Here's Robert Nozick's paper if you'd like to read more about this problem. faculty.arts.ubc.ca/rjohns/nozick_newcomb.pdf

@Viscid

5 жыл бұрын

And I think his description of the accuracy of the predictor is an important factor when one makes a choice: "You know that this being has often correctly predicted your choices in the past (and has never, so far as you know, made an incorrect prediction about your choices), and further-more you know that this being has often correctly predicted the choices of other people, many of whom are similar to you, in the particular situation to be described below."

@dominic6542

5 жыл бұрын

Here. You can have either one box of diabetes, or you can have two boxes of diabetes! Which one would you choose?

@hps362

5 жыл бұрын

both

@pappalippa4687

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for everything. I love you, keep it going!

@madsbregnhoej

5 жыл бұрын

what book is this chapter taken from? I might want to buy that book for lets say... 1000 bucks ;)

Me: Yes, obviously both Kevin: A magical genie predicted that and makes B worth 0 Me: That seems like it was an important part of the setup

@j511l322p41

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought! Where the f*** the genie come from?

@thequantaleaper

2 жыл бұрын

Right? The first proposed game and the paradox are not the same thing.

@philsmiles879

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, because with the genie as a fortune zeller this no longer is set in stone but rather is a schrödingers cat type of problem

@dolphinsniper

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this was just complete and utter bollocks. The genine is a complete non-factor and the entire 'Expected Utility' side of things actually agrees with the Stragetic Dominance if you give both options and equal chance.

@knightmer9670

10 ай бұрын

@@ericlaska4748 omniscient means they know all there is a 0% chance they dont know

*Chooses only box A* Genie: Wait, that's illegal

@sandracarias1625

4 жыл бұрын

SO DID I

@buggaboo2707

4 жыл бұрын

I chose box A as well.... box A is like 20% full... there's no way a million candies fit in Box B, therefor it must be empty !!!!

@k1kon145

4 жыл бұрын

The Purity of Chaos 420 likes m8

@NStripleseven

4 жыл бұрын

...why wouldn't you also take box B? You get your 1,000 plus potentially more.

@lanceneidhardt4283

4 жыл бұрын

@@NStripleseven well there's a 90% chance he predicts that you choose both and puts 0$ so if you're gonna choose both, you might as well just pick only box B to increase your chances of the million

Kevin: Will you choose box B or both boxes? Me: Both Kevin: Now let me introduce the genie Me: well fu too then

@Tyranitar.

2 жыл бұрын

"What the f**k? Where in the world did this guy come from?" _-everyone_

@dielaughing73

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this whole thing is nonsense

@nickpereira4047

8 ай бұрын

I agree. Total and utter nonsense.

it's kind of a flawed question though, right? It really depends on how smart the genie is, if he is omniscient then choosing the second box is always the best choice.

@timayovyk2036

2 жыл бұрын

Ye the question provides two possible problems each with a solution, their isn’t two ways of solving the problem it’s just that their are two possible problems provided

@thequantaleaper

2 жыл бұрын

@@timayovyk2036 What two problems are you talking about? The problem is which box to choose, and this is 100% determinant on the omniscence of the genie.

@timayovyk2036

2 жыл бұрын

@@thequantaleaper two problems, one where the genie exists and one where he doesn't. also if the genie's omniscence is variable then the problem is multivariable and thus obviously cannot be answered with a single answer.

@brandonbombplays9304

2 жыл бұрын

Well no because the choice is already there. What the genie predicted doesn’t matter, he already predicted it, your choice isn’t going to change his prediction. They are completely unrelated events, like how being accurate at betting on football doesn’t affect how well the sports team you betted for does.

@rickvanleeuwen4775

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonbombplays9304 But that isn't really the case, right? I get the point, and in the normal world without genies that would be correct, however as the genie has "improved" odds of predicting the correct outcome, your decision is part of the genies prediction.

vsauce: or is it? vsauce 2: WRONG

@QuicksolutionsOnline

4 жыл бұрын

Vsauce 3: I dOnT KnOW

@Ghost-hs6qq

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@philligzy4616

4 жыл бұрын

@@QuicksolutionsOnline lolest

@Xavier_Ns

3 жыл бұрын

Dana nice

@svetlanavoitushenko6018

3 жыл бұрын

You're tottaly right And this is why I love vsauce 2

Kevin the type of guy to actually count out 1000 candies.

@okas425

5 жыл бұрын

Yonatan Moritz he probably did

@rileyok892

5 жыл бұрын

Or mr beast

@fgvhdhjwafunch5683

5 жыл бұрын

Yonatan Moritz Z

@Majestic469

5 жыл бұрын

This comment goes on a Trick2g video

@abduskazi

5 жыл бұрын

Better than watching a pot boil

The real question is, why would I really need 1,000,000 candies.

@notdr.tomato722

3 жыл бұрын

Thats a heart attack waiting to happen

@knihovnik2

2 жыл бұрын

1,000,000 dollars though...

@haydenphillips5956

Жыл бұрын

in order to obtain type two diabetes

@Walmart_Wallie

Жыл бұрын

Halloween?

@ImaErick

Жыл бұрын

obtaining cavities in every tooth

The issue with strategic dominance in this scenario is that it has a fixed view of time, whereas in this situation, your choice has some effect on what is in the mystery box despite the contents already being decided.

@Owen_loves_Butters

2 жыл бұрын

Candy doesn't magically appear or disappear. The genie may be able to predict, but he’s already made the prediction and that can’t change.

@timayovyk2036

2 жыл бұрын

No the issue is with the question, because of the fact that it doesn’t confirm which scenario is taking place; the genie is predicting/ the genie is not predicting. Because if this some people choose one scenario to go by and others choose the other, both strategies are valid because there are two potential problems, not two ways of solving them

@brandonbombplays9304

2 жыл бұрын

@@timayovyk2036 the genie is predicting, it’s just the that he already predicted, your choice doesn’t matter. If it did, that would be like saying a coin landed on heads because an hour earlier you predicted it would. They’re just 2 completely unrelated events, like how betting on a football game doesn’t actually affect the players.

@chrisfifield-smith

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonbombplays9304 that makes the 90% chance of the genie getting it right meaningless. Either he has a 90% chance of getting it right or not. The puzzle states he has, so we have to take that as truth. Therefore, if you take both boxes there's a 90% chance box B is empty. The best outcome is if the genie predicts you'll only choose box B, but then you choose both, but this only happens 10% of the time. The most reliable outcome is if the genie's prediction matches your actions, and the most profitable way for this to work is only choosing box B. By thinking you should choose both boxes, you're screwing yourself over, because the genie can predict that you will do this. Choose box B only, and there's a 90% chance you're a millionaire. The $1000 dollars is not worth changing that 90% to 10%.

