That 1141 movement is a sight to see!!! It's Beautiful. One of my favorite hands down.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dan, thanks for watching and for your comment! It's a cool movement for sure and in a way relieving to see a chronograph without a 7750 inside...

@philipdenner8504

2 жыл бұрын

i had it down as a 1140 movement

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

@@philipdenner8504 Hello Philip, the 1140 and 1141 are pretty much the same, but the 1140 is gold plated and the 1141 rhodium plated.

@tonyking9235

Жыл бұрын

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD DO A BIT ON HOW THAY USED TO MAKE THE BASE OF THE WATCH . NOT CNC BUT HOW THE FIRST WATCH MAKERS MADE THEM . WE ALL KNOW HOW THAY MAKE BITS OF THE WATCH EVEN BY HAND . BUT NO ONE EVER SAYS HOW THE FIRST WATCH MAKERS MADE THE BASE PLATE WITH ALL THE POINTS ON IT SO YOU CAN MOUNT ALL THE GEARS AND SO ON . JUST A THORT .

That screw extractor tool is GENIUS!!! Thank you for sharing these videos. I don't know how you keep track of which parts go where, especially when they are all together in the cleaning bins. Keep up the awesome videos.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John! The parts make a lot more sense after you've done this for a while :)

The black/yellow combination hits your retina like a hammer - and it looks bloody good! I have a few watches with yellow dials. Nothing as fancy as an Omega, though. But I love them ⌚

@LaurentiusTriarius

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. I don't have any yellow dial. That's a problem...

Theon is so hilarious, his jokes will come in by surprise and they always make me so happy :)

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Stian 😉

This was fascinating. As I have never seen the Dubois - Deprez disassembled. I now know why a lot of watchmakers spit their teeth out over it. They are also available on an exchange basis. Or so I have been told. My Heuer with the same module is ready for collection from the local Meister. He is ex Breitling so knows his eggs on cal11, 12, 2892 and Dub - Dep. But oh the cost!!!!! Tanks for another mega video. Bw Mike

Thanks for another interesting video. Seems as though this one has stirred the greatest amount of detailed discussion of all your uploads to date. I found them also very interesting, Great channel.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Clive, yes indeed! 😂 There are many very knowledgeable viewers and sometimes the discussion can go into quite some detail, but as long as it's all friendly and in the spirit of helping educate each other that's really great 👍

Exelente explicación .Todo un profesional en relojería .

Just incredible! I will treat my Reduced with even more respect - and my servicing watchmaker in Stuttgart!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear, Erik :) More to come, so stay tuned!

@jurivlk5433

2 жыл бұрын

Your watchmaker will probably never touch the chrono module!

@erik_1402

2 жыл бұрын

@@jurivlk5433 he did with foto documentation.

I love your job and simple explanation. Regards from Puerto Rico!

@VintageWatchServices

11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! 😊

I have two watches with this module. Didn't realize how many parts comprised it. Thank you for another informative and entertaining video.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve! There are a lot small parts in there indeed :)

Superb photography of the process of reassembling the chronograph assembly. The shots taken looking 'sideways' at the movement, from about a 30° angle relative to the baseplate, make it very easy for the viewer to comprehend how all the different parts interact with each other.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks, Michael! I'm planning to improve further on this going forward, so stay tuned :)

Beautiful Watch! Thank you for another good video!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doug! There should be a familiar one next 😉

owning a reduced Speedmaster, it wil take me a long time to learn to assemble this complicated watch.....have a great New Year Stian, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Rich, and the best to you and yours also :)

Very good video. This is the first time I hear someone refer to the manual on a KZread "watch channel". As I restore electronic equipment, a service manual and a schematic are of the utmost importance in most cases. I always wondered how you guys can remember the sequence of reassembling a complicated thing like a chronograph.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Berre, thanks for watching and for your comment! As a man my first inclination when seeing a manual is of course to throw it in the garbage 😂 And for simple watches there isn't generally any need for a manual, as their layout is logical and oiling is straight forward. But for more complicated watches I always try to find the manual (or tech sheet/tech communication as they are mostly referred to) to make sure I don't miss anything. And trust me, all watchmakers do this unless they know that specific movement in and out. At some point you don't need the tech sheet anymore. The problem with old complicated movements is that it can be very difficult/not possible to find the tech sheets, especially for manufacturers that are no longer in business. Then you're mostly down to your own experience and hoping that the previous watchmaker put the parts in the right place 😁

Nice job, gorgeous watch. Part of the 30%, subscribed already.

