Man my mind is blown right now ! Didn't think someone as big as you would give his take on my video. I love your videos and really looking forward to hear your opinion.

@j3fr0uk

3 ай бұрын

Shame he gave no links to ya channel tho but this comment helps me find you haha

@Ziostorm

3 ай бұрын

Your video was great! Very interesting perspective and insights into that part of historical imagery. I think you’re really onto something here

@Ziostorm

3 ай бұрын

@@j3fr0uk channel/video is the first link in the description

@Luaeria

3 ай бұрын

Was so excited for you when I saw the thumbnail! Haha!

@ripdeyu

3 ай бұрын

Man i have to ask, how did u put two and two together? Did you have prior knowledge of this Mesopotamian god? Or pure chance?

That is actually a super compelling theory about how he wanted to burn the tree to start a new age of rebirth

@etinarcadiaego7424

3 ай бұрын

Smart man.

@COHOFSohamSengupta

3 ай бұрын

This is Zio's brother & they almost look like twins

@TFCTech

3 ай бұрын

@@COHOFSohamSengupta we are identical twins, lol

@KopruluRuler

3 ай бұрын

also well supported by elden lord ending, even more so in perfect order, at the end of which you can see the Erdtree is actually brighter and in full health again

@dynamicflashy

3 ай бұрын

“Those stripped of the grace of gold will all meet death in Messmer’s flame”. Perhaps the Erdtree was dying and thus was becoming stripped of its grace of gold, so Messmer tried to burn it. The Blessing's Boon description reads: "...Blessings once fell like tears from the Erdtree, and this incantation is but a lingering remnant of their power.". These blessing may have stopped long before the Elden Ring was shattered and may have been a motivation for Messmer to burn it and grow another.

Giant Sequoia trees have serotinous cones that require fire to allow them to open and release the seeds. Maybe the Erdtree requires fire to release its seeds, too.

@AikenFrost

3 ай бұрын

Ooooh, and the previous burning of the Eardtree is what caused the numerous smaller trees to grow around the Lands Between? I love that idea!

@eprimchad2576

3 ай бұрын

I think its the description of the golden seed that says that when the erdtree burned, it shotforth seeds into the land between, as if life itself knew that its time had come to an end. Im paraphrasing but youre definitely correct.

@sebastianestrada3697

3 ай бұрын

@@eprimchad2576Not to put a sour tone on things, but unfortunately the golden seed description mentions the shattering to be what triggered the Erdtree to release the seeds.

@briggadamandem807

3 ай бұрын

Messmir is boc

@eprimchad2576

2 ай бұрын

@@sebastianestrada3697 good catch i didnt have time to read the exact description, i think what op says is still basically on the money.

ZIO WATCH THAT VIDEO IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END PLEASE!!!! Dude theorized on the connection between Melina,Ranni,and the Gloam/Dusk Eyed Queen,and it helped me kinda connect it to the original death bird with the 2 heads,the crucible,and dragons and your "Mesmer burning tree incantation" made me realize they could be remnants of the last order before Merika

@AndrewBrownK

3 ай бұрын

the one with Melina in the thumbnail?

@hurtboychulo7371

3 ай бұрын

@@AndrewBrownK yes

@calebgraham3334

3 ай бұрын

​@hurtboychulo7371 yo thanks for the heads up! Playing that shit right after this one.

@scragglie

2 ай бұрын

thanks for mentioning this. watching that right after this. i need answers about melina, ranni, miquella, and their connection to godwyn, marika, and the gloam eyed queen.

Maybe Melina and Messmer, are twins. The naming convention, starting with an "M", it's not related to who is the father. But instead to twins. Mohg and Morgott: Twins, from Godfrey Miquella anda Malenia: Twins, from Radagon Maybe Godfrey is not the first Elden Lord, and Marika had twins in the Land of Shadow. Messmer, demigod of war and rebirth, and Melina, the Gloom Eyed Queen, demigodess of Death. Maybe the reason that she is bodyless and with no memory, is because, together with Messmer, they burnt the Erdtree once, using her as kindling. Just a theory.

