Have you ever bought a knockoff?

@Gamex996

5 жыл бұрын

yes and sometimes they are better than orignal

@absolutelynotlong

5 жыл бұрын

yub

@dennis.p

5 жыл бұрын

have you???

@subhadipojha277

5 жыл бұрын

Good job make different topics ♥️

@lotanori4231

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. did you?

Inventor : best idea ever! Knockoff : *it's free real estate*

@ayuchanayuko

5 жыл бұрын

Free R&D and Free Market Study

@jakefoster9651

5 жыл бұрын

Kevin Patra best comment 😂😂

@appleexposed4404

5 жыл бұрын

Apple : best idea ever! Android : *it's free real estate*

@fatloser6913

5 жыл бұрын

The true winner are usually the ones who capitalize on the idea then the ones who created it

This made me feel bad for those who work hard to make their Idea a reality.

@harshpherwani6590

5 жыл бұрын

It's a hard reality, rather be proud of them for standing up for their passion

@dontfeelcold

5 жыл бұрын

This is a part of life, embrace it and go with it.

@TheKingofdans

5 жыл бұрын

these are not "knock off" it's like saying every phone that came after the iPhone is a knock off. As long as the competition is not branding it as the original or has copied a patented design, it's not a knock off.

@Mr_Makina

5 жыл бұрын

@@jomsies but that's not what happened, can you even comprehend the situation in this video ?....

@brendansmith9677

5 жыл бұрын

Price it lower than the competition or get a patent.

I’m glad this will be a series. Tell all of these stories.

@TheVerge

5 жыл бұрын

thank you for watching, and there are more episodes to come! -Ashley

@LostMySauce

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerge Keep it up!

@muhammadhluqman4242

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@TakaIguchi

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. This was so good.

This is a smart and timely series. Great job surfacing something that is a consideration for all creators.

That book-lamp (lumio) guy is actually very smart Set up his own territory, move to the higher-price market, and premium quality products, even tho its very expensive ($200), its still a far premium product

That Lumio dude has charm maxed out.

This vid made me look into buying a Lumio. It costs $200. At that price you are just asking for knockoffs. If the original is sold a at reasonable price, most people will pay a bit more for authenticity. But when the "good enough" knockoff costs 1/5 of the orig. price, and it's on Amazon...you already know the outcome.

@Ketchuz

5 жыл бұрын

So, you bought the knockoff, right?

@Redorgreenful

5 жыл бұрын

Sure, though the product is so well-made that people who want to invest in a finely made product will buy it.

@AmazingJayB51

5 жыл бұрын

Knock off always break, and eventually end up being a waste of money. I bought knock off Bluetooth head phones, those shits broke in a few days!

@ettcha

5 жыл бұрын

I think the price is part of the response to the knock offs. He can't compete with someone who spent nothing on development, and litigation against every infringement would wipe him out. With that in mind, moving into the premium market, a small space that he could defend with his resources and make a decent return on low volumes, seems like a good compromise to me. He could have priced these at cost and still lost the price war.

@akshatsundriyal

5 жыл бұрын

But his target audience is the kind of people who would pay 200$ for a fancy book lamp

This is an amazing episode. Can't wait to see more episodes from this new series.

This is one of the best videos we've gotten from The Verge in a while ❤️

@TheVerge

5 жыл бұрын

thank you for watching! -Ashley

"We were all at the major publications, such as Time Magazine, TechCrunch, Gizmodo , NOT The Verge" Hahaha this part cracked me up

@ashishgurungchinesebro101

5 жыл бұрын

Without any pause. 🤣

@maya-cc2sx

5 жыл бұрын

3:34

@reyhanpradantyo

5 жыл бұрын

The one comment on youtube that the verge didn’t like haha

@moritzh6876

5 жыл бұрын

Didn’t he say “now The Verge”? It’s hard to be sure, but that would make more sense, I think

@KOSTNOT

5 жыл бұрын

But I’m glad the Verge aired him Saying that.