I spit out my drink when you said "run, run like the wind". I didn't realize you could be so funny. A multi talented renaissance man.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

😂👍

Wow! I won’t be taking one of those on for a very long time, I’ll take your advice an run! Great job!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's like taking the lid off a Pandora's box right there! 😂

Just stumbled upon your channel. Love it! I really enjoy sitting back and enjoying a very skilled person working on watches, it’s so interesting. I like the commentary and your accent, reminds me of Swedish people 👍🏻

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Timo, thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! I'm from Norway, so pretty close indeed :)

@jurivlk5433

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Congratulations! You're a much better watchmaker than 100% Swiss are! I'm from the heart of watchmaking and I can guarantee you that no 100% swiss watchmaker was able to service the Dubois-Dépraz chrono module! When I finally tried it, what the hell, it took me quite some time to put it together again! This movement is horrible since all is driven by the pinion of the axe of the second wheel.

I'm glad the algorithms recommended your video! Your narration is quite pleasing. I hope my watchmaker doesn't run away from my Reduced when it comes time for service! lol

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! This movement isn't as scary as I might made it sound, I was more trying to dissuade the hobbyists 😉

That cracking noise when you pop the hands off is scary!! Love the channel.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Keith, thanks for watching and for your kind words! It is indeed an unpleasant sound but it's just the friction fit coming loose :)

Great video as usual 👍

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Peter!

Great as ever. Thanks :)

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Great video and wow, what a lot of parts. When I first saw them I said, Holy Sh*&.. - Kudos to you for servicing that one and all its glory...

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Thomas!

Those Schumacher Omegas are great. Really like the red one.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael, thanks for watching and for your comment! Yes, the red one is very nice and probably a little bit less in your face than this yellow one 😁 They even made a blue one, which is also pretty cool.

Looks like the perfect movement for beginners to service.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 Right on! Get one of these that doesn't work, buy a cheap set of screwdrivers and you're set for life!

@red75v67

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices haha 😄

Yep this has become my favorite video on KZread watch restoring. Mainly due to the module. But hey it also comes married to a super sweet Omega!!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

That's very cool to hear, thanks! More to come shortly :)

Fascinating.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jozsef!

10:00 Hi. I’m sure there are watchmakers and others who will appreciate the new camera. This is just to say I’m not either of those. I watch because I like your personality, such as it is ;-), and for your explanations about the watch world. So a new camera won’t matter to me.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Angelino, that's very nice to hear :) A new camera and better production will simply be a bonus for you then 😉

@johnsrabe

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices (It’s your show; I know from personal experience you never know exactly who your audience is and why they’re there, so I like to offer that data when I can. Anyway, cheers!)

What a interesting watch, the dial is nice

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Darcy!

@darcybrawataakaontariostac6835

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices it’s nice that some people reply thank you

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

👍

Man that's a lot of complicated movement .. soooo many pieces & parts , it really does facinate me how all that can be remembered to re-assemble , i just about manage me budget movements ,truly commendable.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Ted, thanks for watching and for your comment! As odd as it may seem, this movement is actually easier than most in terms of not mixing screws, as the module actually does not have many screws and they are all quite different. After a while you also know which types of screws are bridge screws, which are pivot screws, which are pallet fork screws etc. There is a pretty clear logic to most of them, though not always 😂

Good one

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rauf!

This is a different take with the Schumacher color. Not quite my cup of tea but that doesn't make it a bad choice. I enjoyed your work!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Westend, it's a pretty flashy color indeed, the red one might be slightly more palatable for a lot of people. Still a very cool watch 😎

Holy crap !! I am a certified auto tech and also own and operate my own Marine Repair business and that movement went way above any of my mechanical abilities . Just blows my mind that somebody can take a movement like that apart and put it back together and it actually works. I hope some day to learn watch repair . I want to restore old non working Rolex's . Beautiful job my man.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Roger! This type of module is pretty infamous in watch circles for being difficult to work on, and is honestly not much fun either. So if you can choose between an old Rolex and this kind, the choice is veeeeeeeery easy 😂

@madmanmechanic8847

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices It is very surprising I have seen no working Rolexs for decent prices on Ebarf. I do understand your passion for what you do. I sure hope I can get clocks down and move to watches? They say if you are interested in servicing watches to start out with pocket watches . And those are dirt cheap too . Thanks for the reply love the watch !

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

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THEON, GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, SEE YOU WHEN...

I didn’t have to wade through chest high snow, but I do remember having only one black and white channel on the tv.

@Killsnapz

2 жыл бұрын

yes but did you walk to and from school 10 miles, up hill, both ways in the snow? : )

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

There you go! 🤣

@ronaldlinkenhoker5705

2 жыл бұрын

Only about a mile uphill, but I did have to dodge log trucks.😁

I enjoy your laid back style. Informative, but easy to listen to. Curious, how did you become so fluent in good old conversational English?

