I was so nervous about posting this episode as I know it's bound to be controversial, but it's one of the most important conversations I've had so far on The Knowledge Project. Leave a comment below with your favorite moment ⬇and hit subscribe! Thank you.

@SailaSobriquet

18 күн бұрын

I can't imagine why discussing how parents have willingly abdicated their parental responsibilities and authority in their kids' lives, and how the resulting vacuum of responsibility and authority was immediately usurped and twisted by nefarious actors within the psychology and psychiatric industries to generate as much long-term revenue for themselves as possible, which was then further exploited by social activists within those disciplines to push an agenda on kids, educational and governmental institutions, etc., via a social contagion, would be in anyway controversial.

@patrickwal55

13 күн бұрын

So many great points and I enjoyed the interview and Abigail's general stance of questioning the excesses and over-confidence of therapists/authorities (the "Experts") with strong opinions (see "Dunning Kruger Syndrome" - lol). And yet... I'd have truly loved to hear a friendly debate between Abigail and Jennifer Garvey Berger (just one example of a very fairly different, and wise, perspective here). Abigail seemed to me to be full of as many strong opinions, in complex territory, as are many of the Experts she bristles at. I'm guessing that Berger would be more skillful at holding the tension between the roles of parents and experts, and bring in additional nuance. The territory feels much more complex to me than the direction that Shrier is pointing, tho she does occasionally issue a simple disclaimer (basically a variation of "yes, of course mental health professionals are needed in more dire situations"). On a related topic - I SO love podcasts that feature the host and 2 wise, passionate voices that differ enough that a deep dialectic can emerge. Abigail and Jennifer would provide an amazing conversation. Bottom line - still loved the conversation. Thanks for all that you do Shane - I truly appreciate your books and podcast.

@AguaMar00

13 күн бұрын

@@patrickwal55 Thank you for this insight. I will check out Jennifer Garvey Berger. Keep well.

@patrickwal55

12 күн бұрын

@aguamar00 The Knowledge Project episode with Garvey Berger: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZiEqtqsc9qsndY.htmlsi=dc2ZCQThGhIIB6Vs

@chirwaangel

7 күн бұрын

It's important and I get it and what shes saying, just needs another episode to have the complete picture.

She’s starting a conversation. You don’t have to agree with some of it, or any of it. Just don’t feel threatened by it - they’re just ideas.

I agree with a few points but on the topic of research, I need to see the sources. She does not have a degree in a science and i want to understand what she thinks is "good research" vs "bad research." She likes to reference research ambiguously as a general term to support her arguments and that doesn't sit right with me.

@willyjum

17 күн бұрын

It seems she'll say something agreeable and use it as a point for fear mongering. "This one practice is bad. Turns out everybody is doing this thing." Not sure if it's intentional but she over generalizes a lot of these thoughts and ideas. There is one "mental health expert" and this entity is our enemy. Kinda weird you'd give her a platform to spread her ideas, Shane.

@willyjum

17 күн бұрын

I have listened to this podcast 2x and I think Shrier should not have been given an opportunity on your podcast to speak. There is heavy irony in her statement about conspiracy theories right after spewing a conspiracy about "mental health experts" or the "mental health industry" not protesting lockdowns. You know who else didn't protest lockdowns? CDC, WHO, most medical professionals. There was a super infectious virus that most health experts(not just mental health) didn't want to spread.There is no agenda to find more clients to treat. There's so much to unpack after listening to it twice. The idea that schizophrenics are dangerous? Shane, you ought to know better. I have shown this to my girlfriend and she can see through her tactics as well. We can both see how she manipulates people into agreeing with her by saying something agreeable, escalating it to something sketchy, then saying something disagreeable to somehow make her final point be tied to her first agreeable point...

@jonathandonnelly6915

16 күн бұрын

@@willyjumit’s only an hour interview. You want her citing studies during an interview? Her sources are most certainly in the back of the book she wrote. There’s probably a way to find those pages without buying the book - get it at the library. Do you think she’s hiding things?

@MindFieldMusic

15 күн бұрын

Exactly. Thank you. I commented above that her arguments seem to generally rely on anecdotal evidence and personal stories rather than scientific studies. But you're right that when she does refer to evidence she doesn't provide any sources.

@kevini5043

9 күн бұрын

Yep this was my issue as well with the entire interview. Emily Oster did such a good job breaking down the research she used to arrive at her conclusions in her books, I’d like to see something similar here.

