This is literally the best explanation of frame stretching I have heard, thank you!

@jumpkickman1993

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I bought my first brass frame 1851 Navy in .36 last month and I'm charging it with 21grains of triple 7 fffg and it shoots point of aim at 30 yards. I feel like I could load about 25 or maybe more after this.

I don't know how many times I've watched this video. This is like sitting in on a cap and ball university lecture.

Thank you for the outstanding explanation of the work and heat hardening of the dissimiliar metals of the brass frame C&B revolvers. I'm going to save this link and give it to everyone who asks about it. I've been shooting cap and ball revolvers since I was 15 (damn, going on 40 years now!) And I've learned a lot about quality, loads, durability, etc. I've owned several others, but right now I have 6 of them that work, and 2 that are parts guns. I'm sure it's no surprise that the parts guns are Pietta brass frame 1851 .44's. They wont even fire anymore because of excessive cylinder movement as described in your video. They each lasted somewhere between 500-700 rounds before they were no longer usable. But my very first C&B revolver that my father gave me for Christmas when I was 15 was an Armi San Marco (CVA branded/imported) 1858 Remington Army .44. I've shot it thousands of times over the years and I've had to replace just about everything except the frame, barrel and cylinder. And although it looks like it's 40 years old and has been fired thousands of times it still runs and shoots well. I don't shoot it often anymore because being a gift from my father it means a lot to me and ASM parts are no longer available, so I shoot my 5" Pietta and 8" Uberti instead. My brass frame .36, a Pietta Griswold model, shoots very well, has seen over 500 shots and doesn't show any signs of shooting loose. But my 2 brass .44's just didn't hold up. I don't know how it will hold up long term but I believe my Pietta .36 Griswold, with a frame as large as a Pietta 1851 .44, will hold up much longer than its big brother did. It was disappointing when my 5" 1851 .44 sh!t the bed because I did a lot of work to it. I really like the 1860 Army grip so I bought an ASM/CVA 1860 Army for parts that needed internals but are no longer available. So I did a LOT of fitting, filing and polishing on the gripframe and triggerguard, and also a lot of filing and sanding of the wooden grips to make them fit onmy 5" 1851. It was my favorite C&B revolver for looks and feel, and now it's nothing more than a paperweight. My recommendation is similar to yours. Brass framed guns are OK for your first C&B to see if you like them and not spend more money on something you might not like. But if you decide you like making smoke, buy once/cry once. Get a steel frame that as long as you treat it well it will keep on working. And when small internals break, and if you shoot them any amount they definitely will break, it's easy enough to replace them and keep it running. In fact, I'd recommend keeping a spare hand/spring assy, trigger, bolt, trigger/bolt spring and a set of nipples on hand.

@UgliestGrandma

2 ай бұрын

I have a .44 pietta And its not been shot much I wanted to get a conversion cylinder to .45longcolt I dont intend to fire it, but it would be a good extra gun when camping, Ive had concerns about it blowing up, but the cylinder & barrel is whats taking all the pressure, Do you think i should worry? If it stretches i got it for free and the cylinder i buy would be able to be reused on other guns i may buy later

Blackie, I was an Old West reenactor, own Pieta and Uberti guns, my oldest is a Pieta Sheriff's model, made in 1971. I also have a matched pair (consecutive serial numbers), from 2007, 1851 Navy repros ! I am now very hard on my guns, and now (at almost 70), cannot walk without a stick, and can't drive anymore. I sure DO miss my active days, but since I moved to the Western Slopes of the Rockies, I could never find anyone to "play" with!

@UgliestGrandma

2 ай бұрын

Hope you have been well, That rocky mountain air sure smells like home

Another great Vid Blackie! Here in England there aren't too many people with our interest, so its always good to watch your videos and educate myself. I already have a steel Pietta .44 Remington, but the brass ones look so nice! I would think a .36 in brass would have no stretching problems with that topstrap, So I'm going to place my order!