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Larry! English is my most spoken language nowadays and even if I don't really try to pronounce it properly I do know it quite well :)

Great video. Thank you. With press fit crystals, case back gaskets, and pressure ratings, how do watches get dirty inside?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom! A brand new watch should indeed not get dirty, but as a watch goes through its life cycle, the initially very tight tolerances will start sliding a bit and that's when the water resistance starts dropping and the watch starts "breathing" a bit, the air pressure changing with temperature differences and thereby letting tiny pieces of dust enter. That dust mixes with old lubrication and voilà, you have dirt. Add to that the fact that some owners like to open the watch to have a look etc.

Are you a busy man? I want to be your young Jedi, im so impressed!! I like your humor and its very noticable that you are VERY good at your job. - Also how much does such a service cost? And what do you think of the B01 movement from breitling. My 79350 is rocking that mvmt, so I would be very delighted to hear your words.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Hello Carl, my middle name is actually "Busy". There are certainly tons of much better watchmakers than me out there, but I think I have a good head for understanding problems and am increasingly improving my skills to solve them :) The B01 is a great movement from what I have seen, it's a very good teardown of it here: www.thenakedwatchmaker.com/decon-breitling-navitimer-01 I have not worked on it myself and heard some rumours about some early problems with the rotor not rotating easily enough, but I'm not aware of any prevailing issues with it. It has a couple of really cool features and looks very nice in my view.

When we finally got a TV all the snow was on the TV screen most of the time.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

😂

Beautiful, eye candy, one day I will work on a high end Omega I hope =). Nice that you could get the screw out, I used a staking tool to unscrew a broken screw on my last project, I think I got lucky. Nice job, see you soon /Josef, Stockholm.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Tjenare, Josef, thanks for watching! It's a cool watch for sure although most watchmakers don't really like it. There are plenty of ways to get a screw out, but this tool actually works pretty well :)

@Watcheyes

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices förstår, yes its a like or hate watch I guess :). Yes but that tools seems very nice, I've heard about it before.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe just to clarify: what watchmakers don't like is the movement, that it's a module put on top of a more or less off the shelf ETA. Btw, a staking tool is a smart approach for getting the screw out 👍

@Watcheyes

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices aha I see, thank you.

@Killsnapz

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices unless the screw is not accessible from both sides. Then it can really be frustrating. I ran into this on an old Seiko 6118 movement. The watch had slight water intrusion and it rusted the bottom of the balance screw off in the hole. I typically have tons of Seiko spare parts but of course the 6118 plate is uncommon and significantly different from all other Seiko's. I binned the project until I can come up with a non frustrating way to remove it. I might have a go at trying Alum Powder to try and dissolve what's left of the screw.

Nice work ok 😎👍

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Josefino ✌

Another masterful job. Any chance you'll be working on a co-axial movement anytime soon?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! There's a non-zero chance of me working on a co-axial, but it's certainly close to zero... This one is about as recent as I do, so in a few years when the co-axial starts becoming vintage I'll pick one up 😁

@bullnose01

2 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. The Schumacher was introduced in 1996 and Omega released the first Seamaster with a co-axial movement in 1999, so it shouldn't be too long. More importantly, keep on keeping on with what you do. You expose to us what most of us never get to see and appreciate. Thank you. 👍

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point, I didn't think about that 🤔 Well, I hope one will come across my bench sooner or later :)

@bullnose01

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices We're showing our age. Things that we remember as being new just the other day now are deemed to be vintage. 😕

That module has more parts than a Unitas 6498 hand wind movement!

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

😂 A looooot more!

I think you should invite Trouble from the Nekkid Watchmaker on as your guest.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I have my own Trouble 😂

Stian, a question -- If you use the chronograph function a lot or for long durations, would an automatic be more accurate than a manual wind movement because the tension in the main spring is more constant or is the difference insignificant?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Bullnose, that's an interesting but pretty much entirely hypothetical question 😂 If you run the chronograph for so long that the mainspring would run down, a manual winding watch that's not re-wound during the run of the chronograph would start giving less accurate results, typically running a bit slower in a well regulated watch. But no one really uses the chronograph anyway, so in 99.999999999% of the cases I think it wouldn't matter 😁

@bullnose01

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices 👍

The hunchback of Biel/Bienne!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

