33:10 A refinished dial is not something I would buy but I'd wear it no problem if I had inherited it for instance. My main problem with refinished dials is the dishonesty of sellers. People who try to sell off clearly repainted dials as originals. I like my watches original. Every hairline has a story. That being said, refurbishing a beaten up watch and letting it get a new life is totally fine as long as it's being sold as a refurbished watch. Those are my 2 øre.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

That is pretty much spot on, George. It is always better to be transparent about things that the buyer will find out about anyway, but unfortunately so many refinished watches are sold with a lack of honesty...

@muffemod

2 жыл бұрын

I like patina on dials but if the dial is very damaged or destroyed and mostly illegible; I think it can warrant a redial. One of my watches has a very nice redial to look like original.

@johnvaluk1401

2 жыл бұрын

@@muffemod yes there is a difference between patina and damage.

@anibaluriarte3676

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. But they are not targeting people like us. For ex, I pay for honesty without bargaining. But those scavengers are feeding their thirst from people who like to hear what they want and are blinded from surface and not substance

@donnyboon2896

2 жыл бұрын

@@muffemod _ Patina is corrosion.

I'm sure that 99.99% of non-Watch nerds would never know that the watch has been redialed. It's beautiful and you did a great job. Would I wear the watch? Yes, if the price was reduced substantially to reflect the redial.

It's a good looking watch for daily wear and I would happily wear it. Omegas are not uncommon nor are they crafted to the highest standard. So to have them as a part of a collection is not so desirable. I first observed my father as he did watchmaking when I was about ten years old - in the mid-fifties. I did learn the basics of the trade but my father adamantly discouraged my following him. He said, correctly as it turned out, that watchmaking would become moribund and by 1960 his fears became reality with the introduction of the Bulova Accutron. We all know the history of watches from there on. Sort of ironic but he gave me a Spaceview version of it for my high school graduation. It still have it and it's my prize. I am pleased to see something of a resurgence of appreciation for quality mechanical watches and I enjoy looking over your shoulder as I once did at my father's bench. Thanks for that time machine.

Refinished or not, this watch looks gorgeous and classy, and runs great after a proper service!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

It is a beauty for sure :)

@larryscott3982

2 жыл бұрын

The hands look like crap. Maybe the previous guy made them

@davidcrandall4958

Жыл бұрын

The "service" will cost much more than the watch and the watch is not inexpensive!

As long as the refinished dial is fully disclosed when selling, it’s ok. This should be reflected in the price as well. If a dial got completely damaged, refinishing is much better than being garbage.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on, Patrick 👍

@davidcrandall4958

Жыл бұрын

It is never reflected in the price!

Love your videos. I would not buy a refinished watch. But yes, I would wear it. Specially this one....its a beauty.

What amazing knowledge, skill and fine motor control of your hands!

I don't mind what people think about what I do to my personal watches, because I build them for myself and nobody else. Of course working on something for somebody else is a different matter entirely... but if they want something altered so be it. "Special orders don't upset us, have it your way". If you remember that line then you're about as old as I am... Beautiful job, thank you once again.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much :)

Jumped out of an airplane juggling running chainsaws while they are on fire. Dude you are super talented.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't mention how many fingers I lost nor how long I spent in the hospital 😎

@DirtyBob200X

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I'm hoping you wasn't bareass nekid, could have lost something else.

Honestly I think this watch looks beautiful regardless of whether it was repainted or not

Your rants are the best part!

My second time watching the video. I’ve had additional thoughts on the dial: most of the things we own have been refinished or altered. From our homes to our cars. Nothing stays the same in appearance. Even we ourselves change! So this, to me, is cosmetic. Even as a rare collector. The important bit is the Omega craftsmanship and inner workings. Great job on the setting lever discovery. This Omega has had to under go some defacing in its life, but you’ve given it back it’s respect! And great to see you’ve gone from 20k subscribers to well over 50k now!

@VintageWatchServices

9 ай бұрын

Thanks, Jason!