I have a trick for everyone. I found this out by accident. I nickel plated a 58 brass Remington. Nickel plating at home is very very eazy. All you need is white vinegar and a battery . when done nickel plating your part. Dip it in some Cold blue. For just a few seconds. Take out to dry. And it will look just like ubertis and pietta color case hardening.. So if you are some one like me how hates the brass look but always end up with brass framed guns. I now knickel plate the brass and colorcase it with cooled blue. It works so well that all my friends thought I sold off all my brass frame... I might do a video on it

3 жыл бұрын

Cool man! I have done some nickel plating with 99% nickel welding rods (flux scraped off), submerged in vinegar and salt solution, with the rods attached to an old cell phone charger. The rod that bubbles is the negative side. That is the side you connect the part you want plated. So easy! I should try that! Thanks!

@snappers_antique_firearms

3 жыл бұрын

@ no problem give it a shot and let me know how it ended up

@jasonleee9401

2 жыл бұрын

Yes did you make the video? If you nickel plate it,where does the nickel come from, the vinegar?this is an excellent idea

@Puppy_Puppington

Жыл бұрын

So did u make a video or written guide somewhere.

@snappers_antique_firearms

Жыл бұрын

@@Puppy_Puppington yeah I have 2 videos on my channel

We constantly see comments on FB BP groups with guys telling newbies never buy a cheap brass frame because they will stretch. My first BP revolver was a cheap brass frame. I shot the crap out of it and it's still a good gun. So, the myth of the crappy brass frames is still out there. Thank you Blackie for making this video. It definitely cleared the air. Now that I've been into BP shooting for quite a while I do prefer steel frames.

@benjaminjarrett9816

3 жыл бұрын

Mine too, I got a brass framed 51 frame with a .44 caliber dragoon/griswold style barrel. 100 dollars at a pawn shop lol

@oldtrooper8320

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a “brass” frame’51 I bought from cabelas 30 years ago… it’s still a shooter… it’s got a little headspace but not bad… my daughter has it now and still shooting it… it’s still on the money for quick action on rabbits and other varmints…

@evocati6523

2 жыл бұрын

People still think metallurgy is the same as it was back in the dark ages or something

@assassinmanx6128

2 жыл бұрын

Haven’t shot my brass frame yet. I chipped the wedge badly cause when I first got it the manual said to take it apart and clean factory residue out. I put the wedge back in but I’ve heard so many barrel flying stories lol. Not sure if it’s in secure enough?So I have been hesitant to shoot it.

@Puppy_Puppington

Жыл бұрын

Well. Not if I want a conversion cylinder for low pressure rounds… don’t tell me that’s not true

i was under the impression that it wasnt due to the lack of iron but the ease of machining the gunmetal/brass

@frogbear02

3 жыл бұрын

Its entirely possible that both reasons are true.

Thank you again Mr. Blackie for the Brass frame wisdom. I have 2 Rebel Colts and 1 Rebel Remington and I love them dearly.

In 1956, CVA 44 Navy with accessories, a bag of shot and a pound of powder cost 42.00. Made in Spain built out of gun mettle not scrap brass. Lasted till 1970 when i gave it too a new shooter. Needed a new wedge and main spring. Thousands of rounds no cracks.

Nice video blackie, I'm gonna pull out my 1851 and use it a bit more, thanks!

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

Right on

My first BP pistol was a brass frame 1860 Army I bought in 1989. I fired about 1000 rounds through it using 30 grs of 3F with a .451 ball. One day it was not striking the caps, upon review I found the frame stretched , after that I only bought steel framed revolvers.

