Wunderbar Andy ! Truth, Beauty and Goodness. Three things that never get old.

Food for thought. I’m glad you felt compelled to do this post. Well done. As an artist, I’ve never thought of my paintings as prayers, but I can sense what you intend by saying this. My sensibilities align more with a buddhism that sees no point in naming the unnamable, which still allows for gratitude and perhaps prayer. Thank you for doing this post.

Jimi taught me "gospel guitar" with Wind Cries Mary, major scale hammer ons and pull offs, something that mostly country musicians were doing - Like Floyd Kramer, keys. Jimi invented that guitar style, at least on record. I found myself, in 1979, at the Musician's Union on Vine and Donnie Martinez, my boss, introduced me to three hotshot studio musicians, mostly country specialists AND they could play anything. Donnie said "Dennis would like to jam" and I said "say what?" - these guys scared the poo outta me. They found a Tele for me and I plugged in. When I'm terrified I tend to play the gospel style and I did and they frikken loved it and began to imitate me and laugh. Then when I calmed down I brought in Wind Cries Mary and one of those hardcore dudes wept while he played. When asked to categorize "his music" Jimi replied, "Electric Church Music".

Laura Nyro's father named his daughter after the theme song 'Laura' for the movie. He passed in recent years aged in his 90's.

@robinwhetstone8060

25 күн бұрын

Wow! I did not know that. Thanks!

@lupcokotevski2907

25 күн бұрын

@@robinwhetstone8060 Cheers.

Both Jung and Joseph Campbell expressed the universal constructs that go across cultures and time.

It was Beauty that killed the Beast.

If you possess beauty, it gives you competence in the eye of the beholder.

One of your best shows!

"Heaven is a Drink of Wine"-Merle Haggard.

I think you are on to something, Dr. Edwards. Thank you! You have beautiful intellect.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

25 күн бұрын

Wow, thank you!

The technique for perspective in art had to be discovered. James Burke did a wonderful episode on this in ‘The Day the Universe Changed’. It was representative of seeing the world and its beauty as it truly is.

"All the world astounds me and I think I understand" - Melancholy Man / Mike Pinder Many of the classic Moody Blues lyrics take you into the amazing beauty of nature. Listen, take it in, weep if you must.

Made my day. Thank you Andy

Gene Tierney and Grace Kelly were the most physically beautiful women from Hollywood’s Golden Age, at least in my jaundiced eyes. What an ambitious topic. My career choices were heavily skewed to the science side of the art/science dichotomy. I struggle with playing guitar feeling that my artistic abilities don’t exceed maybe 80km/hr. It’s interesting that science,like art, is under attack in the 21st century. I feel that people don’t deeply understand the function or contribution of science toward our progress as human beings. The basic contribution of science is to remove the ego from the discovery of truth. Science is imperfect because we can never completely remove the ego, what we term bias, from our experimentation but we design experiments so that our personal preconceptions or preferences have no bearing on the answer to the scientific question or hypothesis that we are researching. I do feel that both art and science point toward truths, truths that may not agree with our previous assumptions and beliefs. Dogma and superstition are gaining prominence at present but I hope we have the courage to reverse those trends in the future.

Bravo. The conclusions you arrive at in this video are brilliant. Very thought provoking and interesting discussion. More please

I enjoyed this video very much, it very much reminded me of a Robert M. Pirsig novel called Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, which I strongly recommend to everybody who is interested philisophy. I would LOVE see Andy discussing it. Cheers & keep it up😊

Blimey Andy that was deep... I just watched it while eating my breakfast, what an inspiring way to start my day... thank you! It occurred to me while watching that you might want to get Uli Roth on your channel. He has a book coming out soon on music and philosophy and I reckon he would have some interesting perspectives on the topics in this video. I've met him several times including attending one of his Sky Academies and he's a very interesting chap as well as an amazing guitarist.

"Hell is other people"-Jean-Paul Sartre.

My piano compositions are often "prayers or "meditations" . Bravo Andy beautiful vidio! Oh & By the way I'm a Post Conceptualist !( lol)

This was quite a discussion:) I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition… But than Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition 😀✌️

@Chiller11

27 күн бұрын

Our two weapons are fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency ……………Our three weapons!