Damn, can you imagine someone doing this much research just to avoid connecting with their own children and justifying changing them into what they deem more socially appropriate? Gobsmacked. 😂

"And while I agree with Shrier that the statistics on skyrocketing rates of diagnoses for kids are sobering and deserve a hard look, the idea that therapy is where it all went wrong is where things get a little slippery. It takes Shrier until Page 70 to acknowledge that the vast majority of American children are not, in fact, in therapy, in the “one-on-one, weekly-ish conversation with a professional” sense. They are, instead, receiving some elements of it through social-emotional learning curricula in schools. For those of you not up to date on the parenting culture wars, social-emotional learning has become the latest flashpoint. The idea behind SEL curricula, which started gaining traction in the past decade, is to cultivate interpersonal skills and self-awareness in children to help them succeed in school and beyond. A recent report from the Yale School of Medicine shows evidence of SEL’s benefits, and personally, I’ve seen how it has helped my own kids learn healthy conflict resolution and how to apologize. ... The problem is how Shrier generalizes, spinning her interviews into an attack on the very idea of teaching kids emotional literacy. She has talked to many parents and educators, sure, but that cannot be scaled to the population level. While it’s clear SEL has gone off in the rails in some classrooms, it can also have a lot of benefits, especially for boys, who often suffer in a culture that tells them the only way they can express emotion is through anger. ... But I fear this is a climate where children lose. Because even with our differences, Shrier and I and everybody else I know want the same thing, which is to raise capable, confident humans who are able to go out into the world and thrive. There is no political philosophy that maps perfectly onto the right way to raise a child. The sooner we figure that out, the better." (Anna Nordberg for Slate)

Such a refreshing perspective. Teach kids accountability not excuses.

@Lina-cy2yc

Күн бұрын

exactly! I'e seen it many, many times with my adult friends too.

Tanks for this post. This interview is so great. Instead of being helped, parents have been undermined for a long time. Kids really need help. I know a story of a kid that was on therapy and the therapist decided to talk with the kid's school and made decisions with the teachers without the parents agreement!! These parents took the kid out of therapy and the kid start getting better.

OMG. Awesome. I have never thought about these issues in that way. So true! I love the way she talks. Thank you so much

Who gives their kids over ro therapists? Its just guidance counselors i thought

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So very true

Its a good conversation and she makes good points. It however makes alot of assumptions, and it would be responsible to have another person, preferably someone/s who has/ve done the research give data so that people have full view. Society has changed, and how we live is changing... its probably more a society thing, not therapist issue. We await the reference lists.

Yes, Yes, YES!!!! I wholeheartedly agree with this premise. Her mindset (and mine) is why I feel my adult (19 and 21) “children” are knocking it out of the park in life. Sometimes, “Suck it up, Buttercup,” is the most helpful message to convey. It sounds tough, but it can be presented with love, respect, and confidence. I can’t pin point my favorite part of the episode only because there were so many times I wanted to scream, “Holy shit! A sensible woman!?!”

This woman is wrong on every fking level. We as parents fight a daily battle to prevent our kids from turning to drones with continuous exposure to social media, advertising, continuous media bombardment, collapsing school system where we are all forking out our life savings for a private school or being a partial home school teacher, and overworking to make aure we can afford fhe damn kid and still being there as a parent. We dont have time for the bs. I want to know where she's seeing parents do this, all I see is shit parents throwing a tablet or phone in from of the damn kids

@sebastiantevel898

7 күн бұрын

Sir, you did not listen to her at all.

I knew that all along. The nonsense of bad therapy, the snowflake culture at schools and even universities, and all that stuff... The scale of the brainwashing is frightening. No wonder Shane was nervous about posting this episode. I'm so glad he did. Thank you Shane. And of course thank you Abigail. I hope it is the beginning of getting back to normal, of shaking off this madness from schools and families, and from people's minds. The tide might be turning, I hope...

3:19 JOIN MY CULT

Wow, I disagree with just about everything the This woman says - generalities, and old nonsense.

@alainbelisle4543

16 күн бұрын

I disagree with everything you said in your comment

this is bullshit, i dont want authority at all when i was a kid. i will never feel "close" to anyone if i feel she or he trys to be authority of me

@alainbelisle4543

16 күн бұрын

You sound fragile

It's an interesting story, and there's some truth in it. But as a psychologist married to a therapist, and as a parent, I think she's way off the mark. And in many ways it's just "kids these days don't know they are born" but with some fancy words thrown in. I.e. the kind of thinking that tells you that you're getting old.

I couldn’t even listen for long because she sounds like such a therapy hater. How about some balance?