Look at the stress/strain curve, for material to permanently deform it has to go past a certain point from plastic deformation to inelastic. No matter how many times you hit a material, if it does not go past the plastic point it will always return to original form. It would be easy for someone with a basic materials lab to find out at what loading a brass frame takes inelastic force and then people would know what level to stay under

Thanks for the education on the issue of brass frames. I just bought a brass frame Pietta 1851 sheriff's model in .36 caliber and am very happy with the build quality. So much so I bought another Pietta all steel 1860 sheriff's model to pair with my '51. I feel much better about my brasser and will shoot it to my heart's content. Thanks for all you do to help us get educated on these fine revolvers!

@Jonj57

9 ай бұрын

How easy it is to load the ball with the short lever of the sheriff?

Thx for the vid, I listen all the way thru the vid because I've never owned a brass framed BP pistol. But I knew about the frame stretch from the same time period you did, thx for the new update on the newer frames.

Just got my first brass BP. That explains why every question on these guns yield two different answers. Dad grew up hunting with BP in the 50s and uncle did the reenactments 60s-80s. Never considered the centennial reenactor boom lowering quality. Now it all makes sense. thank you.

Great information Blackie. You answered many questions I had about modern brass frames.

Finally got my hands on some percussion caps. I've been picking up cap and ball revolver since the beginning of this year taking it for granted that I'd be able to get all the stuff that goes with it!

Thanks for the sage information, again. I really enjoy these percussion videos.

Great video Blackie, recently purchased a Pietta Griswold so this was perfect timing.

Awesome info & history! I miss the regular percussion videos.

You are the most detailed and informative of all the tubers out there and I learn something new everytime even after 50 yrs. Thank you.

@blackoracle69

2 жыл бұрын

thank you very much safe journeys to you

Love it. You gave the same reasons that I learned in my research. I have no practical experience with cap and ball revolvers. I want some but just don't have it. I remember those adds from the 80's! Great info on the stretching of metal. If I shot one out I do believe it will go on the mantel as a display cause man they are beautiful. It seems like a lot of this is common sense and the individual doing his research and gaining the knowledge. Of course that is a rarity now days.

Great vid Blackie. As an English BP shooter there are few folks I can bounce ideas off or ask for advice, but your videos help a lot!

Great information and history lesson Blackie, thanks!👍

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Thanks Blackie...great information!

Blackie, you've given me a good idea for fixing shot out brass framed revolvers. Still working on how to fix an 1858 brass frame though.

I use Brasso on my brass fames and they look like a mirror. Of course, some like the dull patina. To each their own. I remember poring over those ads with the EMF black powder pistols at the back of gun magazines like it was yesterday. I bought my first BP pistol when I was 18 in 1975, EMF 1860 army brass frame .44 Army, $47 bucks through the mail It was a thrill to be able to buy a real functioning pistol through the mail. Yes, the quality was pretty rough, but I will say that Pietta has come a LONG way in quality since then. Thanks Blackie.

You are very wise I really appreciate your information in your contacts God bless you Blackie

Thanks Blackie for the wisdom of your long time experience with these Lovely guns! Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

Great advice.....thank you!

Thanks, Blackie. I appreciated your videos.

@blackoracle69

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that

I have an old 36 armi san marco brass frame since the 90s, I had to cut back the frame n do all the stuff to reset it from cylinder hamering. It seems to have work hardened the backplate and I keep the cylinder gap tight and it has worked fine for a while now. It seems like its the cylinder flying back smacking the frame is the biggest problem at least on my gun

I just watched your brass frame video earlier; it is good to know that the brass frames do hold up well, but you are still on a somewhat unspecified clock. Thanks for the insight, Blackie!

Thanks for the great video!

Awesome video sir thank you

I learned how to time a revolver using those old C&B revolvers from back in the days. ... Not that I like timing a revolver anymore.. lol but it helped me

Has it been that long for Dixie gun works I first saw it in 83/84 with my first BP Colt and had lots of issues with the wedge but it sure was fun. Then I came across the Remington 44 that was lot's of fun had New revolver's and pistols but the black powder was my go-to unless I was in the Barn. Thanks for bringing back memories.