@David3ishop

3 ай бұрын

Is it actually confirmed in some way that Melina is the gloam eyed queen?

@dmmax18

3 ай бұрын

@@David3ishopher unsealed eye in the Frenzy ending. Apart from that, no

@oliverfrench2847

3 ай бұрын

your stupid. ofc the naming refers to the parents not “twins” 😂😂 that’s why all of radagons and renalas kids names start with “R” they named marikas first son after her husband. that’s why his name starts with G. all of markias other children’s name start with M cuz they are Marikas kids.

@yasminadavis9986

Ай бұрын

Yeah but Ranni and Rykard aren't twins

@fyrebird5898

Ай бұрын

I was lowkey wondering whether Messmer and Melina are the same person, like Marika is Radagon and Miquella is St Trina... would explain who the smouldering butterflies belong to. And apparently both have had a chance to burn the Erdtree

Messmer's second phase will be called "Messmer, The First Cardinal" and he's going to be a red winged drake with serpents heads burning your graceless ass.

@johngddr5288

3 ай бұрын

This is where we realize, we're not supposed to win the fight... And right before we actually die, it fades to a cutscene *Miquella, Melina, and resurrected form Godwin come to your aid in a 4v1*

@sentarious1

3 ай бұрын

​@@johngddr5288that's the most shounen thing I've heard in a while. "Oh no, the final boss is too strong" followed by your past rivals stancing up together beside you before round 2

@leonardfairell3397

3 ай бұрын

My butt cheeks just got tight 😂😂😂😂

Messmer the Gardener

Very interesting to think Messmer is basically Elden Ring's version of the Nameless King. Both potentially being Gods of War Partaking in something seen as heretical to the order (befriending dragons/snakes) Being banished for it then scrubbed from history but still having a small cult like following both fight with a spear weapon (which is usually associated with Gods of War like Odin)

@stakesishigh516

3 ай бұрын

This dude flies in on a dragon during his first phase and everyone will die to his special attack called “the camera”.

@Ellemonadze

3 ай бұрын

Ah, man that is too bad. Just imagine the face of the dlc being literally reused story from previous game. Messmer is the God of war, forgotten by his parent, erased from the history, related to dragons

One thing that came to mind watching this video is the relationship between the thrones of the Empyrians in Leyndell and those of the Greek Gods on Olympus. This also links Messmer and the underworld, because like Hades, Messmer and his throne reside in a place 'below' the others.

Nice! Thanks for platforming this brilliant smaller creator. He’s been pumping out some truly brilliant content. I’ve had several of his recent videos on my repeat cycle as I brainstorm lore 😂🤣

MESsmer, MESopotamia Conspiracy confirmed

@Kmaaq

3 ай бұрын

Microsoft MESsenger

@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlaw

3 ай бұрын

Yes. The use of ritual sodomy is 1000's of years old and hidden within these religions from Babylonia to ancient Phoenicia to the Kabbalah. It was used to connect to the demonic realm where the fallen angels reside, known as the gateway to hell. These fallen ones are depicted as parasites or human angels. You can still see the symbols of this ancient club by famous people by the Babylonian finger, representing a penis, the adjoining of the two middle fingers, index and pinkie spread out, is known as the dragons claw. This ritual sodomy practice created what they call the dragon fire up the spine, the serpent coil from the anus. It was a form of enlightenment, euphoria or rapture for them, a shortcut to connecting to what they call the great androgynous Mother, Gaia, Inanna, Ophichus, lilith, covid, Kali, Saturn, Satan etc its why we are greeted with the fingers in the Chamber. Once we do interact we are granted the RAPTURE gesture. Anyway plenty more I could go on about from DS to Elden Ring but its a touchy subject as the truth ruins peoples interest.

@BrainWasherAttendent

3 ай бұрын

@@KmaaqMES = MESHUGGAH soundtrack confirmed.