Quote of the Year: "More floating parts than the Titanic" 🤣

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

😁👍

I would like to see how you approach fixing a movement that doesn't run well after service. The movements that have given me the most trouble are the old ones, e.g. Elgin 447, PUW 1463, Orient 46941, Seiko 6119C, EB8150. The problems that are difficult to fix are things like the movement runs for a minute or 2 and stops, the watch runs 30-40 sec/day slow but the movement is set to maximum +, sometimes on a timegrapher the movement looks good with fairly smooth straight lines and other times it show a "snowstorm" with no pattern, etc.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Richard, thanks for watching and for your comment! What you're pointing to is indeed common issues, but after a service a watch needs to run well, otherwise you haven't actually completed the service... It might be that you need to change parts which are too worn to remove some of these issues and some of them might not even be fixable without major intervention. The issue with a watch running too slow but the regulator is set to max + might be one such problem, but it might also be as easy as adjusting the index pins or the stud. There is always a commercial aspect to servicing a troublesome watch; is it really worth it? Are you/the customer prepared to spend $500 to get a $100 watch running acceptably? At some point you will have to decide whether you are investing too much in something that will never become what you want, and that might very well be the case if you buy a cheap fixer-upper from eBay, for instance.

Nice work! Btw what is the difference between speedmaster DD289X and ETA stock 2894 Many brands just use 2894 today Are they the same type of module?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jeffery, thanks for watching! The 2894 is actually a competitor to the DD modules, as it is an ETA module on top of the 2892, thus completely ETA made. It's the same concept but of course a different module. DD actually produces a whole lot of different movements, not only the chronograph modules they're best known for and even makes parts for "in-house" movement makers behind the curtains 😉

which watch would you recommend? this speedy reduced with the chronograph module or a speedy with valjoux 7750?

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

Hello Miguel, I'd go for the 775x versions as a general recommendation. They're much easier and cheaper to fix if something goes wrong.

@statusbohemio

Жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thank you very much for the advice. I actually have a couple of speedys with that movement. but we must admit that this yellow dial is amazing

Stian, I have become interested in the Michael Schumacher edition of the Speedmaster Reduced. I noticed that this particular watch does not seem to be in your "For Sale" inventory either at Chrono24 or on your own web site. Was this a customer watch and not one for your own sales inventory?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Doug, it's a watch that's for sale but I haven't yet taken photos and listed it. Maybe you can mail me directly if you're interested and we can discuss there?

Very nice. I've wanted a Speedmaster Reduced for quite some time, but it looks like servicing could be cost prohibitive. I was wondering when you were going to compare all the floating bits and the jewelled plate to a Seiko automatic. :) Also, you will likely find yourself yelling at younger watch makers things like, "You guys have it so easy these days! When I was your age..." and other things akin to "Get Off My Lawn!"

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 Right on, Clay! Grumpiness is a force of its own! As long as we can still joke around with it we're probably good, but there will be a day when that force takes over, mark my words 😁 The Reduced is a very cool watch with a pretty much perfect size for most people, and it's one of the very few non-vintage watches I try to always have a couple of around. I don't actually wear them much myself but I really do like them :)

@gromit1996

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I am so looking forward to owning a Speedmaster Reduced... soon!

Very impressive. That module looks like a massive cluster f&$# though. I want to say these were marketed as 3510 movements? I have a 3513.20 and really love the size and the fact it’s an auto. I will steer clear of the real “reduced.”

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

That module isn't for the faint hearted for sure 🤣 The model line numbering was 3510.xx but the movement number was 1140 (gold plated) and 1141 (rhodium plated). There is however a later version of this movement called 3220, which has some small improvements but is essentially the same, perhaps that's what you recall?

Hello, thx for this video, I have an Edox in almost the same combination, ETA + Dubois- Depraz , very precise, +4s/day , I recommend this combination , was 1000 Eu (new)instead of 2, 3 or five, yes a little grumpy today no jokes! :) nice one still!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Tiberiu, thanks for that! Yes, this module is pretty common and a lot of brands use it. It's cheaper than having to develop a whole new chronograph :)

Yellow

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

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My watchmaker has a particular dislike for ETA 28 series movements. He says they are in many ways counter-intuitive. I believe him, as long as he services them.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

That's too bad for your watchmaker, as he probably sees quite a lot of them 😂 2824 and 2892 versions are so ubiquitous in watches from the last 40 years that you will get a lot of them (or clones from Sellita, STP etc) on your bench if you take customers watches in for servicing. As a guy working mostly on vintage watches with in-house movements, I certainly prefer such over the 28xx's, but the 28xx's are very solid and reliable and arguably the most commercially successful movements of their category ever.

Breitling did the same with their Bentley chronograph. Same movement same module.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, a lot of brands have used this combo.

What is happening at 7:40? It looks like some sort of press but it’s covered form most of the time so I can’t see what it is removing??

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, thanks for watching! Yes, the use of that tool wasn't well captured on the video, but it is a screw extraction tool. A screw was broken off in the mainplate, and then this kind of tool can be very useful. I believe I mention in the video how it is used.

