None of this wouldn't have happened if Greg Gibson, the home plate umpire was there motioning to both players.

@pseud0nymous

8 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there..

@imchamp4324

8 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@budthestud9400

8 жыл бұрын

LOL

@joefaz1026

8 жыл бұрын

Lol that's a baseball fan right there

@meganpape7232

8 жыл бұрын

+Mega Medium Thats in to the right feild corner,robinson......nice catch for out #1

2019 and just barely showing up on my recommendations what the?

@1andonly1

5 жыл бұрын

Ha! Me too. I thought this was recent

@xplayman

5 жыл бұрын

This video still shows up as a recommended video several times despite me having seen it back in 2014.

@coachwilson5967

4 жыл бұрын

Effing Google....censorship

The first baseman should have ran to first after tagging the runner going to second, complete the double play, and get out of the inning. There was one out. No need to throw home.

@DrProfSlugger

9 жыл бұрын

BeatleKid96 I honestly don't know why he didn't do that.

@ethanjohnson5966

9 жыл бұрын

i think he knew that he missed the tag so he immediately threw it home i honestly dont think he tagged him

@MagicGamesOfficial

9 жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the replays?

@ethanjohnson5966

9 жыл бұрын

i know but the ump didnt call him out during the play so he threw it home

@MrPimpPenguin

8 жыл бұрын

3:36 "This play under review is presented by Samsung" Sponsorship is getting a little out of hand

@arrowhead5217

6 жыл бұрын

Linguini Not that bad. I think the NFL has the worst sponsorships honestly.

@brownsfan6447

6 жыл бұрын

Try listening to Ohio State Football. And a “Poet big play Third down” or something like that. Sacks, touchdowns, tackles for losses, third downs, and everything possible is sponsored. It’s crazy...

@kenneymilord1609

5 жыл бұрын

Linguini 😂😂😂

@portlandcardcompany5793

5 жыл бұрын

Minor League Baseball is bad too. "This Foul Ball is presented by" ... "This First Pitch Strike is brought to you by" ... Kind of ridiculous.

@hifijohn

5 жыл бұрын

this yankees red sox brawl is brought to you by.... this nut shot is brought to you by.... this manager ejection is brought to you by....

The argument that I find here is that there was no way in knowing that the A's catcher knew he had to tag the runner since the first base umpire called the runners all safe initially.

@tedgey4286

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Horvat the catcher should have tagged the runner it would have required no effort and he had no play at first. besides, he saw the first baseman TRY to tag the runner. that's enough for me

@yodakazam

5 жыл бұрын

That's probably what was being protested...

@1NICK23

5 жыл бұрын

tedgey omg ur so stupid

@brookiiecookie199

5 жыл бұрын

1NICK23 3 years late dipshit.

@jitsmapper4438

5 жыл бұрын

@@brookiiecookie199 better late than never

"I've never seen this play before" Apparently these guys have never seen high school baseball.

5 жыл бұрын

I think hes talking about a coach arguing his player was out

@RandomGuy42016

5 жыл бұрын

“TAAAAAAAAGGGGGGG”

@sean3533

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I remember running a specific bases loaded drill where first baseman would make the tag or tag the base then throw home yelling "tag tag tag!"

@9:59 you can see the A's pitcher and firstbaseman pointing for their catcher to apply the tag. They both saw the tag on the runner.

@TeranRealtor

8 жыл бұрын

+Caio Hinkenickel But the catcher had a better line of sight view of the first base umpire, who called the runner safe, so there was still a force at home.

@goodman528

8 жыл бұрын

+Caio Hinkenickel Well spotted

@shawnd7798

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Teran True, but if he would have made the tag anyway, it takes care of everything...:)

@jesuscage

5 жыл бұрын

Good eye

@jitsmapper4438

5 жыл бұрын

Good catch, but the catcher's actions could have been influenced by the safe call from the 1st base ump, which is why I think the protest is a good idea to at least get this strange rule interaction examined. In any case, 1st baseman should have taken the easy double play (unless he knew he missed him). And the catcher should have just tagged just in case.

as a first baseman, I was taught that if I made the tag on the runner and had to throw home, I had to yell "tag! tag!" as I threw to home plate. Freiman's mistake was in not going to the bag for the easiest out after the tag and not yelling tag during the throw.

@TedManney

8 жыл бұрын

+Kevin Moore Freiman couldn't be certain that he was going to successfully tag Kawasaki, and with a safe call made by the first base umpire, he had no choice to assume that there *was* no tag, so therefore going to first would have been a stupid play and there was no reason to yell "tag" because there was a force play.

@kevinmoore2929

8 жыл бұрын

+TedManney spend 15-20 years playing and practicing at first base then come back and have this discussion.

@eazyedLA

8 жыл бұрын

Actually you only go to the bag if the ball is hit to your left

@angelbonilla6673

8 жыл бұрын

thats the first thing I thought... why didnt he yell tag when he threw home...unless he thought he missed the runner.

@kevinmoore2929

8 жыл бұрын

Angel Bonilla better to yell tag than to let everyone assume.

This play presented by the grass growing under the players’ feet.