@architype84

2 жыл бұрын

@@Owen_loves_Butters but the genie is magical. its not just a coin toss. uour choices in the future change the past because the genie is magical. a fixed view of time means future actions don't effect the past and thats why it fail here.

I choose box A. I'm not interested in the Genie's bullsh1t.

@stone1290

5 жыл бұрын

But... You can't...

@endrgirl6630

5 жыл бұрын

it's rewind time

@robertovargas5839

5 жыл бұрын

Yes he can

@_MookW_

5 жыл бұрын

i actually chose a because 1mil of those cant fit in box b lol

@joedeboo750

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Kevin: you will take both boxes right? Me: *knowing kevin* WRONG Kevin: RIGHT Me: right? Kevin: Wrong

@guillaumelagueyte1019

4 жыл бұрын

Always one step ahead

@VoxSpark

4 жыл бұрын

@@guillaumelagueyte1019 since you watched this recently if your confused its choose both boxes because if he put what was in it before hand no matter what your decision is you will always get what he thought its out of your control once your making the decision so choose both bc its up to him if he gives you the 1mil or not hopefully that made sense

@Xavier_Ns

3 жыл бұрын

Dvst lol

@adithyasriram7955

3 жыл бұрын

I know, that threw me off hard lmao

@blitzkrieg6076

3 жыл бұрын

@@VoxSpark But if the genie is right 90% of the time, wouldn't it be better to choose box b?

The problem is also that it’s never really made clear if the participant *knows* about the genie’s powers, or if the scenario is presents as it was in the first bit of the video. And if you know, can you outsmart the genie by thinking really hard about choosing one option and then switching suddenly? Can you mind-battle the genie? Or are you unaware of the genie the whole time?

@kingflumph5968

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard it set up before with a supercomputer instead of a genie, and the player knows that the supercomputer has performed this test many times and never yet been wrong. But the player doesn't know the odds, only that it has so far always been right. That I think removes those narrative ambiguities and gets at the actual math and logic the problem is meant to propose. Still love the narrative flair of Kevin's videos though!

@B3RyL

2 жыл бұрын

I'd choose both boxes and give the mystery box to orphaned children saying it's a gift from Grandayy, and that we'll split it 50/50. Now, Grandayy has no choice but to fill the box with candy, or he'll be making some orphans very, very sad. That way I get 501k candy, orphans get 500k candy, and Grandayy can sleep at night. Everyone wins.

@f1reflam3

2 жыл бұрын

I think you are aware of the genie, bit the genie didn't see your whole reasoning, he just saw the moment where you took either both boxes or box B

@macaronitony93

Жыл бұрын

"mind-battle the genie" is the name of my new album

It always comes down to the accuracy of the prediction, if we know how often he is right we can do the math and figure out the best choice (box b method). If we dont know how often he is right we might as well pick both of them, since he could always be wrong. The aperant contradiction lies in the question that omited this crucial information to solve the problem. Therefore both explanations are correct given their assumptions and there is no contradiction

@sadpotato714

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Solution 1 assumes near omniscience, which just isn't realistic. Solution 2 is more grounded in reality so I'd choose that every time.

@davbah

3 жыл бұрын

We can knew that the genie is right 90% of the time (like in the video) and 50% of the people still take two boxes (because the prediction is already make and they choise can not change it)

@warron24

3 жыл бұрын

Even if you assume 100% accuracy the paradox doesn't go away. It doesn't change the crucial fact that the prediction has already happened by the time you make your choice- that if the candy is in the box it's already there and can't go away.

@ceasebenjaminbeast3947

3 жыл бұрын

@@warron24 That's a contradiction. If the genie can predict with 100% certainty then your choice by definition is locked with his prediction because his prediction cannot be incorrect. If he predicted you'd choose only box B but then you choose both boxes then his prediction wasn't 100% accurate was it?

@classydoctor5864

3 жыл бұрын

@@ceasebenjaminbeast3947 I commented this as well, but I think this is why the paradox here is more about how omniscience is contradictory to our perception of reality and logic rather than anything to do with mathematics.

11:00 Genie's a freakin' liar, he put 18 candies inside the mystery box

@gurusachdev2560

5 жыл бұрын

*19

@oldassaccount9157

5 жыл бұрын

Guru Sachdev it’s 18

@ixcapncrunchxi492

5 жыл бұрын

@@gurusachdev2560 18

@liquiddasher1860

5 жыл бұрын

Twen1 0ne

@moodle5645

5 жыл бұрын

@TunTun ;)

The problem is that original question contains no information about a genie.

@SpydersByte

5 жыл бұрын

right? I've seen Vsauce2 do this multiple times with paradoxes, he'll ask some question that you think is ridiculously easy to answer and then he claims it's not that easy because of this new information you had no clue about. It entirely changes the situation and the way anyone would choose.

@RubenMartinezCabello

5 жыл бұрын

He's the secret son of Jessica Fletcher.

@hoid7

5 жыл бұрын

@@SpydersByte do you want 100 dollars or not? You want it? LOL WRONG! Because if you choose not to take the 100$ you'll get this Lamborghini here in my garage up in the Hollywood Hills.

@AlexOku_

5 жыл бұрын

@@SpydersByte I also don't quite understand how this is a paradox. Who actually decides that the genie is right 90% of the time? This problem only works out this way because of this value. Without a genie there would be no paradox, and as genies generally don't seem to be existing, or at least no one has proven they have, this isn't an actual problem.

@irrelevant_noob

5 жыл бұрын

AlmostProPlays that's how the problem is stated. The predicting player is *_supposed to_* be able to predict the future... Although, how much confidence you have in their ability is a different matter altogether. :-)

I’m mad there wasn’t a poll

It's a perfectly all-knowing genie at first, right? So the whole "but he's already put the candy in or he hasn't" premise doesn't hold. It breaks causality, therefore is no longer a game between the genie and me, but just a choice for me.

@Zetact_

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the perspective is a bit screwy. It's a game where the genie is able to know your expected move with some degree of certainty and is able to make a unilateral shift before you make your move. Genie's only win condition seems to be making a correct prediction. Like if you look at it from a prisoner's dilemma scenario, the genie will never make a shift to betray if he has predicted you will cooperate since his rewards are different. But if he predicts that you will betray (take both boxes) then he will make a unilateral shift to betray. The "take both" argument supposes that the genie has to make a move and then you make a move when the framing is presented as essentially being the genie moves after you and knows your move.