I'd buy a Lumio if it was under 100 $, but 200 is too much for a lamp at my current income level.

@annaingolfs

5 жыл бұрын

Andromeda Kai same!

@someone-go8ee

5 жыл бұрын

I think that's why he sells it exclusively at certain stores. He knows his clientele are more upper class and that they'll probably be the only ones to afford it. The design even has a more luxury tone to it.

@CuongNguyen-le5ic

5 жыл бұрын

Everything is expensive in first generation, as the inventors or company get more money, they will expand the production and thus lowering the cost by mass production. However, counterfeit just prevent all that. It's like someone who have lots of money and a whole production lines, waiting for something to copy and make it cheaper from the start to get all the profits.

@da14a49

5 жыл бұрын

Even with six figure income and me living by myself, I wouldn't buy a $200 lamp

@pietromartelletti

5 жыл бұрын

Then don’t buy it! You do not complain for a 2000$ bag, this is the same thing! If it would be 100$ people would complain anyway

I was part of a fast growing luxury eyewear company and we had the same issues when looking at China. We sent over a few team members to work with the factories on specifics of our manufacturing process that was not done in our vertical. Oddly enough as soon as we started a "small" batch for a few of our SKUs a couple months later we saw cheaper knockoff popping up all over the internet built with a half-a$$ version of our process. I always tell people who are thinking about going to China, or any outsourcing for that fact, to expect that your IP is gone the second you share outside of US protection. At times it's worth it, other times it's not.

If I remember correctly, there were multiple issues with the pressy thing, like delays, sideloaded app, design changes etc. It was not just clones.

That's partly the reason why xiaomi couldn't be the high-end brand in China which they really struggled in recent years... mimicking a direct competitor's product is one thing people can tolerate, but ripping off other individual's product is on a totally different level.

@OneDicz

5 жыл бұрын

张绍源 good point

@zsydeepsky2

5 жыл бұрын

@@Vysair their quality is indeed very good. but they struggled to leverage their brand into a high-end brand. they are almost locked to the bugget phone market.

@zsydeepsky2

5 жыл бұрын

@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw as I said, I have no problem with mimicking direct opponents' product, that's how business work and I like competitions. but direct ripoff other individuals' work, is the problem. a big company is already holding advantages to just negotiate a business deal with an individual, they can easily achieve a profitable contract without paying too much. it is morally wrong to rip someone off in these circumstances. and, don't get me wrong, I purchased many xiaomi stuff, just 2 weeks ago I bought 2 their phones for my parents. I'm satisfied with their quality, but still, I have to say I'm still angry about things they did like this.

@starrodkirby

5 жыл бұрын

@@zsydeepsky2 the first lesson in consumer capitalism is vote with your wallet. If doing all those things helped them dominate as a loss leader, bear the cost of buying from a competitor rather than rewarding them.

@hansolo3854

4 жыл бұрын

@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw calm down we had phones before Xiaomi and will also have them even if they stop.

A gadget maker's nost nightmare *JerryRigEveryting*

@DrGewaltPS3

5 жыл бұрын

Rizki Rach M falein like scratching the surface for mins

@mrj.o4556

5 жыл бұрын

Nost nightmare more like most nightmare

@meflea3675

5 жыл бұрын

Laughs in sapphire

@nickchan484

5 жыл бұрын

*scratches at level 6 and deeper groove at level 7*

@ikmnification5737

5 жыл бұрын

*exacto knife on metal sound*

4:32 I think he wanted to say that it is more difficult to duplicate the electrical components compared to the hardware, not that it is harder to protect.

Of course there's gonna be knock-offs when you make a $200 light

@Artyomthewalrus

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's probably why he doesn't really care about most knockoffs. People who would buy said knockoffs would likely never purchase his light in the first place. The portion of people who will pay $200 for a portable light is very niche, and they mostly all go to the same high end stores, so he only needs to protect that tiny sliver of the market

@CuongNguyen-le5ic

5 жыл бұрын

Everything is expensive in first generation, as the inventors or company get more money, they will expand the production and thus lowering the cost by mass production. However, counterfeit just prevent all that. It's like someone who have lots of money and a whole production lines, waiting for something to copy and make it cheaper from the start to get all the profits.