Have owned many percussion revolvers of all makes, only once did I find a problem. It was a brass San Marco reproduction 1851. Traded for it used. It was abused heavily. The previous owner shoot very heavy loads constantly. It became sloppy loose. Was able to fix it but soon retired it to a wall hanger .

I totally Agree. Thanks Blackie

Thanks for mentioning the problem with conicals. I shoot a steel frame Pietta '58 Remington and passed on purchasing conicals recently because I suspected they'd lead to problems with the rammer/linkage/lever. Just the other day I saw a penetration/expansion/accuracy test side by side with roundballs on another channel and the conicals don't seem worth it anywho.

Great VID thats needed doing for a good while. 👍 Like you I've have and shoot both steel and brass revolvers ALOT like a whole LOT 🤣 Love em all, one fav is an 80s Era Richland Arms (ASM) 1858 IN .44. It's had 2 lifetimes of shooting for most folks thru it and still going strong. I load 20grn a wonder wad and hand cast roundball. Accurate Fun Reliable and Ugly, like big nose Kate 😄

My Pietta '51 brass Navy in .44 works great. I have had it for about 20 years. It still shoots to point of aim at about 25 yards. Don't be afraid to shoot one if you can find it.

@humansvd3269

2 жыл бұрын

How many loads have you shot it with? What grains of BP?

9:39 perfect analogy, here in Europe it's pretty common to see this when you go around old buildings which are many hundreds years old, for exemple if there is stairs to a Church you will see steps that appear to have melted when actually it's just by how much people over the centuries took it and the stones bent over time.

Damn, this has been informative.

i got a 1851 brass maybe 10 years ago because brass looked nicer. due to a bank error, it ended up free :-)

@johnpogz9523

3 жыл бұрын

Man, sounds like you lucked out on that

@paulfisher4660

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnpogz9523 yep, think i bought the 1851, an ar15 lower and a 380 pistol

Always wondered if the brass alloy used in todays brass guns wasnt at least a little bit better. Going from 500 rounds to 2000 rounds tells the whole story. Heck, after 2000rnds, get a steel frame for it and brass plate it lol.

good info, thanks! i know the Henry .22, golden boys have a steel frame with a "brasslite" receiver cover. i THINK the big boy brass are the same but idk for sure, since i dont own one.

It' good to know Your openion about that brass. I don't like to do off-topic here. But I like to know what You think about INOX steel. Love Your black powder seriess...

@janosbajusz4680

3 жыл бұрын

Thats my question to! Pieta Remington 1858 new army 44?

Awesome video i own a brasser shoot only 18grains .451 balls hope it will last a long time i put about 100 rounds a year threw it thanks for the great advice!

I wonder, with all the 3D printing gun stuff going on, if anybody has taken the parts from a stretched out brass frame cap and ball revolver and 3d printed a frame to try it out. Maybe even test it's durability against brass. Great Video as always

@evocati6523

2 жыл бұрын

You'd have to find a stretched frame first, despite all the fuddlore nobody has presented one in real life

Good video !

Very good discussion. One of the best on youtube. The original southern guns were made of “bell metal”. Actually bronze of 80% copper and 20% tin. This alloy was designed to ring true but was also almost ideal for gun frames as it compared very well to the period “steel” frames which were actually malleable iron and not steel at all. In 1860 and even today bronze is more costly than steel. In the 1960’s cheap guns had brass frames. Brass is about 85% copper and 15% zinc. But alloys vary. Brass is physically weaker than bronze but has greater elasticity. It is “springy”. Gun metal in its various alloys is bronze, not brass. It contains traces of lead and phosphorous to improve machining quality. It compares well to mild steel in every respect except cost. Some guns of the 70’s had brass frames. These are the ones that “stretch”. There were also bronze frames. They dont stretch. The frame does not stretch per se. The base pin may be pulled from the threads in the frame if poorly threaded with too fine a pitch of thread. Non-ferrous alloys require the use of coarser threads than iron/mild steel. Most “end shake” which is the real effect of excessive loads in a brass frame is the cylinder mechanically battering the recoil ring in the frame. That ring like protrusion in the recoil shield that the hand protrudes through and that supports the rear of the cylinder. Poor initial fitting allows some end shake which simply progresses with time. You are correct the fixing this condition is costly. Well done.