@zewzit

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zetact_ ye I agree too... the whole point seems to be that the genie can guess your rational, so by using the rational of taking both boxes, you are just "convincing yourself" of something taht is already predetermined. It's like those movie situations where by trying to avoid your destiny, that's what makes it happen. You say "I'll take both because he may have already filled them or not, so I get 1000 or 1001000,", but that is exactly what the genie has already predicted, so you always get 1000 if you choose both boxes... and you always get 1000000 if you choose just box B, because he already said so aswell... So it's always best to choose just B. This is assuming ofc that the genie is always 100% certain, which is the part that (in my opinion) makes this even worth debate. If the genie only has a "chance" of guessing, then it's no longer a "paradox" or mind game.. you just make the calculations and see what is the best chance.

Take only box A. Confuse and disturb the Basilisk.

@featheredseclude6512

5 жыл бұрын

Literally what I would have done. Why gamble over probability when certainty sits within arm's reach. The whole thing is a concept of greed. Humility would simply take the A upfront. There is no need to get greedy when you are being given something as is.

@ineonfox9245

5 жыл бұрын

@@featheredseclude6512 But if someone is giving you more - why won't you take? I know if it's just your friend - you won't take. But if it's a billionaire stranger?

@spicytaco2400

5 жыл бұрын

why would I want to be on team B or team AB when I can be on the A-Team

@ooberific6921

5 жыл бұрын

@@featheredseclude6512 why lol. You're guaranteed 1,000 whether you choose a, or ab. One just gives you a chance of 1,000,000 more

@waffles6280

5 жыл бұрын

@@ooberific6921 but what about taxes.

The true problem: the candy may have been in a box for a week or more

@duxtorm

5 жыл бұрын

Y'all... candy don't exactly... go bad

@ling_a_bling

5 жыл бұрын

The true problem for me: I don't even like candy, though I would give it to my friends...

@ferna182

5 жыл бұрын

exactly. so if the box is full of ants by that point, that's a dead giveaway that there's candy in the mystery box. Also, it's full of ants so... there's that.

@Ardorstorm

5 жыл бұрын

@@ferna182 1,000 candies and 1M ants, or 1M ants?

@cobalius

5 жыл бұрын

I'm fine with that. It's candies! And i really want them.

I think the expected value equation can be used to prove either case. If the genie is right most of the time, it is better to take just box B. If the genie is wrong most of the time, it is better to pick both. So I don't think this is so much an unanswerable question as it is a question that does not provide enough information to come to a provably better solution.

Take only Box B and hope it has no candy in it. (if you don't like jelly beans)

@Owen_loves_Butters

3 жыл бұрын

Sell the jelly beans

@cameronjohnson5256

3 жыл бұрын

The candies are skittles.

@ApiolJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Inverse Newcomb hahaha!

I choose only box A. There is clearly not enough room for 1,000,000 candy in box B!

@Grey_Warden_Invasion

5 жыл бұрын

Very, very small candy. Basically just sugar crystals.

@that_random_dude

5 жыл бұрын

@@Grey_Warden_Invasion But then it's just a powder. Not worth it! :D

@Mo__Ga

5 жыл бұрын

Thought the same

@tron7_

5 жыл бұрын

@@that_random_dude pixy stix

@blackandwhite1509

5 жыл бұрын

eating 1m candies is equal to 1m cocaine lol

"B only" seems based on trusting the genie can make an accurate prediction while "both" seems based on trusting the genie can't actually predict the future.

@edwardbutler9840

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Mitchell It’s stated in the video that the genie would have a 90% success rate so I think it’s obvious that B is a better choice.

@RobertBrown-ok2wv

5 жыл бұрын

Yup, plus the other problem is we don't know how the genie would reward your choice regardless of how accurate the prediction is.

@Duck-rq6dq

5 жыл бұрын

The problem with this is that money's already in the box, it doesn't appear in it depending on what you chose, which makes it hard to not just pick 2, because hey, if there was 1,000,000 in there you'd get it anyways, no matter what option you pick. And this is why that's paradox

@just2607

5 жыл бұрын

@@edwardbutler9840 It is only stated as a part of an argument, not a part of the actual paradox. If we knew the chance of the genie being correct in their prediction, there would be no paradox.

@stervenmealey1097

5 жыл бұрын

@@edwardbutler9840 you are wrong, he was just giving an example did you watch the video?

I saw this problem elsewhere and a good portion of my grade in school was debating this question. I am on team both boxes: because if box b was glass, you would take it either way; and it doesn’t matter if it is opaque because of this.

It always comes down to the accuracy of the prediction, if we know how often he is right we can do the math and figure out the best choice (box b method). If we dont know how often he is right we might as well pick both of them, since he could always be wrong. The aperant contradiction lies in the question that omited this crucial information to solve the problem. Therefore both explanations are correct given their assumptions and there is no actual contradiction.

@timayovyk2036

2 жыл бұрын

The contradiction doesn’t exist but it seems like it does because the question provides two possible problems and you have to solve them both with one answer which isn’t possible thus seeming like a contradiction

Host: "For tonight's show, we have two boxes, one contains $1000, and the other one containing either nothing or $1.000.000! Now, guest, would you like the second box or both of them? " Guest/Me: "Hold on a sec, I need something to write on. Also, how psychic are you? Like, what percent exactly?"

@sykomantis

5 жыл бұрын

That's a completely different scenario though because in yours we don't know the mechanism behind what determines whether the second box is filled or not. Of course you would 2 box in yours, you lack enough information to do otherwise. But in the video's scenario, not only do we know how the second box gets filled, the criteria depends on a prediction of our own future actions, which means there are better ways of maximizing our expected value than just relying on random chance. Furthermore, your scenario doesn't preclude playing iteratively, which means if we studied it and played long enough we might be able to figure out what determines when the second box is filled and adjust our strategy accordingly.

@krispz6043

5 жыл бұрын

Возьму две коробки 100% выиграю 1000$ и возможно ещё немного ( или много). Одинаковый процент удачи/неудачи

@krispz6043

5 жыл бұрын

@Miron Samoilov ... Я выберу коробку А. Так как зная свою удачу я проиграю))))

@mcsponge3899

5 жыл бұрын

sykomantis He’s talking based on the video, and what they discussed. The mechanism in there, is what he is talking about. He doesn’t have to specify it since we viewed 12 minutes of full video to get to this point. Anyway, you really didn’t have to make that reply because it was just a joke, and kind of mocking the percentage that came out of NOwHERE

@krispz6043

5 жыл бұрын

@Miron Samoilov хотя нет, 1000$ я могу заработать, а вот 1 000 000$ мне бы помогли)) я выберу коробку B

How can we make the right choice when you keep adding new conditions

@wbjeg

5 жыл бұрын

terms and conditions

@ethanmorrobel7670

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Houser WORD DUDE

@cybersans8198

5 жыл бұрын

No, you can make your choice based on either his or custom odds for the exact riddle conditions you want to solve.

