One of many reasons why I would hate a unit in the attic. Here in my part of the country, midwest, units are not installed in the attic. Main floor or basement mostly.
@eddiekilby16 күн бұрын
Looked like they put glue on the coupling and not on the pipe. The problem is the guy that glued the pipe in the attic glued the pipe in the wall as well.
@lowerpines31716 күн бұрын
With WATER in a attic.. the smartest thing you did was cut the whole thing out and replace with new. When you found that second bad fitting it became a no brainer, let me replace the whole thing or get me out of here.. Goog Job as always :)
@kg4muc16 күн бұрын
Your honest and unbiased approach in dealing with this type of situation makes you stand out in the hvac business.
@549BR16 күн бұрын
Detective Cook solves another cold case, after examining the three PVC colored glues. Very nice case of deductive logic in action. 😎
@waltradcliffe448216 күн бұрын
And this would be a perfect example why you shouldn’t use pressure to clear a drain line!
@garrettrush146716 күн бұрын
Those are the calls that make you feel bad as a business owner yet you get to make some money from it. I wouldn’t have done anything differently once you found that second joint with water. Take all risk out of it.
@ntsecrets15 күн бұрын
That elbow probably also has a lot of stress on it being one pipe is bent up at 30 deg or more. And being in the attic probably has a lot of thermal stress on it too.
@myHVAClife16 күн бұрын
That is definitely a situation where I would rebuild that drain from that 90 back to the coil and add straps to support it to keep pressure of the fittings.
@robalexander734816 күн бұрын
Nice Detective work Ted 👍 Au
@stevencossaboon323716 күн бұрын
Nice work Ted. Good decision on the repipe.
@Land-of-reason16 күн бұрын
Clearly the drain pipe work needs to slope to allow the water to drain but surely it should be clipped/supported to avoid the strain on the connectors.
@mattflorence606013 күн бұрын
Ted....I do agree with you about running a new drain all the way back but I am wondering why you do not a union at the evaporator coil? I put them in to clean the coil pan drain and to vacuum from that end if I have a bad clog. I would like to hear your reasoning on this. Thank you for another great video.
@dong461715 күн бұрын
Having the air handler in the attic is the problem. I'm glad mine is in a closet. It might get the carpet wet if it leaks. I don't have any glue on my pvc.
@scottmaz406316 күн бұрын
Great catch Ted
@rayvoorhies718016 күн бұрын
Kilz will cover the water damage. Then top coat with a good quality flat latex. Repipe was the best solution to prevent further damage.
@Eddy6316 күн бұрын
Nice find & film the final results so tech's can see how it's done right ... Thx
@BrendanN94116 күн бұрын
Good job on flipping the repipe. Water on the coupling could’ve been condensation due to lack of armaflex causing dew point to be reached
@markcotter235516 күн бұрын
Light glue and no primer? got to do both for the joint to make a good connectin. Doing it the right way is hard. good job. NCISTed
@nomusicrc16 күн бұрын
I CAN'T WAIT FOR PART 2
@terryrobertson838216 күн бұрын
I agree with you, all that drain needs to be replaced and done right.
@andrzejhajder640515 күн бұрын
Happened to me in my own house . Forget to glued elbow fron bathroom sink on a 2- nd floor. No glue at all. Survived 10 years. My own doing.
@thesilentonevictor16 күн бұрын
Ted I agree with you make it new 👌
@zekenzy648616 күн бұрын
Great Video. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking for to watch part 2
@philcore475915 күн бұрын
Also, the wrong kind of flexes in that attic, gotta love new construction
@JohnSmith-ug5ci16 күн бұрын
That original glue job looks like it was done in haste.
@brnmcc0116 күн бұрын
That Oatey One Step is also my favorite brand of glue for PVC flue and drain lines. Basically anything not under pressure. For water lines, I'd use purple primer and glue, code here doesn't allow one step, but hardly any PVC around here for cold water lines, sometimes it's in houses that are on a well system, but it's rare I come across PVC on pressurized water lines.
@MrMed-hl2fq4 күн бұрын
So, I think the drain line comes out of the compressor unit, why is it insulated? Will it be running in the winter time? If there is a heat exchanger perhaps???