@AABB-bm9kk

27 күн бұрын

@@Chiller11 😄✌️

@daicullinane7746

27 күн бұрын

Bring out the comfy chair.

@AABB-bm9kk

27 күн бұрын

@@daicullinane7746😄✌️

@AABB-bm9kk

27 күн бұрын

@@daicullinane7746😄✌️

"I think most of us are attracted by beauty… One of the last of our prejudices.” -James T. Kirk, 2269 CE

Damn, that was outstanding, and all with one breath!! I have degrees in Psychology and Philosophy, and from my perspective that was a very astute presentation of a refined cogent proposition. For what it is worth I agree with your premises and conclusion. Well done, Andy!!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

Thank you David. I am not an academic and that is a continual sourse of insecurity!

@marcsullivan7987

24 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer But you have clearly studied Philosophy, right? You are an academic in the platonic ideal sense ;)

Watched this twice with a one hour Google break in between. Bookmarked several articles and ordered "Critique of Pure Reason" during my break. Well done.

@mikeydflyingtoaster

26 күн бұрын

What's a Google break?

Between Gene's great beauty and Andy's sweaty armpits, what we have here is a very stimulating talk about the eternal power and meaning and interpretation of beauty! Much appreciated. I can mostly only stomach Jordan Peterson when he sticks to his field (psychology / myth) and isn't being a pseudo christian apologist being incredibly wordy and confusing. But admittedly, I find him somewhat of an enigma. I think I've seen that Jung interview (I believe it's on YT) and doesn't he answer a question like "Do you believe [in a higher power]?" and he answers something like "Believe?... I... know." Well now we're almost touching on what is or can be considered "sacred" perhaps? Lynda Sexson has written an interesting book about that called "Ordinarily Sacred". If you happen to read this Andy, I think you'll enjoy reading that! My poor mind can just about understand it and it's a very stimulating read I promise.

Beautiful video, Andy! So many ideas in here. Great point about the role of long-form monologues and conversations in creating new ideas - the world would be a better place if there was more of this on internet platforms. But having seen your last top 10 video, I was very anxious throughout that the picture of the beautiful lady might morph into a picture of Van Morrisson or something ...

Colour me intrigued! Wasn't sure I had the right Andy when I saw the video title!

Highbrow video of the day from Andy! Who would have thunk it? (Seriously, a great listen.)

From 20 minutes on I just couldn't get The Philosophers ' Song out of my head.

Gene Tierney is very good in Leave Her to Heaven as well She is not playing someone of good moral character there though. I have been enjoying lots of old films recently as an escape from the state of modern films and entertainment.

@omnipop4936

3 күн бұрын

Gah, yes. That lake scene with her and the boy was _chilling._ And yeah, I myself went on an old movie binge when I was in my mid-20's. Rented gobs of them (VHS) over the course of about two years, from a local arthouse theater (which has since been torn down). Discovered *_so_* much great stuff there - silent films, obscure foreign films. Miss those days - miss the smell of the popcorn, the velvet ropes, the _actual human interaction_ when paying for the video rentals, etc...

beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, neck ornament currently in resurgence

@narosgmbh5916

27 күн бұрын

What Zappa couldn't have known was that the ornament would now be worn on the skin Beauty is a tank of ink Waiting for your skin Beauty knows no ....

@kyleh1127

25 күн бұрын

was gonna post that, but decided to check the comments first. you win.

My best mate who passed several years ago, an English teacher and brilliant interpreter of thematic film and literature, considered Gene Tierney the most beautiful woman to come out of Hollywood. He was of Greek heritage who epitomised that philosophising tradition. There is a wonderful interview of Gene in 1979 on the Mike Douglas show. Coincidentally, my mates surname was Douglas (anglicised).

