for it.

@MikeBoyd

Жыл бұрын

Huge inspiration!

@Epic501

Жыл бұрын

Chess. What IS chess?

@yawnick408

Жыл бұрын

Is THIS a chess?

@justsomeguy8982

Жыл бұрын

Why is CHESS?

@Gr0nal

Жыл бұрын

I did a thing, too

Obviously the best strategy is to eat the pieces while nobody is looking

@gneu1527

3 күн бұрын

HAHAHAHAHA

What really surprises me is that the old standby of many players saying "I can just feel he's cheating, the moves don't feel right" is proveñ demonstrated here

This would have been great for an Adam and Eve sponsorship

@visitorccb968

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@nastyasfrick

10 ай бұрын

Imagine Hans Niemann streams sponsored by bad dragon lmao

@user-A54AX

8 ай бұрын

😂

@LordBakon

17 күн бұрын

@@nastyasfricknot the furry sex toy store. Anything hut the furry sex toy store.

@asackboyplush6508

7 күн бұрын

Their shit ain't great from what I've heard

Mike has acquired skills in engineering, chess, programming, and pleasing his wife and found the perfect way to combine the four.

@vaaaali

Жыл бұрын

That's four mate

@vignetter4802

Жыл бұрын

you mean four

@occamshalberd2313

Жыл бұрын

@@vignetter4802 I threw in pleasing his wife last second and forgot to update the count. Oof.

@mynameissang

Жыл бұрын

@@occamshalberd2313 should have just played it off bro, I thought THAT was the joke lol

@erlendbanken6517

Жыл бұрын

@@mynameissang how is that a joke?

Honestly, I wanna figure out every single possible way to cheat in chess

@end.olives

Жыл бұрын

There are probably many ways and the anal beads theory is just the meme version. Like it would he enough to have a little buzzing thing on your jeans.

@end.olives

Жыл бұрын

As you could see in this video, the actual anal beads was just excess mass, you could put the whole system inside a hidden pocket on your clothes easy

@taliesine.8343

8 ай бұрын

There was a team competition I believe in 2022 where the coach would stand in certain spots in the room to convey the moves. In the room where two ranks of eight boards, which made it perfect to convey moves. In a critical situation, the coach would move to one board in the first to indicate the rank and then move to the other row to indicate the rank. Now you have the target square of the best move in the position. The players are good enough to figure out which piece to move to the target square. This also only worked because Coaches where allowed to have phones at the tournament. They where caught relatively quickly, because the chess players performance was unusually high and way better than past performances. With those added suspicions the pattern of the coach was also caught.

@parthsavyasachi9348

8 ай бұрын

Also have to figure out how to let stockfish crutch numbers to the depth of 50 and almost instantly make moves too. Simple stuff really.

Actually, there are butt plugs that can be used through apps to control pulsing to such a degree that you can probably do morse code with it because its so customizable that people submit their own custom settings to a list for sharing or keeping it private and theyre meant for long distance relationships or swingers that wanna tell people what butt vibes get them off so you didnt have to hacksaw and glue this one together just for any sort of future reference. i cant space out my sentences but but i dont want anyone to risk supergluing their asshole shut in the name of chess championship titles, happy beading- i mean cheating.

@pinkie723

Жыл бұрын

wait, why cant you space out your sentences? 👀

@burneraccount7831

Жыл бұрын

@@stuwest5862 nah, it's fr. There's even paired vibes and sleeves that interact with each other (I assume one is on a receive and the other is on react mode)

@kingo5940

Жыл бұрын

@@burneraccount7831 wait what bro

@JackTheFoxVA

11 ай бұрын

The problem is that all of those devices require phones to receive and transmit the signals. Im pretty sure Hans wasnt allowed to have his phone on him.

@emmanon6664

10 ай бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

Magnus said when playing his own AI “its like competing against an idiot genius.” That’s why it will always be suspicious playing AI generated moves, as the chess player said you’re “hanging on by a thread” while also making impossibly solid moves

@banoodel5121

Жыл бұрын

Yeah right. Also, the AI will generate the scenario based on the opponents moves, so it doesn‘t have a plan, where as a human player, as Michael said, has a plan (for the endgame for example)

@Goldap1000

Жыл бұрын

"but" program could help you by suggesting moves instead of just giving best answer.

