Accurately Set Your Saddle Height with the 109% Method

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No method for finding saddle height is perfect. There are many variables involved in bike fit. But I've found this saddle height method to be the most accurate.
After setting your saddle height with this method, you still may adjust it up or down slightly to what feels best. Remember, if you're getting knee pain on the back or side of the knee, your saddle may be too high. If you're getting pain on the front of the knee, your saddle may be too low.
Here's a link to the very quick heel method that I mentioned in the video:
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  • @zairemrenthlei9478
    @zairemrenthlei94784 жыл бұрын

    Great, now I have to buy a book

  • @eicidbrein

    @eicidbrein

    3 жыл бұрын

    Underrated comment

  • @wgresw24

    @wgresw24

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'll bring the book if you bring the pencil lol 😂

  • @Bicycles-ot9wl

    @Bicycles-ot9wl

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly what your local Public Library is there for!

  • @AnthonyOrtega-ki4mx

    @AnthonyOrtega-ki4mx

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Bicycles-ot9wl 😂

  • @justinsquires7240

    @justinsquires7240

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great now I have to buy a book and a pencil

  • @conalodonoghue7147
    @conalodonoghue71474 жыл бұрын

    Shout out to your son. His cameo made the video!

  • @richardharker2775
    @richardharker27755 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. I've paid for 3 bike fits. One an ex pro, a 'certified' Retul fitter and a physical therapist. All had my saddle height higher than what I thought was comfortable. Over the years I've experimented by feel and settled on a measurement, like yours from the pedal face, and your 109% comes within 1 millimetre. If you had this video a few years ago I could have saved heaps and given you commission. Thank you Clint. I like your simple no nonsense approach to cycling.

  • @Dude-Smellmyhelmet

    @Dude-Smellmyhelmet

    5 жыл бұрын

    Paid for a bike fit.... what does that even mean

  • @josephphillips865

    @josephphillips865

    5 жыл бұрын

    A monetary exchange for a service.

  • @MrCheckitout123

    @MrCheckitout123

    5 жыл бұрын

    saddle aft, foot placement with shoe on, cleat placement on shoes, stem height, stem rise, bar width, so much more goes into fitting than just saddle height. some saddle have more give plus when you apply load to the pedals when seated angles change due to the rider sliding back into the wedge of the seat...that is why you need fitting. interesting to see power output one vs other.

  • @ToThePointCT

    @ToThePointCT

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Dude-Smellmyhelmet it's a new scam people do. Whenever people get knee pain the absolute first thing people say is, well a bike should not hurt the knees, if it does it's a bike fit problem as it simply should not hurt. They say this in order to attract customers to pay for a bike fit and the customer hopes this will solve all of their problems. When people get knee pain from cycling what these people forget to mention is the 100 other variables that can cause knee pain. What they also forgot to mention is it is actually far more likely that these 100 other variables are the cause for knee pain. One particular variable is overtraining. It doesn't matter how perfectly you think your bike is set up, if you have never cycled before and go out 30 miles a day everyday in massive gears up huge hills, grinding away ...it's going to hurt. I personally think the bike fitting industry is an absolute scandal. Regarding saddle height ballpark is good enough

  • @Dude-Smellmyhelmet

    @Dude-Smellmyhelmet

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ToThePointCT No I was being kinda sarcastic. I know what bike fit is, and yes a bike should be the right size. You don't wanna be reaching way forward on a huge bike if you're 5'3". But paying someone to tell you which bike is your size and how high the seat should be is def silly. It's like paying the kid at McDonald's to tell you which size fries go w my shake

  • @midnight4109
    @midnight41095 жыл бұрын

    I never understood how to adjust the seat and always had problems with the ride. 109 method worked and now the bike is so much easier to ride. Thanks Clint, now I know what to do when my new bike comes in.

  • @jamesajjr72
    @jamesajjr725 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! I have been pondering 🤔 over this issue for a while now, but you have made it much easier to fix. I have two different bikes with different crank lengths. I been using the other formula to figure it out, but it was not putting me in my optimum position on my TT bike with longer crank arms. However, your 109 formula put right where I needed to be. Thanks for the insight!

  • @rayfok
    @rayfok4 жыл бұрын

    I’m new to cycling, and have been tweaking saddle height with .883 and other methods on my new canyon grail several times and still can’t get it right .... saw your video & your method nails it! Thank you

  • @spencerbron8096
    @spencerbron80964 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Clint. As always your information is thorough without being repetitive and monotonous. When wanting too fine tune one of my rides i look forward to learning form you. Happy holidays.