Hows the catcher supposed to know to tag him if the first base umpire called the other guy safe? Should they tag on every force play just in case? I see the As reason for protesting

@mtthwskdmr2

5 жыл бұрын

If the first base umpire called him safe, then that means the force is still on at home. However, since Freeman knows he tagged the runner, basic communication would be to yell "TAG, TAG, TAG!" because the force is removed at all bases except first.

@YouTube.Algorithmic.Nonsense

5 жыл бұрын

Probably should just to be on the safe side. Just like in football now where you should pick up the ball and run for a TD in case it's later ruled a fumble.

@whyamimrpink78

5 жыл бұрын

In the era of replay you don't take anything for granted. Flip it around. Mike Moustakas, during his first year in the big leagues, caught a fly ball that was called a trap. He caught the ball, held it up for the ump to see, it was called a trap and the runner was safe. The Royals lost that game due to that. That was before replay. Mike had plenty of time to throw the ball to first and get the out but instead he held it up thinking the ump will call it out. In that case you finish the play out. Now we have replay but what teams have been doing lately is holding the tag on the runner just in case they pop up off of the bag. New rules different approach to the game.

@jitsmapper4438

5 жыл бұрын

right, how can we know which calls to ignore and which calls to heed?

@pyrobryan

5 жыл бұрын

@@KZread.Algorithmic.Nonsense But if he wastes time applying a tag to a runner that he's already forced out at the base, he could miss an opportunity to pick a runner off by throwing to a different base. Watch him after he tags the plate, he's looking to see if he can make a play somewhere else.

The first base ump called the runner safe, catcher then reacts based off of that and doesn't tag the runner at home. How can you penalize the A's by scoring the run?

@michaels2136

4 жыл бұрын

How can you penalize the Blue Jays because the umps fucked up? A's 1B should have told the catcher to tag the runner. That's what you do when you negate a force-out, no matter what position you're at.

@roryh2241

2 жыл бұрын

Because the Jays scored a valid run according to the rules of baseball, even though obviously the catcher could have made the tag if needed but that’s on them for not being aware

Shouldn’t the runner be on 1st and 3rd after they overturned the call?

@crazgamr6295

5 жыл бұрын

You’re right. It should be Runners on 1st and 3rd, One run scored, and 2 Outs

@chrisfillmore2523

5 жыл бұрын

No. The play continued with the runner going to second.

@danpowers3775

4 жыл бұрын

@@crazgamr6295 my head was spinning, but since apparently the 1st baseman tagged the runner going from 1st to 2nd, it really in live play was now 1st & 3rd with two outs and the 1st baseman foolishly threw to home plate for a double-play (could've just stepped on 1st base & its a 3-unassisted double-play on your scorecard), the tag rule is enforced cause one of the two bases (1st or 2nd was unoccupied) & the runner on 3rd isn't forced to run. This happened too fast I wouldn't know what to do as an ump or player

@roosterbooster2353

3 жыл бұрын

10:38 he is at first just just the scoreboard is wrong

Hahaha a team wanting to to challenge that their own player is out......Thats awesome haha. Great challenge though.

@iambatman71

9 жыл бұрын

Right

@hadmiar8

9 жыл бұрын

soccerlover1598 Well, if they tagged the runner from second it would remove the force at home and the run would score. Though you probably know that.

@cheekypasta55

9 жыл бұрын

hadmiar8 Yeah I know the situation, I just wanted to comment on how awesome the situation was. Never seen anything like it before.

@hadmiar8

9 жыл бұрын

soccerlover1598 True.

@stormrider927

5 жыл бұрын

And that's why baseball is for smart people! Johnny Gibbons one of the most underrated Skips ever

Correct ruling after review except for the player advancing to second. Should have had been players on the corners.

@TroyVan6654

7 жыл бұрын

adalaza An error on the broadcaster's part; they were misled by the announcer saying "runner tagged out at first" that they took R1 off right after seeing the out signal without checking the field after or realizing that a runner going from first should be at second after the play. At 8:42 the umpire said "the guy on second's out", so New York got it right.

@navymusician822

7 жыл бұрын

Stevie Wonder would've said NY got it right LOL

@alexdeschenes243

7 жыл бұрын

I think the batter was the one who advanced to second.

The problem is that the first base umpire called the "tag" as Safe. If the tag is called safe, then it makes sense that it continues as a force play instead of a tag play.

He tagged the guy who was on first going to second. Shouldn’t there be players on first and third and not second and third?

@SuperAverageJason

5 жыл бұрын

9eagle9 the batter advanced to second after the throw home (fielder’s choice)

@jonmcd13

5 жыл бұрын

False there was a runner on second until the play was reviewed

@jonmcd13

5 жыл бұрын

And then the runner on first was magically there

@Caderic

5 жыл бұрын

That's the TV crew (graphics guy) not getting it right...or not caring until the game continued. II

Here's the problem with expanded instant replay. Since the first base ump rule that the runner was safe, the A's catcher believed only a force play was necessary. By overturning the tag call and allowing the run to score, you are ASSUMING the catcher would have still played it as if it were a force play.

@ItsPotahto

6 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey John the first baseman and pitcher were pointing and probably yelling at him

@falseprophet1024

5 жыл бұрын

@@ItsPotahto Thats irrelevant. 1st base umpire calls safe, telling the catcher its a force. If the umpire calls out, the catcher tags him. This is an example of the umps blowing a call and then punishing the other team by "correcting" it.. regardless of how the review goes the As gey screwed by the blown call. If its upheld, the As get a free runner at 2nd. If overturned they get a free run.