@HisWattson

5 жыл бұрын

I was literally just complaining about this lol

@danielmesacasellas

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly thank you

it depends totally on wether the genies guess is unchangably accurate or not, if so then you essentially get to decide what litteral reality is in terms of what is inside the box, which is not determined until you open the box since there is no way it could be if the genie will always guess right no matter what

My question is how does this genie know what my choice is before I make it? I like the math behind the expected utility but that’s assuming that the genie is right 90 percent of the time. How do we know that’s true?

@Cowtymsmiesznego

2 жыл бұрын

There are two pretty big assumptions: - your choice doesn't influence what's in the mystery box - the genie is correct with 90% probability, regardless of what you choose Those two assumptions are, pretty clearly, contradictory. They can't both be true at the same time. If the first assumption is correct, it's better to choose both boxes. If the second is correct, it's better to chose the mystery box. In both cases you can solve the problem with EV and you'll get the correct answer. In the first case, you can also use strategic dominance.

Me: I studied for this test I’ll be fine. **opens test**

@tiffanyrosado9726

5 жыл бұрын

To be continued......

@themistery8905

5 жыл бұрын

0 questions or 1000000 questions

@coolhunterakacoolest7899

5 жыл бұрын

TheMistery888 X that is a harder decision XD

@Electru522

5 жыл бұрын

Well, technically, if this question comes up on a test, you can't be wrong.......or right..........but, also not wrong.

5:03 who else thought he was going to say popcorn

@LPSWeirdCow13

5 жыл бұрын

I actually did

@wolftreetruck9196

5 жыл бұрын

So did I, I don't like candy or popcorn :(

@papichulo9894

5 жыл бұрын

Dyara Baram did u tell a feminist on instagram to stfu because ur profile picture looks familiar lmaoo💀💀

@slimebuck

5 жыл бұрын

@@papichulo9894 what are you talking about? Your racist, you think all black profile pics look the same too? what about Chinese ones? :P

@ballistalol

5 жыл бұрын

La VoS es DeuS bro wtf are YOU saying? its a joke bc all these virgins use it like u

I think the real solution to this is realizing that when you don't specificy how the predictions work; the math will get confused

I'll just take the Genie.

The only reason there is a question of which to take is because the presenter keeps changing the rule for how the contents of the mystery box are determined. At first, it is implied to just be independent of the player. Then it is change to be a genie that bases the contents off of what he believes the player will pick, which is no longer truly independent. But when the viewer gets pushed towards the idea that it is best to take only the mystery box, the presenter starts pushing that the mystery box was determined long ago. Then out of nowhere the presenter introduces the idea that the genie is only right 90% of the time. If you keep changing the rules to suit your purpose, you can make any problem into "a problem you'll never solve".

@ixuz07

5 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree, don't change the rules multiple times during the problem.

@Utrilus

5 жыл бұрын

Most all paradoxes are flawed arguments in the first place. That's why the're paradoxes. They have someone cheating, mistaken assumptions or just based on bad logic.

@noviian3092

5 жыл бұрын

phew I thought I was the only one upset about this

@user-dt8mf8nt2v

5 жыл бұрын

I definitely think this video wasn't the best at presenting the problem, but I couldn't agree less with what you're saying. The viewer isn't "pushed towards" two ideas, that's just the guy showing the possible solutions and explaining them. The 90% thing is just an example of a high probability, showing how the reasoning can go when you think box B is the answer. So this isn't "a problem you'll never solve" because of the way it's presented in the video, it is said it is one because there are two perfectly valid solutions for it.

@Utrilus

5 жыл бұрын

​@@user-dt8mf8nt2v Uuuh. There are not 2 perfectly valid solutions to thee problem. The problem makes 2 different assumptions and start there. If you used expected utility for both of those different assumptions, they'd both be correct. Expected utility would output the same answer as the dominance, cause these 2 problems have different starting assumptions. One would be that 9 out of 10 times the genie is right and the other is it's compleately random. Sooo... They're independently right. The utility and dominion are distractions, red herrings, a trap to make you not notice what's really going on.

This doesn't seem like a paradox to me, it's more like a problem without enough information. It's really just guessing how well can the genie predict your anwser.

@Sooch1

5 жыл бұрын

"Paradox" is actually a fairly loose term. When most people think of a paradox they are actually only thinking about one type of paradox (something seemingly illogical), but paradox can also be something that comes to a conclusion that is not yet understood. Something like being able to discover "limits" in math without first inventing the calculus that forms our understanding of then. Personally I think these sorts of things should have their own name, or at least always be called by their full names ____ paradox as opposed to a ____ paradox. (Sorry I forgot the actual names)

@PanoWorks

5 жыл бұрын

That's the problem I have with this as presented. It doesn't initially explain that there box B comes with odds of being filled or empty. It doesn't matter if the genie filled it years ago or tries to read your mind on the spot and decides to fill it or not based on your choice and having the exact same odds of reading your mind correctly; the genie is a distraction. Once odds come into play, it becomes a much simpler proposition: at what odds of box B being filled is it 'better' to take both boxes? We can then still argue about human nature and whether or not we follow what the math would tell us, but that's another topic entirely. Instead the problem as presented seems to pit two different scenarios against each other: one in which there's a 50/50 chance of it being full vs empty, and one in which there's a genie with a much better than 50% chance at predicting what you choose. Not the same scenario at all. The actual article goes even further by suggesting that the genie knows that you know that he can predict "and so on", which even further complicates things by saying "I would pick A, but the genie knows I would pick A, so I should pick B, but the genie knows that I know and would know that I would thus pick B, so I should pick A", etc. All in all, I don't think this was presented very well, or very clearly.

@kosherkingofisrael6381

5 жыл бұрын

But are we sure he is predicting OUR answer? for all we know he could be having the same dilemma. If anything its completely random its filled because we don't know what counts as a variable to the genie.

@imakeadifference2011

5 жыл бұрын

Yea, lame af

@aryanjoshi3342

5 жыл бұрын

​@@kosherkingofisrael6381 the genie is a god

I’m seeing this problem as having three different results: loss(choosing box B when it’s empty), small win(choosing both and box B is empty), big win(choosing both and box B has a million dollars). Choosing only box B is the only way to actually lose, so to me it makes sense to choose both as you’re guaranteed a win(even if it might be small, at least you’re not losing).

@sidneydamsma

Жыл бұрын

4th one is choosing box B and B contains 1 million

that last rhyme at the end made me chuckle!

I'm on team "how accurate does the genie have to be to make the expected value of both choices equal?!" *leaves to go do the math*

@woodsytheowlscharedcorpse4761

4 жыл бұрын

BoredPyro Did you ever figure it out?

@ayushjuvekar

4 жыл бұрын

@@woodsytheowlscharedcorpse4761 It would be 50.05% for both amount to be equal.