Hello, I really enjoyed the knowledge you've shared talking about brass and steel properties. I'm interested in a Remington New Army 58 44 cal. My question is related more to cleaning the brass frame on a BP revolver. I've tried finding a video regarding this, but I haven't been able to find one that deals with brass frame. Is there anything special needed to keep it from tarnishing since it is brass and not steel? Thanks. I'm so glad I found your channel.

What is the highest powder charge you would recommend for a pietta brass 1858 Sheriff? Thanks for the time and work you put into these videos.

When your brass-frame revolver wears out, you can always mount it on the wall of your man cave as a decoration. 😀

I appreciate your comments. Your disposition is much appreciated by the common man.

Greetings Blackie! Iam in French and get my first Percussion Revolver 1 year ago. A brass one, Colt 1851 and the Cilinder "stopper" got way wider in this charge like the ones you show. i think pietta overthinking his actions. did shoot a lot with premade BP charges - Paper cartridges - Roundballs and i look allways for the gap between cylinder and barrel. to this time its fine after about 100 shoots. thanks for your advise, looking for a steel or nickelbody revolver for future. Love that Blackpowder Community and the hirstorical sience. thanks for your videos and have a great 2022!

@blackoracle69

2 жыл бұрын

glad you enjoy my videos safe journeys to you

Ill back up your opinions Bkackie. I actually bent the rammer handle on my 49 pocket from Uberti loading baby dragoon bullets on mine lol. My fault. Its been corrected. I have a brass frame 44 sheriff thats taught me a lot about gun smithing. Its my test gun. I use it, due to price, to check ideas before i do it to a steel frame gun. Its been an excellent teaching tool. Ive had to replace things when the idea didnt pan out, but, it was $149.99 on sale. Lol i got twice that and more in my steel frame guns. When the frame wears out ill use the barrel and cylinder on a different frame. Lol ive got 1 other 44 steel frame clone....62 dance and brothers. Itll fit that frame fine. Already tested it. Lol

I am thinkin' a "brass" frame Remmie would be a delightful woods knock about gun.

When I was kid/teen brass frame black powder the old gen then had a nick name "Pietta Crap"...As I matured I kept that in mind, Boy have I missed out. Now at 52 I am learning that yes the early repros for reenactments should have been kept for just that. Well and the idiots running hot loads in them, well here is their sign. A $49 Cap and ball blank shooter of 1960 is nowhere near my Pietta Sheriff of 2017,

great video, you are correct, gunmetal is way different then brass, heck, they used to make cannons out of gun metal and a lot of them are still around. Another reason that Gun metal was used, is it requires less heat to melt and it can be cast, that is another reason that the south used it as a large blacksmith shop could produce them.

Thanks for a very good video & great info despite how much advertising the KZread weekend interns/idiots tried to interrupt your presentation. I've got a couple .44 brass Pietta Navies from around 2003 as I recall from the stamped date code. Haven't used them much but sure enjoyed them more than the steel Remmies I also shoot(shot). Never saw any wear & tear on the Colts. I'm thinking your advice about oversized bullets both shooting & loading are real pertinent points not mentioned much elsewhere. I loaded mine with .451 caliber not .454 on a freestanding loader & relied on cornmeal or Crisco to make the seal (messy!) & I think that's the way to do it for the longevity of parts.

@Puppy_Puppington

Жыл бұрын

That’s kinda risky I feel as I have heard of badly drilled chambers with hanging edges. Burs? Either way. I rather play it really safe than close.

