there is an interesting thing going on with scaling. at first, for a little bit of money you get a huge amount of value. at some point, the rate of diminishing returns kicks in. and if you scale the thing you are doing even more up, you suddenly have to pay an extra price. for example: doing a website. at first, you can yourself do a bit of HTML, pretty basic. if you use some CMS (like wordpress) you start to be able to do more, but for things like plugins and themes you start to pay money (since you can't do that yourself anymore). and then, doing a custom website. for a tiny bit of improvement compared to the previous wordpress site, you have to pay a huge amount of investment. changing procedures does not equal linear cost development. not that i have any knowledge about the processes involved at ACRNM, and i think that is exactly the point. many people are commenting about stuff like ARCNMs quality and prices, and only from very few of the people we know that they actually have some knowledge on ARCNM itself or the industry as a whole. of course we as consumers are qualified to give our thoughts and feedback, but then the second problem comes into play: discussing in the internet is both great (almost everybody has access to it, and we get many different options/viewpoints/thoughts presented in a nice way) and terrible (we know very few people personally and can seldom judge their competence in the matter we are discussing. of course there are exceptions, and i assume many people in the techwear community want to be knowledgeable, but after all much of the things discussed is specualation, since we dont know the decisions and reasons ACRNM has to do. after all, it is like you said: ACRNM is a premium designer brand with processes that are hugely different to the budget options, and the level of quality they are trying to achieve is going to cost goes up in a non-linear way, sort of unpredictable. maybe the effort to communicate with the factories ad the search for the factories themselves was so hard that they had to get that money back from the customer (who then hopefully has the opportunity in future releases to get more fo the jackets since maybe they dont sell out so quickly). and maybe my thoughs are complete rubbish. anyway, thanks for making a video about this topic, i think with ACRNM having such a huge influence on techwear everything acrnm related is an interesting topic of discussion.

@DakotaPerez1

5 жыл бұрын

Sew Much Black you put my thoughts into much more eloquent words and your analogy using web design was super palatable for me at least because I’m currently dabbling in that lol.

@SewMuchBlack

5 жыл бұрын

@@DakotaPerez1 what are you trying to do? I have a bit of experience with Linux Debian and wordpress (I do my website by myself, hosting a Linux server and doing everything backend and frontend related by myself - using wordpress as a CMS), maybe I can assist. The web design analogy of getting things more complicated in different situations actually came from a wordpress meetup where somebody explained that phenomenon.

A lot of companies employed Chinese manufacturer to make the products is because of the low labor costs here; they want to save more money and make more profits from it. Some people have some prejudice about Chinese manufacturing which is absurd, they constantly think Chinese manufacturing is the emblem of low-quality stuff, so the thing I won't argue is that acronym team just altered the location manufacturer, and their primary purpose seems to save money but not lower their garment's quality by changing their manufacturing to China. Not all the Chinese manufacturing sucks, the acronym team must choose a manufacturer elaborately so that they will produce the same quality products as the previous iteration which made in Europe.

I like the table. So proper. Yes please, more vids like this.

What is it where people don’t realize that China is fully capable of extremely high quality textile manufacturing?

Wooh. Dakota rockin a nice haircut.

You can produce any quality in China depending on price, if the money follows you can get the best smartphone there right, in the other hand people are waiting for a kind of drop on prices for ACRONYM , cause since the Nike colabs , suddenly they're becoming more and more and more expensive, errolson justifies himself all the the time saying he needed CZ manufactures but now what? Why moving to china if you only drop the price for 14% ? People paying top money for their products just like to know they have something made in Europe, and if is not , well a massive price drop, what we got now? Now you have any of those so people become skeptical with the man...

Awsome vid bro, havnet Steen it yet bit you always have good content!

A dope, but expensive giveaway would be a free custom to RosenX or Enfin Leve.

Fresh cut bro

Yeah, people know that China can do decent stuff ...for the price. NOBODY goes to China for BEST quality. They go for good enough quality at cost effective prices. So I think you're spot on about the price. People will accept a higher cost for a European-made, even cheaper Eastern European, because of things like the expectations of higher wages, better working conditions, and better environmental controls compared to China's rather history in those areas. People will look the other way on the negatives of manufacturing in China if the quality is sufficient, and the price is right. He's clearly done it for higher margins, yet the pricing is still pretty astronomical for clothing. For comparison take some UF Pro Stryker Gen 3 combat pants, made in Slovenia compared to Acronym P23A-DS pants made in Czechia, or perhaps China now too. The UF Pro pants require more labour, are heavier duty, have multiple specialized location fabric types, are available in a FAR wider fitment range, but even with the optional adjustable kneepads come in about 25% the price of the Acronyms. Acronym's just fashion brand pricing at this point. Material and manufacturing cost is a FRACTION of the retail price whether made in the EU or in China, so Errolson did it purely out of money in his multiple pockets. Either the unit price went down with the move to Chinese the factory, the production volume went up, or most likely both.