I ought to be making notes on this because I have to take a break, and I will probably lose the thread. So far I've got, Cyd Charisse, the Taj Mahal, the Hagia Sophia, Birmingham, Brutalism and cats. And Neil Peart. Frank Lloyd Wright. Modernism vs Post-Modernism = Failure to communicate. Libertarians are also utopians. We finally get to Jung, which is where it could have all started, because it taps into the archetypical, the mystical and the pre-rational. Full circle. Jormungandr. God help us, you're an idealist! Good argument.

Three things I find utterly beautiful ... Winged Victory of Samothrace; Euler's equation; Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner from Woodstock. I mention these as: 1 is completely context free for me (pure aesthetic), 2 is entirely context and 3 is a mixture of context and aesthetic. Euler's equation is as close to theism as I will ever get ... as far as I know.

If you look at the picture of Gene Tierney, you see features that embody the Classical principles of Beauty, and those are Symmetry and Proportion. When both sides of the face are symmetrical, particularly but not limited to the position of the eyes, this is percieved as beautiful. The proportional relationship of the positions and sizes of the eyes, nose, and mouth have a specific formula regarded as beautiful. Illustrators understand these principles. If you want to understand this, draw what you think is a beautiful picture of a face and then flip it over and look at it against a window. You will immediately see all the flaws of disproportionality in your drawing and you can correct these, thus arriving at a more beautiful drawing.

Slightly weird topic request: Northern Ireland v Long Island (or All Ireland v Long Island) Which has produced more great music, bands, performers? Get Pete Pardo and the Canadian guy.

@SP-mf9sh

27 күн бұрын

Lol lots of irish on long Island. Maybe that's why. I am both a long islander and irish so this topic is interesting to me.

Within a couple of minutes I decided that I was listening to claptrap but decided to watch to the end to see if my mind was changed. It went into too many areas that were not that related to the subject at hand. Beauty (and art) are entirely subjective, end of story. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and neither science or culture has changed what people think, only how they may say that they think in order to fit in or get ahead. Man will have decided on beauty back in the days when they were writing on cave walls. So as far as the subject matter is concerned, I was indeed listening to claptrap. However, on subject matter away from the main subject there some thing that I have banged on about for ages that is nice to hear from somebody else, such as the ridiculous concept that some have about fighting the likes of racism by practising an equal form of racism. A fun Sunday waffle that would be great fun around the pub table with a few pints. It was a shame that you gave away the important part of the Laura film.

@johnnyxmusic

27 күн бұрын

Well… They do seem to be some universal aspects to beauty… Including let’s say we’re talking about human beings or women in particular facial symmetry, and some other things. I mean does beauty exist in nature? To some extent it does… If you’re a peacock in fine form you’re going to do better with the ladies… That applies to a lot of creatures out there. Sometimes you gotta know how to dance a little… I’ll bring some gifts to your potential mate, or do a good job of dressing up the love shack. I mean his beauty real even if it’s subjective? Do you know I have a friend we talk a lot about love. Is Love real? Where does it exist? So here’s my stupid almost obvious not obvious philosophical question… Why is a good looking person attractive? And you would say well a beautiful person or a handsome person is ipso facto attractive. They’re almost synonymous… It’s practically a syllogism. But really… They are you see a woman… She is beautiful to you. Subjectively. She’s your type and she’s a fantastic example of your type… You could say that’s objectively true if we were to measure your heart rate and how much you’re sweating and what your brain waves are doing… Somehow you find her pleasing to look at. Are you deem her pleasing to look at. But there’s this other thing… That’s like magnetism… That attracts you to her. Let’s say it’s activated by your reception, indigestion and processing of her appearance… But what is that other thing? That other quality that makes you want to look at or some more it makes you maybe want to go up and talk with her… Or have you think about being with her her appearance creates a pleasurable somewhere inside you. Anyway Anyway, you know it’s not really important that the idea beauty be universal. Because we only live in the society that we live in. Now you may find certain women of certain ethnic backgrounds to be more attractive to you. And you might want to track one of them down. I think it’s important that… Or notable that every culture has its standards of beauty and if you live in that culture, it’s likely that your perception of beauty is going to be formed, At least partially… By those standards that you have been inculcated with. And that’s a good thing because you wanna meet with one of the women or one of the men who are there in your culture. And your culture will live on. Modern art… Contemporary art… Who knows? Who cares… You know it’s great when you become an adult you think some thing is ugly you get to say so.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