I ran a couple of pounds of fffg & ffg blackpowder through a Pietta 1858 Remington .44 caliber revolver with a brass frame. Lead roundballs only. Never an issue. It was perfect when I sold it. I decided to get back to shooting blackpowder revolvers, so I just ordered another brand new brass frame Pietta 1858 Remington .44 revolver. Ain’t skeered. But on the open top Colt design, I would buy the steel frame/blackstrap version.

I just picked up a EIG 1851 navy with brass frame from Italy. It looks like it’s never been shot but maybe once. I don’t know what year it is but it has a stamp date on it that is XX. All the mechanics and parts are in good working order.

Dear Blackie, Outstanding video, as always, Ihave been asking myself, where did the perccusion series went.. But here it is! More videos please:). Can You do an update on small leather bullet pouch, and review grip change between navy-army models (and is it worth it). Also, do You have in mind coming to Europe to do some classes? You just got new subscriber. Also, how to get to your patreon account. Best regards Blackie.

I liked your videos.

Yup yup nice my first was .44 Sheriff in the brass... That was 2014 For me it is a 2010 make I got it used then...2023 I still shoot it keep in mind 20 grains & and round ball only..

All i could find is the brass framed ones when i looked o.O A Steel framed one will be my next BP pistol :D “Blood-tight” thats really tight :0

I have 4 new production .36 Pietta brasser Navies that I shoot lots, and I use 20 gr charges . No problems. The older guns had softer frames. The vast majority of buyers of a brass frame Colt won't put anywhere near 2000 rounds through one.

I have one Navy London Yank and one regular Navy, both .44 brass Piettas. I just keep ‘em between 15-25 grains of Goex 3FG. Great little guns and enjoying them, but I’m still learning to be honest.

Great info to know , thanks very much.

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@janosbajusz4680

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackoracle69 Hi! Video about stainless??? Pros and Cons??? I have a Pietta Remington 44 NewArmyModel stainless

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

@@janosbajusz4680 ok i will do it

@janosbajusz4680

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackoracle69 Thank you!!!

I love you show and I think you said you was in the military and I thank you for your service the question I have for you do you know where you can get oversized grip for 1858 Remington revolver Thank you

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

yes look at dixie gun works they will have replacement blanks they will be a bit over side so you can custom fit to your hand

great vidio sir enjoyed the talk

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated

Blackie. Back in the early 80s I worked for a man who was a collector of cival war arms and he showed me a brass frame remington style revolver that had been converted to a 44 calibre cartridge. We never fired it if course but a 44 special cartridge would fit the chambers. There was no loading gate or ejector. I've told other so called experts in forums about it and been called a liar more than once but I'm figuring you will know about such conversation weapons if that era. Could you maybe inform us on those things ?

Sound advice Blackie.

Says in the manual no conical in brass and 5gr less powder than steel for round in my brass I just go by the manual and have no issues no thousands of rounds but my "brass" is just as tight as my steel 🤔 not too worried just shoot hot loads or conical in my steel frames 👍 great video!

What about a brass frame new model Army. It is not an open topsoil wouldn't the frame be a little stronger? Are the brass frame New model Armys hold up as long or longer then the brass frame Colt type open tops? Just wondering. I own several brass frames and my 44s I don't shoot hot loads, and my 36 I don't either. I have shot several hundred rounds and so far both my brass open top and closed tops are still as good as new. Thanks for the videos, they are always way informative and I have Lear a lot from your KZread channel. Thank you.

Blackie is there a shoot-loose issue with the remington brass 1858 or 63 pocket revolvers. Or just colt revolvers ? I was not sure if the full frame stops this from occurring. Thank you for your time.

I have a Henry Golden boy in 45LC. I have fired Underwood Ammo hardcast semi wadcutters through that thing. That gun can take a punch, trust me, the alloy is fine.