@chris_ackroyd

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices -thanks for the reply (my sound must have cut at that point 🙄) Really enjoy your videos btw!👏👏👏

Is it true that chronograph module originally must be just replaced not repaired? Also is Lemania chronograph movement is the best ever produced?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Yes, this module is typically replaced by Omega and sent back to Dubois Depraz, who would then refurbish them. Lemania has certainly made some of the best chronograph movements, but it's in my view quite impossible to say that any one movement is THE best. It really depends on which criteria you're judging by.

I subscribed.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

What do you think of the 1120 vs the 500 series and 1020 series movements?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jacob, I've not worked on the 1120, but it is in essence an ETA 2892, thus a very good movement but not an actual omega movement. I certainly prefer the 500 series and even the 1000 series, mostly because they're from an era where there was so much variation on watchmaking. The 2892 is in most ways a better movement than the 1020, but I still like the 1020 better. It's a bit the same as liking Italian cars more than German ones, they might break down more frequently but they have more soul 😂

@thomasnuyts9725

Жыл бұрын

An Alfa car mechanic explained to me once that vintage Italian car owners spend most of their time under theirs car rather than in their car. 😂

Been missing your humorous knowledge lately. This was interesting, as many parts as this thing has, I would expect it to be more expensive then regular Speedy 1861! I can see why Omega would like to simply replace the DD module instead of rebuilding them. Do you suppose Omega replaces them, then sends the old unit back to DD and let them service them? Thanks.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Randy, good to see you! You're spot on with that thinking, it's exactly what Omega does 👍 And the 1861 is considered a much higher grade movement, originally developed by Lemania, so it is much more sought after in the market as well as of course being famous for powering the Moonwatch!

The rectangular shaped spring, up or down.....? Check the tech guide.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dario, the rectangular spring should have it's flat side down towards the wheel. At least that's what I was told 😂

Ha! I have one of those.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

It's a cool one!

Oh thank you! This is what I have been searching for! I have a few watches running the Dubois Depraz module and wanted to see one! You know it is extremely hard to find a service center that does both the movement and module here in the northwest. I have 2 Daniel JeanRichard watches and 2 Versace watches and one Zodiac watch running the Dubois Depraz module. When talking to a service center they will most of the time say that the Dubois Depraz modules usually do not need servicing because the chronograph isn't used as much. If you say you want it serviced then they will tell you that they will service the movement and return the watch. Then you can send it to someone else for the service of the module. Listen if somebody reads this I am looking for pushers for a Daniel JeanRichard chronoscope. I absolutely can not find a source anywhere. Ref # 25030 . So like I said thank you!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Typically the shops would replace the module with one that has been overhauled by DD themselves rather than service all the bits and pieces in it. It's not a great movement to work on, tbh 🤔

Also I wish you'd shown how you pressed the hands down...!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dario, me too 😂 I filmed it with my phone but when I checked the footage I basically only saw my own fingers and hands... I thought I had manage to keep them out of the camera but nope. I'll make sure I get it right next time 👍

I could not understand the broken screw extraction process as you illustrated it. Perhaps a little diagram would have put me right.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Pablo, a diagram is a good idea, maybe I should have done that. I wasn't really intending to make it a bit part of the video, thus the quick take. The way it works is that you have two runners, one for each end of the broken screw, and you tighten these so that they grab the screw from both sides. Then you simply rotate the plate with the stuck screw so that you unscrew the broken piece.

what brand are those tweezers?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

They are from Regine Horology and you can get them directly from them at info@regine.ch The model i use is 7A-BRA

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

They are from Regine Horology and you can get them directly from them at info@regine.ch The model i use is 7A-BRA

Do Omega really rather change the module than service it? What would they charge for the new module?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Bob, thanks for watching and for your comment! Yes, Omega would swap the entire module out and send it back to DD for refurbishment. I wouldn't know exactly how much they would charge but I would guess at least 300 euros, possibly more. Maybe someone else in the comments would know?

@jurivlk5433

2 жыл бұрын

It will cost you all your money, your wife, your car, your house and even more! Anyway, forget about the module, just service the ETA basic movement! If necessary.

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@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

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Wow, cool video! I'm not a watchmaker. But now I understand why Omega charged me 750€ to do a maintenance on my Speedy Reduced. And thus I've sold it in order to buy the Pro version.

@VintageWatchServices

10 ай бұрын

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I am in the top 30%! The SUBSCRIBERS! 😀 Oh. Now it doesn't seem like such a great accomplishment. 😐 Great channel, though.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, David, and congratulations on your achievement! 😂

Ω (OMEGA) and ETA belong to Swatch Group.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.