'Beauty (and art) are entirely subjective, end of story.' If you dogmatically hold to that cliche, then this will all seem like waffle. But you are wrong

"a knowing modernist" = metamodernist perhaps? It's crossed my mind a few times that your more philosophical stuff is occasionally knocking on the door of metamodernism

In the 1930s and 1940s, they went with sharp angular features. Best for black-and-white and the current film technology? Late 1940s to early 1960s, soft rounded features became more common. Because of colour and higher definition film? In the late 1960s, they began to move toward ugliness.

Agreed

I believe that the universal archetypes are God's presence in our unconscious where we are informed by our dreams, random thoughts and feelings expressed as intuitions. When I see babies at my local coffee shop, I see a joyous miracle.

Other good GeneTierney movies to checkout, Leave Her to Heaven and The Razor's Edge. There is a scene in Razor's Edge where a character is describing how beautiful she is while at the same time calling her selfish. If I remember correctly.

Where is Andy going with this I wonder :) Guessing that thumbnail is Hedy Lamarr ✌️ She’s certainly up there on the all-time list Although personally I’d take Brigitte Bardot ❤✌️

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Ай бұрын

Gene Tierney

@AABB-bm9kk

Ай бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummerAh, Thank you, Sir. Another beauty!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Ай бұрын

It really is a history of beauty, from the Greeks to now

@AABB-bm9kk

Ай бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Cool, Sir 👍✌️

Andy, do you think the time is right for another musical renaissance similar to the late 60s/early 70s to emerge? Will the time have to be right and artists recognize it, or can individuals force the phenomenon to come into existence? I believe this stuff happens in cycles.

This is the listening equivalent of watching women play football.

I would love to hear you discuss music with Jordan Peterson one day. I was waiting for you to bring him up. He is a fascinating person who has both logic and openness. Very rare qualities together. Also check out Camilie Paglia. I'm sure youve heard of her. She talks about art and beauty all the time. Shes a very controversial thinker... the third wave feminists hate her.

The greatest art has its beauty infused with love and selflessness and divinity. Without these qualities, 'art' is craft, propaganda and indulgence, more or less.

Andy, I suggest you either cover or clip your hair for this one! 😊

@Chiller11

27 күн бұрын

Haha yeah and maybe back off the lighting a bit so you’re not washed out and press and button up your shirt. Visual aesthetics.

Who’s that love voice at the start?

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

27 күн бұрын

My daughter singing on my album FORBELLA

@scorbs2699

27 күн бұрын

Wow!!! That is lovely

Thoughts on Aristotle, Kant, et al., and Gene Tierney and Laura, and aesthetics, and the beautiful and the sublime, and Christianity, liberalism, capitalism, romanticism, modernism and individuality, the avant garde and postmodernism on a Sunday. The subject/object emphasis that you make. The emphasis on the relationship between the beautiful and the good. The emphasis on historical change. Debatable concepts and presentations, but thanks for your thoughts, Andy. We learn about art and beauty and we get a sense of where you’re coming from. And thoughts about where we going and what could be done regarding the future of the arts in terms of possibility and potentiality. One way is cognitive psychology and biology. Jordan Peterson-even from a cultural point of view. Not sure on this.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

Go and watch JP talk about Pinochio...changed my life!

@jvpresnall

25 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Watched JP on Pinnoccio. I dunno. The Carl Jung-Joseph Campbell type analysis seems like it’s connected to the material, but ultimately it requires belief in all kinds of questionable things outside of the material. It always struck me as a bit of flim-flam despite the bits of insight and wisdom.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

25 күн бұрын

But aesthetically it states things that are very interesting. And remember, materialism is based upon two articles of faith; that things exist out there and that the Universe is ordered. This is the same leap of faith required to beleive in God. I was an athiest all my life but JP got me to a crisis point where I realised my atheism too was an article of faith, and one less logical than stating the fact there is the unknowable and the best way to deal with that is to accept it. Which means accepting that the Universe is out there and is ordered...which is the same as saying there is a God.