@Lighter_Bird

4 жыл бұрын

What? I got 50.3%

@matiasherrneder4254

4 жыл бұрын

Got 50.05% too

@small_SHOT

4 жыл бұрын

I got a number

Both. Choosing only box B has a possible outcome of $0. Taking both has a minimum outcome of $1000. I'm not gonna deal with a Genie for free.

@akrobatus3646

5 жыл бұрын

No? If you choose box b you’ll get the 1mil no matter what. I think you misunderstood this...

@akrobatus3646

5 жыл бұрын

@Brayden Dean thats only if it guesses wrong, and in such a game, 0.1% is not worth it so theres not point going with a if you actually had the choice. i see why people pick a though, it's just either 1000$ + 1000000$ every 10th or 0$ + 1000000 every 9/10th.

@steelmonarch9212

5 жыл бұрын

@@akrobatus3646 that's a theory cuz u don't know anything about *genie*

@dazedheart9006

4 жыл бұрын

Buzz Buzz you’re a Bot.

@caden_t_k1384

4 жыл бұрын

Akrobatus yea and if you get both you still get all the skittles

Nice little brain teaser there ! Enjoyed this video, thank you Kevin !!!

You were right in that one video the more you think about something the more it gets harder to choose

THE GENIE IS FOOLING US!! that mystery box cant physically contain a million skittles...

@RazorM97

5 жыл бұрын

but it can contain more candies indeed because we don't know

@malikmister

5 жыл бұрын

It might be Nerds. He didn't say it was the same candy as the clear box.

@jonnyroxx7172

5 жыл бұрын

Let’s see if my logic is correct: A) I don’t understand the problem. Which means: B) We’ve obviously been lied to. Which means: C) The earth is Flat! (How’m I doing?)

@malikmister

5 жыл бұрын

@@jonnyroxx7172 Nice. I'm totally stealing that.

@craiz3232

5 жыл бұрын

I just had the same Idea. Time to delete my comment :(

Seeing him about to eat the candy but then not is the most aggrivating thing.

@iLoveTurtlesHaha

5 жыл бұрын

For me, it was putting it back after touching it. XD

@josiahpettway5134

5 жыл бұрын

@@iLoveTurtlesHaha That gets me too.

@MrFlarespeed

5 жыл бұрын

@@iLoveTurtlesHaha thats what got me, they'd be all sticky and gross. Never put skittles back after touching em, especially if they stick to your hands.

Would've liked to see the calculation for generalized p that the geenie is right an 1 - p he is wrong. Could be interesting to see if there is a turnig point, where utility says both boxes as well, if p fits a certain condition.

The paradox stems from a temporal self reference paradox which invalidates strategic dominance. The genie's foresight is impossible, but if taken as a given, it makes picking just B obviously correct

"This question is actually a lot less simple than it seems... because here are completely game-changing additional parameters I didn't mention before." Eye roll.

@gknucklez

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. also one premise ist basically "We have a magical Genie that can predict your choice" and the only argument for "Both Boxes" is "What if the premise is false?". Not a solid paradox in my opinion

@natheniel

5 жыл бұрын

absofuckinglutely

@rupen42

5 жыл бұрын

@@gknucklez yeah, in the normal statement of the paradox, the genie figure is NOT omniscient and omnipotent, that makes it a different problem entirely. It's usually presented as a very good fortune teller or machine that has had a lot of success predicting people in the past, so you have reason to believe that it's good at predictions, but not infallible.

@phlimy

5 жыл бұрын

@@gknucklez Exactly, you took the words from my mouth(or fingers?)... Dominance principle makes no sense in this case because it completely ignores the premise

@vladslav89

5 жыл бұрын

We has no magic in real world, so no paradox. Like with time travel paradox - trere is no time traveling in real world.

Did half the people watching this really think the best valued answer would be to choose just the mystery box instead of both before he brought the genie into it?

@hauler-hx6gw

5 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he was basically alluding to the paradox

@polygondwanaland8390

5 жыл бұрын

1% of viewers know Rokko's Basilisk and it's refutations

@ElGreenGhost

5 жыл бұрын

If the genie is just a metaphor for peoples’ rationalization , I don’t see why people would choose only the mystery box lmao. Choose both every damn time.

@polygondwanaland8390

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElGreenGhost If the Genie has true precognition, he can actually see the future, AND the Genie plays by his own rules, then always take Box B. If the Genie is not infallible, attempt to calculate how often he's correct, and apply the expected value math. If you think the Genie is fucking with you, take only box A to fuck with the genie.

@john_john_john

5 жыл бұрын

Without the genie, that is without an entity that changes the outcome of a box based on your intention, choosing both is obviously the only right answer. Unless you don't want the clutter of having two boxes.

The interesting part of this experiment is that... Really, the best option for each individual is their gut instinct. These predictive factors have to be based on who we are as people for them to be remotely accurate... So someone like me, who would take both as a loss aversion strategy, should double down on that decision because the prediction would LIKELY be accurate and screw me over for deviating. Same is true if you're the gambling type: odds are that you're walking away with a million, with a 10% chance to just get unlucky. Of course if you're the type to get discouraged and take the safe bet of guaranteed 1000 dollars, then the genie would have likely bet on you taking both anyways.

The genie always knew which box you would choose.

Me : Has lots of work to do. Also me : Let's watch a problem I can never solve.

@Roozyj

3 жыл бұрын

I'm literally at my internship rn, staring at an article I'm supposed to read and listening to Kevin xD

Now there are two problems I'll never solve. This and getting Karen to let me see the kids again.

@shmackbob

5 жыл бұрын

Dad? I thought you went to the store...

@tetrisguy2920

5 жыл бұрын

hey dad why does the milk you brought in taste bad? i found it near moms bed spilled in the floor.

@shmackbob

5 жыл бұрын

Wait do does the daughter/son say everything, or does the dad reply? Your joke is confusing, please learn what punctuation is.

@99bits46

5 жыл бұрын

Dad you solved half of the problem by going MGTOW

@Dapstart

5 жыл бұрын

r/fuckyoukaren

Isn't the expected value only really applicable as a strategy to games you can repeat? As such, as long as the genie makes his prediction BEFORE the game begins, it is in your best interest to pick both boxes UNLESS you are allowed to play again, at which point the genie will likely make his second prediction after the first game and choosing box B becomes the best choice.