I love techwear but I hate when people in fandoms think there the grand elders who decide wht is and isn't allowed for the rest of the fandom

@indybingyi

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, but when you sell jackets for 3000 euros, which were made in europe before, and don't tell customers you moved your production to china, sell for the same price, I can see why people get upset

@cloud8639

2 жыл бұрын

@@indybingyi The thing is quality is not related to countries but supervision of the owner. It’s just goretex pro fabrics, not 10nm chips. China is more than capable of manufacturing as good jackets, if not better, as Czech. I had an EU J27 and this Chinese J1, and they had the same quality. The only problem I had with stuff made in China is the size tag of S24 melting down after sweating on it, which I think is a fuck up in picking the materials instead of production. Another thing is that most of the ppl who complained about this are those who bought acronym years ago when a jacket retailed under 800 euro, and they are no longer a customer anymore. They hope the acronym stays in that price range, which is impossible due to inflation and growing popularity of the brand. E’s preparing for his retirement bb.

you should do an indepth video on knockoff tech brands like taobao, and whether some of them are actually not that bad for clothes in general, or whether they belong in techweqr at all

@DakotaPerez1

5 жыл бұрын

If I am able to find brands that carry my size, I would be open to more taobao style reviews. Most the brands bottoms either are too short for my leg length or the waist is too small. Also tops might come in too small for me. Need some big boi asian brands to fit my body lol.

@SewMuchBlack

5 жыл бұрын

@@DakotaPerez1 i doubt that there are big boi asian brands

@asulfr999

5 жыл бұрын

@@DakotaPerez1 You should try ''Pupil Travel'' stuff, it is kinda large and tall. I usually wear S or M sizes and their stuff are often little bit too large and tall for me.

Nice video but I hope you changed the table since then lol

I won’t spend this much on a brand even though I’m a Nikelab ACG aficionado. The main concern I think ACRNM should have is the employees that are actually making his items don’t steal the designs/schematics/blueprints and start offering a very similar replica/fake of his products. As far as I know due to the low wages in manufacturing jobs in China and the reward potential is huge in this scenario Errolson might have created a monster!

@M0ebius

5 жыл бұрын

Garments are among the easiest things for piraters to reverse engineer. You don’t need a blueprint to make replicas - just buy a real one and open it up.

@TheGiantBunnysaid

5 жыл бұрын

"schematics/blueprints" Lmfao. It's garments my man. Such things are called patterns as in pattern making. The two dimensional drawings onto fabric/paper which then fabric is cut from and sown together to create three dimensional garments. You talk as if low wage in the garment industry isn't low across the board. China just happens to be an easy target and scapegoat for such ignorant discussion for obvious reasons...

My Visvim boots made in China. The fact is Quality got guaranteed only when price is solid. And it doesn’t really matter where it was made. lower the price, poorer the products. This time Chinese tech wear enthusiasts will appreciate it if you really hates Chinese products. Just save them for us.

Too bad he never responded to my tweet you showed here. A lot of people seemed to agree with it.

I'm hoping a move to China will make it cheaper in price, but I just hope it doesn't drop in quality. I foresee a beautiful future where every man woman and child is clad in techwear.

@carrieroflight5633

5 жыл бұрын

Idiot.

does China= cheaper? I’ve been to mainland China several times and there are brands there I’ve never even heard of in the west for price points beyond my pre-exposed beliefs. Other designer that comes to mind is Hiroki Nakamura of Visvim, who simply sources manufacturing wherever he feels comfortable, including China

underwear giveaway :)

@SewMuchBlack

5 жыл бұрын

thats actually a nice idea! a pair of good boxer briefs with some breathability (and for the male viewers compartments for the balls if preferable) does not cost too much and is one of the most important parts of a techwear outfit even though nobody shows that in a fit pic.

Not really a fan of Acrnym. Still prefer MW in term of style.

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