Love all watches, restored or original. As long as it's disclosed at the sale it's been refurbished. I'm one that loves bringing back not so old watches to looking like new again as most of my collection is under 25 years old. Learning metal refinishing and practising on junk cheap watches has helped tremendously. I never sell... just hoard all the watches lol. Have a particular taste...lots of subdials, day dates and the like. I'd love to learn how to reverse the colour of my date wheels from white with black font, to black with white font but have little idea outside water slides, or colour printing on decal sheets. replacement wheels are not available. Congrats on 25k+ subs!! I've been very much enjoying your channel!

Beautiful watch. Elegant.Good job.

Wonderful watch, and as ever, wonderful job. Thank you for sharing your mastery with us. It is always a pleasure to see you in action.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for that :)

First, I'm glad to have found your channel. Calm voice, clear elocution, excellent quality of the camera work, all making it very pleasant to follow the process. There's something about the repainted dial I feel uneasy about. It just doesn't match. I'm no collector, but I'm familiar with watches of that time, simply because of my age. These dials are supposed to show a patina, just as I do. Repainting is just as crazy as putting polyester lacquer on a Bechstein piano from the twenties. If you don't want to pay the fourty hours of French polishing, leave it as it is, with all the blemishes. When restoring you don't make irreversible changes applying an inferior technique. Even not sure whether the original dial was black. There is as well the purely legal aspect of infringement of Omega's rights. In this case, the dial not being authentic is evident. But as a brand I wouldn't be very happy with it. Only Omega is allowed to put his name and marks on it.

Beautiful job, Sir Keep it up

Looks great. I would been proud of that watch

Congratulations with the 20K, well deserved. Onwards to the 50K then! And I would not mind a refinished dial looking good like this one.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, and onwards indeed! This is certainly a beautiful watch, and most people would focus on that and not bother with the whole pandora's box of refinished vs original 😁

I never get bored of watching beautiful Omega movements. Well done spotting the setting lever by the way. Thanks Stian.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Howard!

Congratulations on reaching 20,000 subscribers! Glad to see your channel growing because your content is excellent. Continued success! Cheers!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Angel :)

Love it! I would wear it without hesitation. Love old Omegas regardless of their backstory.

I would love to wear that watch . It looks great and the movement inside being genuine is all you need

The dial is the face of the watch. Making it more beautiful is not a crime in my book as long as it keeps the original DNA like this one. I'd like just to know from the seller what I am buying. Some dials shouldn't be touched as they distinct them from others. Anyway watch is beautiful.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're very right in that assessment. At some point a dial is too far gone to leave it be, and the real question is when one decides that is.

Ciao Stian. Wonderful watch as usual . I really appreciate when you zoom in to see all the parts more clearly. Is so nice seems that I am inside the watch. Spare parts are always important , and the right one have to be used. Bravo !

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! I have gotten myself a new camera that has a much higher resolution :)

Recently found your Chan. It’s easily the best of its type. Thank you!

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I'd wear it in a heart beat! Another great video, thank you for sharing!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Ben!

... and - thank you for your videos, which I really appriciate... full of information and fine sense of humor!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them, Werner!

I’m not a collector, so yes I would wear that watch with pride. I love the simple dials, especially w/o the date.

I’m very happy to have found your channel. The videos are excellent! You’re a true master of the craft. I’ve been watching watch channels for a few years now but it’s in your videos that I found the most valuable info about the mechanisms and how they work, the functions of each part, and oh gosh finally someone who shows how to properly lub a watch. Ah and the jokes are good too. Mostly 😂😂 Cheers! Best wishes!

@VintageWatchServices

8 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard! 😁

Originality is always the best route for those who really care. But this repair/service you've done is excellent.. and if the dial not being original isn't a concern, I'd be happy to wear it because it's been serviced by you... Kudos..

Great video,fantastic skill

I have really been enjoying watching your videos. They have reinspired me a great deal. Watchmaking has been in our family for five generations, well six if I get back into it.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

That is very nice to hear, Richard!