One thing I think is interesting is that the expected value calculation is specifically calculated before the boxes are filled. The higher expected value is not in taking only Box B, but in *intending* to only take Box B, such that you're likely predicted to do so. When you get to the actual event of deciding, the expected value is clear; you get X, or 1000 + X, where X is 1,000,000z, for some probability z of Box B having a million. It falls in line with the dominance strategy. The crux of the matter is that, obviously, whatever you do in the present can't affect something that happened in the past. But I'd only take Box B. Because while what occurs in the present can't change the past, I think it's wrong to conclude that there's no causal relationship. There is one, there's a shared cause. What you decide to do in the future isn't an instantaneous choice. It's a culmination of your thought about the scenario, the strategy you adopted, the desires you've had, all of your thinking and existing since becoming aware of the scenario, even more broadly just a consequence of you being you and then eventually finding yourself in that scenario. If the genie or AI or what have you predicts your actions by acquainting itself with you, your personality and thoughts, in some magical way, and then predicts your future decision through simulation... Well then, whatever intention you have will affect the outcome. But whatever intention you have will also affect your decision; that's, y'know, how intentions work. What we were intending to do affects what we actually do, in the event. Of course, it is possible to act differently than how you previously intended. Intentions have an influence, but they aren't the only influence. So the question becomes, do you think you can honestly intend to take only box B, and then after a point change your mind, in a way where this change of mind isn't predictable? I don't think I could. I think my decisions are culminations of longer processes which are (hypothetically) predictable, and if I planned to change my intentions that would obviously contradict that I had those intentions. So, I'd honestly intend to take only Box B. And in the event, I think I'd take only Box B, because that's what I'd do if I was really intending it, not just thinking I'd intend it. So, even though obviously the contents of the boxes are already set by the time I actually take one or both, and I'd be better off taking both, I've already committed to my decision process to take one. If I take both, it means I didn't actually have a decision process to take both to begin with. With that said, with a 90% accuracy rate I might take the certain $1,000 and chance for a failed prediction with $1,001,000, rather than a 90% chance for $1,000,000 but one in ten chance I get nothing, but that's like, a risk aversion thing. Which is also cool but not so much something to be philosophically pretentious about in a comments section.

Answer: The mystery box is too small to have 1 000 000 candies so it has 0

@ludvig295

4 жыл бұрын

Very small candy...?

@ludvig295

4 жыл бұрын

And there is space for 1.000.000$

@timothyneiswander3151

3 жыл бұрын

The box is bigger on the inside. Haven't you ever watched Doctor Who?

@jijinxx

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh you could just lift it and find out

@timothyneiswander3151

3 жыл бұрын

@@jijinxx If you did that then everything in the universe would wink out of existence except for the mystery box.

Me: I am choosing box B Genie: I knew you say that- Me: So I'll take both Genie, whispering: what now

@SmashedHatProject

5 жыл бұрын

box B actually has 1 million bees in it

@elysian_b.k826

5 жыл бұрын

Giorno Giovanna ME THO! ID DO THAT

@dance1415

5 жыл бұрын

I would shake a mystery box : )

@thelonelylump4015

5 жыл бұрын

Danče You aren’t allowed to touch it

@funny5081

2 жыл бұрын

Actually he would known that you would've picked both boxes in the end so yeah kinda useless.

As the person sitting in front of the boxes ready to make my choice am I aware that a robot/genie/whatever has made a prediction with 90% accuracy of my choice?

The real issue here is with the genie. The paradox arises from the issues with multiple agents. It’s somewhat related to the prisoner’s dilemma

Choose only Box A and the genie will be so impressed he'll just give you the million.

@ascelot

5 жыл бұрын

If box A contains 1,000 candie and uses up what looks like 1/5th or a qauter of the volume, then the mystery box will never be able to contain the 1million candy. So box A is a logical choice to make.

@staberas

5 жыл бұрын

i actually choose box A since the question was : A or B , not A or B or BOTH if taking both is an option, i would take it just because the possibility of maximum profit is possible

@ineonfox9245

5 жыл бұрын

@@staberas Well, the question was BOTH or only B

@waffles6280

5 жыл бұрын

@@ineonfox9245 but A is still an option

@ineonfox9245

5 жыл бұрын

@@waffles6280 But the problem doesn't give you that choice. Maybe in real situation it could be a choice but there is no point to choose box A if you can choose both

I'm taking both boxes literally every time

@Chris_5318

5 жыл бұрын

Then you'll average 101 000 instead of 900 000, per go.

@Bobstew68

5 жыл бұрын

Sssh, don't let the genie hear you. The trick is to announce you'll take only B, for sure, and then change it up and go for both at the last second.

@Chris_5318

5 жыл бұрын

@@Bobstew68 You'd really take a huge risk of losing 1 000 000 to gain an extra 1 000. That isn't sane. What makes you think the genie would be tricked by such an obvious ploy?

@jamiegormley5922

5 жыл бұрын

@@Chris_5318 dude. There just isn't enough info. Idk what the genie knows or his likelihood of guessing correctly OR when he fills it. So tbh I'm taking both because if this is our universe I don't believe in this whole mind reading thing so it makes sense to me to take both.

@madcio

5 жыл бұрын

@@jamiegormley5922 I find it strange you accept only certain parts of proposed riddle and ignore other. And you WERE informed about likelyhood of genie guessing correctly.

Both of them just gives you ✨cavities✨.

You know the video is good when Kevin says he doesn't know the answer to something

Plot twist, you cant fit 1 million candies in box B

@blakemontgomery6599

5 жыл бұрын

Ben Bohl depends on the type of candy

@B3NNi420

5 жыл бұрын

@@blakemontgomery6599 sprinkles maybe?

@lukatoplak3363

5 жыл бұрын

He was joking lol

@sdasda7777

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought

@greypoint000

5 жыл бұрын

do sprinkles count as candy? If I were to hand you a sprinkle, could I say that I gave you candy?

4:41 "What exactly is going on here?" Schroedinger's candy... no, wait.

@jappanrana2413

4 жыл бұрын

Was literally looking for comment like this 😹

@saifuusuri

4 жыл бұрын

There's no candy in this box! There's just a dead cat!

@Pupqet

4 жыл бұрын

@@saifuusuri No! That cat is alive too

@saifuusuri

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pupqet You're right!

@theepicweeaboo8738

3 жыл бұрын

PositivePlastic9 it’s also dead

But if the genie can see the future there is time travel involved so cause cause comes before effect, which means choosing box B usually *makes* it full

I'm just curious what the genie statue is actually a statue of (the head looks like a papercraft face)

So you ask a question first and then add extra rules after everyone answered?

@frederikjnsson

5 жыл бұрын

Kentro xd

@grieferjones2237

5 жыл бұрын

yeah he should've brought the grandayy genie in earlier

@andlukas

5 жыл бұрын

he's doing this in every video, wtf

@maximummoisture2311

5 жыл бұрын

It’s like school but you chose to come

@spaghettiisdeadi7843

5 жыл бұрын

That literally every VSauce video ever.