@n3wt

5 жыл бұрын

Shark tank guy

@1ro868

5 жыл бұрын

Ya... Ppl pay for his idea and research . Not for few hours production of the product Unfortunately of course, knock off is just stealing someone years of hardwork and then be more successful.

@Tsusagi

4 жыл бұрын

Aredo Plloci Of course you're gonna get sweatshops with awful working conditions if you want to produce cheap merchandise and still make a profit 🤷🏻‍♀️ I fail to see what kind of point you're trying to make here. There's no free meal.

Reminds me of all those Fidget Cubes/Fidget Spinner knockoffs during that fad.

@achromatopsic

5 жыл бұрын

agreed

@rachelcookie321

5 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even know where to buy a real fidget spinner

@MajorisMons

5 жыл бұрын

Same with those, "hover boards".

@massv953

5 жыл бұрын

pffttt I had ball Bering assemblies 30 years ago that operated like a fidget spinner and you could actually do useful things with them...

@yoshi0k262

5 жыл бұрын

@@massv953 r/iamverysmart

I really liked how you introduced us to these genius creators and pointed out how tough it is to survive in the market. Continue this series, I will be waiting for more stories. Good job!!

10:45 Phone: I'm out here! The man: No you don't go anywhere.

One thing the knockoffs can't "knock-off" is service.... If people/customer like and are addicted to YOUR service will always come to you no matter what

@suraj.inamati

5 жыл бұрын

This is very true.

@livehardordieeasy701

5 жыл бұрын

True but what service you will provide in freaking lamp?!

@odeiraoloap

5 жыл бұрын

Just ask Xiaomi.

@ChibiKeruchan

5 жыл бұрын

sadly... america is a country of spoiled brat. they don't serve anyone. LOL

@Ucuz_

5 жыл бұрын

For smartphone knockoff company, they use Android with google service to solve that problem

I really enjoyed this and the other 2 episodes. Hearing about such experiences is really valuable. Thanks

May this series never stops! It surpassed my expectations, thumbs up for you, The Verge Team. Thanks.

Great format, I love it. Also has the right pace, very comfortable to watch!

LOL, Xiaomi just stole their production chain oh my god

@PlsDontSuuue

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe make something more complicated than a button LOL

Excellent video! And very important video! Thanks! Eagerly waiting for more such videos.

This was fantastic, well researched, well edited, and well told. I hope this series will continue

Lumio cost 200. Amazon clones cost 20 . Probably it cost 15 to make in both cases.

@Mkrabs

5 жыл бұрын

20? more like 2-5

@addledhead

5 жыл бұрын

Lumio is clearly much brighter, uses more precise sensors to activate, uses powerful magnets to increase functionality, has a 12 hour battery life (even with the much brighter light), and uses real wood/quality materials. There's definitely a mark up to cost $200, but there's also no way it only cost $15 to make and get to market.

@addledhead

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the $200 price tag of Lumio is probably because the knockoffs forced him to focus on the upper class wealthy art design community, so in all likelyhood Lumio would be cheaper if people couldn't just rip off the design and undercut the market with lower quality fakes.

@jotatsu

5 жыл бұрын

@@addledhead Lumio first batch was 85 early bid in kickstarter , 125 launch price, 165 for a while. I bet the original and the knockoff are both made in china. Batteries, leds and sensors are really cheap (just look alibaba), maybe there is little on the wood price, but doubt it adds much. This is a 10x difference between the knockoff and the real product is not justified on manufacture cost.

@MrNateSPF

5 жыл бұрын

@@addledhead If it was closer in price that would drastically cut the market for knockoff items. It's not hard to spend a few extra dollars on a product that's superior, over $100 more because it fades a little better is crazy.

I hope I can develop attitude like that pressy guy.