I was interested in one of these a few years back but was advised against buying one from my watchmaker... He said they are a nightmare and $$$$$ to repair and service 🤷‍♂️

Por favor traducción en español

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hola Arles, gracias por vernos y por tu comentario! Puede activar los subtítulos y luego traducirlos automáticamente al español. Esa es probablemente la mejor opción, ¡espero que funcione para ti!

27:13 🙋‍♂️🦶

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

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looks really hard to work on, specially the first time !!

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Anything is hard the first time, but having some experience is definitely advisable before trying to put all these floating pieces in the right spots...

Show 👏👏👏👏👏👏🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

😁😎👍👌

Mellow Yellow

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

That ain't no mellow kind of yellow! 😂

@MrLukealbanese

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices was a great video, as usual ;-)

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Luke! More to come, so stay tuned :)

I had to watch this again. I checked on ebarf for these watches and man alive they are freaking expensive . Was this a customers watch or one you bought? You had to pony up if you bought this one

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

It was one I bought to resell 👍

Does this watch have the most parts ?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Bob, thanks for watching! I didn't count the parts but there are plenty of them! I would think it's close to 200 (edit; probably less given no date complication, perhaps 160 or so in total). There are watches with over 600 parts, grandes complications 😁

@bigbob1699

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Please don't sneeze ! Stay well .

As an economics major, I'd be curious to know what price point Omega put this watch at when it was brand new, despite not having any actual Omega parts or engineering in it and practically zero OEM workmanship, save for final assembly.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Caledon, I honestly do not know, perhaps someone else in the comment section might? My best guess would be somewhere around $700-1000 when new in 1997.

@leestrada1

2 жыл бұрын

Omega did change this caliber. Omega has made their own movements in-house all of their history, but for the 80's and 90's, precisely this watch is from the 90's. In the 2000's they begin again making their on movements. In fact, Omega always maintained their movement for the Professional model, which was used even by Vacheron Constantin... But in this case, it isn't true that Omega didn't put their own parts, they did change this caliber, they changed part of the winding mechanism, which you won't find in any other ETA 2894-2, and they added 8 jewels in friction points. ETA 2894-2, has 37 jewels, not 45, as Omega 1140. Omega did the same in other ETA movements in the period when they used them, and from all the brands you can see that used these calibers without adding functions, 2894-2 and 2892A2, only Omega put their own engineering and much more finishing work. Breitling, Bulgari or GP, to name a few, didn't do any of that, they did use them as ETA delivered, and at most a little more finishing, never the upper plates, as Omega did with 2892A2.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Lee, thanks for watching and for your comment! Note that the ETA 2894-2 is not the same as this movement. 2894-2 is also a modular chronograph based on the 2892 family, but the chronograph module is made completely by ETA and differs signficantly from this DD module. Omega did make a few changes to the base of the 1140/41/3220, but they were honestly pretty minor and in my suspicious view made mostly to be able to call the movement an Omega and thereby being able to charge a higher price... that's my main gripe with this approach, that it seems driven by commercial interests rather than the product superiority Omega built their reputation on.

@leestrada1

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices They didn't need to change it to call it a caliber 1140. They did change the jewel count, the winding mechanism and the finishing. Is that minor? In comparison to making your own movement, as Omega always did before, or after, yes, but it is a brand that has never used off the shelf mechanical movements, not even here, and not even in their worst moments. Just compare this with Rolex not producing a single movement for an entre century and not changing an screw of them, or Breitling not even signing them. I think Omega was much more honest in this approach.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Lee, I wrote a response in the other thread where I'm trying to understand which difference you are referring to in jewel count. Perhaps we can continue the discussion in that thread? Less typing for both of us :) Rolex is not quite the same story, even if they technically bought movements from a third party they owned a large stake in Aegler and Aegler provided movements pretty much exclusively for Rolex since a hundred years back. Breitling is a cynical company for sure even though I commend them for finally starting to make their own movements. And don't even get me started on Panerai!

Works of art's love mechanical watches hate battery garbage watches.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah... some say quartz watches are the devil's work... 😎

@lablackzed

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Had 2 given to me throw them straight in the bin.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

You're living the dream, baby! 😂

Pro Tip: The key is will your kids be proud of you when they’re forty? It won’t be for the videos. It’ll be for muddling through like okay.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. What you think at 8 is ever so slightly different from what you think at 40 😂

I noticed on your website there is not an option to translate all of the site to English, very unfriendly seeing as you deliver the KZread channel in English. And the option to change currency from Francs to other major currencies like English Pounds or USD or Euro.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

The website is entirely in English :) Perhaps check your browser settings to see if it does auto-translate to your language? I'm not happy with the payment provider either, they're forcing the use of CHF while I want to use EUR, so I'm trying to figure out what can be done.