I absolutely LOVE Omega watches. They are my favourite in regards to design and the quality of their movements. I like watching the non-chronograph videos the most because I just love seeing the escapement operate rather than be hidden under all that complexity, which is also why I love the display back on the later Omegas with the spectacular machining on the rotors. As a fastidious restorer myself, I was disappointed by the fact that the finish on this watch dial had bits of dust under it that ruined the finish, and if you are going to do such a thing, I would have refinished the indices as well as the hour and minute hands to bring it back to an as-new appearance. It's also unacceptable that the graphics were changed, although that was the least of my concerns overall. All that said, it is a gorgeous, simple watch design and one of my favourites to date from Omega. I was amazed by the movement's accuracy. Thank again for sharing!

@VintageWatchServices

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very classy looking watch and a great video, thank you for sharing. 👍

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Anthony!

THANKS for another GREAT VIDEO

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

You bet, Greg :)

love your work mate!!!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Benjamin :)

Thank you for all of the explanation of the functions of the various part. (retired engineer)

Love your channel. I have a modest collection of watches - mostly various family watches including an Omega Bumper with a solid gold case from (I think) the late 50's that was my late father's. I prefer a watch that is as authentic as possible, but some watches, even restored, just look so darn good, and this is one of them. I would wear it, and even buy it for the right price (if sold honestly as having an incorrectly restored dial.)

Nice work as always. Thanks for sharing. The dial looks pretty well, so i would give it a go.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I think the dial is beautiful, and the most important thing about refinished dials is to be honest about it, imo.

A stunning watch! I would happily bring this beauty into my collection. This reminds me of my Leica camera collection. I have several that were altered by the German airforce that have achieved amazing value. Thanks for bringing this beautiful timepiece back to perfection!

I wouldn't have any problem with the refinished dial. It's still a very attractive watch. I'd actually like to see how dials are professionally refinished. I think that would be interesting. Great videos by the way. I watch them as much for the commentary as anything else. I love the humor, interesting stories, and especially the history and explanations you provide. Keep up the good work!

@jthampshire

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. This channel is informative and entertaining.

@OCW301-79

8 ай бұрын

Refinish dial

@robertbrandywine

3 ай бұрын

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Beautiful watch made better by your efforts. Well done as usual. Yes, I would definitely wear this.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, James 😊

I greatly appreciated this video as I have my Dad's watch, Omega, looks very similar, a Constellation. It is my goal to complete a service on his watch one day and get it running, this video (and others) will be very helpful as I continue to work on my watch services skills. Thank you and I very much enjoy the channel.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that Wayne! Good luck and one step at a time :)

I have to admit to an addiction. It’s watching your channel. I am very envious of your skills and patience which is accompanied by the light hearted banter. Brilliant. Of course I’ve subscribed and am enjoying going back over previous video’s. Stay safe. All the very best. Mick🇬🇧

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Mick! 😊👍

a very nice watch ... thanks for the tips to watch out for originality

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

👍

I would not have refinished the watch originally, but you were not given the option. You received it this way and have restored it to its proper glory, refinished face and all. Its a beautiful watch and unless you knew a great deal about this particular watch I don't believe anyone would know the difference. Obviously a collector or enthusiast would, and would not likely buy this watch or have it refinished this way, but again you received it this way. Awesome video!! Keep them coming!

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Thomas! We don't know what condition the dial was in, so it's not really possible to say whether it was a good choice to refinish it. Hopefully it was in really, really bad condition 😉

Love your stuff 👏🏻👏🏻… especially the sound effect of the watch case being dropped into the cleaning fluid .. reminds me of the sound of a mine scrapping across the side of a submarine 😂😂… very eerie 🥺🥺

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

😁👍

The watch and I are of the same vintage, '66! Thanks for the informative video as usual.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

That Omega black dial is nice! Wow! I have a 1965 Omega with a 560 caliber. It's nice but everytime the caseback has to be removed the o ring has to be replaced due to some wear on the screw on caseback threads I guess. Great upload!

What a beautiful watch. I love black dial watches, and personally I think the gloss black looks stunning. Love your videos, your humour makes it all the more entertaining. Happy to be one of the 20,000 subscribers.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, that is very nice to hear :)

If it looks to good to be true springs to mind, still a lovely watch when all said and done, made even better by your magical touch.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks, Clive!