@ahmadfrhan5265

3 ай бұрын

As an Iraqi Man please whites do not claim our history be 0ff 👋

@ahihi7706

3 ай бұрын

MESSmer, MESSi Best football player confirmed

I also have a theory similar but it also includes Melina in the first burning of the Erdtree. I think Mesmer and her are twins like Miquella and Malenia, but in the land of shadow. Once the Erdtree was burned both were banished to shadowlands until Marika called for Melina again, which starts our journey with her and can explain why she has so much knowledge of what Marika said and historical events. Marika called for Melina because she’s the only one who knows how to burn it, because when we meet her she’s “burned and bodiless,” with prominent scaring from the first attempt.

@cutebunny6361

3 ай бұрын

This could explain how Melina got ahold of torrent. As we saw in the dlc teaser a year back, that Miquella was using torrent.

Great video. Loved the react-and-discuss format. But what is more amazing is the way this game's references are so deep. This makes a lot of people get into history, simbolism, deep discussions indeed. This is so good

The moment I read the words "makes the trees grow right" I got all the chills. I think he's absolutely on to something here. Do we know for certain Miquella's motivations in the Shadow Lands are antagonistic to Messmer? Not asking rhetorically, I'm trying to remember if it was explicitly stated somewhere. But Miquella was trying to grow his own tree. So isn't it possible he's seeking Messmer's aid or an alliance?

@Oracle_Orhyn

3 ай бұрын

The Shadowtree is certainly as source of corruption. To me, there are to interpretations of the ShadowLands: (1) Messmer’s interpretation. He is the supposed ruler of the Land of Shadow, or the very least - he is forever appointed to the Dark, forever unable to enter the Light (Lands Between). The corruption of the Erdtree, from his perspective, is something that brings him life. (2) Miquella’s interpretation. He will escape to the Shadowlands, for something related to the Erdtree - as we know that he tried to birth an Erdtree but failed. Perhaps he believes the corruption of the Erdtree to be a hindrance, whereas Messemer sees it as his light. These are speculations of course as the purpose of the Shadowtree could be completely different to my theories, but it definitely seems like they are of opposing ideals - given their positions in the story: *Miquella* (Bright)- protagonist(support) *Messmer* (Dark) - Antagonist

@alselein7155

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that seems more and more likely. I don't think Messmer will be a true villain character, but rather someone who got erased from history and was made "bad" because his goals and ideals didn't align with Marika's. A scapegoat, on which everything bad can be blamed

@TC-rc1zf

3 ай бұрын

Or defiance

Messmer becoming a destroyer of vegitation through fire seems like a great corruption of his potential green thumb heroism

@kaiyz4222

3 ай бұрын

in real life. Fire is often used to burn forests to enrich soil, and lead to new healthy growth

@Dastardly_Duo

2 ай бұрын

It also fits well with all the Demigods ironically being corrupted by their good intentions in some way. I wonder if the same will go for Miquella. I mean technically it already has in the base game. So many Albinaurics being experimented on at Castle Sol

6:10 “I researched Ningishzida and I was Messmer-ized….” 😏 I see what you did there. Something that comes to mind is Quetzalcoatl, the flying serpent god. The Asian countries of past called a flying serpent a dragon. Much different from the EU style dragon. Forgot where I was going with this… 😅

The Erdtree sap is referred to as amber. Sellen tells us that amber is remnants of ancient life. Perhaps this ancient life was beginning to influence the people who partook of the sap. Perhaps something was seeking resurrection. Perhaps Marika discovered this and forcibly ended the age of plenty before she became a puppet.

@johngddr5288

3 ай бұрын

I honestly want to know what Marika realized when she decided to break the Elden Ring. Crazy that whatever it was drove her to do that

@rclaws3230

3 ай бұрын

@@johngddr5288 Marika realized that no matter how she rebelled against the Greater Will, she could never truly eradicate Death (i.e. there would always be loopholes in the Order established by gods), and so if she couldn't have her way, there would be no Order at all. And then since she had no Order to offer any more, the Greater Will punished her by removing her ability to propagate her Order so that someone else could come along and make things right. Keep in mind that the Greater Will is not a god in the Lands Between sense, nor an Outer God; it's something more analogous to the 'Will of the Universe', 'Natural Law', 'Science', 'Causality' etc. I.e. there's no point in rebelling against it, it just Is, infinite and unchangeable.