  • @AaronSchroder
    @AaronSchroder5 жыл бұрын

    Another victory for the metric system! 😀 Thanks for the video Clint.

  • @LongStraightLines

    @LongStraightLines

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh pleeeease USA.. catch up with the rest of the world and go metric! It's so easy!

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    5 жыл бұрын

    100% agree

  • @MikeR65

    @MikeR65

    5 жыл бұрын

    LongStraightLines don’t hold your breath.

  • @DavidKent0407

    @DavidKent0407

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@LongStraightLines Absolutely agree. Only the USA, Myanmar and Liberia haven't gone metric.

  • @Dude-Smellmyhelmet

    @Dude-Smellmyhelmet

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@LongStraightLines Why does it matter? It's easy to convert from one unit to the other and back. There are no laws telling Americans not to use metric....

  • @wss327
    @wss3274 жыл бұрын

    Great!!! I always used the "slight bent knee at extension" and pain pain pain, numb numb numb!!! I couldn't figure it out. Then I heard about lowering to the point where the hips stop rocking, well, it got better but always have to eyeball it. But this 109% is just great! Thank you!

  • @mostlikelywedoitservices6926
    @mostlikelywedoitservices69264 жыл бұрын

    Before marking your wall with a marking device. Run a piece of blue masking tape up the wall for the area that is going to receive the mark. when done remove the tape.

  • @davidson2004fatboy

    @davidson2004fatboy

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bob Sieburg IDIOT R U F ING KIDDING

  • @corporatesubmarine
    @corporatesubmarine4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you my MAN! After three years of various knee and pelvis pain a sat down today on my bike and it felt proper. I had my saddle set 10 cm higher than it should be and every cyclist in my area told me it's okay I should just tweak it couple of cm. Thanks again. My knees are straight and I don't hit the top tube anymore upper body feels relaxed and pedal stroke is smooth.. SMOOTH AS HELL. Recommended to everyone

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's awesome! Ride on.

  • @RyanMarcyesOutdoors
    @RyanMarcyesOutdoors5 жыл бұрын

    That was awesome, I have been riding for 30yrs. And never have I seen or heard of this. I always went with slight bend in the knee at the bottom stroke of the pedal. Never wanted to pay for a professional fitting. Thanks for such a great job and all the great content🤙🏽👍🏽🤘🏽. Live-Life-Loud

  • @silentumexcubitor6747

    @silentumexcubitor6747

    5 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking exactly what you said! I enjoyed the video, but found it VERY confusing! (I've been watching a LOT of European Pro racing videos lately, and most of the seat heights *look* *too* *low*, based on the method we use.... Their legs look *too* bent at the bottom of the pedal stroke. Could be they are pointing down toes, heels raised, so it *looks* like their seat is too low, but really isn't. I'm VERY comfortable with my seat height, after 50+ years riding, and can feel a 1/8 - 1/4 inch change easily within a few hundred yards of riding!.... The point of the way WE learned was not to over-stretch muscles on back of leg.... Also we learned sit on seat, put *heel* on pedal, straighten leg, fine tune seat height from their.... Bicycle shops used to have a "Fit Kit" device, I remember....

  • @BadBent

    @BadBent

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@silentumexcubitor6747 From what I've seen (and you are right), European Pro racing seat height is based on mashing pedals and power meters. So the meter says you produce more power at X height and that is where you set it. Then go mash gears until you get strong enough to ride with everyone. The 109 method allows for ankling, spinning and full stretch as you have used. IMHO, better and yes, the "pros" look uncomfortable. Have fun!

  • @harrison0550
    @harrison05503 жыл бұрын

    I rarely comment on videos but this was an amazing help. I’ve been fighting with seat height for a while now. So much I was ready to pay for a professional bike fit I’ve been so annoyed with getting my seat right. This worked perfectly the first try. The seat and ride has never felt better. Thank you!

  • @sks4347
    @sks43474 жыл бұрын

    Simple, explained neatly. Perfect. Going to try this immediately.

  • @omarlopez8596
    @omarlopez85963 жыл бұрын

    Very clear explanation!! Thanks and pass kudos to your son! He had the most significant role in the video!

  • @tgfedi
    @tgfedi5 жыл бұрын

    I've been constantly rising my saddle height over the last year to find my optimal pedaling position. I think i've got it right in the last few weeks (casual rider). Now i've seen your video and it's spot on 109%! Thank you! Kind regards from Romania!

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    5 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @shaunbrits7923
    @shaunbrits79234 жыл бұрын

    Today i did the 109 method and reduced my normal lap time by 4:37 on a 20km cross country ride. Thanx dude. Awesome Cameo btw.