#105 Thumbs uP

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve :)

Time is a dead god Thoth 🌷🌑👍 rest in the good news 💐 Okay bye

But it runs slower after you serviced it...?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for watching! I'm not sure what you mean?

Seems like 3x the parts of the most complicated Rolex.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Something like that! 😂

of course it's an eta based movement . omega is a part o the swatch group. like eta .

All this mishmash of levers makes me feels dizzy. I have to admire the engineering but at the same time it perplexe me, same as looking under the hood of a Citroën DS. I wonder if it makes the weird noises too.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

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Why would Omega use an ETA movement? Do you think that it is a fake?

@redbed1604

2 жыл бұрын

I know that the ETA movement is a good movement, but it's available in a lot of much cheaper watches.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's certainly not a fake :) ETA and Omega are part of the same corporate group, so it makes a lot of sense commercially.

As an auto and heavy equipment mechanic. Watching these watchmaker videos, I always want to say. Come on! Get some lube on there. If I can't see it, it's not there, and if it's not squishing out, it's not enough. I know, I fix things with hammers. I know nothing of the delicate nuances of watchmaking. But it's such an instinct to want to see moving parts smothered in oil and grease.

@VintageWatchServices

Жыл бұрын

😁👍 Yes, watches and heavy machinery are somewhat different!

5:35: "More floating bits than the titanic.........." there's not many floating bits of titanic. sinking - yes; floating - not so much

That chronograph jumpstart is annoying...........

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Yes, it's not an uncommon thing with these movements...

It's "say-co"...not "psycho". lol

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

I say "say" like Crocodile Dundee does 😉

@neo-YoutubeStoleMyHandle

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices -- OK...lol

I love your videos, but I didn't get it this time. I won't put a finger down, because I respect your work and your previous videos, But... 1. As is well known, in Swiss watch industry, many brands buy movements from others. Omega is one of the brands that have produced more in-house movements, but stop doing so in the 80's and 90's, and again is making their own movements since the 2000's. Is a Patek Philippe Nautilus not a PP because it uses a JLC movement? Is a Royal Oak not a real AP because it uses the same JLC movement that used PP in the Nautilus? Are VCs that use Omega and JLC movements not real VCs? That is very completely against how Swiss watchmaking industry has been build for centuries. 2. Omega didn't just take an ETA 2894-2 and put it in their cases with a little decoration here and there, as one might get from your video. As you surely know, ETA 2894-2, uses 37 jewels... Omega modified parts in the winding mechanism, also for the 2892A2, and added jewels in friction points, without adding functions. Omega 1140 has 45 jewels, instead of 37. So, disputable issue. 3. They used two ETA mechanical movements, also some ETA quartz movements, also worked together with ETA for producing these, and the Valjoux 7750, because Omega went into bankruptcy in the 80's because of the quartz crisis, and the group that bought Omega was the same that both Valjoux, ETA and many other brands.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Lee, thanks for your well founded comment, I really appreciate that! You're absolutely correct in that the Swiss watchmaking industry is quite entangled and that various companies supply parts and services to each other across the entire spectre. Until the quartz crisis hit it was even mroe complicated than it is now even if they first tried streamlining things in the 1930's with ASUAG. JLC's moniker as the "watchmaker's watchmaker" stems from them providing base movements to the highest end brands, for instance, and Vacheron as an example would go on to change things like the balance and regulating system plus of course finish every single part of it to the highest standard. In my view, what Omega has done with the 1140/41/3220 is quite different, not necessarily technically, but commercially. They took an off the shelf movement, put on the DD module and made just a few minor changes in order to be able to somewhat defend calling the final product an Omega movement, with what that means in terms of customer perception and therefore sales price. I think that's a bit too cynical and they deserve a bit of heat for it, even if that heat comes from a small KZread channel :) Note that the 2894-2 is an ETA product and does not use a DD module, although the concept is also modular.

@leestrada1

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Many brands have done exactly what you describe. But my point is that Omega didn't need to change the movement in order to call it their 1140 caliber or whatever, that is something everyone has done, PP didn't change much of their JLC movement in the Nautilus... But Omega did change two things: 1. The jewel count is different. 2. The winding mechanism is changed. It is not an off the shelf movement. There is nothing new in this, Rolex, for instance, never changed an screw of the movements they didn't producer an entire century. That is perhaps "cynical", but Omega at its worst moment did made changes to improve. This DD module, by the way, has been used by AP and even by RM. ETA and Omega at this point were, and are, brands of the same Group. But, the fact is that Omega did change the caliber, to improve it. there are even papers on that. Do the jewels count, you will see it doesn't match with either ETA, nor DD.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Lee, I understand you have a lot of knowedge about these things but I'm not sure what you mean when you say the jewel count is different? Do you mean between Omega 1140/41 and ETA 2894-2? Those cannot be compared. The ETA 2894-2 is a 2892 base with an ETA chronograph module on top, it does not use the same chronograph module as the Omega 1140/41. The jewel count is of course different since it's a completely different module. The DD module used in Omega 1140/41 has 24 jewels and the base movement has 21. That adds up to 45. Is your point then that Omega thus asked DD to add jewels in the module?