@undeniablySomeGuy

Жыл бұрын

that's why computer evals can be so strange sometimes. The eval will go 10 in white's favor, but that's only because it's evaluating based on the one move that completely saves your position, but if you miss that one move (or even like a 5 move sequence) then you're totally losing

@annaclarafenyo8185

Жыл бұрын

Magnus was talking about pre-neural-net dee 1990s style engines, which had no long-term strategic ideas of their own, but simply created genius 20-move tactics to wriggle out of any situation. It's like playing a strategic idiot who beats you every time. Magnus DOESN'T SAY THAT anymore, because the chess engines underwent a revolution with Deep Mind and neural nets, and started playing strategically about 4 years ago. Since then, Magnus has been the quickest to adapt the new ideas coming from the neural nets, and he publicly admires the playing of neural net engines.

@cheezyandgreasy

Жыл бұрын

@@annaclarafenyo8185 Idk about 1990s engines…He was speaking about playing his own “Play Magnus” app which came out in the last 5 years I think.

Hikaru Nakamura said that at the Grandmaster level it would only take a single buzz at a critical position. Just the awareness that a game changing move exists on that turn would be enough and a player at that level would be able to find it.

@quibble9003

Жыл бұрын

hikaru knows top level chess is more nuanced than that. he's just mad abt the lawsuit.

@RyanC232

Жыл бұрын

Knowing that you need to spend time to find a tactic would be enough for a 1300. Imagine a super GM

@jonassanoj3045

Жыл бұрын

@@quibble9003 even if he's wrong, this video shows that it's possible in theory. PS.: emphasis on "theory", given that there is zero evidence of over-the-board cheating by niemann.

@quibble9003

Жыл бұрын

@@jonassanoj3045 have i ever said otb cheating was impossible?

@arthurdequeiroz8393

Жыл бұрын

@@quibble9003 he said that multiple times before the lawsuit you goober lmao And to clarify he didn't say he would win every game with that, it would just be a huge advantage

The exchange, "That was a really good move." / "I know, that's why I played it." had me dying. To me, that would have been a sure giveaway.

Genuinely thought that you were going to take one for the team for a moment there.

5:38 I'd like to imagine that this is all true, and there was a moment during production of the... "device" when Hans was told, to his horror, "We're gonna need a bigger butt plug."

@samwellick1706

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@oasntet

Жыл бұрын

Presumably the 'production' device wouldn't have a full arduino dev board, just the microcontroller, antenna and mosfet are needed. And probably a much smaller battery, after having moved even more of the work off the device and into the external cheat engines.

@fan9775

Жыл бұрын

Horror?

@Freakinawesome333

Жыл бұрын

@@fan9775 I guess it could have been delight, who knows? 😏

10/10 storytelling! We have been waiting eagerly for this one, and it exceeded our expectations! 😂

@ghosthunter0950

Жыл бұрын

idk why I didn't expect you guys here. makes me happy when so many communities that I follow like chess, art & cosplay and more random things like Mike Boyd suddenly become involved with each other.

@adrijabhattacharyya

Жыл бұрын

Reading the nerdforge comment here was a treat ❤❤🤟🤟

@shihabsinha5497

Жыл бұрын

@@ghosthunter0950 Nerdforge are Norwegian just supporting Magnus Carlson, I reckon

@davidbakke9293

Жыл бұрын

Hey nerd forge!

@tong8619

Жыл бұрын

Hey what you doing here :O I love your crafting videos so much!

I've always liked magnus, but the fact he could tell he was playing against a computer with such conviction mid game is astounding.

@donmiller2908

Жыл бұрын

"but the fact he could tell he was playing against a computer with such conviction" That's the problem isn't it? Knowing something and proving it are two different things. Maybe Carlsen was having a bad day and Neimann was having a great day. It could happen. I believe it's just ego talking when Carlsen quit, saying in effect "I'm Magus Carlsen, never in this Universe will I ever be beaten by Hans Neimann, so he cheated" Which is why Neimannn is suing for defamation of character right? Carlsen cannot prove his allegation. You don't get to damage someones reputation because you "Think they cheated"

@trank3166

Жыл бұрын

@@donmiller2908 while that is true you can't be sure someone cheated, there are signs that you are playing against a bot. For an example, moving a king in a perfectly safe spot one tile to the side so you don't get put in check while trying to checkmate your opponent 25 moves ahead

@donmiller2908

Жыл бұрын

@@trank3166 Yes, and I read that masters know pretty much which are valid strong moves so they tend to make them quickly. If someone is taking a long time to make an obvious move, they're probably using a computer.