Greetings from New Zealand. I think this is a stunning watch and I'd be very proud to wear it. I love watching your channel and appreciate your knowledge and commentary.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Peter :)

I would proudly wear that refinished dial! Have to assume the original finish was severely damaged. Congrats on the 20,000....and I'm sure you have many more in your future!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Tracy, that's very nice of you :) And it is indeed a beautiful dial, objectively.

What a beautiful watch. I loved the inside as much as the exterior and yes I would wear it any day. The gold copper colour of the movement is to die for. Thank you for posting.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I love the watch. I'd buy it if I could afford it. I wish I could get my '70s vintage Tissot PR516 serviced and restored but I could buy a good modern watch for what it might cost. Keep up the excellent work, sir.

Thanks for a new one. Hope you are well.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Stephen, you too!

I am of the opinion if it looks good I would wear it but as for my collection it would not be considered. Really enjoy the banter and the knowledge displayed. Thank you!

Congratulations on the 20K mark!! It's well-deserved recognition of the high quality video and craftsmanship. Bravo! I'm not a collector - I just have a lot of watches - so a refinished dial wouldn't bother me so long as it was explained before the sale. In this case I don't care for the dial so the watch wouldn't have grabbed my attention. I like the Omega gilt dials.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Milan :) Honesty is indeed lacking too much of the time...

Stian, Thanks again for another philosophy of life lesson and a great watch assembly video as well. I really appreciate the work that you put into your channel and the rapport that you must develop with you viewers. My wife doesn't understand what I get out of watching but oh well. I spent some time in Biel/Bienne for my work as watch manufacturers helped us create implantable medical devices. I developed my appreciation for watches during that time.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for your kind words! And your wife probably has a better sense of humor than you and me 😉

Congrats on 20k viewers! I'm sure this channel will continue to grow. I have nothing against refinished dials as long as the owner knows that when they buy it. How do subscribers arrange to have you service a watch? Is there a business address to send to? Great video as always.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Nick! I am in general way underwater in servicing watches I've bought in order to resell, so I rarely take on servicing jobs, but if you have an interesting project you can contact me at info@vintagewatchservices.eu

En nydelig klokke. Kunne jeg lett gått med hver dag 😀 herlig å se på👍

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Den er flott :)

I love vintage watches for what they are made of and how they work. I do like them to look close to new, but that's just me. I'd wear it!

Nice job ,very good result. With respect to refinished dials there comes a time when a new old stock dial is unavailable and the only recourse is to have it redone. I have a small rose Tudor from 1950s which had a silvered dial which had gone to dust. No option, just wear it and enjoy .

35:31 I’m new to your channel. The nice thing about what you do is your work is “timeless“ [Pun intended], and your videos will be enjoyed in years to come probably as much as they are the day you post them. The answer to the question you pose is straightforward , from my perspective. If the watch dial is damaged, then it should be refinished as long as the buyer knows the details. That said, dial refinishing should be done properly, and that apparently is not easy. Speaking for myself, I would like to see you service some American watches, particularly pre-and post-world war two Hamiltons.

A beautiful watch, Stian. Congratulations on reaching 20K subscribers. Cheers 🍻!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, David :)🍻

Thanks for all the explanations. Among other things, I never knew the difference between a wheel and a pinion, or the notches of the setting lever. Can't way to see your other videos.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

I don’t mind refinished dials on my watches because I’m not a collector nor do I buy them to re-sell them, so it only matters if I like it or not. With that said… I would want it redone correctly though. Congrats on the 20k!Another edutaining video. Can’t get enough of them!!!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Walther :) The issue with refinishing dials is that to make them completely like they originally were you would need the exactly correct printing plates... and those are very difficult to find for old watches.

@walther9161

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. For your viewer’s info: Bill & sons in the UK say they can do an exact match to original or a very close match at differing prices. Here in the states, Kirk Rich dials make the same claim except they say they have the “dies” whether they got their hands on actual Heuer tooling, I don’t know. So, I’ll have to investigate further and will comment once I achieve something. Thank you for the videos!!