@leestrada1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@VintageWatchServices No. I have some issues with your video, because I find it misleading. I know we are discussing very detailed and fine differences, but nevertheless. I'll explain: 1. Omega 1141 is an Omega 1120 with a DD 2020 module. Already there, the jewels count is different. But... 2. it isn't the only difference. Omega 1120 is not an "off the shelf movement." There are several changes between these two. To name some: Omega made their own automaton bridge, with smaller ball bearing, and their own gear train, and endshake corrector, which reduces the height difference between the auxiliary reverser and the rotor. this has also some other advantages. The jewels count is different, 23 vs 21, because of the ones used to hold the barrel in place. And of course the finishing, Rhodium plated, circular grained plates, bridges and rotor with Côtes de Genève, and even finishing in the upper side, which no one else did. Of course, also, Omega did their own rotor, which rides on small ball bearing. If all that, to you is an off the shelf movement from ETA, we have very different views on what "off the shelf" means. And, 3. Will you give the same warning when talking about other brands? You have talked about Rolex, or IWC, or others. Some of these used literally off the shelf movements without changing a thing and without producing a single movement, quite different from Omega. Why is Omega's case different or special, when they did change the movement, but you have never talked about this in others, and of course Rolex comes to mind, not being able to produce a single movement in the entire XXth century. It is just too gratuitous trashing.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

@@leestrada1 Hi Lee, you definitely know more than I do about the 1120, but the 1140/1141 is not based on 1120, they're based on the ETA 2890. Omega 1120 has 23 jewels and indeed some more significant improvements over 2892, but the 1140/41 uses the 21 jewel 2890. 21 jewels in the base plus 24 jewels in the DD module for a total of 45. 1140 was gold plated, 1141 rhodium plated, otherwise they're the same.

Probably one of the worst movement in history! In the ETA 2892, there are two wheels that are so near that they almost touch. And sometimes they touch and the watch stops. The reason why Omega used these cripple movements is obvious: The lebanese Jew wanted to save money. There are no Omega movements since around 1983 anymore, so why wonder?

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

The 2892 is a pretty solid movement overall although it has a couple of pretty bad flaws indeed. And the module approach is quite popular given that it allows companies to market a chronograph without much ado. Btw, please be careful with your language in these comments, I really don't want to see any wording like that.

@jurivlk5433

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Mister Hayek is a Lebanese Jew converted to orthodoxism. In my family, we are in the watch business since the 1930's and my father saw it all. As a small boy, I lived all the ruin of swiss watch industry, f.ex. when I waited for hours in the car whilst my father was buying some cheap stuff of that what once had been Certina, Tissot, Mido, Eternal. I still remember the pre-Hayek era when Tissot was "manufacture" and Omega went down from 2600 employees to 80. My father just left Omega before it was too late, in 1973, but lived the climax of Omega. Omega never became Omega again! Omega had the second IBM computer in entire Switzerland in 1964, after the university of Lausanne. It was a paradise on earth and the socially most advanced factory in Switzerland. In 1970, working conditions were like a million times better than today! At the beginning of the 1980's, Lebanese gangs were terrorising the jewelleries in Switzerland. Many were caught, many were not. It was a plague of unknown dimensions since it was a real mafia with its entire network. They broke into one shop after another for many years. Today, people have forgotten it and do celebrate Hayek, which is nothing else than a thief, a liar, a phoney and simply a crook. Look at your shit "Omega"! Case and dial made in China, ETA mouvement with Chinese made parts or entirely Chinese. The Certina factory where I was waiting for my father, today it's a warehouse for the parts and movements of the ETA sisters in China, the Pilipines, Malaysia, Thailand and so on. And nobody can distinguish a swiss movement made by ETA from a so-called " swiss parts-assembled in China". You know, Lebanese don't think as we think -they are orientals and not Europeans.

@jurivlk5433

2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Nevertheless, you seem to be quite a good and serious watchmaker. Although, today real watchmakers like in the good old days of my father (means: not just repairing watches and parts but really making wheels, axes, making calculations, designing wheels etc) are damn rare. I only know one guy, that is between complete madness and genious, that works like they worked in the 1940's!

Schumacher. So sad.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, when I saw your comment it indeed struck me I should have included a thought about him. Very sad how his life got turned upside down.

Looks like a fried egg.

@VintageWatchServices

2 жыл бұрын

Yum!