@charlesmalinoski632516 күн бұрын
Where I'm from.Our inspector's won't even let PVC pass.With out seeing Purple primer. On glued PVC. No Way ...
@dgapp7616 күн бұрын
Stay away from the blue "hot" glue. It sets brittle and doesn't hold up well at all. Purple primer and glue = plastic weld for the win.
@purduequad15 күн бұрын
Why didn't you use primer on the joint you glued? Did you use some type of all-in-one? Otherwise, I understand that primer is required to chemically bond the glue and pipe. Thoughts?
@drband818116 күн бұрын
As soon as you repair it, it’s yours! Good move to replace the entire line.
@tuffram216515 күн бұрын
There is no float safety switch on the coil it would absolutely have installed one if I touched that drain and a pan switch as well.
@SteveMcQueen-zp7uu16 күн бұрын
What was the brand of glue you were using?
@ktmrider70716 күн бұрын
why dont you like using unions?
@dimbag116 күн бұрын
Mr .T Would you ever us the poly pipe to not have but 1 joint.
@throttlebottle590615 күн бұрын
very likely, no cleaner/primer and just a small whiff if glue (on repair/unclogging). without cleaner(dyed primer for inspection purposes) lol. it will 95%+ not soften the pipe surfaces enough for them to bond together.
@krishuntzeroable15 күн бұрын
That lighter blue glue looks like pipe dope 😅
@HVACguy81316 күн бұрын
Ted, would it be possible to get a 20ft stick of 3/4 pvc from your supply house? It would minimize the amount of joints (hopefully spanning from the 90 that goes down the wall to the unit.)
@rt-185915 күн бұрын
The second I saw the unwrapped suction line at the coil, I knew anything else they touched was going to be a disaster. Did you insulate that?
@rustyBdTZ10 күн бұрын
why did you let the glued joint slide out ~1/8" after gluing? @11min 15 sec
@althompson333216 күн бұрын
You are doing the right thing by replacing all the pipe. It’s the safest option to do.
@OnusBones16 күн бұрын
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle might have written that tale. Interesting., and unfortunate, as you say. It's not as if there was no glue used.
@joehrlein84716 күн бұрын
Ted, a completely new PVC pipe is the best solution.
@Hvac-dude16 күн бұрын
Amazing catch😊😊
@Sralaineo-16 күн бұрын
WOW 😊 I'm the First to Comment. I wish I Can be Calm and talk like Him. Very patient man👍
@CharlesAnsman16 күн бұрын
Original contractor should have secured the condensate line as per code, then stress would not have caused that last joint to fail. New construction inspector also failed to catch that the lines where un-secured.
@zackmax718416 күн бұрын
Usually PVC fittings go together pretty tight without Glue.
@johnthreadgill284310 күн бұрын
I could be wrong but I can't see that much water damage unless the pipe was plugged
@STEVIE195916 күн бұрын
I had such bad luck with leaking drains that when I replaced my heat and air all in the attic I went with a outside package unit........no more leaks
@raulmeza314916 күн бұрын
Sup mr ted!
@timbaus873516 күн бұрын
Hard working guy
@jeffreywhitlatch140916 күн бұрын
Some people don't know that crap happens. And sometimes people cause the crap that happens and want to place the blame eleswhere. I get the covering of your bases. Do you have camera glasses?
@RayRay-nb7tn16 күн бұрын
So did the homeowner file a claim with his insurance to have the companies pay for the water damages and replace, paint, the sheetrock? When gluing pvc I prime n glue it, hold the socket s together for about a minute or two to let glue dry. It will pull apart by itself. To me looks like the original company did glue 90. But 2nd company should've done a more thorough analysis on the drain and check for water leaks, IMO. THEY can be expensive and trouble. Glad ya got that straight for the homeowner.
@jamesjudge706116 күн бұрын
Good idea. Take it out and redo it!!
@joedugas946216 күн бұрын
35yrs of gluing pvc together for golf course irrigation....joints cannot just fall apart if glued and PRIMERED properly. yes primer... Also when it was first installed...likely moving the pipe around before it sets would cause a bad joint. "glue" is a bad term...you are solvent welding. Not just an irrigation guy...HVAC and plumber.. journeyman.