@snorttroll4379

Жыл бұрын

@@donmiller2908 nah. they looked at the numbers and statistics.

@donmiller2908

Жыл бұрын

@@snorttroll4379 I saw another video created by a lawyer who said that Neimann is going to have a hard time getting anywhere with his lawsuit and he's pretty much done for reputation wise, which is a shame because flukes happen. Any Grandmaster can beat Carlsen, He just has to play exceptionally well on a day when Carlsen is playing exceptionally poorly, which can happen, flukes happen. I don't think you should be able to label a person a cheat without proof, especially when it could damage their career.

Imagine getting beaten this way💀

@garethbaus5471

Жыл бұрын

When your opponent suddenly pulls moves out of his ass that are inhumanly good.

That's just painful dedication right here. Great ep

@Jason-gq8fo

Жыл бұрын

I see your KZread taste is as good as your food taste. Love the vids

@bagieta7

Жыл бұрын

what are you doing here

@fsilvruiz

Жыл бұрын

Alex!!!

@NomadicWVR

Жыл бұрын

@Alex I see you too are a man of culture😂

@OmnifyMyAss

Жыл бұрын

I see you're a true connoisseur of all kinds of salt 😁

The article that first mentioned "vibrating anal beads" also mentioned "vibrating shoe sole" as a cheating method... Which is simpler to make and less "intrusive" if i might say so. But the internet completely forgot about that other suggestion and went crazy for the anal beads hypothesis 😂

@chrisvighagen

Жыл бұрын

yeah but here's why that's not as good of a way to cheat. Just ask everyone to play shoeless. Buttplug means you gotta get more invasive in your search. Im not even sure you would detect it with a metal detector if you make your own flexboards and mould it yourself. I'd put the on off button as an smd button in the nose of the plug. with nothing metallic being outside the body, would it be picked up by a metall detector? I dont know.

@InformatrIIcks

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisvighagen the issue with cheating in chess doesn't really have to do with how "detectable" the cheating device is. The real problem is livestreaming it, which allows a friend to plot in the AI every move. You could make an underskin chip made entirely of plastic, if there's a 15min delay in the Livestream it's completely useless. A shoe was more likely used. More space, less intrusive, no weird walk, no moaning during play ... A vibrating buttplug is funny but filled with disadvantages compared to any other vibrating apparatus ... As was clearly demonstrated in this video by just taping it to a leg

@aozzya1563

Жыл бұрын

@@InformatrIIcks what if you had a way of inputting the moves to the beads? Like you clench your ass in a pattern and it sends that move to the computer which then tells you what to do. Or maybe even have the computer inside the beads so it doesn’t have to send any information

@chrisvighagen

Жыл бұрын

@@InformatrIIcks I agree. Could also possiblybe in a belt. a letrher belt and a custom flexboard with a small actuater, linear or rotary could easily be made if you had the investment in to. Might be a couple of thousand usd, but the pay off would be huge if undetected.

@InformatrIIcks

Жыл бұрын

@@aozzya1563 well i think that tapping your foot or pressing a button with your toe would be just as efficient and much less likely to be detected 😂

Never ever ever cut or glue silicone that will go inside you, EVER.

@Luke-dj3ry

Жыл бұрын

Never again yeah

The best part is he didn't even need to do all this. Bluetooth/wifi connected, er, devices, already exist. My partner bought one of those on impulse because they thought I'd be interested in using it on them... it was a mortifying conversation but funny looking back on it.