  • @kdesign73
    @kdesign732 жыл бұрын

    In the early 2000's I went through a fit system by wobble-naught - approach, and the results are pretty much similar to your results. Although the size of a shoe, its thickness, and the pedal system are taken into account with wobble-naught. This is a great video and a huge help for people who don't have access to a professional or personalized fit!

  • @michaelwise1785
    @michaelwise17854 жыл бұрын

    Info that saved me a lot of money! I always thought it was more complicated than this; But, I have a history of making things more difficult than they should be! Thanks. Love the Niner! I’ve owned a Rip9 & Jet9 Carbon...

  • @cameronlesley2428
    @cameronlesley24283 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Clint, I’ve just been and drawn on my wall and fixed all my bikes . Life changing video thanks

  • @JL-tc3pf
    @JL-tc3pf4 жыл бұрын

    I started riding 64 years ago on a Raleigh 3 speed. I was told to adjust your saddle height to the notch right below your hipbone. Which I've done since. Using the 1.09 method I find I'm .5 CM low.

  • @laureeeent

    @laureeeent

    3 жыл бұрын

    J L which one is best for you? The hip or the 109% rule?

  • @JL-tc3pf

    @JL-tc3pf

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@laureeeent ; I'm not suer. I have one leg that is 1/2" longer than the other so that complicates things but I'm using the shorter height for that reason

  • @TomZ23
    @TomZ235 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I've done few seat height adjustments by what I felt was best over the last few years of riding. After watching this video, I just checked it's height against what this formula calculates and it is dead-on. Nice!

  • @thetubeschannel
    @thetubeschannel3 жыл бұрын

    I finally get it - this was the best explaination so far - thanks - been wondering for so long.

  • @AndrewLohmannKent
    @AndrewLohmannKent5 жыл бұрын

    I had not adjusted the saddle on my bike since perhaps 1975-ish. I set it by another method then but I was advised to set it another way last year. I had not used the bike for many decades and it is a very lite to peddle bike and has always felt as if it helps me along. The method recommended last year to me probably gave the same result. - Adjust the saddle with one foot on the ground and the other seated and at almost maximum stretch the ball of my big toe pushing the peddle set the saddle so that at maximum length my leg is almost straight. This has given me some more power and made cycling even easier. I start off by slightly jumping to launch myself off, as was explained to me.

  • @lostman65
    @lostman655 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the video clint! very helpful

  • @jurepog
    @jurepog3 жыл бұрын

    I think this is a great place to start! For me, this method yielded a result that was too high as my whole pelvis would shift on either side on the downstrokes, but from there I just started lowering the saddle height by 5mm and after a couple of tests the height was perfect.

  • @DR_1_1

    @DR_1_1

    3 ай бұрын

    It's also 4-5 centimeters too high for me, the 0.883 method is more appropriate in my case. In fact I don't see how the pedal length could be 20% of the inseam (109 - 88.3 = 20.7%)!

  • @rhunt811
    @rhunt8114 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Just got a new saddle and set this up perfectly. Great method - very accurate.

  • @Oboingo13
    @Oboingo135 жыл бұрын

    Per Usual, your stuff is very informative.. Have used many a vids to help with all kinds of stuff.. 🤘👍 Thanx Clint!

  • @mark333ful
    @mark333ful5 жыл бұрын

    Credits to the assistant ahahja best part of the video

  • @DavidJKM

    @DavidJKM

    5 жыл бұрын

    In case we didn't know what a pencil looks like

  • @santiagobenites

    @santiagobenites

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidJKM Thank you!

  • @supernoobsmith5718
    @supernoobsmith57185 жыл бұрын

    I find it useful to be open about moving the height often. Sometimes changing it a quarter inch or so allows relief in some muscles. Plus there are variables, like saddle softness, shoes, and possibly small changes in your body. As you work out, muscles swell, etc, etc.

  • @bubbaslaughter6030
    @bubbaslaughter60304 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Really nice to find a method that takes crank length into the equation. !!!

  • @kiverrussell8369
    @kiverrussell83695 жыл бұрын

    Very clear method, thanks. As it turns out was bang on so made me feel better having had the same height for years!

  • @user-sv1sw9ev3w
    @user-sv1sw9ev3w5 жыл бұрын

    It really depends on shoes type. When riding with clip shoes, seat feels lower while on normal shoes seat is too high

  • @sisophous

    @sisophous

    4 жыл бұрын

    Exactly!!! I tried sitting on the bike at the shop wearing jeans and sneakers and it was impossible to know. I told the owner I had to return home and get my cycling shoes because wearing sneakers was impossible to know. He cut down the saddle post to lower the saddle and fortunately we stopped there. When I returned with my cycling shoes the saddle actually felt a tiny bit too low but he can raise it. This video is a great find and I will see what I come up with. UPDATE: My new saddle is 87.2 from pedal to top of saddle, spot on accurate using this method to the tenth digit but it felt slightly low. I compared that to my old bike that was 89 so that is why the new saddle felt a bit low. I had been riding for years with my saddle almost 2 cm too high.