@tizzytank579

9 ай бұрын

Even the Home plate umpire thought it was out at home.

Rumor has it to this day the dodgers are still celebrating in their dugout

@findacure520

7 жыл бұрын

Sulfuric Acid it's the bluejays

@Miguel-yg4si

7 жыл бұрын

Your an idiot it's the blue jays

@TypicalDodgersFan

7 жыл бұрын

Dude its just that you dont get the joke

@B3Band

7 жыл бұрын

LOL @ the people don't get these jokes. Explanation: MLB KZread videos often have outros that play the same clips on multiple videos. "The Dodgers are celebrating in their dugout" is one of those clips. "Greg Gibson motining to both players" is another one. Think before you open your stupid mouths.

@radconserv68

6 жыл бұрын

+Dippinshotz It never ceases to amaze me when people call someone an idiot and prove that they are the idiot by not using proper grammar. "Your an idiot it's the blue jays" YOU'RE, as in YOU ARE.

This is one of the biggest problem in the rules of baseball. Runners being called out or safe immediately changes the rest of the play. If the call is late, no one knows what the situation is, and if the call is wrong, it can be impossible to work out who should be safe or out, and which bases the runners should be on. It's the same thing with a possible catch; if the umpire isn't sure whether it's caught, no one knows whether to tag up or keep running, and if the umpire makes the wrong call and it's reviewed, they basically have to guess where everyone would have ended up.

@jitsmapper4438

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, people thinking this is an easy call/review aren't really thinking it through. MLB could take the position that all players are responsible for keeping track of the game state on their own and cannot rely upon umpires calls to make decisions, but then every pitch will be reviewed and robots will take over the officiating.

@blakethornsbrough1528

Жыл бұрын

The catcher is not looking at the 1st base umpire when the throw is coming to him. 1st baseman needs to yell tag tag tag to let him know he needs to tag the runner coming home.

@edsimnett

9 ай бұрын

@@blakethornsbrough1528 not convinced: at 9:51 he is looking straight at the ball, the 1B and the umpire (who is calling safe right then). These are athletes with good vision and even a normee would be able to see that.

You can tell by the catcher's body language that the catcher knew He screwed up.

@lincolnhawk4671

5 жыл бұрын

Tim Lackie Jr. Not true. The catcher was wondering why there is a discussion at all because he saw the first base umpire call the runner going to second base safe at 9:50 of this video.

@rumpustime5460

5 жыл бұрын

You know the catcher?

@lincolnhawk4671

5 жыл бұрын

003 7712 I’m an athlete. That’s all you need to know. Now get back in the kitchen and cook the man some eggs bitch!

@lincolnhawk4671

5 жыл бұрын

003 7712 That was a very sad line. You don’t get many women do you? Oh, you like men you say? That pretty much sums up every one of your comments.

@rumpustime5460

5 жыл бұрын

@@lincolnhawk4671 Considering my original comment was not directed to you, you're actually the one looking for attention from other men here. Not interested, but there's someone for everyone. Don't give up bud.

I was actually at this game. My dad and I sat there confused the whole time. We weren't even mad when the call was made lol.

This is why I always tag the runner coming home no matter what

The A's argument could be that the ump called the runner safe, so the catcher thought he had a force out at home...which they just mentioned at the end of the video.

@adamarchambeau7063

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think players should let umpires dictate the rhythm of play before the final out. Meaning that if your going for the double play, act like you got the first out no matter how close it was, if he tagged him at home and it was unnecessary BC the runner at second was actually safe then so be it. But changing the Strategy mid play is where we get protests like this. (Obviously you have to look to the umpire for final out confirmation) OK new plan. After writing this I can see why the A's protested. Bc of the safe call they didn't want to waste time with a tag giving the other runner a chance to move up. I see both arguments now.

@adamarchambeau7063

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe a change for this is making tag plays that change force outs on other bases unreviewable. But i just noticed this damn thing was 5 years ago soooooo

@pyrobryan

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamarchambeau7063 I agree, mostly. But you can see the catcher checking the other bases looking for another play. If he wasted time applying an unnecessary tag, he might miss a play at about base.

@adamarchambeau7063

5 жыл бұрын

@@pyrobryan i think I said the same thing on another comment lmao

I've never seen anything like this. One of those bizarre rules

I think in a situation like this, where an incorrect call gets overturned and cascades to change other calls on the field, the team which changed their play based on the call could choose to let the original call stand (IE. The A's could choose to let the runner going to second remain safe, and the force still be in effect at home... since that's how it was called on the field). Sort of like how football teams have the choice of whether to let a play stand on a foul. I know this could be a little sticky... in cases like this, the Jays could argue that if EE had seen the out call, he would have known the force was off and returned to 3rd, so it would end up being a judgement call from the umps, but it seems reasonable. To me, what happened here would be akin to a player hitting a single, which on review is overturned into a home run. Then, because it's a home run he's called out because he overran first base (thinking it was a single) and technically left the base path. You can't punish a team for playing according to an umpire's call.

That was on the catcher too. He needs better awareness to see the runner tagged going to second and to know the force is no longer in play. Umps make mistakes (quite often) so you can't totally rely on them, catcher should have seen the tag and put the tag on at the plate just incase.