He’s gonna have two phases with two separate health bars and then after you beat him there is gonna be a cutscene of him turning into a dragon for his third phase.

@nothappyboi9453

Ай бұрын

this would be so fucked 🤣

10:26 Plot twist - the dragon will be riding Messmer.

One thing that I just noticed replaying the game, is that Enia the fingerreader crone says burning the Erdtree is actually the FIRST cardinal sin. This implies both that there may be more than one (not necessarily if there has only ever been 1), and also that it was the very first grand action of sin against the Erdtree, signifying how early it happened.

God bless you Ziostorm

I saw this video last week and it was really interesting. The two snakes in the statue also look similar to Kaathe and Frampt.

You pointing out Melina's tree kind of points at a thought I have had which is that Messmer and Melina may very well be a duality like Marika and Radagon, 2 halves of the same whole. He ended the war in the land of shadow with cleansing fire, she helps you burn the erdtree; Both have a closed left eye, both have red hair which is symbolic of children of Marika and Radagon.

What immediately jumps out as a hole in the theory to me is: if messmer is the only one who knew how to care for the tree and rhe tree had to grow in the land of shadows, then it wouldnt make much sense to banish him somewhere he could probably do the MOST damage to the tree. This could all be a clever switcharoo where messmer is actually a guardian of the root system and protector of the method of growing new trees so people like miquella cant plant/grow a usurper tree. Maybe messmer and marika forged a false history (because shes definitelya stranger to trickery), made the snake symbol, which is very clearly linked to him, a fake scapegoat to hide him away and diacourage investigating into messmer. Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain sort of thing. Either that or perhaps the first burning was an accident he caused by the inate power of the fire he wields and he was banished so that it couldnt happen again.

i think the real life inspiration for mesmer. is vlad 3 of wallachia. a knight of the order of the dragon, son of the dragon (his father was also in the order), and the impaler.

@cakeassassin6277

3 ай бұрын

my favorite part about his story is how he, when escaping from the otomam armies, left a forest of corpses behind him at the parh to targovishte. Wich i think conects perfectlly with the massacre at the mountain top of the giants and the frozen impaled giants

@EmissaryOfStuff

3 ай бұрын

That's also very possible, given Messmer's title.

@sakrefunholy

3 ай бұрын

Could be. But I personally think it's probably a mix. My personal guess would be that his personality would reflect vlad the impalers own personality. But he also represents the same things as god Ningishzida. Basically nature, the Underworld, dragons/serpents and war.

1:05 Or as Overly Sarcastic Production called him: Johnny Snake-Shoulders

Would mesmer's symbol not be more similiar to the rod of Asclepius considering that it only has one snake?

@bajafm1812

3 ай бұрын

This! Deleting my comment.

this style of video in my opinion is really healthy for ur channel i really enjoyed it

It's always a treat to see Zios. Man this guy is really on to something. Thats my favorite thing about the soulsbornering games, the community is sooooo passionate about the games and their world's lore. Theory crafting is some of the most fun shit ever, especially for uber-enigmas like Elden Ring. I've seen all the videos, read all the lore posts, I still don't know shit lmao Edit: with all this lore stuff in y'alls head, how the heck do you make room for new stuff? I learn messmer has a snake and forget my cat's name. Just remembered I don't have a cat....

From Wiipedia: "Slash-and-burn agriculture is a farming method that involves the cutting and burning of plants in a forest or woodland to create a field called a swidden." "Slash-and-burn causes temporary deforestation. Ashes from the burnt trees help farmers by providing nutrients for the soil."

all this mesmer lore mesmerizes me...

they expand upon previous themes in Elden Ring. I believe Messmer is Father Ariendel and Marika is Sister Friede, in terms of theme. so she used him to besically control and have power over his land but then when you kill Messmer it will release Marika from her stasis and then she will ambush us similar to Friede and she will be the final boss of the dlc. ❤

@jhank0cean

3 ай бұрын

lmao we already fought Marika 🙄

@eprimchad2576

3 ай бұрын

​@@jhank0ceanwe fought radagon dingus.