  • @K03sport
    @K03sport5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for no ads. I'll give it a try.

  • @letterzx

    @letterzx

    5 жыл бұрын

    Got an ad at the end, watched it. If you want quality stuff like this ya gotta support somehow!

  • @OnuthTHURURSTROMTAL
    @OnuthTHURURSTROMTAL4 жыл бұрын

    Great method, wasn't aware of it and thanks a lot for sharing it with us Clint. As for the mark on the wall, must admit it's easier when you have an assistant...! 😉👍😎

  • @philsilva13
    @philsilva134 жыл бұрын

    Great vid Clint and really helpful! Just realised my dropper was too high and have saved the measurement to my phone so I won't forget it! Great job!

  • @awen9164
    @awen91644 жыл бұрын

    Holy cow! just measured my road and gravel bikes and ive naturally set them up to this height, fantastic advice and good to know the simple formula

  • @888jucu

    @888jucu

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mine was same down to the mm 😄👍

  • @jasonhaagensen4118
    @jasonhaagensen41185 жыл бұрын

    lol "get back in there son, we aren't ready for you"

  • @bradshearman4570
    @bradshearman45704 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to give this a shot and give feedback. Thank you for the video.

  • @MikeR65
    @MikeR655 жыл бұрын

    You are the one stop shop for bike info!

  • @AccFinEco
    @AccFinEco5 жыл бұрын

    Great vid! 👍 Love your useful assistant. 🤣

  • @jimjr4432

    @jimjr4432

    5 жыл бұрын

    Needs a credit!

  • @follyfour506
    @follyfour5063 жыл бұрын

    This came up on my recommended , I was only THINKING about this earlier .

  • @lanceadriancadiz3719

    @lanceadriancadiz3719

    3 жыл бұрын

    In that case Yt can read your mind bro hahahaha lol

  • @contactsaavy
    @contactsaavy4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Clint, I had done myself out of an inch and you know how important that extra inch is to a man! Now my seat is set for the max power and best stride :). Oh and using a stick tip from Roger was useful

  • @nockee
    @nockee Жыл бұрын

    Mine was exactly right using this method. Surprised me. Thanks for this.

  • @PlayGamesRideBikes
    @PlayGamesRideBikes5 жыл бұрын

    Just got my new Canyon Ultimate in and installed the seat at a level that “looked” right. After doing the 109% method I realized that I NAILED the height just by eyeing it. I’ll probably never do that again lol

  • @mazerickd

    @mazerickd

    5 жыл бұрын

    I've come to the conclusion after riding for a long time I can almost get the height right on. Demoing a lot of bikes probably helped

  • @omegatours7158

    @omegatours7158

    3 жыл бұрын

    ( ) x 0,883 is beter ...

  • @nicolasribes8394

    @nicolasribes8394

    3 жыл бұрын

    Omega Tours with this you ll receive another résult what do you exactly mean ?

  • @omegatours7158

    @omegatours7158

    3 жыл бұрын

    this method is from 1967 when other types of sprinters were driven and berths were used as well as different seats and nowadays different systems are used so the 109% or x 1.09 model is not applicable nowadays I personally tested it on my BMC bicycle (in my opinion, the most reliable would be the coefficient () x 0.89 greetings from SRB

  • @nicolasribes8394

    @nicolasribes8394

    3 жыл бұрын

    Omega Tours but with your you receive and result smaller and with the other One receive you One bigger result i mean with your méthode you are too low One your position

  • @Alexander-lm9uz
    @Alexander-lm9uz5 жыл бұрын

    A very good method to check if ur Position is correct is to check the pain in ur legs. If u have some spots with pain and others without u need to correct it until u feel all ur muscles back,front leg, arse.

  • @Bicycles-ot9wl
    @Bicycles-ot9wl3 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Many riders I see on the bike paths have their seats very low which makes them unstable and prone to sore legs and knees. When appropriate I recommend this video to them with the following proviso; “If you are uncomfortable at 109% start at 102% and ride for a while, then move to 105%, then 109% when you can”. Also, I ride on flat pedals on my MTB and path bikes so I measure the inseam with my shoes on because they have fairly thick soles. I find the 109% rule still works fine.