Nicely done Sir. :)

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Beautiful watch! I would love to wear that!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Gratulerer med 20K! Jeg tenker at dersom urverket er i topp stand, så er skjønnhetsfeil på skiven mere tilgivelig ;)

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Takk så meget, Aage (eller er det Åge?) :)

Thank you sir for your reply. My 1960 Omega Seamaster is being serviced here in Connecticut USA. This is the first time I’ve had a vintage watch serviced. My cost is $800. Which is almost what I paid for the watch 5 years ago. The watch ran fine but was progressively more difficult to wind. Thank you again!

@VintageWatchServices

11 ай бұрын

$800? 😳 That sounds crazy. Is that with an Omega store then?

The dial on the Seamaster ('59) I inherited from my father was covered with flakes of the original lacquer that had come loose. As a "patina", it did not look good, and functionally all those flakes of old lacquer threatened to foul the movement over time, so I had it re-dialed. I was mostly satisfied with the result, but just as you noted for this watch, not all the fonts were correct. In this case it was the shape of the S in Seamaster. The redial used an S that Omega did use, but it was not the S that this particular model used.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the issue; there were so many variations back in the day, and if the redialer doesn't have the exact printing plate, the result will be slightly different from the original...

Thank you for your channel -- great information about the watch and movements historically, issues you see and how to address and a little humor mixed in. not sure on the dial restoration. I refinish antique furniture and the same dilemma exists there too -- do you clean up an old piece and make it look brand new, or do you do the minimal to bring it solid and leave the rest be. I think it is definitely a personal choice. I love these old vintage Omegas, have several myself. Thank you for sharing your channel.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for watching, Brett! It's a big discusson for sure, but to me it's really this: A nice original dial > a refinished dial A nicely refinished dial > a badly damaged original dial.

Excelent video !

Another superb restoration - and a great commentary. I'm assuming that the original dial was badly damaged and needed a re-paint. Which, despite its flaws, still looks very good. For me, I'd love to wear it as it is - and knowing that the movement is in great order, I'd count on it doing its job very nicely for years to come. So, thanks again!! 😊

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Federico!

I think the refinished dial looks great -- higher quality than the original. I've watched a couple of these specialty dial refinishing shop channels and they put a great deal of work into redoing them.

@VintageWatchServices

3 ай бұрын

Fair enough!

I also collect watches but i only buy watches i like and look nice to me. A refinshed dail is no issue for me if i like it.. I even own some Casio digital quartz watches. But i do own some nice vintage watches. I love the channel...

Hi Stian, love that watch. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest!, I do like original but some of these dials are toast!. I feel such a high end watch deserves a face lift, the dial gives so much pleasure and valuable information. I am always stunned at the knowledge you have attained over the years, and you share it easily. Thank you and congratulations on 20,000, fully deserved. Adrian.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Adrian, that is very nice to hear :) And yes, original dial > refinished one, but refinished one > badly damaged original dial 😁

Great video and funny comments thanks again

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching it, David!

Great video. I have 2 Seamasters. Love the quality.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Nick :)

I would be happy to wear any Omega watch!

Love the video and the watch. I have no problem getting or wearing a dial like that, as long as you know it and buy with full disclosure. There are beautiful ones to be had that the collectors don’t touch and leave for the rest of us mere mortals 😃

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Well said and entirely accurate for 99.99% of watch buyers :)

Looking great. Original dial is a non issue.

Great video. I would say a dial should only be repaired as a last resort, but it also depends on the watch and the history behind the damage / patina. Best to replace the dial and keep the old one, so it can always be put back to original.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew! The dial itself is the original piece of metal, but it was stripped down to the metal and then repainted.

I stopped using a wrist watch some three years ago. There is always a mobile phone or computer screen available... But that does not mean that I don't llike these interesting videos. Keep up the good work!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

I don't even wear a watch myself that much! It's like you say, time is displayed everywhere nowadays. Mechanical watches are still very fascinating to me though :)

Thank you for all your entertaining descriptions, I have learned a lot about timepieces. For a little over 45 years I had a Rolex Submariner on my wrist, accurate and reliable and the adventures it survived were hard to believe, that is a story beyond this Omega service. Regarding refinishing dials I do not care for any restoration that affects original integrity. Gears and pinions, wheels and springs and jewels can be fixed or replaced, of course. That should be it. The fading or changes in finish, or any other signs of age tell the story of endurance and service. Cheers!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Hans! There is a point at which a dial is so badly damaged that the owner won't wear the watch anymore, and then I think refinishing the dial is the better choice. But of course, a nicely aged dial should be left as is 👍

Hello, First of all thank you for all your interesting videos. For me refinishing a dial is something that would only need doing for the very worst case. But just a light cleaning and tidying is OK. Keep well, keep safe and enjoy life.