Would have been interesting if the Blue Jays won to see what the results of the protest would have been. But the first baseman has to be yelling tag when he throws to alert the catcher to what's going on.

@willoughbykrenzteinburg

9 жыл бұрын

puttter The catcher new what was going on. The umpire ruled him safe, so as far as the catcher is concerned, there is a force at home.

@ericalexander3246

9 жыл бұрын

Willoughby Krenzteinburg The catcher DIDN'T know what was going on. If he did, he would have tagged the runner coming home. He assumed he had a force play, and he was wrong. The catcher have known that the runner leaving 1B may have been tagged, so he's got to know he should tag the runner coming home. He blew it.

@willoughbykrenzteinburg

9 жыл бұрын

Eric Alexander You understand that the umpire ruled safe, right? The catcher sees this call, and assumes there is a force. Are we supposed to just assume the calls of umpires are always wrong? Why would he assume that the runner got tagged when the umpire SAYS HE IS SAFE?!!! I'm not convinced you understand fully what is going on here.

@ericalexander3246

9 жыл бұрын

Willoughby Krenzteinburg I see what you're saying. I thought the ump at 1B signaled out, but i slowed it down and see he made a safe sign. I didn't pay attention to what the TV said for outs and baserunners because they get it wrong on every odd play.

@bobhiggins5637

9 жыл бұрын

Willoughby Krenzteinburg There is no way the catcher saw that signal. The throw was already in the air to him, so he was focusing on the throw. He just made an assumption that no tag had been made. If he had been thinking he would have made the tag just in case.

Umpire at first base said safe saying its a force out. No reason for review. Umpires fault

@garrettlees

5 жыл бұрын

Completely correct

anyone else here from 2019

Technically, the first baseman should have yelled “Tag!” Just like a double play when he fields the ball, touches first, and then throws to second. Obviously a rare and crazy play but the first baseman should have called for a tag at the plate.

The announcer at 4:15 was wrong, there was a call, the 1st base umpire called the runner going to 2nd, safe. That's why the home-plate umpire looked over to 1st base and then called the runner going home, out.

The A's went on to win the game, which moots the protest. Too bad. Could have been one of those great lawyerly baseball questions.

A fascinating play. This play seems to have an endless number of layers to it, for example, the first base umpire did wave that the runner was safe and had not been tagged, but his call was only made as the throw was leaving the first baseman's hand. An argument can be made that a catcher should have the right to rely upon the signal of the umpire, but in this situation the call could not have been made quick enough for the catcher to rely upon it. I am trying to figure out what the rule SHOULD be rather than what it actually is. And I am not sure.

@jitsmapper4438

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the called seemed simple at first, but it was deceptively so.

9:14: “Well I’m just as confused as I was in the beginning.” Same 😂😂

Thank God for instant replay. The A's would have won at least more two playoff games back around the year 2000 if instant replay had existed.

it should be guy is out at second with runners on first and third and jays have a run

@OpTiuMDezo

9 жыл бұрын

James Bond i dont know it should have been first and third

@timmyboy04

9 жыл бұрын

OpTiuM Dezzo Good way to confuse people who are trying to learn the game...

@OpTiuMDezo

9 жыл бұрын

timmyboy yeah really

@colindelaney9587

9 жыл бұрын

OpTiuM Dezzo I think the runner that hit the single "stole" 2nd. Idk when he did it, but that's what I'm assuming. Because with there not being a force out due to the tag, the ball was still live after the throw to home. I hope that makes sense. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I think!

@OpTiuMDezo

9 жыл бұрын

***** yeah i see where you are going with that and i skipped that so i think you are right

This play and its review is very interesting. They got the call right by ruling R1 out on the tag, but how do you then judge whether or not the catcher would have made an attempt to tag R3 had U1 not waved safe due to no tag on the play, and whether or not that tag would have been successful? That signal by U1 may (and may not) have effected the catcher's actions. I can see how this call stands as is after being reviewed, but I can also see how this review could have ended up with both R1 and R3 being ruled out. Hmmm..

@Orisni

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Clark first base should have yelled TAG when he threw home, fk they taught us this in little league

@chrispotter3190

5 жыл бұрын

Orisni and the umpire should have called the runner out when the first baseman tagged him. They also taught us this

The chillest fellow is dispensing the headphones.

Did MLB ever address this in a rules update? There were 2 "plays" that happened (1. Tag? of runner from first. 2. Force out at home.) And the 2nd play was based on info from the first. But it was the first play that challenged, and thus resulted in an overturn of the 2nd play.

It's obvious. If the man at 1st is tagged out, the runner at home is safe because he was not tagged by the catcher. It's no longer a force out, it has to be a tag out.

@condorboy1

8 жыл бұрын

+Steve Thomas The issue becomes the umpires original call. The catcher didn't tag him because the 1st base ump said there was no original tag meaning he wouldn't have had to tag the runner at home because it would be a force out.

@silencedknight

8 жыл бұрын

+Steve Thomas someone posted this and its true, I didn't look into it so much. There is someone on third base or someone from second running to third therefore making the person at homeplate still a force play. Let me know what you think, I could be wrong.