1,000,000 candies has 1,000 x the volume of 1,000 candies. This won't fit in the mystery box. Therefore the genie is lying. Problem solved

@Juuhimuuhi

5 жыл бұрын

damn you are good

@thenasadude6878

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody talked about all the candies being the same size or type. They might be 1 million very small candies

@Thougar

5 жыл бұрын

I would totally take 1,000,000 nerds over 1,000 skittles

@PsychoDiesel48

5 жыл бұрын

*Applause*

@lolmanrlly3496

5 жыл бұрын

Same

It doesn't matter what the odds favor over multiple picks; I only get to pick once, so I take the choice that provides a certain positive outcome -- both boxes.

It all comes down to how good the genie’s predictions are. If he’s truly all-knowing, then of course you only want the one.

I took only Box B and it contained Schrödinger's cat.

@ZachariahMBaird

5 жыл бұрын

But was it alive or dead?

@SZ-rz8hj

5 жыл бұрын

Zachariah M. Baird both

@fmaz1952

5 жыл бұрын

Zombie cat

@tron7_

5 жыл бұрын

send pic

@gigawertz2582

5 жыл бұрын

it was a pickle

But who decided the genie has a 90% chance of being right? That's the thing that's skewing the results

@ltuyettrinh2

5 жыл бұрын

And since I’m a realist I am also like “wait what there is a genie predicting the results! I was never told about this cause if there is no genie that chooses the boxes value based on his prediction of my choice then why then would I only take box B if there was no genie in the first place?

@krisdoesart9643

4 жыл бұрын

Ocean Ho I was confused about that at first, since he didn't give us all of the rules before asking us to make the choice. I'm assuming everyone watching chose both boxes before getting the rest of the info

@alwinwinter1645

4 жыл бұрын

^

@gallantarmor8471

4 жыл бұрын

If the genie is right more than 50.05% of the time the math works out the same that choosing just B is better.

@drunky5247

4 жыл бұрын

@@gallantarmor8471 the paradox is the fact that both situations are equally right, not on that percentage of guessing

"one half of you is certain the obvious answer is to take both boxes" "The other half just as sure to take just the mystery box" ... No. I'm sure to not be sure what to take at all xDD

I am on the team Expected Utility. I feel like the only reason people choose Strategic Dominance is that they are too arrogant to believe their actions can be predicted with near-perfect accuracy.

@badunladun4203

4 ай бұрын

im choosing the "rolls dice to determine choice" strategy

This problem is flawed. Normally without the genie, picking box a and box b is the clear logical answer. However, factoring in that the genie has already predicted what you will choose *with near perfect accuracy*, taking only box b is the correct choice. The two answers that "contradict" each other are really just answering two different questions.

@BuGGyBoBerl

5 жыл бұрын

ye i really dont get the point. im too lazy to watch the whole video but when he suddenly come up genie i lost it. whats the point of it

@ExplosiveBrohoof

5 жыл бұрын

How is near perfect accuracy a logical contradiction? Is it really inconceivable that genie cannot predict your choice?

@NinjadoAlaska

5 жыл бұрын

@@ExplosiveBrohoof When you add the genie, only option B makes sense, but without the genie changing the option, option A + B is the best. They are different because with each method, the hypothesis is changed

@BlizzKrieger

5 жыл бұрын

you are 100% correct i will choose both boxes and hope to get small prize and large prize if i dont get large prize its okay i still got small prize. i dont want to leave with nothing.

@partycrab9494

5 жыл бұрын

that's exactly what I was thinking

Wait but who says that the genre's accurate's is 90%?

@thevi962

5 жыл бұрын

It was stated at the beginning that he predicts with near perfect accuracy. The 90% were just for the maths because you need a specific probability to calculate the outcome, it would work exactly the same with e.g. 70 or 80 or 95%.

@xdf3218

5 жыл бұрын

@@thevi962 oh

@greenlemon3028

5 жыл бұрын

Actually we can not know if the genies accuracy is 90%. In real life magic isn't proven so there are no real fortune tellers wich means taking both is the best decision wich can be made. But if I were confronted with this scenaro in real life I wouldn't take any antic sweets because they are probably as hard as stone.

@evo683

5 жыл бұрын

Green Lemon what if it was legit cash?

@greenlemon3028

5 жыл бұрын

@@evo683 If it would be actual cash? Grab everything! But watch out for temple traps.

Yo... i changed my mind like 16 times during this video. This paradox is insane

I think this just comes down to how accurate the genie is. If the problem states almost always right, then b is the way to go.

@babo213

Жыл бұрын

it's 90%

4:05 When you realize you've just brushed your teeth right before bedtime.

Hmmm, Box A or Box B? Take the genie

@GraysonGranda

5 жыл бұрын

Vinicius Dias you need consent.

@Skawooga

5 жыл бұрын

Hell ya

@user-ct1tg6cv3p

5 жыл бұрын

its box a + b or only b bruv. dont r/whoosh me pls

@defaultmate

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-ct1tg6cv3p r/itswooooshwith4os

@firefish111

5 жыл бұрын

Can the genie predict you are going to take him?

It just depends in the expected accuracy of genies predictions. If the probabilty of genie predicting correctly your choice is higher than 50.05% than you should take only Box B if it is lower than both boxes is the Vetter choice. If ir is exactly 50.05% than you can choose whatever you want ir apply dominant strategy. Actually, in the dominant strategy analisis you implicitly assume an accuracy for the genie of 50% because you consider him equally likely to guess right or wrong your choice. Thats why both strategies end up in different results.

"The boat's a boat, but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat!" -Peter Griffin

You say the guy has already decided what's in the box so it makes zero sense to me to not choose both.

@adasdasdasdasd9116

5 жыл бұрын

genie predicts with 90% accuracy. if you pick box B its a 90% chance he predicted that and put in $1000000 and 10% he put in nothing. if you pick both boxes its a 90% chance he predicted that and put in nothing and 10% chance he put in $1000000.

@skepticmoderate5790

5 жыл бұрын

@@adasdasdasdasd9116 There can't be a 90% he predicted each outcome. That's 180%.

@danielrhouck

5 жыл бұрын

You say that... but you said it in public. Now if you're actually faced with the problem, the mystery box will be empty. If you'd advocated one-boxing, he'd give you a million dollars.

@Xiler6969

5 жыл бұрын

video is misleading. The genie's 90% prediction is a different problem than the original stated problem. He's comparing apples to oranges.

@inlandnz8262

5 жыл бұрын

@@Xiler6969 thats what i was thinking if the genie is 90% right obviously you'd pick b and have a 90% chance to get the 1mil thought he might of given false information

This is only a paradox because you are making it one.