I tend to agree with you that dial should not be re-finished unless they are so bad that they become useless. Since we have no idea what the dial looked like before it was re-finished, I don't think I can say if it should have be done or not. I've never attempted to finish a dial myself, so I cannot tell if it's easy or hard to get the exact match. Great video as usual, thanks for sharing

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much and you've really said all there is to say... The issue with refinishing dials is that to make them completely like they originally were you would need the exactly correct printing plates... and those are very difficult to find for old watches.

Thank you for sharing these videos. What is that thing you used for cleaning the pivots on the escape wheel and the pallet fork? Awesome work.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Hello John, it's a product called EVE Flex

@johnhelt5475

Жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices thank you

I would definitely enjoy this watch. It's beautiful! But, I would want to know the work that was done for my information and if I ever decided to sell it because I would want to disclose it. BTW, I enjoy your rants and sense of humor. Great job and thank you for your hard work.

Great vid as usual Sir. 🙂 You deserve every view you get. The refinished dial as a bad thing is quite recent. Since old watches became collectibles. I remember my maternal grandfather getting his dial "cleaned"(not a euphemism 😁). My dad sent one of his Longines back to the factory(by post in an envelope, with some cardboard for "safety" with lots of stamps 😳🙂) to get his watch serviced and the dial "cleaned". It was quite common in the Old Days(tm). You tend to see more redials from hotter climates and in non diver watches(better sealing). I suppose the problem latterly is when unscrupulous sellers and dealers do it to increase the prices. Black dialled Omegas of that vintage were very rare(outside military type watches black dials were rare anyway) and IIRC one was shown in the TV series Mad Men, so black dialled Omegas became more valuable. I've seen a few redials in some premium auction house sales.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

You are spot on! And I don't mean only with the views of my channel 😁 Just a few decades ago the threshold for refinishing dials was much lower than it is now, the love of patina and aged looks is relatively recent. And yes, honesty about it is often sorely lacking. If a seller says "the dial was unfortunately badly damaged, so we decided to have it refinished and it looks very nice now", most people would take that as a positive thing. But when they are evasive or even claiming it's original, that obliterates trust.

It is a beautiful watch. The dial does look good, but I would have preferred the original patina'd dial (unless it was badly damaged). Perhaps an original dial could be found?

It’s a nice looking watch. I’d be proud to wear it.

You deserve every sub! And the watch is very nice, including the black dial!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! 😊

Another great video. Congratulations on your well deserved popularity! Do you have any plans to do a video of a Venus 170 service?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Christopher! No, I don't have any Venus 170's around, but I do have a Valjoux 92 coming up 😉

@vpr44425

2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing that!

I think that a refinished dial is just fine so long as it's well done. For many of the watches, the original dial was probably so bad that the watch wouldn't be used. A refinished dial gives a watch a second chance. It helps preserve old watch culture. Yes, you need to be up front when you sell the watch. I own one watch with a refinished dial, and it is very nice, very similar to this watch. I collect antique cars, and most collectors have no issue repainting and restoring the cars. There are some cars that still have good original paint and interiors, and those are left alone.

@VintageWatchServices

5 күн бұрын

Well said

You are a Master!, greetings from Mexico.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😃

The dial was well refinish looks awesome

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

It's a beautiful dial for sure!

Great macro work the new camera has made a difference, congrats on 20k subscribers. I collect watches from one brand only and black dials always scare me.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! Black dials have been very fashionable and there are quite a few redials out there indeed. For Zeniths, there were a lot of black dial watches in the 1940s and 50s but they are rarer among the El Primeros. And I agree, you should add extra scrutiny on a black dialed vintage watch...