@oO-kf4tz

7 жыл бұрын

what is force out....at the home plate no matter what the catcher should tag the runner right ? or is there any other rule...pls explain

@aidanpowell9143

7 жыл бұрын

silencedknight you are wrong. That's not how it works. Basically, if the lead runner HAS to run on a hit, it's a force out anywhere. For example, if there are runners on 1st and 2nd, and a batter hits it to 3rd base, it's a force out at 3rd, then at 2nd, then 1st.

@jkrish4845

7 жыл бұрын

silencedknight you are actually wrong. No different than 1st baseman touches 1st base and throws to 2nd. The fielder at 2nd has to tag runner

If the umpires didn't see the tag, then duh they have no choice but to review it, review is the greatest thing that ever happened to the MLB!

I know this is a few years ago,,,,, but the equipment (headset guy) guy is one cool looking dude!

Let me sum this up for the people still confused. The call after the review was correct since the runner was tagged, the play by the catcher was the correct play though also because with the original call on the field the play at home was a force out. The catcher would have seen the first base umpire calling the runner safe making the play at home a force out so he didn't think he had to tag the runner. But since he was actually tagged the play at the plate was no longer a force out. The reason the A's protested the game was basically because the first base umpire gave the Jays a run by calling the runner safe but lets say the call on the field stood because according the first to the call on the field the runner at home should've been out, the Jays could've protested the game saying you took a run away from us. If the first base umpire could've made the correct call on the field none of this would've happened.

Watch the wide angle replay. The 1st baseman WAS YELLING and POINTING to the catcher

@joecoolmccall

6 жыл бұрын

marvlm the first baseman thought he tagged him- but didn't see the 1st base ump call safe- which I gather the catcher did see...

@daltoncampbell887

5 жыл бұрын

@marvlm last second and in slow motion too, that’s hard to see especially when the runner was called safe. I know this comment is two years old but still

This is why I love baseball lol, you don't really see stuff like this in other sports.

I just want to say i hate youtube for ads in the middle of videos.

From the Retrosheet description of the game: Melvin played the game under protest, which was thrown out due to the Athletics victory; after the game, it was determined that a team cannot protest any decision made by replay;

@alanhess9306

7 ай бұрын

I don't believe that the protest would have been upheld anyway because the safe call on R1 was a judgement call. There was no misapplication of a rule.

Should’ve been a 3U double play if he was thinking

@xotylervertttt

5 жыл бұрын

Jake Conley exactly

As a catcher, how would you know to tag the runner if the 1st base runner was called safe?

@nickblanchard9526

5 жыл бұрын

That’s a good point because the catcher had no reason to tag him so it’s unfair for him that the run should count

@richives1939

5 жыл бұрын

Because F3 knew he tagger the runner so he should have been yelling "tag" so the catcher would know.

@paulnisherATHXC

5 жыл бұрын

Rich Ives The umpire fucked up. There’s zero reason for the catcher to tag the runner when he sees the safe call at first.

This play should not be reviewable. Simple as that. If it is reviewed and reversed (as it was here), then you penalize the defensive team for acting in accordance with the call on the field. Do we really want players to start assuming the call is wrong and apply a tag on every play? No. Fortunately, the A's won this game so the protest was dropped, but MLB needs to tweak the replay rule (if it hasn't already) so this never occurs again.

@kavifarr1758

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Haswell There is no way Vogt saw the umpire's safe call and because of that didn't apply a tag, he simply assumed no tag had been applied to Kawasaki and did what he would normally do on such a play.

@lifeformingleadershipcoach3197

9 жыл бұрын

Kavi Farr the catcher is looking right at first base and the umpire is right there, so I'm not sure how you can say that the catcher didn't respond to the umpire's call.

@kyleraymer5581

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Haswell I have to agree here. Football has gone to the whole ability to assume the call was wrong and it has really made the sport even more controversial than it already was.

so basically what my understanding of this play is this: vogt thought it was a force out at home so he didnt tag, but it ended up being a tag play because he was out, but the A's manager is saying how could he tag him if he thought it was originally a force???

this play took 10 minutes to review??? wtf...

@aidantribble7588

8 жыл бұрын

Ikr, the empires should have been able to just turn over the play, it's not rocket science, it wasn't a force out, 1-0 BlueJays with 1out

@jarotdacarotsgarden8789

8 жыл бұрын

+Aidan Tribble Umps never seen it before. You can only challenge part. Kind of confusing.

@ericespinoza4905

7 жыл бұрын

but he called him safe so it wasnt his fault he didnt tag. it is the umpires fault and thus is completely unfair to the a's

@B3Band

7 жыл бұрын

^ Nope. First baseman and pitcher both yelled tag. See 9:57 Catcher fucked up. Can't blame the ump.

@davetedesco3564

7 жыл бұрын

YOu certainly can blame the umpire. It isnt the responsibility of the players to tell the catcher to tag or not. If the umpire calls safe, then officially, the play is still a force and the catcher doesnt need to tag. I can yell tag on every single play if i want, it doesnt mean the umpires can signal anything they want. I am not really sure what the solution is though. YOu do have to call the runner on first out since that is a reviewable call. Doing so means the play at home SHOULD have been a tag but since you cant reverse time, you are essentially penalizing oakland for an umpires miscall. I think that is what is being protested here. I wonder what the solution to this ended up being

It should be: runners on the corners, 2 outs, with one run scored

@CycloneGU

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I caught that too. Baffling that they even screwed THAT up.