“My chess speaks for itself” while he quickly turtle walks to the shitter

@WestonNey

Жыл бұрын

We all know why 😅

@BriefOutreach

Жыл бұрын

that vibrating chess spoke pretty well

This gives a whole new meaning to embedded systems

@MrCh0o

Жыл бұрын

Integrated peripherals

@pinkie723

Жыл бұрын

oh noooooo lmaooooo XD

@burneraccount7831

Жыл бұрын

Intel Inside 😉

@MihailDadun

10 ай бұрын

internal library

@mmesamesa

10 ай бұрын

Plug and Play

Anyone doing this at home, make sure the superglue is dried before you test out your new play thing 👿

@naverilllang

Жыл бұрын

If it's still wet, you can use it as lube to help it go in

@garethbaus5471

Жыл бұрын

That just brought an insanely painful set of imagery to my mind.

@agustusfarnworth3379

Жыл бұрын

Oh god no

@ebixxdracion

Жыл бұрын

No one seems to realise that you could just wrap it in a condom or something to keep from having direct interaction with your inner lining.

@Thisguy2736

Жыл бұрын

@@naverilllang that would most likely result In a embarrassing emergency room visit

Even if you could modify a bluetooth off the shelf "device" in software entirely, the whole thing seems like a massive pain in the ass.

I love how semi serious he is while making a sex toy into a cheating device.

@BarackObamaJedi

Жыл бұрын

Semi lol

@marielcarey4288

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more completely serious since he actually made THAT device

@mariokarter13

Жыл бұрын

If you're "trained," using beads is even faster because *where* it vibrates can give you even more information.

@zayd162

Жыл бұрын

@@mariokarter13 LOL sounds like you tested that bro, come on man it's NNN you can't be doin that

@Chico_Julio

Жыл бұрын

Well on high level chess tournaments, there's money involved. Not a small quantity

Seeing Michael pick up on something fishy as the game progresses is honestly hella interesting! You can see how tense he looks not because of the pressure you are putting on him, but also because it doesn't feel right to him.

@tombladon8064

Жыл бұрын

I've played against cheats online and you get a feeling about it fairly quickly. It feels suffocating and nothing you do works but that is also how playing really good players feels too. The main difference is there are moves that seem totally silly that you will never really understand played, also they take 10 seconds to calculate the most complicated move, and also 10 seconds to make the blindingly obvious move. In this particular case it would be even more obvious as he'd just played a fairly poor game just 5 minutes beforehand.

@jhudson_tiedye

Жыл бұрын

perhaps the same way magnus felt

@NigelTolley

Жыл бұрын

@@jhudson_tiedye yep. The lack of pressure shown by Magnus' opponent was insane. Very like watching this match, in fact.

@emperorsascharoni9577

Жыл бұрын

Yeah thats why it would be way less suspicious to use ai based engines that play like a human would and not in this impossibly calculated way that stockfish uses. Stockfish often uses a line that has only 1 right solution so making even a slight mistake would be detrimental and noone would play the line if they didnt fully calculate it first. Now when you play such a line without thinking long when there is a line thats much easier to play and just as good or nearly as good or would even seem better when you havent calculated the hard one then it becomes very suspicious. One example would be Leela Chess Zero but while this ai plays like a human it isnt up to the task of beating a world champion. Depends on the training time obviously. The better the ai gets the less human it plays.

There's a new kind of check in chess tournaments across the country: -Prison Wallet Checks.

I love that instead of being upset he was good sport about it and showed a degree of fascination or interest in the mechanics behind the scheme contraption.

Omg i want "that" chess cheat device so bad.... For scientific purposes of course.

@Mr_MacMiller

Жыл бұрын

Welp, a rule34 comment somehow got into KZread

@krahser6914

Жыл бұрын

It’s not safe to use cause the silicone is punctured. So basically don’t stick it up your a-

@f.p.2463

Жыл бұрын

@@5nite Of course, what other purpose will it serve

@burushifudara

Жыл бұрын

@@krahser6914 Okay, I know that is a good reason I just wanna know *why* exactly

@itsyaboikirbo

Жыл бұрын

Samee

You Hans Neiman'ed your poor mate! Props to him for taking it so well. I could see him going through the emotions and his rating is amazing!

@MikeBoyd

Жыл бұрын

He’s a good sport!

@andrewdunbar828

Жыл бұрын

Should've invited Hans Niemann over instead of that guy (-:

@draganitaalex8324

Жыл бұрын

H8 moves made him orgasm i think

@Nobody-df4is

Жыл бұрын

Michael played pretty good against the engine.

