I can't imagine not being able to bowhunt during the rut, it's un-American.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Man...amen to that comment!

@timsr.6706

4 жыл бұрын

Here in Missouri, gun season runs for 11 days during the rut, always the week before Thanksgiving week up to 2 days before Thanksgiving. You can use a bow, or crossbow during rifle season if you like. I feel for you guys in Wisconsin, I hope it all works out for you! The are mailing everyone question forms seeing who wants rifle season moved a week later, during Thanksgiving week. I wish rifle season started the Saturday right after Thanksgiving.

@bucmeister7713

4 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine not being able to gun hunt during rut either. Thankfully in Mississippi we have enough deer numbers we can bowhunt, primitive weapon hunt and gun hunt in the main rut periods.

@Murphydoge

4 жыл бұрын

It’s what nightmares are made of.

@MegaBraunie

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Jeff Today is the 13th. Please put out a small Video reminding your entire audience to get online and take the survey.

amen to all you so clearly stated! If "hunters" don't get involved they they cannot blame any one but themselves!!

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tex...man, so true! No one to blame for sure...

Thanks for the update! Going to watch the video for my county here shortly and got the meeting marked on my calendar.

Man Jeff, your passion shows big time in this video. Your absolutely the best out there. I’ve attempted to watch other “deer expert” channels and hands down you’re the best out there. I don’t even hunt Wisconsin and watched the entirety of this video. Serious question though..... you mentioned sandy soil... that’s what is on the property I hunt. Which food plot seeds grow best in sandy soil?

Jeff, thank you so much for being such a well informed well spoken advocate. I’d let you represent me as a hunter anytime, anywhere. Keep up the great work. We need you!

I would like to thank you for your time and for sharing your experience. I appreciate your comments about crossbow comments. I am 50 years old this year I learned how to use a longbow at the age of 6 as soon as I could string the bow without help I graduated to a recurve around 8 years old then after proving my skills my Dad got me a compound for my 12th birthday and have hunted whitetail over 30 years with vertical bows until I got hurt working and haven't been able to do it anymore. I almost gave up. After 2 years of not hunting a good friend let me shoot his crossbow and I regained my love for deer hunting again. I take a lot of flack for using crossbow and that's fine I'm doing what I love. Thanks again for your input and please keep up the great work I really enjoy your videos.

Hey jeff, im born and raised in wisconsin. 2020 is my third season of deer hunting. I wish i couldve watched your videos sooner, but this one was a big concern for me. I'm really glad you took some of your time to warn wisconsin hunters about regulations. This time, next season i will pay more attention to the regulations and get more involved. Thanks jeff, youre the mvp when it comes to hunting.

Here is the link to make your voice heard and for the WIDNR details... dnr.wi.gov/news/releases/article/?id=5068

I agree 100% with you. Whitetail hunters need to stick together to protect and manage what we love and want to share with future generations. I respect the DNR but don't think for one second they have it all figured out. We hunters educate them. We cannot sit back and let them make all these decisions and not give our input. If you dont protect what you have, it will eventually be taken away. That's true with anything. I am a MN resident and hunt both MN and Wisconsin archery seasons. I really hope WI keeps there season the way it is now. It works so why change it? Unfortunately in southern MN the majority of the rut is during our shotgun season.

Thank you and God bless you . I totally agree with all you said in this video. I was an avid bow hunter all my life and at the age of 61 and 40 years of working in a truck shop I went to a cross bow as I just couldn’t be as accurate as I needed to be with my compound bow to be ethical. It is sad that some don’t believe it is “fair “ sham on them . There day may come.

That's really sad to hear ☹️ hope that gets changed.god bless you guys stay safe! 🙏

We love archery hunting Wisconsin. I hope you residents can get it ironed out.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Amen Jacob...us too!

Well said Sir, always appreciate your views on deer hunting thanks.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Dusty...means a lot to me and I hope it all helps!