  • @TenthMeli
    @TenthMeli4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video ! Helped me properly adjust my saddle height.

  • @trailratso
    @trailratso3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Clint - thanks for this. I adjusted the saddle height earlier today as soon as I finished watching the video. Long story short, the saddle was set at a hair higher than 96cm (my inseam is 86cm!) -- needless to say, too high (the original LBS where I bought the bike a couple of years ago fitted me for the frame and I hadn't touched it until this morning). I lowered the saddle to 94cm (86 x 1.09 = 93.74cm) and I can't believe the difference! The comfort is through the roof! No more numb "undercarriage" or hands - or foot/feet for that matter! How is this possible?! Anyway, I thought the fit was OK because my hips never rocked and I never struggled to transfer power to the pedals although I couldn't understand why I was experiencing such discomfort all the time. And all it took was lowering the saddle by 2 bloody centimetres! THANK YOU!

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback. Ride on!

  • @zacszuberski
    @zacszuberski5 жыл бұрын

    Measuring the length of my crank is always fun.

  • @BAK87

    @BAK87

    5 жыл бұрын

    XD

  • @JL-tc3pf

    @JL-tc3pf

    4 жыл бұрын

    Do you have to use two hands?

  • @soulmaaan
    @soulmaaan Жыл бұрын

    This 3 year old vid is still the most effective method i've learned and still using

  • @laurentiussoepomo7747
    @laurentiussoepomo77474 жыл бұрын

    Quick, easy and accurate. Very good video.

  • @TrailBreaker
    @TrailBreaker5 жыл бұрын

    A quick method I use when renting bikes is to just set the height to perfect when my leg is straight with my heel on the pedal all the way out. fine tune from there

  • @Maximinecraft143

    @Maximinecraft143

    5 жыл бұрын

    you should Bend your knee just a tiny bit, because if it's totally straight it will make to move your body side to side while on the track

  • @jerryavalos9610
    @jerryavalos96104 жыл бұрын

    I am been cycling since the 1980's and went in for a bike fit. I am so glad that I went and it was an interesting experience. The fit wasn't based on any rigid formula even though the bike fitter did say that Lemond's formula (inseam x .883 = saddle height) was only a starting point. I have one leg shorter than the other which he says is common since most humans are not evenly proportional. His challenge was to get my seat height at where I was cycling efficiently with both legs. After an hour and a half and a dozen seat changes and using both a Goniometer, plumb bob, and putting on a wide flat saddle to stabilize my hips because for a man I have wide sit bones. He got me where he was happy with my pedaling, he finally got to where adjustments was within a milimeter, extremely thorough man and meticulous. Taking out my bike for a ride was a whole new experience, efficiency on my bike was off the charts and my hand numbness was gone. The guy was awesome, I came home feeling like I rode my bike, but not tired at all and barely broke a sweat. I was fortunate that my frame size was perfect for me, but I actually recommend that you go in and get fitted first before purchasing a bicycle.

  • @mjjohn7715
    @mjjohn77155 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Clint , I will try this.

  • @fredghusby8058
    @fredghusby80585 жыл бұрын

    I follow everything that is over 100%. Thank you! Now I'll get the problem of transferring this to my recumbent trike. Maybe you'll create a video where you calculate the optimal angle between the sitting position and the drive wheel?

  • @kennylex
    @kennylex5 жыл бұрын

    As it is often said, in comedy and instructional videos timing is everything :-)

  • @tomfu6210
    @tomfu62104 жыл бұрын

    When you are 5, your father says: "Do not draw on the wall!" You come 15 and he goes: "Take the pencil and mark my crotch level on the wall!" :-D

  • @gazg00

    @gazg00

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂😂

  • @josezuniga9220

    @josezuniga9220

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂🤣👍🏽

  • @sleepycatsqueeze

    @sleepycatsqueeze

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yup 😂😂

  • @alan_kylim

    @alan_kylim

    4 жыл бұрын

    lol Thats a good one.

  • @carstenschroder7054

    @carstenschroder7054

    4 жыл бұрын

    E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. LOL! Wait till mom comes home!

  • @808threadripper6
    @808threadripper63 жыл бұрын

    This worked awesome. Thank you a million.

  • @Thiagarajah1
    @Thiagarajah15 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this is great tip. Don't know if it's scientific or clinical but I will buy it. Thanks, Clint. Happy biking.