@tijsp.8162

Жыл бұрын

Huh, didn't expect to see you here. Or maybe I should've haha Anyway, just wanted to say I love your channel! Already looking forward to your next video

This is very well produced videos. Kudos to editor and mike

if someone is able to make a body safe version I will gladly test this device the intended way

For future note. Silicone sticks really well to itself. So next time you can use silicone caulk ( should be body safe if actually intended for use lol) instead of super glue.

@Glitch-Gremlin

Жыл бұрын

Or use some of Smooth-On's Equinox Silicone Putty. you mix A and B together, then you can model it in your hands into a small Ball that could Coat the electronic, thus making it easy to insert and you could still feel it, without it being "Exposed" more-so, its Food Safe so it wouldn't be Dangerous like Caulk.

@DarkMoon095

Жыл бұрын

How about using a real CAULK ?

@akronikw

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkMoon095 💀💀💀

@v4714v

Жыл бұрын

NICE CAULK

@tri--light

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkMoon095 i need caulk for my deck

16:32 Not only your moves were too strong for you rating, but sometimes the AI just makes a move that humans wouldn't make. Specially moves that get you compensation way later or moves that just improve your position without it being immediately apparent

@LoganCovers91

Жыл бұрын

This. If you want to do it right, you tune the engine to not give such perfect moves, and throw some innacuracy in there. Everyone would notice these moves are cheating.

@lred1383

Жыл бұрын

@@LoganCovers91 The problem is, with the Niemann situation that would not give him any advantage. At top GM level "some inaccuracy" is often enough to lose the game

@kevinmiller218

Жыл бұрын

@@lred1383 I think he meant that the play should be something between magnus and stockfish. Even with "some inaccuracy" moves stockfish would beat magnus 99/100 times if hans cheated. Yes at top GM level "some inaccuracy" is often enough to lose the game but stockfish could blunder first couple moves and still win easily.

@sublivion5024

Жыл бұрын

AI also has a tendency to focus on a secure win, rather than a fast or crushing victory like a human would, as it is only trained to win and not given additional points for winning strongly. This seems to be consistent with what his opponent was saying.

@sublivion5024

Жыл бұрын

You could probably determine whether he was cheating by playing his moves to known algorithms (whether AI or human written), or analysing his different games to see if there is a change in play style or any pattern

I congratulate the sacrifices for science 🤣 at 10:41

I didn't realize chess was so complex in more ways than ever...

Just make chess players go through security checks before the match then play the actual match inside a opaque Faraday cage with only the players and a camera inside

@qchtohere8636

Жыл бұрын

Next up: Cheater figures way to report moves to custom Pi Pico build using sphincter. Drama ensues.

@oliversmeeton

Жыл бұрын

@@qchtohere8636 In an attempt to bypass the Faraday cage a cheater has used a pi zero for local processing and was resultantly burned by the SoC.

@allisonsomething3397

Жыл бұрын

if they're inside a faraday cage, how would the camera work?

@seowonmin223

Жыл бұрын

@@allisonsomething3397 a faraday cage would block incoming and outgoing signals, not the actual electronics inside, i believe

@oliversmeeton

Жыл бұрын

@@seowonmin223 yep the camera could still record to sd or even output via a cable, the Faraday cage only blocks wireless signal/communication entering or leaving

As soon as I saw this in my notifications the sudden realization came to me and now I can't stop laughing thinking about what you've just created

Took ANALysis to a whole another level

When your opponent does a wild play on you and your friends popping off with the remote in the back

How to be a *Chess GM* Before 2022 : *wide* knowledge of Openings, Middle and End games 🧠 After 2022 : *wide* Ass Hole! 🕳️

@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ

Жыл бұрын

LMAO

@aXelRedfield

Жыл бұрын

wide openings

@_egghead

Жыл бұрын

@@aXelRedfield 😆

@ChefofWar33

Жыл бұрын

Tbf. There is another less exciting theory that he used an emplacement within his shoes. Just as sensitive, but far less intrusive, and far easier to hide when walking and standing.