Really interesting how the different states manage the seasons differently. Here in NH we have archery from Sept 15-Dec 15 with no closure, Muzzleloader is late Oct/early Nov for 10 days in the pre-rut/early rut and then rifle starts on Veterans Day through the first week of Dec (muzzleloader and rifle use the same tag). Our state is relatively small compared to Wisconsin and the geology/soil is much different. They try to manage the deer density around 12 deer per square mile. Between 6-10 deer per square mile we see negative impacts to forest regeneration and thus habitat quality due to our thin granitic soils. We don't have the agriculture to support the high deer densities. As a land manager and a deer hunter, I'd like to see the deer density reduced, but for hunter satisfaction the state wants the numbers up. My neighbor installed a bunch of group selection/patch cuts on his couple hundred acres a few years ago. The regeneration is really poor. I am planning on using my tags on does this year to bring my local density down...

I think what Jeff presents makes total sense. Of course, I live in Alabama and don't have a dig in this hunt, but sharing the resource for all should Trump special interest

I live in MN. For the past 5 years I ALWAYS get my buck week before gun hunting. This would wreck bow hunting in any state it got approved in.

Jeff...Great Comments!!!!! Thanks for bringing this up again, and getting the word out. To you point in WI, roughly 50% of all archers use a crossbow. Opening weekend makes up about 65%-68% of the total harvest for the 9 day gun deer season. in WI. As you said some of the proposals this year are terrible, and more importantly they pit sportsman against each other. Every sportsman should make the effort to make their voice heard, and contact the DNR web site 4-16 thru 4-29 to make their opinion known. thanks, Bob

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Amen Bob...really appreciate the support and you helping get the word out for this any way that you can! Scary, actually... Thank YOU!

@rfb7117

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff...just a clarification. We will not be having our annual Conservation Congress meetings to vote on these proposals you discussed this year because of the virus. Sportsman will have the ability to vote on line concerning the questions you brought up from 7PM on 4-13 thru 7PM on 4-16. They will have 72 hours to fill out a ballot on line. The comment form you mentioned available from 4-16 through 4-29 is to comment on specific County recommendations proposed by their County Deer Advisory Committee. It relates to county specific herd recommendations. Please remember the very important vote on the PROPOSALS you mentioned will be from 7PM on 4-13 through 7PM on 4-16.

Very well said i agree in comparison any thoughts to why only muzzleloader season and shotguns r not included in this when similar range if u dont get it the first shot your not getting a 2nd shot usually real world

You hit the bull's-eye on this topic Sir.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cris...I hope all is well for you and the family out there!

My family owns 40 acres in Oklahoma, it is lived on but only 1-2 acres is ever even moved through. I was wondering what would be the minimum plot size you would advise turning into hunting land?

Hey there Jeff, here in Michigan I know they're trying to get the 10 day extension on gun season; but not 100% on any other regulation changes, was just wondering if you knew of any?

I cant find any of this on the dnr website. Thanks for the videos Jeff

Thanks Jeff.

Man this better not bleed into Michigan!! I'll be sure to voice my opinions loudly!

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Oh for sure Justin...let's hope not! Thanks a lot...

@justinstrong2811

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 also man I cant wait till the nitpicking of who hunts with what is over. Just gotta tech future generations our values and morals. Die heart compound guy.....step dad used to be currently hunts with a xbow. If you get in front of a whitetail with any weapon period...good for you

@justinstrong2811

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielJosephTV I here ya man I feel like hunting a fishing are the best forms of social distancing as far as covid goes. Just got my Turkey tag and cant wait to get to the property. If this these changes hit Michigan I believe they see a big decline in tags purchased. Half the reason hunting at a low is bc of regulations like this that make it difficult on the industry. Shame

@justinstrong2811

4 жыл бұрын

I can see where this may bring a high in tag purchases doe to the lack of bow hunters.....but that's going to hurt the bow industry badly. I almost feel picked on hah

@outdoorfamilytraditions9352

4 жыл бұрын

Justin Strong same here! I hope not 🙏🏻

liking that First Light Logo!!! got any Sitka gear you wanna get rid of?

I hunt public land forest so I'm happy to harvest with any weapon but enjoy it and feel good when i do with a bow but hey cant always get what you want ! Lol

I love the Wisconsin hunting season the way it is. As someone who is passionate about both bow & gun hunting, I don't want any changes to the current system. There is a fair amount of opportunity, and the deer herd is well balanced - I don't want to see that end. @Whitetail Habitat Solutions - is there anyone we can contact before the comments forms open on the 16th? I'm just trying to do my best to fight these new regulations and want to know if there is anything we can do before that time frame.