  • @keithnoyes2941
    @keithnoyes29414 жыл бұрын

    Clint, I found it interesting how much it varied from setting the seat height with the heel method. I had just reset my seat height that way and then tried the 109% method, and it was 21mm or 7/8" lower at 109%. I didn't expect the two approaches to vary that much. Which one do you prefer? So my seat was definitely too high. I should have checked it when I bought a new pair of 5 10's a year and a half ago, they were a lower profile shoe than I was wearing.

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is the ultimate method and one I recommend if you get that much variance. kzread.info/dash/bejne/no5lwZaBnbi-grw.html

  • @BatCountryAdventures
    @BatCountryAdventures5 жыл бұрын

    So I use the heel method with a bit of fine tuning and that's good enough for me.

  • @Thunderstruck666666

    @Thunderstruck666666

    3 жыл бұрын

    Anyone tried the 110% method?

  • @allthingsTechrelated
    @allthingsTechrelated5 жыл бұрын

    Most helpful information. Thanks

  • @keearun
    @keearun4 жыл бұрын

    I always wondered why some people had their seat high and some low. Found this information useful. Will use this method to adjust my seat height.

  • @jacksmelser8257
    @jacksmelser82575 жыл бұрын

    Add instructions and logic on setting seat angle up, down, level please?

  • @thesupernad

    @thesupernad

    3 жыл бұрын

    Every seat is made to be different angle, but in general they should all be flat. Check out Bike Fit Advisor on youtube. He has some good videos on setting seat angle for road bikes which also translates to mountain bikes. Really for me I set them flat and then ride and make slight adjustments until I'm comfortable. Tilting nose down will cause you to slide forward and put too much pressure on your hands, making your hands numb. Tilting nose high will cut circulation off to your perineum.

  • @NewEnglandDirtRoadie
    @NewEnglandDirtRoadie5 жыл бұрын

    the 0.883 was developed when Greg Lemond was using 80's style cycling shoes and pedals with toe clips. and no matter what, don't ever EVER use a cactus to measure your inseam... DO NOT DO THIS

  • @jugo3558

    @jugo3558

    5 жыл бұрын

    Good tip

  • @TheGrouchDnD

    @TheGrouchDnD

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh man, I didn't read the last part and now I'm all fucked up

  • @Murderbot2000

    @Murderbot2000

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man. I was just reaching for my cactus to use for this.

  • @phillycheesetake

    @phillycheesetake

    5 жыл бұрын

    You can't tell me what to do.

  • @Flying-jl5sk

    @Flying-jl5sk

    5 жыл бұрын

    If you can't ride with cactus spikes you need a better saddle.

  • @darenstoggles6124
    @darenstoggles61242 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for posting this I now realise I have spent the last 30 years riding around on bikes with the seat way to low👍

  • @yompyz
    @yompyz4 жыл бұрын

    This was a very interesting video. I had no idea there was so many ways to adjust saddle height.

  • @kennoon7177
    @kennoon71774 жыл бұрын

    Raise the seat till it hurts then down just a smidge- been working for me since the 60s

  • @VanDungLe2510
    @VanDungLe25105 жыл бұрын

    I think this is the best way to set your own saddle height ever :)) But i think i can make it better though. After you take the 109% result, you should minus the length of the crank. That will eliminate the chance of you getting your crank at the wrong angle, which also make it easier to measure the seat height. Good video as usual (y)

  • @pizzapie4me

    @pizzapie4me

    5 жыл бұрын

    Solid.

  • @D-Dog

    @D-Dog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good call...

  • @scottwhitfield1456

    @scottwhitfield1456

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hmm. Wouldn't you need to make some other adjustment to then get the right height?

  • @kiwisteve408

    @kiwisteve408

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree, but, according to this video, which btw, does not apply the 109% correctly, you measure from "top of pedal" whatever that means...the correct method is to measure from the center of pedal spindle

  • @vaponte8541
    @vaponte85413 ай бұрын

    Best video on saddle height adjustment.

  • @jimo4449
    @jimo4449 Жыл бұрын

    I just followed your method, then checked my bikes, they are already at the measurement determined by your method so whatever method I used it worked, I now have noted my measurement

  • @andyquinones8405
    @andyquinones84054 жыл бұрын

    2:12 when the monster under your bed think your sleep but you’re actually awake

  • @rogerpratley8181
    @rogerpratley81814 жыл бұрын

    Cut a stick of the appropriate length and use this to adjust saddle height, easier than a bendy tape measure.

  • @andriegilsson6623

    @andriegilsson6623

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's clever. I gotta do that.