@jackedwards742016 күн бұрын
I'm gonna say the original installer was lazy/cheap and just "wiped" glue on the outside of all the joints to make it look like they were glued! I've seen this before cheap companies or lazy workers or both! Cut costs at any expense! By the way, you said there was glue inside that joint, but from what I could see, there wasn't any and I watche'd it 3 times to be sure!
@AdamDeal-KF0PRI16 күн бұрын
takes one rooky mistake to mess things up and leave someone to deal and fix it later.
@rmeshr365716 күн бұрын
Didn’t look like there was any sufficient amount of either primer (clear?) or glue was used as evidenced in the 90 which Ted repaired
@santiagovillarreal664716 күн бұрын
The lack of primer is the main problem!
@tedbell441616 күн бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻
@Paul-IE-Repairs15 күн бұрын
that trap will never hold water at that pitch
@samuelg358616 күн бұрын
Nobody's gonna catch that when they are changing a coil. Realistically Not much you can really do to prevent that from happening. Just a shitty situation for everyone
@cardsfan159016 күн бұрын
How does one not notice that before the water damage gets that bad
@zackmax718416 күн бұрын
9 years is a long time. Looks to Me like it would have leaked before now.
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One of many reasons why I would hate a unit in the attic. Here in my part of the country, midwest, units are not installed in the attic. Main floor or basement mostly.
Looked like they put glue on the coupling and not on the pipe. The problem is the guy that glued the pipe in the attic glued the pipe in the wall as well.
With WATER in a attic.. the smartest thing you did was cut the whole thing out and replace with new. When you found that second bad fitting it became a no brainer, let me replace the whole thing or get me out of here.. Goog Job as always :)
Your honest and unbiased approach in dealing with this type of situation makes you stand out in the hvac business.
Detective Cook solves another cold case, after examining the three PVC colored glues. Very nice case of deductive logic in action. 😎
And this would be a perfect example why you shouldn’t use pressure to clear a drain line!
Those are the calls that make you feel bad as a business owner yet you get to make some money from it. I wouldn’t have done anything differently once you found that second joint with water. Take all risk out of it.
That elbow probably also has a lot of stress on it being one pipe is bent up at 30 deg or more. And being in the attic probably has a lot of thermal stress on it too.
That is definitely a situation where I would rebuild that drain from that 90 back to the coil and add straps to support it to keep pressure of the fittings.
Nice Detective work Ted 👍 Au
Nice work Ted. Good decision on the repipe.
Clearly the drain pipe work needs to slope to allow the water to drain but surely it should be clipped/supported to avoid the strain on the connectors.
Ted....I do agree with you about running a new drain all the way back but I am wondering why you do not a union at the evaporator coil? I put them in to clean the coil pan drain and to vacuum from that end if I have a bad clog. I would like to hear your reasoning on this. Thank you for another great video.
Having the air handler in the attic is the problem. I'm glad mine is in a closet. It might get the carpet wet if it leaks. I don't have any glue on my pvc.
Great catch Ted
Kilz will cover the water damage. Then top coat with a good quality flat latex. Repipe was the best solution to prevent further damage.
Nice find & film the final results so tech's can see how it's done right ... Thx
Good job on flipping the repipe. Water on the coupling could’ve been condensation due to lack of armaflex causing dew point to be reached
Light glue and no primer? got to do both for the joint to make a good connectin. Doing it the right way is hard. good job. NCISTed
I CAN'T WAIT FOR PART 2
I agree with you, all that drain needs to be replaced and done right.
Happened to me in my own house . Forget to glued elbow fron bathroom sink on a 2- nd floor. No glue at all. Survived 10 years. My own doing.
Ted I agree with you make it new 👌
Great Video. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking for to watch part 2
Also, the wrong kind of flexes in that attic, gotta love new construction
That original glue job looks like it was done in haste.
That Oatey One Step is also my favorite brand of glue for PVC flue and drain lines. Basically anything not under pressure. For water lines, I'd use purple primer and glue, code here doesn't allow one step, but hardly any PVC around here for cold water lines, sometimes it's in houses that are on a well system, but it's rare I come across PVC on pressurized water lines.