I just want to hunt. Be it a bow, rifle, or shotgun I just love the woods and the family time. This past rifle season I went open sights to make it more interesting and huge buck came out too far away to shoot, I loved it!! He will be there hopefully when I have bow in hand

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Nice...me too! And hunt a good herd with decent regulations 👍 Sounds like a great hunt! I hunt with my bow a lot during the gun season...most opening days and a lot after. I like shooting them better with a bow...but I don't mind shooting them with a gun or ML either ☺️

@shawnhearn4259

4 жыл бұрын

If there was sharp stick season, I would be in the woods opening day.

I shot my rifle buck witch was a 9 pointer with 17 inch spread on Thanksgiving morning and was only deer I saw all 9 days in Wisconsin. All I saw bowhuntin was small bucks and seen 20 does late season.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great season Phil... congrats!

I disagree on losing hunters I had to buy my own land to be able to hunt anywhere I’m 49 I used to could hunt anywhere not no more and there are leasing on 3 sides of my land now that I have purchase in 2005 to me there are to many hunters and not enough land to hunt a quality deer now but I love ur content and agree with u 95 % of the time

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Brent, unfortunately private land used to be "free" and it never should have been in the first place. We have fewer hunters, and fewer hunters spending fewer amounts of time in the woods. Also, if folks own hunting land that hunters are willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to own, then it should be worth at least a fraction of that to lease. I visit private land adjacent to public land in WI just about every single month of the year...that is barely used during the hunting season or not at all. Even more so now. Within an hour of EVERY WI resident. Land has value...it should cost. Even public land had value...but it is free and less used more than ever. Far fewer hunters in the woods. And folks who get to hunt on private land for free need to respect the landowners and help pay the bills...

@Matt-de7eg

4 жыл бұрын

Um....there’s a ton of public land almost anywhere you go in the state. Unsure why you felt like you had to buy land to continue to hunt. I mean unless you have physical restrictions, I don’t get your comment.

@whitetailsup760

4 жыл бұрын

Matt 1336 what I’m saying is u can’t hunt private land any more without leasing the public land here in ga stinks hunters ever where Surrounding states to many hunters I don’t we’re u are from but down south way to many hunters so I had to buy land in western Ky to kill a nice deer and sense land is so cheap here compared to ga every body is buying and leasing land there now . Guess what all the southern folks now leasing up land beside me shooting 110 bucks so yes to many hunters

Welcome to PA! The peak rut here there is no archery season.

@christophercoombs5921

4 жыл бұрын

There is a petition going around now to extend the archery season one week here now though.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

PA Archery is thru 11/16 this season...that covers the rut very well there doesn't it? I know that is awesome timing around where I hunt near Bradford.

@christophercoombs5921

4 жыл бұрын

Don't know how to answer that one. I guess the fact that the peak of the rut, for what I have seen in my area, doesn't or hasn't really kicked off till those last few days. My statement was a blanket statement I guess. I know different parts of PA are different from one another when it comes to the rut.

Hunting should be hunting. Don't pit one method against the other. So far the regs make pretty good sense here in Idaho. Good luck with your situation.

I fully agree with what you have stated on all accounts. And one of the things that kills me is these archery hunters that bash crossbow hunters. If we don't learn to work as a whole, and respect one another to work together for health and well being of the sport, it will die eventually and all there will be us finger pointing. Dnr needs help, these special interest groups are buying regulations and forcing methods that are not for the interest of the hunter. As hunters and outdoor enthusiasts we need to become more active individually in the decisions made and bring the special interest groups and the methods of which they are trying to push to the public eye so that it is a topic and conversation. So that those groups and regulations are reflected on those trying to push them. Accountability and giving people the ability to see the true injective behind the madness that is bought and pushed through or ignored. Aside from hunters the revenue that hunting brings should that be destroyed imagine the ripple affect that would have on the state and it's people financially.

Indianas gun season this year starts on the 14th. Last year it started on the 16th which was in the middle of the rut in southern Indiana. It sounded like world war 3.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Man I bet! That is right in the middle of the peak down there....