@jvpresnall

23 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I meant the material of the work under analysis/interpretation/explication. Not to rule out spiritual, theological, supernatural, mystical aspects. The Jung-Cambell “method” insinuates too much detail in that regard-which in poor hands (not necessarily Jung or Campbell or even Peterson)-often leads to all kinds of one to one correspondences which over-interpret and over-determine meaning which then can close off thought and result in ready to made ideas or concepts.

@jvpresnall

23 күн бұрын

When I hear “hero’s journey” “archetype” “collective unconscious” “individuation” in the context of art/cultural criticism-whether it’s the artists or the critics speaking-I suspect the need to adhere to all sorts of unargued for assumptions which tens to tie together “systematically,” but which are surely debatable-even in esoteric terms. That’s all.

1700 views in 2 days? It's tempting to rename this "Top 10 Philosophical Ideas".

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

I don't do these type of videos for views...I have spent weeks on Fridays video, I know it won't get very many views...

@heartoftherose

26 күн бұрын

I meant no disrespect, Andy. Your sincerety is obvious. I'm thrilled to have recently found you and have it appear in my feed. It's one of my favorite videos ever, by anyone.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

@@heartoftherose I didn't percieve, any. I was agreeing, it's shame this sort of video gets less attention but it is quite esoteric in it's subject.

Either I’m too stupid to understand Jordan Peterson or Jordan Peterson is trying hard to be unintelligible. That’s not usually what educated wise people do. I suspect Andy could be cured of the fascination by J.P. In watching few more videos than one. My own curiosity certainly got cured that way and thankfully redirected without wasting too much time. Otherwise nice Sunday video

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

Wow...he is divisive isn't he....

@OperationPhantom

23 күн бұрын

What Jordan Peterson does is defend traditional Christian views, for example the physical resurrection of Christ from the dead, without wanting to be held in a position where he has to say he believes this himself. Probably to him it's mythical but he wants to retain the cultural power and importance in this myth and that, in a way, for him makes it "true" I suspect. Though it probably didn't "really" happen, that is less important than the power in the idea, which he likely holds as "sacred". But he is very slippery in committing to that. Also, it gets very messy with all the politics involved and stuff. Probably doesn't help eh? I enjoyed watching bits of his interview with Alex O'Connor but have yet to watch the whole two hour interview. JP is a bit exhausting.

When a person begins his voyage to intellectual honesty he's first got to admit that there is something greater than themselves and that there is the existence of one truth relativism is for the intellectually immature you've definitely taking a huge step in the direction intellectual maturity and if I was going to push my opinion on you I will argue that Freud was a pervert and everything LED back to sex with him anyhow in Georgia's talk giving me things to think about as always keep on pressing on

There's an aspect of this (just that) of "value". We live largely as if the "value" of anything is the number indicated on the price tag, and economics is talking about scarce things of "value" - of value, but in short supply, like beauty. There's no thought given to "value" itself, which seems to me like jumping the gun. At least when it comes to the value aspect of beauty, though there's some history of paying proper attention to this. Hmm ... except that the beauty _is_ the "value" (which I'm now cheapening by smearing economic muck on it). It's redundant to talk of value if you're talking about beauty. You're just going to end up saying the same thing twice, if you do. The thing I'm trying to make my point of view on right, is the idea that a lot of what we treat as "valuable" (moving to a different avatar of that thing - not quite - nevermind) is worthless. We value worthless things too often. And we treat things of great worth (using "worth" as something intrinsic, and immune to opinion) like they're junk. And now my head got stuck. Either that, or I'm trying to bail out of going all TL;DR, and giving up on doing that graciously. A bit ugly, then. Sorry.

Excellent video Andy. My problem with Jordan Peterson is delivery. Whether I agree or not he makes me think but he’s such a miserable bastard.

Someone will always find something offensive, especially in art. Art that is exciting, pushes and prods at cultural barriers, often revealing them that were hitherto unseen. If it doesn’t offend someone, it probably isn’t worth saying.