@RUmlas

7 жыл бұрын

I believe TV side got it wrong. At the end of the highlights, you see first base occupied by a Jay's runner. Based on the outfield and the stands in the stadium.

@kaiserfred3396

7 жыл бұрын

I dispute that the run should score. The reason being that the runner going to second was initially called safe, and so the catcher RIGHTFULLY did not attempt a tag play because he would have correctly inferred a force play in the situation where the runner was called safe, and it was only after the play that the runner was called out. If the umpire called the runner out, then the catcher could have noticed and executed a tag play. It's unfair to the catcher who justifiably did not execute a tag play under the conditions that the umpires themselves created.

@seamus1956

7 жыл бұрын

Kaiser Fred unfortunately, none of that matters in the black and white of the rule book. Once it was determined that the tag was made, that takes the force off at home and they had to score the run.

@fastkid456

7 жыл бұрын

you dont know baseball so youre dumb and no it shouldnt

You can not blame the catcher he did not know that he tagged him

The best 10 min of baseball I’ve ever seen priceless👌👌👌

Why didn't the first basemen just tag the guy and touch 1st base? Inning ending double play. Looks like he has plenty of time. Maybe he thought he missed the tag?

@thumpertx1

8 жыл бұрын

cause there was no out called on his tag. so he needed to throw home to keep the run from scoring.

@macattack4489

8 жыл бұрын

+Doug Parker when the runner running to second was tagged, the force at home is automatically eliminated.

@CycloneGU

7 жыл бұрын

I argued this in another comment thread. He should have gone to first, then the As would argue for the tag, not John Gibbons (who would put himself out of the inning with no gain).

Genius move by TBJ. Too bad they lost

Thumps up for the badass radio guy.

The first base umpire motioned safe after the first baseman tagged the runner. Which means that the call on the field was that he was not tagged. So the rest of the play has to be judged assuming that Runner was safe meaning the play at home technical should be a force out.

Why was this so difficult for them?

@Baseball11626

9 жыл бұрын

Sprattbj The issue is that due to the "safe" call at first, the A's catcher didn't believe he had to tag the runner going home. Why penalize the A's for the umpires mistake?

@UltraCrazycarl

8 жыл бұрын

Baseball11626 Yes I agree , the no call on the tag should have let the play stand.

@TeranRealtor

8 жыл бұрын

+Baseball11626 Exactly. What is the catcher expected to do? Create a collision play at the plate on every force out there.... just in case one of the runners later gets called out? They could be called out later due to running out of the base line, or being tagged. But the first base ump DID call him safe - no tag.

@Forbeszy1

7 жыл бұрын

There was a call on the tag. They said safe when he was clearly tagged.

@cameronwatson1807

6 жыл бұрын

Because you get to watch replays over and over again and they're doing it in real time

Probably the first baseman needed to go to 1st and get the out there, why throw home? Anyway, they never made the call for the runner going to second so nobody knew hey had to tag him, I think this is on the umpires, because if they called him out, he would have known to tag him, like he said, it was a little unfair. He could have ran out of the baseline as well to avoid the tag. This is a wierd play, but at the same time it makes a little since. Glad I didn't watch this live, because I would be really confused too.

What a bizarre play!

Of there was no tag at first and the first plate umpire called him safe the play at home doesn't require a tag. You can't have it the way you want it.

1. Since the 1st base ump called the runner from 1st base to 2nd base was safe from a tag, during play, the A's played it according to the umps call. 2. At the end of it all, there should be a runner at 3rd and 1st. NOT 2nd. The runner going from 1st to 2nd was the one tagged. Yet they call out the batter going to 1st. Just DUMB

@nn-nu8hf

5 жыл бұрын

I think they called out the runner on first, which would have been the runner going to second. Yeah the first base umpire screwed over both teams. Regardless of which way they would call it, one team was going to get screwed over.

I'm going to ask a dumb question here. There was one out. The ball was hit to first. He tagged the runner going to second and threw the ball home. Why the bloody hell didn't he just run over and step on first base for the presumed double play and cancel the run anyway? In the end, the As would have argued the tag at first instead of John Gibbons, and the inning would be over after the tag was confirmed. The As ought to be embarrassed that this even happened.

@phsyco6667

7 жыл бұрын

Cyclone I was thinking the same thing

@vadoom3353

7 жыл бұрын

Cyclone it wouldve made this a lot easier but i think the 1st baseman saw there was no tag guess he mustve missed him and made the smart play and threw to home to prevent a run

@TroyVan6654

6 жыл бұрын

The inning would be over *after the tag was confirmed*. It was not guaranteed that R1 would be called out on replay. The call on the field was no tag. There must be clear and convincing evidence to overturn the call, and the fielders in the play could not have known whether there was enough evidence, or even if the tag was made. Perhaps 1B missed by a hair or made some other mistake - it was very hard to figure it out in real time and make a play. The safe course of play was to rely on the call on the field and throw home. Had 1B gone to the 1B bag and anything gone wrong, a run would have scored.

@truffleshuffle009

5 жыл бұрын

He applied the tag and knew he did. There was no miss of the tag. also, it looks as if the pitcher and first baseman who applied the tag were pointed at the catcher to apply a tag on the runner coming to home plate @9:59

1st base ump missed the call. Play stands.