@sniper12589

4 жыл бұрын

yes it is. I'm an Indiana hunter as well northeast Indiana and best days I have seen to is Nov4-Nov14. and the you have the bucks still searching up until the Nov20th. the biggest bucks I see usually are from the 10th-16th. luckily for us we are only a one buck state unless you hunt urban and just these past few years I have seen more bow hunters on public ground then I have firearm hunters. even during firearm season. now they are sending out surveys about opening up air rifles air bows and sling bows asking them if and or which ones we feel should be legal and if we would be ok with them being filtered into overlapping season. which same as you with your state I to feel around here that the deer population and the seasons are pretty well balanced.

@bobwoodford7433

4 жыл бұрын

@@sniper12589 we just just moved to the fort Wayne area and have a small farm in southern Indiana. I think the rut in the southern part of the state starts a little later. Around 10th from what have seen. The property owners on both sides of me gun hunt only so I have it to my self till then. I think they should start firearms season the week of Thanksgiving to give the deer time to recover a little and improve the age class.

@sniper12589

4 жыл бұрын

@Bob Woodford welcome to fort wayne. I live just east in New Haven. I mainly hunt the public lands down south in Huntington but my prime time Nov. 6th - Nov. 16th spot is right in the middle of the city. all my trail camera pics I have had over the years have shown that this time frame is when almost every big mature buck in my small area walks right on through and or is running all the does everywhere. Nov. 6th plus or minus a day I can usually always expect that 5+ bucks will run a doe right by my stand. but its almost impossible to get a shot on one when they just don't ever stop running. lol

Could EHD be a determing factor for the low deer numbers, changing regulations that are being proposed would only put more pressure on wiscconsins deer herd

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

I actually do not think and have seen that the WI deer numbers are low. Just fewer hunters and fewer hunters spending less time in the woods overall. 10s of thousands of acres of public land hardly used any more, all across the state... Fortunately EHD has had very little impact overall. Which is a very good thing! Just a lot fewer hunter days afield...

It's crazy to me how they cater to the rifle hunters. I'm not trying to make this sound like I'm against them. But you have to agree that a person who prefers to bowhunt and a person who only rifle hunts are usually two totally different people... and I think you know what I mean. No they definitely do not deserve to have a longer season and they for sure dont need a freakin "quiet time" before...... you got me all hyped up watching this haha

I own 40 acres in mid Michigan and hunt the thumb on 40 also. I have not harvested a buck in 6 years. Not bragging just another accurate statement from WHS. I’m not alone I’m sure.

Hello from Delaware! I grew up in the big woods of PA (Cameron County) where it seems like some good balance has been achieved. Where I am now has a tremendously long season with many anterless firearm days and an early muzzleloader buck/doe season before the main firearm season starts in the heart of the rut. My first year here it seemed cool, but public land seems to get a beat down with a low chance at a quality buck in a state than can produce them (www.qdma.com/public-land-young-bucks-death-sentence/). Seems like an ongoing argument with people arguing we could have better quality vs others saying you can't tell me what a trophy is. Basic goal seems to be get rid of deer anyway we can due to crop destruction, etc.

@j6784d

4 жыл бұрын

PS I'm a few years from hoping to have my own recreational property - hope we can work together someday.

Pennsylvania manages for deer numbers only, not a trophy state.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Good management produces a balance, for sure...

Feel your guys pain, just shake your head. Our Dnr in Michigan does the same knee jerk regs. It’s like they have no interest in doing what’s right for the herd. 😕

What are the dates being lost in bow season? A lot of the complaints from what I’ve heard is that a lot of the big bucks are killed in archery. Not saying I agree with it.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

10 day gun season extension, 2-5 day quiet period before gun season for zero hunting. Nearly just as many bucks are killed in the first couple of days of gun (likely the first day), then the entire early archery season combined. It's about balance...if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Unfortunately some in WI are attempting to pacify special interest groups and make changed that would hurt the quality of the hunt and herd, not help it.