  • @markmccarty1275

    @markmccarty1275

    3 жыл бұрын

    get a decent tape measure and it works great

  • @monsieurmike2072
    @monsieurmike20723 жыл бұрын

    Excellent info...most appreciated brother

  • @travisjgood02
    @travisjgood025 жыл бұрын

    Great video I’m going to try this

  • @brucelawrence123
    @brucelawrence1235 жыл бұрын

    I can't believe that this is so complicated. Sit on the saddle with the crank at the bottom and your knee slightly bent and there is your height. I have done this with so many people , works every time.

  • @1947froggy

    @1947froggy

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ummm, yeah.

  • @MementoMorIan
    @MementoMorIan4 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty confident in my guestimated saddle height so I did the measurement and then measured the height of my saddle and it was within just about 1.1 cm of what the rule would suggest. I'll chalk it up to a win for team close enough.

  • @carstenschroder7054

    @carstenschroder7054

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lol. That's eleven milimeters off. If that is accurate, then how the hell did you guy's got to the moon? Oh! You used germans. Ok. That explains it. ;)

  • @eduardolerro1
    @eduardolerro14 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I have been having so much trouble trying to do much more complicated techniques, but this was simple, and I hope it will be effective.

  • @paulfaulkner6299
    @paulfaulkner62995 жыл бұрын

    The measuring with a book against the wall is a good idea - thank you

  • @MKcLTM

    @MKcLTM

    5 жыл бұрын

    I dont read i dont have single book at home. What can i do

  • @tingowealeans5712

    @tingowealeans5712

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MKcLTM go to the library

  • @jacksagrafsky4936
    @jacksagrafsky49364 жыл бұрын

    Okay, but what about handlebar height?

  • @datorfilm
    @datorfilm4 жыл бұрын

    How hard am I suppose to push up when measuring? It can vary lile 3-4 cm...? Up until you barely touch the crotch or push it up like you are sitting on the bike? And isn't this measurement different depending on the shoes used?

  • @tallpaull9367

    @tallpaull9367

    4 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, I definitely feel a difference when I am wearing my riding shoes or other footwear. The measurement would be more accurate if wearing your riding shoes. Now, would it still work out to 109% is the question?

  • @christianbeals2001
    @christianbeals20015 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Clint!

  • @harishankarh5909
    @harishankarh59093 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man I was wondering the same thing, you solved it👍

  • @ArthurDayneFirstOfHisName
    @ArthurDayneFirstOfHisName3 жыл бұрын

    I thought “mark” was my que....it isn’t...oh, it is.. 😂

  • @vectorcruzusa
    @vectorcruzusa5 жыл бұрын

    this might be my ignorance showing but don't you need your mtn bike saddle to be lower than your road bike saddle so you have room to absorb more impacts?

  • @tgoods5049

    @tgoods5049

    5 жыл бұрын

    Charlton Cruz no you still want the saddle height that gives you the best peddling efficiency. A dropper post is a great option to lower the saddle when you need more room to maneuver.

  • @ThatMontmorency

    @ThatMontmorency

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@tgoods5049 "Peddling"... Sigh...

  • @tgoods5049

    @tgoods5049

    5 жыл бұрын

    ThatMontmorency more riding, less grammar policing

  • @Verycoolraces
    @Verycoolraces3 жыл бұрын

    This is good. I would add that whenever you change your saddle height if you have to change it more than a few millimeters, especially if you are raising the saddle, you should do it slowly over the course of several days. Allow your muscles to adapt to the new position. This is particularly necessary if you are making a large change in saddle height.

  • @SF-rl7hl
    @SF-rl7hl4 жыл бұрын

    Good simple method thanks!

  • @glennoc8585
    @glennoc85855 жыл бұрын

    You should push the book up hard so the spine of the book is firm against the perinium. Thats what a fitter told me for a diy fit.

  • @JanBartos24

    @JanBartos24

    5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. That actually make sense.

  • @johnwilliamson9453

    @johnwilliamson9453

    5 жыл бұрын

    You're correct, in fact I use a short piece of 2" PVC pipe with a small level on top to make sure it's parallel to the floor, and pull up from the front and back. It compresses the foam like it would be on the saddle.

  • @BadBent

    @BadBent

    5 жыл бұрын

    Glenny, Jan Bartos and John Williamson, even worse(?) we used to use a 12" vinyl LP record cover for the book and slid it up one leg to the 'sit bone'... Perineum. LOL Then measure to the floor in your riding shoes, which were not as thick as they are today. Have fun!

  • @MM-rr1kp

    @MM-rr1kp

    5 жыл бұрын

    sure, sure if thats how you rationalize it. keep lyin to yourself

  • @obscureusername2

    @obscureusername2

    4 жыл бұрын

    I read this without seeing the video

  • @perrywall2532
    @perrywall25324 жыл бұрын

    The 109% method was used during the 70’s. With the advent calendars testing in labs it was proven to be 97%. They did it by measuring the power output at different seat heights.