So, I think the drain line comes out of the compressor unit, why is it insulated? Will it be running in the winter time? If there is a heat exchanger perhaps???
Where I'm from.Our inspector's won't even let PVC pass.With out seeing Purple primer. On glued PVC. No Way ...
Stay away from the blue "hot" glue. It sets brittle and doesn't hold up well at all. Purple primer and glue = plastic weld for the win.
Why didn't you use primer on the joint you glued? Did you use some type of all-in-one? Otherwise, I understand that primer is required to chemically bond the glue and pipe. Thoughts?
As soon as you repair it, it’s yours! Good move to replace the entire line.
There is no float safety switch on the coil it would absolutely have installed one if I touched that drain and a pan switch as well.
What was the brand of glue you were using?
why dont you like using unions?
Mr .T Would you ever us the poly pipe to not have but 1 joint.
very likely, no cleaner/primer and just a small whiff if glue (on repair/unclogging). without cleaner(dyed primer for inspection purposes) lol. it will 95%+ not soften the pipe surfaces enough for them to bond together.
That lighter blue glue looks like pipe dope 😅
Ted, would it be possible to get a 20ft stick of 3/4 pvc from your supply house? It would minimize the amount of joints (hopefully spanning from the 90 that goes down the wall to the unit.)
The second I saw the unwrapped suction line at the coil, I knew anything else they touched was going to be a disaster. Did you insulate that?
why did you let the glued joint slide out ~1/8" after gluing? @11min 15 sec
You are doing the right thing by replacing all the pipe. It’s the safest option to do.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle might have written that tale. Interesting., and unfortunate, as you say. It's not as if there was no glue used.
Ted, a completely new PVC pipe is the best solution.
Amazing catch😊😊
WOW 😊 I'm the First to Comment. I wish I Can be Calm and talk like Him. Very patient man👍
Original contractor should have secured the condensate line as per code, then stress would not have caused that last joint to fail. New construction inspector also failed to catch that the lines where un-secured.
Usually PVC fittings go together pretty tight without Glue.
I could be wrong but I can't see that much water damage unless the pipe was plugged
I had such bad luck with leaking drains that when I replaced my heat and air all in the attic I went with a outside package unit........no more leaks
Sup mr ted!
Hard working guy
Some people don't know that crap happens. And sometimes people cause the crap that happens and want to place the blame eleswhere. I get the covering of your bases. Do you have camera glasses?
So did the homeowner file a claim with his insurance to have the companies pay for the water damages and replace, paint, the sheetrock? When gluing pvc I prime n glue it, hold the socket s together for about a minute or two to let glue dry. It will pull apart by itself. To me looks like the original company did glue 90. But 2nd company should've done a more thorough analysis on the drain and check for water leaks, IMO. THEY can be expensive and trouble. Glad ya got that straight for the homeowner.
Good idea. Take it out and redo it!!
35yrs of gluing pvc together for golf course irrigation....joints cannot just fall apart if glued and PRIMERED properly. yes primer... Also when it was first installed...likely moving the pipe around before it sets would cause a bad joint. "glue" is a bad term...you are solvent welding. Not just an irrigation guy...HVAC and plumber.. journeyman.
I'm gonna say the original installer was lazy/cheap and just "wiped" glue on the outside of all the joints to make it look like they were glued! I've seen this before cheap companies or lazy workers or both! Cut costs at any expense! By the way, you said there was glue inside that joint, but from what I could see, there wasn't any and I watche'd it 3 times to be sure!
takes one rooky mistake to mess things up and leave someone to deal and fix it later.
Didn’t look like there was any sufficient amount of either primer (clear?) or glue was used as evidenced in the 90 which Ted repaired
The lack of primer is the main problem!
👍🏻👍🏻
that trap will never hold water at that pitch
Nobody's gonna catch that when they are changing a coil. Realistically Not much you can really do to prevent that from happening. Just a shitty situation for everyone
How does one not notice that before the water damage gets that bad
9 years is a long time. Looks to Me like it would have leaked before now.
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