The DNR should not worry about trying to satisfy all the hunters, they should base any decision on change against what is best for the longevity of the herd

A good example is what happened in northern Wisconsin in the era of earn a buck. Extra doe tags were handed out up north the same as the middle and southern portions of the state, which due to larger amounts of agricultural property had much bigger and healthier herds than up north. This in conjunction with wolves introduced by the DNR, which is a rant for another time, created over harvesting of deer. This led to a drought in deer sightings and harvest for 6-8 years. Now, there are HUGE tracts of public and private land that don't get hunted because the interest isn't there. With no deer herd, people just weren't interested in the trek up north. Moving gun season into the rut will only push the change to mostly nocturnal movement due to hunter pressure earlier and I don't think the DNR realizes the impact increased buck kill and decreased breeding will have in the next 5-10 years on the deer herd. Also, for those who don't think crossbows should be used, I think the problem is about education regarding proper ethical use of a crossbow, not that the crossbow gives an unfair advantage. With regular practice, you can shoot a vertical compound just as far with the same accuracy. Bottom line, I love whitetail hunting and want our future generations to have good deer herd to look forward to. We need to band together. To the folks who only hunt opening weekend of rifle season, if you don't feel you have a fair chance, there are really cost-effective bows for sale that kill deer just fine. I hunted for several years with a $350 Bear Attitude from a box store because that is all I could afford at the time. Until last year when I upgraded, every deer I harvested with a bow was taken with that bow and cheap carbon arrows. Get out in the woods and experience the excitement of early season or the rut. The bow season is long, so if you really want a fair opportunity, I have a hard time believing that you can't find A weekend to hunt during the bow season. Stay safe and healthy.

The nostalgia of the "9 day hunt" would be completely ruined. Folks in Texas cannot believe that our parents in Wisco would let us skip school for a couple days during rifle season. I love the 3 month Bow/rifle season down here, but there is less pressure and way more acreage.

Sounds they want more hunters.Its all about the money.Thats why they opened Sunday hunting in Pa.Just opening season on Saturday brought In 3500 more hunters.Lets see what happens this fall.And the recurve hunters can try a speer..We have a pretty long season here.But like you said...Hunter #s are down..

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Hi D...for sure, the drip in hunting numbers is alarming. One thing that most states fail to see is that as the quality of the hunt drops, so does hunter participation, land values, dollars spent. Ask MI ☺️ Scary... 3500 more hunters seems incredibly small, overall. I'm a huge fan of Sunday hunting myself ☺️ But man those numbers are lite overall...

@219garry

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Can you be more specific on MI?

You think there are any regulations to help with Michigan's small buck problem?

@outdoorfamilytraditions9352

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Ruh lol I wish.

@myronlaidler8034

4 жыл бұрын

Don't you or your neighbors shoot small bucks, they will get to be "BIG" if you can come to an agreement to do that no regulations needed! Not an easy task by any means sometimes!!!

@outdoorfamilytraditions9352

4 жыл бұрын

Myron Laidler I agree 100% with that. But some neighbors aren’t about that in certain areas..

@myronlaidler8034

4 жыл бұрын

Some neighbors will shoot any buck, i have found that sometimes you can pass on a buck and you will see him again the following year but not always,and i do hunt in a pressured area on a small lease.Have spoke with neighbors and they want to shoot mature deer,so we kind of worked it out....@@outdoorfamilytraditions9352

@outdoorfamilytraditions9352

4 жыл бұрын

Myron Laidler good to hear. 👍🏻 also it all depends on what’s mature to someone not be mature to the next person. Personally for me it’s 3.5 year old and up is what I am hunting for. I live and hunt in lapeer county and also hunt in sanilac county. The areas I am in the neighbors are pretty good about the bucks. From what I hear a lot is everyone is looking for a 120” plus. I feel like with that attitude their can be some nice bucks that make it year after year

Hi Jeff always seems like non hunters decide our hunting rules ..system stinks sometimes ... it’s a shame they can’t make a (United states hunting rules all the same ) ..I terms of General rules seasons .. the same ...with some -acceptions Per state but ..this would make universal rules ..without all bs.