@saleh.hashmi

5 жыл бұрын

he is not that mad cuz he knows the headphone era has died with in itself. He could have made a few extra bucks but headphones are eliminated but non other than manufacturers themselves and no one asked for that.

@emmittmorgans8076

5 жыл бұрын

Nimrod.

@windowpane

5 жыл бұрын

Beaten into submission? :P

ironic.... I just finished playing a game on my SOMY PLAYSTASHUN before watching this! 😯

Creator: this is a great idea China: let me see it

This single video is going to be a real earth shaker for a lot of innovators. Thanks to the verge for making such a video.

I am an Intellectual Property lawyer in India. And my job is to file lawsuits against producers of such knock offs. And you won't believe the variety and creativity of the rights violations. A very timely series. We are in the knowledge economy and intellectual property is the key differentiator.

Mistake: going on Shark Tank to publicize your product prematurely. Solution: going on The Verge to publicize your legal strategy.

I'm a creative person, and would like to think that a product I create would be protected if I brought it to market. On the other hand, I think that some ideas are so simple and are so derivative of other ideas, that they should not be protected. The button thing is a headphone pause/play button without headphones, and very similar devices are used as shutter remotes on cameras. The book lamp is basically a book with an LED glued to it. Anybody could make either of them in their own home in 10 minutes after watching just this video. In cases like these, the real problem is that a patent was granted. Having said that, there are some really novel and complex designs and products that are ripped off, and I would like to hear more about how those fight the copycats.

LIKED IT. There is not much videos about these type of contents. Will definitely love it if the series continues.

That spinnning top "Limbo" is definitely inspired by Inception

@FuzGoesRiding

5 жыл бұрын

Great way to prank someone into questioning their own reality.

@cuhleef

5 жыл бұрын

It's not considered a knock off though since Warner Bros. isn't selling those.

@JesuaJCR

5 жыл бұрын

@@cuhleef and who said it was a knock off? 🤔

@cuhleef

5 жыл бұрын

@@JesuaJCR I thought you were insinuating that they ripped off Limbo. My Bad.

@JesuaJCR

5 жыл бұрын

@@cuhleef it's cool, no problem 👌

I like the topic you chose to talk about. Keep it up.

An excellent first episode! I hope the first of many others, looking to the next one. Good work Ashley!

GREAT video!! Good advice and helps put things into perspective. Looking forward to watching more of these videos!

Really liked the first episode of this new series.

10:45 what a catch lol

@nimrodback5418

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, man. I didn't even remember it, also when I watched it (because of your comment) I missed it 3-4 times.

I appreciate the tone and approach you took in this article. Thank you!

Looking forward to the rest of these series. I love the attitude of the smart inventors in this episode.

A very genuine video. Really important advice for creators starting out. Good Job!

That book light is actually so cool!

Loved every part of this video, hope to see more of this kind of videos.

Very excited for this series, I hope there are many more to come!

This was great. She’s a really good host. Looking forward to more from this series!

@TheVerge

5 жыл бұрын

thank you for watching! -Ashley

I literally just subscribed to see what would come next in this series. Great work here!

Just loved it , amazing info about the backstage life of the creators .. looking forward to watch more episodes from this new series :)

Pressy didn't fail because of knockoffs But because of COURAGE

@z3lop59

5 жыл бұрын

I think ist mainly due to software issues.

@25maxman

5 жыл бұрын

Took me a while but I got it

@aravindr4986

5 жыл бұрын

@@nkkm5926 Google it 😂

@aravindr4986

5 жыл бұрын

I got it 👍

@nonnnth

5 жыл бұрын

They could do a USB-C/lightning version of that, as long as there's a hole in your device.

I remember Lumio in Shark Tank.

Loved the video! I really like series about how anything is made and the challenges there

Interesting stories! I look forward to seeing more and especially learning how those problems were dealt with!