@jhank0cean

3 ай бұрын

@@eprimchad2576 we fought both of them dingus 🙄 they literally inhabit the same body

@eprimchad2576

3 ай бұрын

@@jhank0cean yeah but marika is a baddy i think she could make a comeback smh doubting the eternal queen

@thahli

3 ай бұрын

@@eprimchad2576fk yeah fractured stone titties 🤤🤤🤤

Saw this the other day! Glad you covered it!

Almost think maybe Melina is the Erdtree, Marika did “birth her” it lost its purpose and was burned and lost its corporeal body

The staff of moses reference is to a later point in exodus where they put a snake on a stick to cure poison if I remember correctly.

@CoperliteConsumer

2 ай бұрын

That's the copper snake though...called the "Nehushtan". Wouldn't they simply just called it that rather than moseses snake which to me makes me think of the staff he turned into a snake at the feet of king ramaseys

@CoperliteConsumer

2 ай бұрын

Side note the whole Nehushtan thing is so wild because it casually talks about the serephs in it, flying poisonous snakes. This is wild because we have 3 other historical accounts the 3 nations surrounding that area that all talk about a weird army that had flying snakes. Egypt, proto Greece, and the hitite empires all mention it around the same time in historical documents that are not religious of mythic in details. Like wtf happened

One thing that came into my mind about Messmer being erased from history is that FS has done it before with the Nameless King. But even him was still remembered, we don't know his name but we knew since DS1 that he existed. Messmer is a different case, his treason was so big and unforgivable that we haven't got a single mention or clue about him until the trailer dropped

Zio in the flesh. Thanks for the content 👍

That video came up in my recommendations, really good!

Messmer is probably the god that was flee that plaxidusax was waiting on but I still don't think he will be that big of impact in the dlc they never show the true villains in trailers

@eldenlean5221

3 ай бұрын

If mesmer isnt the true final boss I think godwyin is a good candidate, since its likely that part of him is somehow stuck in the land of shadow.

@asta8153

3 ай бұрын

​@@eldenlean5221why would you think that?

@eldenlean5221

3 ай бұрын

@@asta8153 theres a lot of lore tying godwyn, miquella and the eclipse together. And if we look at the runes of death from ranni and godwyn; ranni shed her body and preserved her soul, while godwyns soul was taken while his body remained. The lands of shadow are like an underworld of sorts, it makes sense that thats where godwyns soul would be, and it could be one of the reasons why miquella wanted to go there to begin with.

@asta8153

3 ай бұрын

@eldenlean5221 Yeah, but his connection might have been lost in the dlc. We sure are getting the Eclipse happening, but I doubt Godwyn is returning. Hope u are right tho, but not as a final boss

Nobody is talking about how Mesmer is the lanky peasant guy species just like Gostoc.

Love this casual discussion type of video!

Did you notice in the original Elden ring story trailer. Before the general is infected his eyes are already snake looking and golden like messers. Just something weird I noticed.

Idk what I thought ziostorm looked like IRL but I wouldn't have guessed this :o

What's interesting about Ningishzida being a Mesopotamian god is that the archecture of the underground outside of the Eternal Cities (which appear to be built later) seems to be Mesopotamian in origin. Mesopotamia translates as "the land between two rivers" - the rivers being the Euphrates and the Tigris, which are parallels to the two underground rivers in Elden Ring. The clay tablet the underground giant man statues hold is literally just the irl "Babylonian Map of the World." The Socerer Rogier reveals to us there's a connection between the Eternal Cities and the numen, and we know we'll be visiting the land the numen came from in the DLC. Perhaps the numen, being an allegory for the Mesopotamians, worship Messemer, an allegory for a Mesopotamian god.

This Messmer-Marikas's son creates problem to timeline for that and many other theories. His red hair supposed to point he is son of Marika and Radagon, but their marriage and kids occurs only in the middle of the Worship of Erdtree era, when Godfrey was already banished. If Erdtree was burned before it must been in the end of age of Crucible/plenty, when Messmer not yet been born and Radagon wasn't even been around. Also we can theorise that Messmer was son of Godfrey with red hair, and Radagon was not in relation with him, but he hated his own red locks not because of fire giants association, but because of Messmer and his blasphemous deeds.