I appreciate your content. You kill it on small property habitat work. Better habitat = better deer. If the DNR focused on habitat across the state instead of season dates you could support higher deer numbers, more deer available to shoot, and more hunters would have more opportunity. From the outside looking in it does seem your argument is a bit slighted towards better deer, not better hunter numbers. If the desire is to increase hunter numbers and WI really is losing 10,000 hunters per year seems they must try something different. You aren't getting the desired result currently so you have to change something. I know you stated WI has a great herd but that is still translating to losing hunters. You said it in the video "deer harvest down because hunter numbers down". The opposite would logically hold true. If you want better hunter numbers the herd may have to sacrifice a little. Keep in mind the standards of what we harvest don't have to change with the weapon we pursue them with.

What about a late muzzleloader season instead of backing up to rifle season?

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

It's all the same...the ML season right now already goes thru the first week of December. Moving it allows fewer folks to participate as deer congregate towards high value private parcels the later in December the season shifts. Fine for me...but not for hunters as a whole. Would equal less participation...

Glad they don’t over complicate in Ohio! That craps insane!! Do that and I’ll just take a gun out anytime I want the heck with em🙄

People need respect both bow hunting and gun hunting because dnr some people cant get a foid card or buy fire arms

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

We have a great balance right now...no need to fix something that isn't broke 👍 Great opportunity for all...

Pennsylvania has 1 million hunters and a 13 day rifle season....absorb that

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

I love the PA gun season! The hunting numbers are incredibly lite on public land...very few walk deep into the woods anymore. Really enjoyed my 19th PA gun season since 1993, last year 👍 WI has 19 days with gun and ML...similar hunter numbers as PA. They are proposing a 10 day increase...for a total of 29 days in a row.

@FarmallFanatic

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 In wildlife management unit 1B, there is no walking miles into public ground. It's is all 3, 4 and 500 acre parcels. I guess it's all in where you live. I will say this much though, I don't see any hunting shows being produced in Pennsylvania 👍

So I guess pushing gun back a week is out of the question. Lol. If they want to change gun season dates, I wish that’s the direction they’d go.

The shortening of crossbow (or creation of a xbow season, much like rifle and muzzleloader) seems to be at odds with lengthening gun season. The argument of “we’re all hunters who cares which weapon” seems like you’d be against the xbow change and for the gun change; or the argument of wanting more bucks to survive the year into the next age class you’d support the xbow change and be against the gun change. But in any case, this is the time to get your thoughts heard. Don’t miss it!

Theses rules are like hey Wisconsin no more Packers we are trading teams with Illionis.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Ha, actually more like Detroit? And I'm a Lions fan 😲

I agree with the crossbow limitation during the rut.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

So take 50% of WI bowhunters out of the rut? If we take that step, let's take the compound hunters out of the rut too. Just to be fair and not disrespectful to one segment of bowhunters.

Most of these ideas are bad but closing archery for 2 or 5 days before rifle is not a bad idea. It wasn't long ago it was closed. Nobody will quit bow hunting if that was changed . WI is losing almost 10000 hunters a year.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

It just doesn't need to happen...serves zero purpose. Except to take days of the rut away from bowhunters - only purpose. Also it was just 1 day off last...maybe 15 years ago? Still unnecessary and placating to a small % of whining gun hunters, but better than the 2-5 days proposed.

@wideopenoutdoors2087

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 The purpose would be to let deer have a break from hunting pressure. We are losing too many hunters with the current structure.

Jeff in the past you have mentioned a "Joe Hunter" who has sat in a blind for forty years looking over a pile of sugar beets. To him that is deer hunting. Every couple of years he gets a deer and about one third of those deer are bucks. One time he got a dandy and it hangs on the wall of his northwoods cabin. Lately he seems to be seeing fewer deer and a lot less bucks. Then he reads that bowhunters are taking 42% of the bucks BEFORE gun season. He asks himself "Why do they get to go first? Why do they get to hunt the rut and not me?" He works in a factory 50 weeks a year down south and only gets to hunt for one week. When bowhunters were killing 5% of the deer and 2% of the bucks he didn't worry much about bowhunters but now their actions are affecting HIM! He feels he is getting cheated and wants his old gun season back. If you are wondering where the political push is coming from for these proposed changes well there are a lot more Joe Hunters out there then you think.

@travisethridge4062

4 жыл бұрын

joe hunter needs to evolve and adapt

@myronlaidler8034

4 жыл бұрын

Of the bucks that are killed why are firearm hunters allowed to take 58%? works both ways...