Gene Tierney aged and lost her Hollywood looks, but she remained beautiful.

I think you are wrong when you say that Art is where we negotiate morality. The whole point of morality is that it cannot be negotiated, it is asserting your view without recourse to negotiation. Kant thought he had discovered scientific laws that govern morality, the categorical imperative. So when he said, for example, that all murderers must be executed or that the mother's of children born out of wedlock should kill those children he believed this was based on scientific principles that are absolute, not open to negotiation, and apply to everyone at all times. Art is one of the realms where morality can be set aside and beauty can be negotiated (though moralist will always try to constrain art and artists).

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

27 күн бұрын

But my point is morality is bound up inside aesthetics. Right and Wrong is essentially when you boil it down, assessments of value, and value is what we decide is good ie. beautiful

@pjrove

27 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Morality is when "what we decide is good ie. beautiful" is expressed as an absolute truth that is non-negotiable. Aesthetics are always negotiable and contingent. Morality sets itself above aesthetics not within it. Eg identity politics is a morality based dogma that sees as one of it's duties the imposition of moral limits on artistic expression. And because morality is absolute the moral sanctions often have little to do with the art itself.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

25 күн бұрын

But morality is not above art. Morality is less absolute than aesthetics. Humans have to negotiate what is right and wrong continually.

I'll only watch it if you're in a dress and make-up

Appreciate the ambition of this and more or less agree with it all except lets ditch Jordan Peterson as anything other than a problem to be understood. For the balancing of art meets science meets spirit see Rudolf Steiner. Thanks Andy stick at it, we're all doing this together.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

26 күн бұрын

Thanks for the kind comments. Steiner's ideas are far weirder than Petersons. He was a Theosophist and Blavatsky was a fake. Peterson is a recognised academic whos work on Meaning is jaw dropping. He is not a problem. He just says stuff that is heretical to the ideologues

@rickcorcoran1842

26 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer strange .. how a mind that can seem so close be so far away.. no point trying to get further with this

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

25 күн бұрын

You are shutting down...Everyone I know who dislikes Jordan P is usually slightly done in by modern identity politics and hav not watched any of his videos. The guy is brilliant. 8 years is the worlds most famous thinker and no controversy because he has never said anything the ideological left can get him on...and boy they have tried. If Steiner he may also get some pushback as he beleived the following: fire-breathing beasts once roamed the Earth goblins exist islands such as Great Britain are not attached to the Earth. They float in the sea and are held in place by the power of the stars the heart is not responsible for circulating blood Cancer can be treated with mistletoe if real people are very very wise, they can develop organs of clairvoyance that Atlantis existed and that the Aryan race arose from people who had lived on Atlantis Some races are moving upward evolutionarily, creating new spiritual realities as they progress; others are, deservedly, nose-diving that ancestors of humans migrated to various planets (Mars, Saturn, Jupiter...) long, long ago He was also pretty racist at times too. JP is hated because he does not believe in compelled speeches and that sex exists....

@rickcorcoran1842

24 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I think that deconstructing pop music is a really interesting, fun and valuable thing to do and something we share something of at present. But I was right to close that conversation down as I could tell our real thinking is miles apart to say the least .. you confirm this so .. nothing to say really wish it was otherwise...will probably drop in now then anyway.

I agree with your thesis, but in the end you apologized to the left wing marxists for offending them, then slagged off the right wing as 'nutters'. Courage of conviction Andy.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

25 күн бұрын

I may have had my tongue in my cheek at that point

I can't see any difference between Jordan Peterson and Legs Larry Smith !. Look at me, I'm wonderful. Larry is perhaps easier to understand. I don't find much pulchritude in Mr Peterson.

I love the exploration of these big ideas, but you lose me at various points where I either disagree with a statement or I simply don't understand how you leap from one idea to the next. I wish you had the time and money to write a book or at least a series of essays in which you could both flesh out and order the concepts more, so I might understand them better.

wtf? the history of make up?

Lana Turner, Veronica Lake, Bette Davis...don't shave your head, please.