My friend was talking about this chess situation and I thought he was being stupid as always and was trying to annoy me and then i came across this video... I'm in tears 😭

It's fairly common for "alien abduction victims" to claim they have a receiver implanted in their skulls or teeth, but this is the first time I've heard of someone receiving radio signals with his prostate.

i saw alot of people trying to make "THAT chess cheat device" and byfar yours is the most realistic. It actually looks the most comfortable to sit on and honestly you have blown it out of the water with how ergonomically comfy it looks.

@ChefofWar33

Жыл бұрын

Bruh. Calm down. I can see the tent from here.

@totsuka2213

Жыл бұрын

@@ChefofWar33 it's for science :3

@TurtleHouse

Жыл бұрын

Chill bro

@danielprovost

Жыл бұрын

@@TurtleHouse daddy chill...

@theplayer178

Жыл бұрын

@@TurtleHouse I need that in me now ;)

You know what you have just done? Every high grade chess tournament from now on will have someone checking each players „backdoor“ in case there’s a device like that in there. I think thats actually quite hilarious.

@ninezerotwo1778

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think they’re going to be happy about needing to get fingered before every game.

@mr.cauliflower3536

Жыл бұрын

Fide said they wouldn't do it.

@justinjakeashton

Жыл бұрын

It ain't gay if it's TSA, I mean FIDE.

@CRanunculus

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.cauliflower3536 They could use an x-ray or metal detector.

@creatingbeautifulsongs7946

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t it be much easier to just delay the broadcast by a move, or just not let outside viewers watch live? No assistant means no cheating.

This proves that chess grandmasters aren't just born-yesterday-talents, they reach their grandmaster status from immense practice and a MANY matches. You may beat them and they'll recognise it if you are truly as good as you seemed to be, but if you aren't legit, they'll probably be able to figure it out.

missed opportunity to call it the "Arseduino" 🤣

so is every chess tournament going to require a full cavity search from now on?

@windwaker0rules

Жыл бұрын

i think they will just start requiring tight shorts and singlets

@TheBenjaman

Жыл бұрын

From now on they will be playing chess in the nude, sitting on glass chairs, with a camera underneath it.

@you.findbitches6054

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBenjaman imagine you get caught watching a replay lmao.

@Tailspin80

Жыл бұрын

@@you.findbitches6054 This is bad enough. Now, how do I edit my KZread history?

@Kahhru

11 ай бұрын

Frequency signal jammers would be one solution. Then have them play inside an opaque box to prevent any visual input from the outside.

He just casually drops the words “Butt Arduino” and expects everyone not to laugh hahahaha

first 4 minutes had me so invested i forgot you were actually making it

There's one precision I would add to the scandal scheme. At their level, they don't need that much information to cheat. All they need is a simple buzz that indicate whether or not a critical move must be done in a specific position. They're just that good at chess. They feel when the position is tense, but they don't absolutely know if there is a critical move to be done. A simple buzz can give them the cue to search for a single winning move that requires to invest more time into calculating their options. Hikaru Nakamura talked about it on Lex Fridman' Podcast. I recommend

@ImKrazyFrench

Жыл бұрын

Ok, I should of scrolled down a bit more before writing such a long comment. SMH.

They should have a chess match in a faraday cage to block a signal transmitting to any potential cheat devices.

@grimoireapril9529

Жыл бұрын

This won't work. Consider a smartphone attatched with a sensor, picking up signals from your butt, and computing competely offline.

@KO47893

Жыл бұрын

@@grimoireapril9529 In the hypothetical situation in which Hans wants to prove he's innocent by playing in a faraday cage, I'm sure they could take simple additional measures to assure the integrity of the match, like checking their phones. Also, kudos to anyone who can send a signal with their butt without any errors while under scrutiny.

I love how nuts the idea is, it makes more sense if he just had something that vibrated taped legit anywhere that he could feel it, you know unlike shoving something up there might lead to discomfort.

The guy that used this really said “Desperate times call for desperate measures...”

I can just imagine Magnus thinking: Why the fuck are my knees wet?

@rinreborn7364

Жыл бұрын

Why wet? Tf

@realzeno_

Жыл бұрын

@@rinreborn7364 cum there

@mickeyp6639

Жыл бұрын

@@rinreborn7364 It was a shit joke about hans cumming

@ariawatson_

Жыл бұрын

@@rinreborn7364 innocent soul

@llawliet7434

Жыл бұрын

​​@@rinreborn7364 try to think about it again, please respond if you discovered it.