Absolutely some of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard. How ridiculous. I really hope they don’t follow through with ANY of these.

Here we go again with the tired old "they are taking the best hunting days from my virtuous method of hunting and giving those prime days to that less virtuous method" discussions. One of these days I sincerely hope these constant complaints about the advantages given to one method of deer hunting (bow, crossbow, knife, spear, gun, bare handed strangulation, or whatever one thinks is more "virtuous" than the other methods) to the other methods by the aficionados of any given method during "their time" is going to cause the regulators to declare the deer season to be from this date to that date with weapon of choice and no special set aside dates reserved for any particular method. I chose not to bow hunt, tried it a bit back the high school years of 1970 and 1971 with a Bear 45# recurve bow and a home made climber that required bear hugging the tree to go up and down. Never really persisted in the pursuit, but I digress. My point is hunting "the rut" should not "belong" to any particular method of harvest just as the deer don't "belong" to the guy with the best food plots when they wander across the line and get killed by the do nothing neighbor. Honestly, I think one way to shut these arguments and the claims of "you are taking our days and giving them to those guys" is to limit hunters to only one weapon method per year. Here in MS deer season is 10-1 through 1-31 of the next year and archery is legal the entire 4 months. During that time archery gets exclusive first rights from 10-1 through the first weekend of November and still they complained when the opening of squirrel season was moved from the middle Sat of Oct to Oct 1st because it cut into "their" time of being in the woods with no guns around. My point is that it seems archery hunters and with the allowing of crossbows, it became the "real bow" hunters are the only ones I ever see or hear complaining about the regulators giving other method hunters any of "their" time while most of them lay the bow down and go to the gun ASAP when the season designation changes.

@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't have time to read your post, but it's about balance and the impact on all hunters and herd. The big picture. WI already has balance...no need to make changes that destroy the quality of the herd, diminish land values and pacify special interest groups. Watch the video, become educated and make an informed decision for providing input if you are a WI resident. If you are not a WI resident, then hope these proposals never come your way. BTW, the Rut belongs to all hunters. Everyone has a choice to participate by picking up a weapon that is appropriate for the season. You are either a deer hunter or not...and that includes all weapons. The impact of those weapons per the time of the season they are used, should be weighed by all competent resource managers. If a person is really a deer hunter and wants to hunt an archery rut portion of the season...then pick up a bow and enjoy the hunt.

@bucmeister7713

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Yes, I know we all have the right to pick up the "appropriate" weapon for the season and it seems that when "the rut" is involved for some reason the avid archery hunters strenuously advocate that it should be by their preferred method, knowing full well it doing so significantly lowers the "competition" against other hunters due to less hunters in the woods. An answer might be to have rut fall in gun season odd numbered years and archery the even numbered years. Share and share alike!! I do not agree with rut being relegated to always fall in favor of one more restrictive method of harvest, (restrictive being in ability), thankfully my state of MS does not have our primary, secondary, nor tertiary rut periods in an archery only exclusive window and still they and the auto insurance industry complains that hunters are not killing enough deer. Auto Ins Companies are influencing management decisions more than most can ever fathom. They threaten to raise rates unless something is done about the herd numbers, Ins Commissioner gets word to Game Dept Commissioners and the game is on to expand the kill numbers. At least that is my opinion.

@landonzimmerman5431

4 жыл бұрын

@@bucmeister7713 @Bucmeister This shouldn't be about what weapons we are using, it should be about maintaining a strong deer herd. If the firearm season opens during the rut, the deer herd will be destroyed in a matter of years. Last year was hard for the firearm season because of the late start date and the weather was rough. This season will be better - it's just the rotation of the calendar. As someone who rifle hunts, I was also disappointed. The reason archery season has the advantage of hunting during the rut is because the efficiency of archery equipment is no where near that of a firearm. I also enjoy bowhunting. I don't do that because I think I am more "righteous" than those who hunt with a firearm. I do it because I love hunting. If these new regulations pass, hunting will become more difficult for everyone. These regulations will grant one fantastic firearm season but then we will end up looking like Michigan. (No offense Michigan hunters)