  • @LarryRichelli

    @LarryRichelli

    2 жыл бұрын

    97% works best for me cuz I can barley reach the pedals using 109%

  • @dipseadiver
    @dipseadiver4 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a great idea. Going to try it out and let you know. Thanks for the tip

  • @TheTennisCompany
    @TheTennisCompany5 жыл бұрын

    After checking my inseam length and going through the calculations my seat height on both my bikes are spot on. I typically use the heel method.

  • @naufalkarim451

    @naufalkarim451

    Жыл бұрын

    i did the same method with you, heel method, and when i used 109 method and did the calculation, woww, my saddle high was spot on too

  • @theremedy8797
    @theremedy87975 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are awesome. You, Seth, BKXC, Bobo, and Single Track are my guys. However, "heighth", as you pronounce it, is not a word. Length, width, height.

  • @joshuamendoza6803

    @joshuamendoza6803

    5 жыл бұрын

    TheRemedy bobo in the Philippines is like Idiot

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    5 жыл бұрын

    www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heighth

  • @jonpaultucker

    @jonpaultucker

    5 жыл бұрын

    Respect your channel choices but you just got schooled by Clint.

  • @pk512279
    @pk5122795 жыл бұрын

    Shouldn't all these methods be considered a starting point, to get you in the ball park? Riding heel up, down or flat & even shoe size can affect the angle of your knee.

  • @ClintGibbs

    @ClintGibbs

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes. As I mentioned in the description below the video, you still may need to adjust your saddle up and down slightly after getting it set with this method.

  • @brauljo

    @brauljo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not to mention whether you how forward or back you set your cleats, and if if using platform pedals, that can also mean a mid foot position

  • @Kielan92
    @Kielan922 жыл бұрын

    My knee pain is gone! Thank you very much for this video! Its impressive how big difference it is with this adjustment. I owe you one

  • @lnioablbtnaua4761
    @lnioablbtnaua47613 жыл бұрын

    Helpfull tips bro!

  • @afptoronto1
    @afptoronto15 жыл бұрын

    Damn. I just did this and realized my seat was too low! Let's see how this feels on the road!

  • @afptoronto1

    @afptoronto1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Answer: yeah, pretty good. Thanks man!

  • @crazydrifter13

    @crazydrifter13

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@afptoronto1 thanks for coming back to comment and delivering on what we needed to read

  • @rushbcykablyat1792

    @rushbcykablyat1792

    3 жыл бұрын

    I tried it and it's very hard for me to land my feet on the ground, only the front part of my feet can touch the ground. Is this normal?

  • @djdelarosa25

    @djdelarosa25

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rushbcykablyat1792 The entire soles of your feet aren't supposed to touch the ground when you're on your saddle.

  • @rushbcykablyat1792

    @rushbcykablyat1792

    3 жыл бұрын

    ​@@djdelarosa25 Ah ok thanks! Just gotta get used to it I guess.

  • @sven7639
    @sven76395 жыл бұрын

    According to calculation, I have to sit 55mm lower than before But it is a Screw in the Way so I try it first with 40mm deeper, before I shorten the Seatpost

  • @Goriaas

    @Goriaas

    5 жыл бұрын

    why shorten it at all? to save 15 grams?

  • @sven7639

    @sven7639

    5 жыл бұрын

    to get the right seat height ! What's your fucking problem?

  • @sreckosvalina9547
    @sreckosvalina95473 жыл бұрын

    Great video Clint . I'd just like to put my take on what I've found using a selle smp saddle. Because it tilts upwards from the centre of the saddle to the back , if you have it all the way back in the rail clamp then the 109% will be too high by 10mm because your measuring through the seat tube and clamp area but your sitting further back on the saddle not where you measure , hope this makes sense . On a flat type saddle the 109% is almost always accurate.

  • @GM-vk8jw
    @GM-vk8jw2 жыл бұрын

    Another great explanation😀 A nice easy to understand way to get you somewhere like. The thing with people is we are not static or rigid and here we are trying make our saddle height ‘fixed’ using mathematics. Inseam ( 109% ) or Lemond Method (0.8) or Knee Over Pedal Spindle (KOPS) are all good ways to get you in the good enough area of saddle height. Here’s a curve ball… Suppose you have a comfort saddle that compresses when you sit on it? How much saddle height do you lose? Do your cycle shorts have padding? Does that padding compress over the length of a ride? A lot of people adjusting saddle height to mm perfection. There’s no need. The first video with the heel on the pedal is good enough.

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