To me, the biggest thing is around 14:50 when your opponent "senses" something is off. I think that's why a lot of people are siding with Magnus, as he has played countless games over the board and has always took losing and losing winning positions to make a draw with grace and with a sense of humour (though obviously he wants to win/is competitive) he instinctively knew something was 'off' about Hans' play whereas he's never said that about anybody else. Also, to go as far as withdraw from the tournament, it's obvious he had the same feeling as your opponent and knew something was up. Magnus is the best chess player in the world and i think most people trust his judgement, especially as he has a pretty spotless record of fairplay and respect.

@techheck3358

Жыл бұрын

mike's opponent sensed something based on mike's past game & rating. in the tournament, hans was a last-minute replacement, he wouldnt have had enough time to prepare and/or practice

@elementalgolem5498

Жыл бұрын

@@techheck3358 yet Hikaru, Magnus and many other gms figure out people are cheating online without even knowing who they are

@techheck3358

Жыл бұрын

@@elementalgolem5498 online, you can still see the persons profile. and again, he was a last minute replacement, and hans has continued to be a great player even through the increased security measures added because of this

@elementalgolem5498

Жыл бұрын

@@techheck3358 its not like Magnus didnt know of him. He has played him before that was the first game they had against each other. Normann isnt some new kid on the block hes a well known chess player that has multiple suspicious things about his career and rating

@plzletmebefrank

Жыл бұрын

@@techheck3358 if a person is cheating online then their ranking reflects that and wouldn't seem suspicious. What is suspicious is playing like a computer and not a human. To be fair, the best chess players blur that line, but usually there is still some hints there.

absolute mad lad.... he actually did it

“… And where can I get one?” (Home Depot ad starts playing)

9:32 "time to put it to the test" *unbuttons pants*

10:49 OH THANK GOD 😬😂

@Falconer5752

11 ай бұрын

Yeah! Putting something covered in glue in your ass is like you're asking to have major health issues

That's a high level skill to know chess so well that you can detect weird strategies coming from cheating!

“Now we need someone to test it out.”

It would be easier to recognize the move if they're 2 vibrating things, what if A cock ring handles the x axis and the plug for the y axis

@MikeBoyd

Жыл бұрын

That’s actually genius

@A_Simple_Neurose

Жыл бұрын

PLEASE NO

@Jomari_Idioma

Жыл бұрын

Ill probably have a big'ol oyster in my pants before the game ends and chess will never be the same again

7 Years of Learning: How I Beat Hans Niemann at Chess

The beads speak for themselves

most pleasing game of chess

If that's actually how he cheated, he deserves to get away with it

@dxdxdxdxdxd7125

Жыл бұрын

and on the next tournament there will be buzzing heard from all the corners

@SneakyMango

Жыл бұрын

As much as I disagree, I still gotta give this comment a like 💀

@samoak123

Жыл бұрын

I'd do it at the casino

From the chess community here. Gms have actually gone through his games and found that yes, even his over the board games have been some of the highest accuracy games in the world and not only that, but there are more that exists with Hans than other GMS rated much higher.

Very nice video! Really enjoyed that

I’ve been wondering what all the controversy around the cheating was ever since it started. I never thought THIS was the LEADING THEORY

@jonas-om3th

Жыл бұрын

Its not. This story was something a chess streamer brought up as a joke and for some reason the media ran with it. There are many other ways cheating could be achived

@emperorsascharoni9577

Жыл бұрын

Well the leading theory is just a concealed vibrating device. Another option would be the sole of his boots.

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

As absurd as it sounds on paper, I can't think of much better ways to hide it Like yeah, the sole is probably more likely for now, but if this becomes a rampant thing, between the cheeks wouldn't take long to take off

The beads speaks for itself.

@andrewdunbar828

Жыл бұрын

Bzzzzt!

@omegaomega3

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdunbar828 no it's actually silent

@andrewdunbar828

Жыл бұрын

@@omegaomega3 Shhhhh!

@stephenshook2348

Жыл бұрын

😭😭

A follow up video talking about how can this be prevented would be nice... Of course without checking people's cavities.