@jitsmapper4438

5 жыл бұрын

We fucked up, so we'll keep the result. It's a funny situation! It's like, we fucked up on one call, which effected the decisions of the players. Sooooo now what? Can't go back in time to fix a causal chain.

my understanding of this, is player going from 2nd to 3rd cant be forced due to runner from 1st to 2nd being tagged out, however runner from 3rd to home could as the runner from 2nd to 3rd could force bump him to home if that makes any sense my read of the situation is runner from 2nd to 3rd is the only one that could not be called out from a force play but the runner at home could and should as that is how the play happened.

@alanhess9306

7 ай бұрын

Once R1 was called out, there can never be a force at any base.

All the first baseman had to do was tag the runner and tag first

@AEMoreira81

8 жыл бұрын

+Elijah Stevenson Then the A's would have challenged and won that challenge, inning over, with the DP confirmed. Here, the catcher was placed in an impossible situation.

@paulnisherATHXC

5 жыл бұрын

GoodRiddanceGooglePlus The umpire fucked up. There’s zero reason for the catcher to tag the runner when he sees the safe call at first.

What a great play to have happened, never seen this but with the first base ump calling him safe, why would you not just force out and then be ready to make a throw... several things happening at once and I say the runner should be on 2nd with the coming home out.

They probably would have attempted to tag if they didn't already see that all runners were safe according to the umps signal safe.

Let's say that the umpire didn't see the tag, the runner is still about 4 feet out of the baseline, on the infield grass. How did they miss that?

Oakland throwing down on some Boz Scaggs. Nice

@brennan9629

5 жыл бұрын

i knew they were good for something

I like how nobody caught onto the fact that the 1st base umpire's "safe" call was him indicating that the ball was not caught on a line.....

@Kartracer6

6 жыл бұрын

I highly doubt that. He didn't call the play safe until after it was being thrown home.

Not only did the 1st base ump call it safe, the runner ran all the way to second.

At 10:00 the catcher's body language was like, I should have tagged him. As a Blue Jay fan, glad they got it right!

Catcher has to tag the runner.

Wasn’t second base runner out? Not first..

Ok I'll watch it!!

The overturn call was the right one here. It’s natural on a play like this for the corners to throw home for the double play but first base tagged a baserunner before getting the force, completely rendering the force out at home useless. His best option was probably tag the runner and get the force that was still in play at first, but this is a special situation that’s hard to prepare a player for because it started out so routine but evolved into something so unorthodox.

The first base umpire called safe so it is reviewable.

@teeonhighhill8827

5 жыл бұрын

problem is him calling safe, changes how the players act. if he called out the catcher would know he needed to apply a tag, but he called safe so the actions of the players would change.

But the runner ran out of the baseline before he tagged him

@tubenovice

5 жыл бұрын

That would still make him out and creating a tag play at home instead of a force play.

@RyanRobbins007

5 жыл бұрын

He was nowhere close to being out of the base path. The dirt is not the runner's base path.

@Islanders83

5 жыл бұрын

Ryan Robbins the grass is the runners base path? What are you saying? Lol.

@RyanRobbins007

5 жыл бұрын

@@Islanders83 the base runner makes his own path, and that path isn't established until the moment the defense tries to tag him. LOL.

The problem is had the umpires made the call at the proper time the catcher would've tagged at home. It was not a close play at home at all. The goal of the review is to make the outcome whatever would've happened if the umpires had gotten it right. That being said letting a run score here would not achieve what the reviews are meant to.

Just love how this game is played.

@pksnides13

5 жыл бұрын

It's not always fair but its true

8:26 I love how the audience is booing because their team made a bad decision and the mlb got the call RIGHT.

@Realalexostrowski

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion the runner ran out of the baseline therefore he’s out and it’s a force play at home

@alanhess9306

7 ай бұрын

@@Realalexostrowski If R1 was called out, it would have been a tag play at home, not a force play.

very nice way to make this vid 10 minutes long 😘

Interesting to me was the graphic at 4:00 of what can be reviewed. Two itens are "force play except at second base on a double play" and "tag plays including steals and pickoffs". A "tag play" is different than "whether or not a tag was applied". R1 was forced to run, so technically, the tag of R1 was not a tag play; it was a force play at second base, and the out can be made by tagging the runner or the base before he reaches it. If the graphic is correct (debatable when left to TV to get a rule correct), the play should not have been reviewed, the call on the field should have stood, and it would be bases loaded, two outs, no run. R1 is safe at second, R3 is out at home.

This is crazy…..this all coulda been avoided by the first baseman yelling, “tag him”…..WTH

If there was only 1 out at the time and he got the tag down, why couldn't he have gone back and touched first? That's a double play and the run doesn't score

@michaellazo5363

7 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking lol that was a dumbass play on his part lol as a firstbase man I was taught if you tag the runner go to first base that's the closest play especially in this situation and if you go home you have to tell the catcher

@CycloneGU

7 жыл бұрын

He didn't have to go home. He could have gone to first for the unassisted double play and argued the tag. If he indeed missed, then they would give up the run anyway.

According to the rules it should be 1-0 Toronto.

@Jivvi

6 жыл бұрын

If the tag was called correctly, yes. But that's not really the issue. If Kawasaki was called out, the catcher would have at least attempted to make a tag, and they really should be trying to reconstruct what would have happened if the correct call had been made, and everyone on the field had been aware of the situation, not just making a ruling on which tags were made or not made.