I think Messmer using the braid symbol helps connect him to Marika and her royal lineage, and the symbol appears prominently on Miquellan imagery (mostly soldier helmets)

Wow been watching for years now (mostly listening while working to be fair) and never seen a face cam. Lucky guy, face for video and a voice for radio.

Yeah saw his Video too and that's so awesome!

Wrong staff of moses. The staff mentioned here is the one with the bronze serpent, which still only has one serpent instead of two, but at least the staff of Moses looks more like Messmer's symbol than the two snake staffs.

Messmer fights and wounds Marika after having set the erdtree on fire, therefor gets banished in one final act by his mother: Queen wounded and out of FP, Erdtree burning, and her god of war just banished would put the world in its most weakend and defenseless state... A perfect opportunity for the Elden Beast to take over.

Woahhhh that was a quick “alright what’s goin on guys” 😂

I wonder how Mesmer's story interacts with the implication that the Erdtree was fertilized with the body of the previous god whom Placidusax served. It feels like Marika and Mesmer might have fought said deity together and stripped the corpse of the Elden Ring thereafter, or at least *most* of the Elden Ring, since it appears to have more runic circles in its eldest depictions, but I wonder if Mesmer suggested that a part of it be allowed to remain in the corpse in order to help the tree manifest in a divine form.

I think the snakes come out of his shoulders where "wings" would normally be.

The staff of moses at mt nebo has one snake coiling around it.

This is so cool!! It makes perfect sense!

Sometimes I think those branches from Melina’s spell, and the Erdtree’s branches look more like how roots do

Dude! More videos like this plzzzz!!! 🔥🔥🔥

Let him cook. The bald bearded reference made me think of the statues all over Uhl and Uld palaces.

I think the braided circle might be his great rune shape

It's always interesting when they tie character inspiration to real world myth, especially when it lead to learning of one I never heard of.

The thing about the drake knight armor would be regular "tarnished" trying to replicate that. Its the armor worn by Eleonora, Violet Bloody Finger that we fight near the end of Yura's quest.

@cutebunny6361

3 ай бұрын

In eleanoras pole blade description it says it was forged in the land of reeds. In the land of reeds helm description it says the land of reeds was locked in a civil war. Similarly to the line mentioning a war said in the dlc trailer. The land of reeds could be the land of shadow.

Messmer is a retcon and a repetition of the Solaire/nameless king debacle

Been following your channel a long time and never saw your face before 😮

Also, the torch where you get the dragon communion speeds have lions on them

5:40 also I believe FromSoft takes visual designers on vacations to the places where the new games will be based on so they can get a bunch of inspiration

Mesopotamian Mythology is so slept on, would love to see more games take inspiration from it.

If you look closely to the ouroboros symbol it looks pretty close to the ring on Miquella's hand in mohg's mausoleum

Off topic but behind the weird tombstone at the boss arena in Morne castle there are two trees entangled like in the land of shadow

I could see some inspiration from nidhogg from norse mythology as its in charge of pruning the roots of yggdrasil.

I love how much Elden Ring has people talking and Philosophizing within the World Wide Web. And sir if you don't have a vocation in voice work I'd be shocked beyond belief. Looking forward to hearing more. Live long and prosper.

In the dlc the crusable and the beings born from it are considered godly or in some way blessed so marika being with an omen for example would explain messmers appearance and his flame simbol is simular to freanzy and like the god of freanzy messmer wants to burn the world to because its the only way to save it so maybe it has something to do with that and the simbol of freanzy maybe be was made like this because it reminded marika of her sons flame which is used for the same goal pretty much

messmer becoming a dragon hydra like placidusax would bring me to climax

I thought it was interesting when you brought up Messmer's hand and the imagery of the roots growing before catching flame, it almost reminds me of the deep-root depths. How Godwyn's growth of the decaying roots have began to take over the space below the Ghost of the Erdtree, we see in the Lands between. I wonder if Godwyn, Mequilla, and Messmer will reveal the true plans for tarnished after the golden order. Or tie-in secrets between what was lost or tossed aside during the different ages of ruling within the new quests.