I love the how this is used for this

At the elite level it is no longer about thinking which moves wins pieces and which moves loses, it is genuinely like 10-20 steps ahead and its just so complex to show and prove to a layman why and how they suspect someone is cheating that its almost impossible to prove without hard evidence which is why its such a big deal.

@carlangelo653

Жыл бұрын

Trust is also a huge factor. We have one well respected player accusing another player before who has admitted to cheating in the past. What makes everything look worse for the guy is at the interviews after the ordeal the way he answered the questions were a bit off to say the least.

@eugene937

Жыл бұрын

@@carlangelo653 exactly, he blunders moves in the post game interview as well like how.

@bluemystic7501

Жыл бұрын

And other GMs have suspected Hans of cheating too.

@sarahmcdonough7713

Жыл бұрын

When people talk about elite chess players thinking moves ahead, does that mean they’re imagining all possible next moves, and what they’d do to answer them? And so on with the next set of moves? If that’s the case, they’re thinking simultaneously about many, many possible games and monitoring all of them? Or is it something else?

@jolondacross9726

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahmcdonough7713 this is exactly that

As hikaru said, actually all you would need is a single beep in high tension positions to alert the player there is a winning idea. They are so good at calculating, they will find the actual moves themselves

@fador1337

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this. All it takes at that level is just a small pulse on which move to focus on, and it's already a big advantage.

@user-sy2jy1si8f

Жыл бұрын

The problem with this approach is - to get to the position where this winning idea exists, you must outplay your opponent first. You just cannot do average moves against a superior opponent and then somehow find yourself in a winning position

@olympicswimmingpoolpiss

Жыл бұрын

@@user-sy2jy1si8f so you're saying these super GMs need to know how to play the game.

@user-sy2jy1si8f

Жыл бұрын

@@olympicswimmingpoolpiss yep, you won't beat them just with a couple of buzzes, no matter how well-timed these buzzes are. IMO, Hikaru greatly overestimates effectiveness of this cheating technique. The improvement it can bring to a player is too small, it can't lift 2400-2500 player into 2700 territory.

@luongmaihunggia

Жыл бұрын

But how would it actually read the position? You need a recording device.

0:04 nobody The subtitles: *Cheers*

I almost spit my tea when I saw the thumbnail...😂😅😊😂

"If you're still watching now, you are a nerd" Thanks Mike, absolutely true

I knew you weren't going to use the device *there* but the way you prepared everything with such a dry approach almost made me reconsider if you reeeaaally weren't going for it. Great job!

@rio-kt7ut

Жыл бұрын

definitely shouldn't be going there with a dry approach 😆

@DimaWSM

Жыл бұрын

@@rio-kt7ut that one got me really good🤣

I don't play chess but I always get sucked into chess videos. I loved that movie about the IBM computer.. I really enjoyed this video. Great break down from start to finish. Well done sir.

The mad lad. He actually did it.

The interesting thing (that turns this from wild Internet theory to tiny but non-zero chance) is that at the SuperGM level you don't even need to transmit full moves or even any moves. Just a simple "Vibrate when there is one move significantly better than the 2nd-best move" is almost certainly enough for any SuperGM to beat Magnus more often than not. It's the same reason chess puzzles are much easier to solve than finding similar tactics in a game, since in a puzzle you're told there is a solution.

@psychd5374

Жыл бұрын

You would still need the device to know what position the board is in.

@thediamondpro5050

Жыл бұрын

@@psychd5374 well a spectator of the game can play the moves on their computer and transmit them back to the device like shown in the video

@rouxbnr

Жыл бұрын

@@thediamondpro5050 Thats why chess streams for higher level tournaments have delays, so that a spectator cant transmit the moves in time.

@christiantretter4605

Жыл бұрын

@@rouxbnr that didn't start to become common until after the cheating allegations began. I'm pretty sure the original game in question did not have delays.

@rouxbnr

Жыл бұрын

@@christiantretter4605 ye it didn't, they only had a 15 minute delay after the third round.

For me it was really interesting to see how Mike was hiding his hands basically the entire time while he was cheating. Just body language telling you so much more than youre aware of. Nice reminder

@brent4674

Жыл бұрын

yeah especially intresting since the signal went to his ankle so it was just pure unconsious body language