@Kartracer6

6 жыл бұрын

According to the rules the Ump signaled no tag so forced out at home.

Does anyone know why if they appealed because of the result of the review or that it wasn't supposed to be a reviewable play?

When did rounders get so complicated?

Why would tagging the player vs the base make a difference to the play at home? Why would it still be considered a force play if the bag was tagged

Never seen this happen before..when the firstbase taged the runner..then that ended the force out at home plate..all runner could held at their bases..wow.that should a renewable play..thats why they brought in the replays into baseball..to keep things from happening

what a surprise sonny gray has bases loaded

what happens with the protest rule? I've never seen it used.

@ericalexander3246

9 жыл бұрын

Aidan Mulligan MLB usually sweeps it under the rug. There's only been 1 protested game upheld in the last 30+ years. In that game, MLB ruled that a rain-shortened game had to continue, instead of being called final. MLB will find any reason they can to blow off legitimate protests.

@brendanabel4728

9 жыл бұрын

Eric Alexander Don't forget the George Brett protest, that was replayed too.

@ericalexander3246

9 жыл бұрын

***** Probably the most famous protest! True, but that protest was over 30 years ago. Buuuuut I was wrong in my statement, anyway. It wasn't over 30 between upheld protests, it was a little over 28 years. There last successful protest fore the one on Aug 19, 2014 was on June 16, 1986. The point is, the MLB will almost definitely find against any protest, automatically. From that 1986 game, it took MLB 28 years, 2 months, and 4 days to actually uphold another protest. That's virtually a mathematical impossibility, especially when you have to believe that the umpires didn't once make a bad call that changed a game for the losing team, and the losing team filed and lost the protest. MLB doesn't want to be bothered with the difficulties (especially among gamblers) of replaying games from the point of protest.

@rjwiechman

7 жыл бұрын

Aidan Mulligan when Billy Martin was managing the Yankees, I think he protested twice a week just for fun.

@danglingbooger3865

6 жыл бұрын

I don't believe you're referring to the Giants/Cubs tarp incident, in which the Giants protested and the Cubs actually agreeing with the Giants in that case. If not, that would make it 2. The other one, which I DO believe you're referring to, happened in 1986 when the Pirates protested a rain-shortened game due to the home plate umpire not allowing enough time to pass in the delay, and called the game anyway.

So wouldn't it make more sense for a force play to also include a tagged player as well as tag base to get the out? Is there another situation where this would make sense?

@alanhess9306

7 ай бұрын

A tag play can definitely be a force play. The tag of R1 was a force play but it wouldn't change anything.

since the umpire called safe on the runner going to second, it is a force play at home so it should be based loaded 2 outs

Well, I’m sure glad MLB found a way to speed up games. (Sarcasm intended).

@SamuelWilson615x

5 жыл бұрын

if you have to explain that you were joking than the joke wasn't good enough

@TheMattyg73

5 жыл бұрын

And honestly, why does the game need to be any faster? Its perfect the way it is

@johncronin9540

5 жыл бұрын

SamuelWilson615 Sarcasm isn’t necessarily about joking. And I include the note because normally, sarcasm is used in speech, and you use a tone of voice which cues the listener that you mean the opposite of what you say. Speeding up the game is not my goal, it is MLB’s stated goal, as games currently last longer than they have in the past. (Box scores record the length of the game). Pro baseball is, through certain rules changes trying to pick up the pace of a game at a time when people’s attention span is shorter. There is also the issue that World Series games start at night, and on the East Coast, children, the future of the game, are in bed long before the game is over. In the minor leagues, Pro Baseball has gone as far as installing a clock (like a play clock in football) which penalizes pitchers if they do not pitch before the clock expires. MLB considered using the clock in the major leagues, but are trying other measures first. All I am pointing out is that adding challenges and reviews of plays is at cross purposes with MLB’s goal (not mine) of speeding up the game.

Since the ump did not call the runner from first out, the play at the plate becomes a force out.. you cant undo the force out and call the runner safe. Umpires apparently have small IQs

@GrantParkzz

5 жыл бұрын

billymac29 4:41 he did call him out (look a right side of screen)

@GrantParkzz

5 жыл бұрын

billymac29 I think u have the low IQ

@billymac29

5 жыл бұрын

@@GrantParkzz you're a moron

Ok so it took me a while to understand this play, but to anyone not understanding what was being arguing this is what happened. The runner going from First Base to Second base was tagged; however, if you look at the first base umpire when the tag is applied, he signals that the runner is safe, therefore making it a force out on Encarnacion. Blue Jays manager argues that the runner going to second was indeed tagged (replay confirms that he was tagged) and that he should be ruled out. Therefore if the runner going to second is out, home plate is no longer a force out (back catcher with foot on home plate while catching ball). Encarnacion should have been tagged because theoretically, Encarnacion could have back tracked to third base and the third base runner could have back tracked to second base on the out because that runner going to second base is no longer in the play as he is out.

@Blanknoone

6 жыл бұрын

In addition, the umpires messed up the call. The runner going to second base should be out and there should be a runner at first base and third base with one run scored. I'm not sure how they came up with a runner at second and third with a run scored...