Yo check out David lightbringer, I think there's alot to be gained by cross examining grr Martin's work. As he played alot with old mythologies.

@Oracle_Orhyn

3 ай бұрын

David explores GRRM’s work in a very broad or general sense, as it relates to A Song of Ice and Fire. Instead, there are a few KZreadrs whom are familiar with *both* asoiaf AND elden ring. These are the KZreadrs who are able to connect the many similarities and cadences between both works, to discern the story being told within each story. From the top of my head is: ‘Jack is A Mimic’. There are other KZreadrs, but I forget. Jack, however, often cites other ASOIAF lore enthusiasts, so you shouldn’t have a problem finding them if you watch Jack

@justin8865

3 ай бұрын

@Godflorence oh ya jack is great. I just think David knocks it out of the park of understanding grrms work that's all I'm saying.

I was aware of another who had snake shoulders, King Zahhak, but this serpent-god is much more convincing

4:32 ive realised that sigil may be representing his parents marika and radagon as the fire may be inherited from radagons potential lineage to the giants and the right is as you said relating to marika with the pattern

Hey remember those statues holding a very large needle in the Hailegree? Doesn't the art in Messmer's crest have semblance of that?

Are we sure he has 2 snakes, or one snake with two heads, with one head in each end?

Very interesting. A lot of the theories do align, or at least seem very possible, with what we know about Messmer and Elden Ring. It will be interesting to see how much of this turns out to be accurate.

Perhaps the insignia is referring to a break in the golden lineage and the frenzied flame. A separation, a point in time where they become distinct?

Just watched this yesterday. Thought it was a good theory

What if the symbol depicting what looks like the frenzy flame icon and braids of marika icon being separated, is representing when the one great was “fractured” which lead to the crucible

Hmm, perhaps his phase 2 dragon form is based off of the serpent that's curled around him. So not a normal dragon, but something more snakelike, with a head at either end. Kind of reminds me of the Duke's Dear Freja with the two heads. I noticed the boss arena shown in the trailer is fairly spacious, but still an enclosed space. It doesn't seem big enough for a traditional dragon fight, but also too big for just Messmer.

I wonder if Godfrey’s lion Serosh has any ties to the lands between

Wild theory, love it

You should do more Elden ring lore react videos. No one else is really doing this

I've compared Godfrey to Marduk, patron god wedded to the fertility goddess Sarpanit. Also has a avatar or association with a dragon called Sirrush, almost spelled the same as Godfrey's beast Serosh.maybe there is quite a few more comparisons to Sumerian myths we can make.

D also has a Caladuceus on his back

Hi Zio! Thank you for the video! :) I recently watched the "Lore of the Dragons" from VaatiVidya, and combined with yours I had a theory: maybe Messmer is the son of Marika and a dragon. The dragon could be Placidusax, as consort and Elden Lord. And Marika could be the god who left the dragons. And maybe again (I reached and reached as you can tell), the Ancient Dragons went to war against Lyendell to get back at Marika and Messmer or to take them back or something. Just a thought! Also, Messmer's name reminds me a lot of the word "mesmerize" (word that I think is associated to snakes in some way) and I found out that it comes from "the doctrine that one person can exercise influence over the will and nervous system of another and produce certain phenomena by virtue of a supposed emanation called animal magnetism," ("mesmerism" from Franz Mesmer). And that Franz Mesmer worked with a guy who changed his surname to Hell and who had an interest in astronomy and worked on magnet therapy, which are things we see a lot in Elden Ring. Although it's a lot of leaps and all, I thought it was interesting to keep in mind because of the themes. Furthermore, and there I'm going to reach a lot again, I found out that "mesmerism" is a concept very close to "hypnotism" and that the latter was sometimes called "braidism" (because James Braid was a pioneer of that concept and people wrongly attributed the concept to him) and that he was a significant innovator in the treatment of spinal curvature (among other things). Here again lots of leaps but spinal curvature and "braidism" remind me of themes and imagery we have in Elden Ring. So. That's that. To be fair, my point is etymology is worth investigating I believe. When you take a look at Placidusax's name, well Placid means "gentle, quiet, undisturbed, serene, calm," 1620s, from French placide (15c.) and directly from Latin placidus "pleasing, peaceful, quiet, gentle, still, calm," from placere "to please", and I think it can say a lot about the Dragon Elden Lord and what we see of him.