@jragicvibez5786

5 жыл бұрын

A paradox is a paradox. Or is it.

depends on the accuracy of the genie dominance always takes the genie accuracy as 50/50 utility takes the accuracy into account

The problem with the both boxes argument table at 6:00 is that it shows the probability of the genie being correct is only 50%, when it's really 90%. He will most likely predict accurately, so you are therefore better off picking just box b, since you have a 90% chance of getting a million dollars. When you pick both boxes, you have a 90% chance of getting only a thousand dollars, and a mere 10% chance of getting a million.

the question really comes down to, do you trust the "genie" to actually be clairvoyant. If you do, then pick Box B, If you don't believe the genie has the ability to know the future, then pick both. In this strictly hypothetical situation, i'll assume the Genie, being a super natural being that exists in this situation, is in fact omniscient and i would pick only Box B. If this was some guy on the street claiming to be a genie in real life, i'd pick both.

@TF23DayRespawn

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. He made up the 90% prediction rate, but if he had a 100% prediction rate, then I’d pick box B. If he had a 50% prediction rate, I’d pick both boxes. That’s literally all this problem boils down to. But seeing how this guy is a genie, I’m sure he has a 100% pick rate.

@WeedyFlash

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts, his conclusion at the end that this has no right answer is wrong. It's completely dependent on the genies ability to predict the future, define the question clearly and the answer is revealed. Disliked video for being dumb.

@BrickBuster2552

5 жыл бұрын

If the Genie can be wrong, both boxes is clearly the correct answer. The contents of the box is already set in stone. Your decision has no influence on what will be in it. So if you open both and it turns out to be none, that doesn't mean making the other choice would have been better, because your choice doesn't have any power over what's in the box anymore.

@bobbyc1120

5 жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking. The money's already in the box, so in the real world, it's always better to change both boxes. But if the genie is truly clairvoyant, then picking both boxes would retroactively cause the genie to change its prediction, so you should go with the expected utility.

@idjthesmart1363

5 жыл бұрын

Technically, wouldn’t the candies/no candy be in a state of super position until you check?

Those are not even the same problem. Why is there suddenly an omniscient genie in the problem? If there's a 50/50 chance of $0 or $1,000,000 then taking both would always be the most beneficial.

@NotFlappy12

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and when the question os asked there is no indication of what the changes might be. The change there are 1.000.000 candies in box B might be close to 0, why would you *not* take the guaranteed $1000

@seth7864

5 жыл бұрын

Yea, and he then goes on about some 90/10 chance, which is just superstition

@xeniamorph

5 жыл бұрын

There is never not an omniscient genie in the problem, Kevin just presented an incomplete version first in a failed attempt to clarify a more complicated question by giving a simplified special case of it.

@HadzirLP

5 жыл бұрын

@@chaossloth2726 So does the genie have excellent prediction of my behavior? Or the entire universe? Because if he can only predict my rationale, I will let a random event decide my pick. Some quantum behavior or something. 50% chance of me recieving a million candies

@masterxm1972

5 жыл бұрын

The words are only there to philosophize a mathematical paradox. The math still exists and is still paradoxical and still correct no matter the way you choose to solve the problem. The genie and the box are irrelevant and just serve to illustrate the point that both ways of deciding the box are valid and correct while the answer is still different. This is a mathematical paradox not a philosophical one.

"let's dissect this problem" **says while holding genie**

Is there a thunder gun in the “Mystery Box” 😂

of course it has 0 candies in it the box isnt big enough

@ShadowEclipex

5 жыл бұрын

What if it is small candies, like Nerds?

@Verrisin

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowEclipex then they are no better than the 1000

@ShadowEclipex

5 жыл бұрын

@@Verrisin Yeah. I would take a guarantee over a gamble any time.

@kylejacobs1247

5 жыл бұрын

Could probably fit 1 million sprinkles in that box.

@dougmanatt4317

5 жыл бұрын

@@kylejacobs1247 I don't like sprinkles!

The moment you said "genie" my D&D instincts kicked in and said neither box run

@krakenapples2303

4 жыл бұрын

PTSD

@notyourpetmonkey2709

4 жыл бұрын

XD

I’ve never wanted someone to eat some dang candy more... I donno why but I have a huge craving for that candy now haha

Is picking both the greedy option and just the mystery box the non-greedy option? Or is picking the mystery box seen as an attempt to beat the genie and make off, and picking both seen as concession that chasing the mystery box isn't a good idea?

The expected utility is only this high because they set the genie's accuracy to 90%. If it was 50%, both boxes would be the best choice.

@pixel3936

2 жыл бұрын

True although then he wouldn’t be omniscient at all, just guessing randomly

@brandonbombplays9304

2 жыл бұрын

Both is already the correct answer anyway. The genie already predicted what you will pick, it doesn’t actually affect what you pick. That would be like saying somebody good at predicting the outcome of football games actually affects how well the team they better for plays.

@pixel3936

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonbombplays9304 if they are omniscient it literally means they are all knowing. They have seen the future and know what you end up choosing no matter what

@ilikecarrotz9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonbombplays9304 you arent very clever are you

@johndave8017

2 жыл бұрын

@@pixel3936 yeah but they already chose which means that choosing both is literally 1000 free dollars.

What about only choosing box A? Would that leave the genie with a personal paradox?

What if I flip a coin to make my choice and the genie is right? Did the genie predict my choice or the coin flip?

the two different reasonings answer slightly different questions. one answers the question of what to do when you have the choice presented and the other is when you’re having the choice set up.

A problem I can never solve? Why Micheal never uploads

@QS1597

5 жыл бұрын

Ancient Accounts - Animated History too busy with yt red

@Joshiesgotagun

5 жыл бұрын

Because he's busy doing KZread originals. He's got his own show called Mind Field. There, I solved it.

@AncientAccounts

5 жыл бұрын

@@Joshiesgotagun but he said hes been working on a new video for like 10 months now. surely he knows not everyone can afford yt red?

@dmanparazitu

5 жыл бұрын

he is busy filming himself watching a pot boil for 1 hour

@simon-patrickjohnson

5 жыл бұрын

He uploads on dong

Genie's don't exist, always pick both. How's that for some simple math

@mrchewx02

5 жыл бұрын

Oh my science! Thank you! This is an idiotic problem. I was yelling at the video while I was watching!

@Kevalalalalalalalala

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, is there something I'm missing? Why are we assuming magic is real?

@andyrewski

5 жыл бұрын

I’m struggling to wrap my head around why you would only choose B. I know that the math is showing that the genie is right but the genie is fake. If you take box A away then box b is 50% chance to have it or not to. If you choose both boxes, you get $1000 but also get the 50 50 chance. Whether you choose box B or both, box B will always be a 50 50 chance. Think about it this way, you have the opportunity to get $1000 and get a free lottery ticket or you can just take the ticket. Your chances of winning do not go down or up if you take the free $1000 therefore the obvious answer is to take both boxes. If you disagree please reply because this is driving me nuts on why you would only pick B.

@Tony07_

5 жыл бұрын

@@andyrewski i agree

@lily-ll9jb

5 жыл бұрын

*genies

I’d only choose box A I don’t need that many candies