Good info I have a few steel pittea revolvers but one I have I got a couple years ago is the 1862 pocket police and idk what is wrong with it the cylinder goes tight with the hammer cocked but when you pull the trigger and the hand drops the cylinder goes forward and won't set off caps could it be shot loose it only has 100 rounds of round ball with 18 grains put though it and can put my 44 army barrel and cylinder on there and it works fine other than the binding from the water table

You won't stretch , and batter them if you don't overload them. Alot of people always load the max charge. I have a 51 navy 44, and 20, to 25 grs. Of powder is the best , anything more is just wasted powder, and abuses the gun. Also I find heavier loads decrease accuracy.

@humansvd3269

2 жыл бұрын

So 25 is safe enough? I want one but I want to get the round fast enough for defensive purposes if I'm forced to use it.

@historyandhorseplaying7374

Жыл бұрын

@@humansvd3269 yes 25 is perfectly safe, but doesn’t pack much power. I think to even approach a modern weak .38 special power, you’d need around 30 grains.

25 grn is my standard load for my brass frames and I love them.

@humansvd3269

2 жыл бұрын

How many have you shot?

@funkmonkeyfun

2 жыл бұрын

@@humansvd3269 more than I will ever care to try and keep count. Been shooting my brass frame for …. 15 years, a little worn but still has a tight gap. When I go hiking or camping I usually carry my brass frame, on longer trips I’ll carry my steel frame.

great info blackie

@blackoracle69

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

@joemorganeatmyshortschannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackoracle69 i dont have bp yet im working on getting my modern guns up to par first for reasons however between you and koba i feel i know enough to not get ripped off and have fun when i do get started on it

My first BP gun was an 1858 Remington Navy in .36 cal. I shot the piss outta that revolver and had zero issues. My second one though was an 1858 New Model Army with a brass frame in .44 cal. I shot it with 30grn Pyrodex pre-formed pellets and round ball ( I didn't know any better, it was a long time ago). The frame bent so bad after a few cylinders that the cylinder would no longer rotate. I gave it away to my cousin and it sits above his fireplace on the mantle. I will never buy a brass frame again. Lesson learned.

Colt made brass frame revolvers back in the day. New Line mini revolvers, circa 1873. Supposedly as a back-up for the Peace Maker and also for personal protection in the urban cities of the time.

Well Heck I'm going out to the gun store see they have one in stock ! All fooling aside I haven't been able to find any percussion caps. 4/12/2021

Great video, Blackie. Now, I have a question, but I'm assuming you've pretty answered it already. I have and H&R 732 that a friend of mine had. He passed on several years ago but carried it everyday. I took it and shot it and it jammed. I was just shooting S&W .32 Long as it says on the barrel. Upon examination, I discovered the chamber was loose because the hinge (that swings the chamber open for loading) has, I guess, stretched. How do I repair it? Thanks.

@englishrupe01

3 жыл бұрын

I think the only way to fix it would be to re-bore the hinge pin and set in a hardened bushing threaded back to the original dimension. Not too hard for a good gunsmith or a good hobbyist, even. Have to adjust the top lock, also, probably.

sage advice.

I always fill all my powder charges on 36 and 44 to within 1/4 inch from the mouth of cylinder and never wore out a brass frame.

So it looks to me that these Italian gun nickel plate there frames and dip them in cold blue and that's how they get there color case hardening look. So you could do this on a brass frame gun and it works perfectly. My brass frame 1860 looks steel frame

One thing we forget is that we will shoot more in one weekend than old-timer would in a lifetime . Ammo cost money ,they were frugal . M.B.