The symbol that is in game that looks like the Caduceus seems like a division between ages, for. The staff in the middle is the change of ages, from the dragons, on the first symbol, to the golden order on the second. But where does the land of shadow fit in it?

This is so good!! I’m so excited to uncover the truth!!

I do remember saying something about Aztec culture having depictions of snakes with feathers.

7:19 I’m not convinced it will be an underworld since the LoS was once a physical place. But who knows maybe it could be both

Here’s an addition. Not significant but cool. The worship of the snake god was centered in Enegi. Eingyi is in Dark Souls, and the voice actor also voices the twin snakes. Eingyi is also a pyromancer like Messmer.

the unaltered banished knight armor/helmet looks more like messmer than the drake knight its has a very similar red cloth what if he was possibly in charge of the banished knights originally

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and theres a few of the knights wearing the unaltered set near the dragon communion church

And he looks like grunbeld from berseker:')

Perhaps the fire we use to burn the tree is Messmer flame. That would imply he is the fell god. Also the witches worshiping the fell god in the mountaintops have thorns covering their eyes, also thorns are all over the encampments they are found in. In the land of reeds round shield it depicts red thorns, keep that in mind. In the land of reeds helm it is stated that the land of reeds is stuck in a civil war, like the one mentioned in the trailer, if the roundshield and helm came from the land of shadows (their from the same set) then that would mean the red thorns are synonymous with the land of shadows. Eleanora wears drake armor, and her pole blade is said to be forged in the land of reeds. I love your content ❤

I think there may be a connection to Messmer and the Cruicible after watching this. After all, its "Messmer's flame" and we have "the Cruicible," and a cruicible is meant to be used with a flame. And with the part about the "lord of the trees" thing, I think theres something to it

The symbol to the left of center in Messmer's insignia looks just like the Three Finger's symbol. Fits the blasphemous theme, maybe that's what Messmer used to burn the original Erdtree

I think the meet Death in the embrace of Messmer's flame will have to do with Godwyn's death tree on fire, we only fight dream version of Fortisaax rite? I wonder if Messmer is like Lorian in the sense that he carries some brothers curse and fought something that burned into their weapon. Also the dude with no legs and a giant dagger in his head reminds me of a shaved version of the elden john statues. Their legs don't look the strongest and near the cocoon there are no legs, it looks like its floating with roots or something growing from it. There is also a strong collapsed theme near most of the statues, but the part that gets me the most is the mimic fight area. Theres a statue missing its upper half, in a place you confront your other self, in a place that is like a meeting ground between underworld and overworld. To be honest, it looks like a place you'd get married. I think the path you take to get there is the same path someone else took to get there at some point, and ive noticed St. Trina's lillys like to lead toward dark areas like caves and nokron, but Miquella's lillys can be found in similar places but with a slight different theme, incubating near poison, the easiest place to see it is the lake near abbandoned coffins grace. In the center of the lake are big miranda blossoms that grows children from themselves, similar to a tree dropping seeds. On one side of the lake are scientists experimenting on and watching flowers grow including miquella's lillys surrounded by poison miranda's, waiting in the shadow of a cliff. On the opposite side of the lake, are Trina's lillys leading to a necromancer that fused his wife and children into a weapon. Trina at some point, might have gone down the mistwood well and never came back, meanwhile people cant agree whether Miquella was a boy or girl. I think the old dude, trina and miquella got mixed up, perhaps literally. And if anyone has played armored core 6 and saw the third ending, Mohgwyn mausoleum might make more sense, with stars hanging around a big explosion. It will add to the context of "stars contain residual life" and "vitality of the gods". Could just cheat and watch the ending on YT, but youd skimp yourself of how you feel at the end of the game from 3 different perspectives.