Hey Blackie, you ol’ “goatteed garbonzo” you! Wonderful wonderful educational video on this particular subject!!! Is there any practical way to check the hardness of a brass frame? I have a brass framed .36 Navy Arms C&B revolver i bought in 1968, the gun that started me off into shooting, black powder guns & smokeless. Yes, my first black powder gun. It has probably a tighter action lockup than any S&W revolver! Absolutely ZERO ROTATIONAL PLAY!! It must have been gone over by a gunsmith! No hammer blowback with the heaviest loads! It’s a real joy just to cock it! Over the many many years I’ve had it, I haven’t put a whole lot of rounds down range. This is the gun I want put into “my cold dead hands” when I’m inside my casket!!! I do expect to get into HEAVEN, as I’m a Born Again Christian, trusting Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior, & I want this gun to come with me, even though my Bible says we can’t take anything with us! The Lord will just have to make an exception! Anyvay, this video on brass framed revolvers was a very special treat for me. One day (I’m 81 now!) I’d love to get a 1858 Remington .44 with a brass frame, as the contrast with the brass & blued steel makes for a very attractive gun! Thanks again for all the pleasure you’ve given me over all these years, especially on the black powder C&B revolvers! “Gesundheit”!

I agree I've shot the crap out of my 1851 navy sheriff brass I love it it's my only black powder gun had it about 5 years still shoots awesome I just underload it !!

EZ fix will be to take the arber out and thread it some more fit till you have the gap your looking for then lock-tight it back in place file threaded end of arber off to make it flush again

Ok Blackie got a 1979 44 brass frame I got told it was told it was pietta also got a 44 barrel told it was pietta no marks to be sure on either one worried about fittment and allignment any suggestions its not a perfect fit may have to make a snake shot shooter out of it unless you can tell me how to check its safe to shoot round balls

I just picked up an old Pietta 1851 Navy .36 brass frame that had a date of 5 June, 1975 scratched into the frame. It is the second brass frame Navy I have had, never wore the first one out. This second one was shot out when I got it, and still shoots even with a 22 grain load has absolutely zero accuracy. And the gun rattles less then the service revolver in 38 special I was issued by Pinkerton security agency back in the 1990's and that was a modern steel frame revolver. Course all I use the Pietta 1851 brass frame navy from 1975 for is scaring off skunks, and peacocks that seam to love roosting on my old Ford truck. Course now instead of buying a new gun like Blackie suggested I would simply buy a new steel frame off of old ebay, as it will be cheaper then buying an entire new gun.

I've got a brass frame pietta in 44 caliber from the mid 90's. I just bought some 30 grain pellets and 454 balls for it. My brother told me that was to much powder and to cut the pellets in half but I disagree. I've only shot the gun a few times and this is my first time loading it, should I cut the grains down since I'm not an expert or just go with the 30 like I wanted to? Thanks for all you do Blackie!

@swampfox7110

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My manual for my Pieta .44 caliber 1858 calls for 30 grains of black powder or pyrodex. The 30 grains of powder is on the high spectrum you can always use less. But perfectly safe. This is for a steel frame so go to pieta website and double check the data.

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I regularly load 35 grains of pyrodex in my .44 caliber 1860 Army revolvers (steel frame), with no ill effects. I've had them for years, and shot them often.

I have a 51 navy brass framed ,I bought in 1990 ,never fired it ,paid 89.95 for it from cabellas

What about conversion cylinders? I just bought a Pieta 1851 navy (steel frame) 36cal and ordered a 38 conversion cyl for it. I have a 51 navy Euroarms (with pieta markings) mid 70s and if the conversion cylinder fits hope to use it on that too, or get another for it. Cowboy loads on the low side is my plan. Howell the maker of the cylinders does not recommend using them with brass frame, but I suspect it is for liability. The recommended bullet is 38 spl hollow base wad cutter. The bullet is .358 while the bore is 375. It seems to me if done right I can get a safe set up. I do not see why the brass frame would be less safe with low pressure cartridges, than it is with cap and ball on a normal charge. I hope to do Cowboy Action but don't have over $1000.00 to spend on revolvers, and here in Mass they have a list so none of the $500.00 revolvers can be purchased in Mass. So setting these up seems to be a fair alternative. Shooting cap and ball doesn.t seem like it would be all that reliable for speed shooting! What are your thoughts? Will I shoot my eye out kid? I hear by release you from any liability for any advise :) Thanks, Dana