I think, another ways to combat knockoff are 1. Have the product ready to release when you announce them. I have bought kickstarter items 3 years ago which I still haven't received, of course I'm gonna buy something else. 2. Be priced to compete with the knockoff. If your product sells for $50 and there's another product out there that does the same thing that sells for $20, even if it's not as good quality or have some features missing, people would tend to buy that other product instead.

This is very well done The Verge. More of this kind of high quality content.

This was a really great video! Happy to hear it's going to be a series!

Nicely produced Ashley, this series is off to a great start. I'm looking forward to the next episode.

I think I have a Lumio knockoff. I found it at a Goodwill in with the books and got it at half off the price of a hardcover book. So, under $1, brand new.

@bubblegumplastic

5 жыл бұрын

Great find

Really interesting series! Looking forward to the next episodes. Just curious with the next episodes in this series, whats the scope of "creators" in this series?

@TheVerge

5 жыл бұрын

hmm so i can't give away too much, but the creators will all be independent gadget makers! -Ashley

@AnesuC

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerge Ok sounds good! Thanks for the reply!

I really like when you guys make content like this. Please keep it up!

Great video, keep making videos like these!!! It would also be amusing if you guys made a video about how some creator started their company.

When you see your device up on Kijiji and AliExpress...THE WORST

Never have I ever seen so much positivity in The Verge comments. Well played.

Awesome episode of In The Making-- one of my favorite Verge videos yet. I've got 2 Lumios and I absolutely LOVE them. However, Lumio's company support leaves something to be desired. I had an issue with my first that was still in warranty, but the company didn't respond to my warrranty query until the product's warranty had expired. They then instructed me to send my old Lumio to their China office for a 50% off code on a new Lumio. The shipping to China would have cost me just as much as a new Lumio! Still, I bought a second Lumio when the time came because it's such a unique and charming product. I even bought a knock-off (and then returned) from Amazon to compare it to the original Lumio and it doesn't even compare.

Great series, this was a great watch!

It always comes down to the consumers, if they're being cheap, they'll go for the knockoffs, but if they're really interested in the product, they'll always return to the product associated with the brand, Lumio for example.

the phone catch in the end is so soothing to my soul 10:44

My lesson from this - 'Don't take it personally.' Can't wait for more of this series. 🔥🔥🔥

This is an incredible video and I can't wait to see more. I feel like this only scratched the surface and would love for a further dive into the discussions revolving around IP

Max's jawline is sharper than my knock-off Ginsu knife!

And that's why uncertified lighting cables won't work with your iOS device. Great new series Ashley.

@jesusllanas9318

5 жыл бұрын

That's more of apple wanting money

@makatron

5 жыл бұрын

@@jesusllanas9318 greedy AF, USB C for life! Or whatever I can buy from anker.

@diiarno

5 жыл бұрын

@@jesusllanas9318 at least they are smart when it comes to getting more money

@jesusllanas9318

5 жыл бұрын

@@diiarno yea but we rant we try to save money by outsourcing then they steal the idea and boom you lost more than you would ever save

@bri1085

5 жыл бұрын

@@diiarno the consumer loses though

Thank you for sharing this perspective of making a product, it's really interesting !

Thank you SO much for this. I'm about to get my bachelor's in product design engineering and I can see these series being very useful to me :)

WAAAITTT A MINUTE. When the video started , I felt really bad and for the dude who made the pressy and wanted to buy one just for that And then in the end they tell me he is the one making the limbo , my first ever Kickstarter backing 😂😂

MI fanboys left the chat 😂😂😂😂

@500MTH

5 жыл бұрын

on the contrary, giggling silently.

@64bit-

5 жыл бұрын

*_laughs in xiaomi mi 9_*

@innerinquiry

5 жыл бұрын

Mi rips off apple designs

@aravindr4986

5 жыл бұрын

@@innerinquiry Everyone in the tech industry does this

@praveenneevarp4822

5 жыл бұрын

@@aravindr4986 he mainly means the design. Look at the mi 8, it looks soo similar to the iPhone x.

Love Ashley and this type of content. More of this please!

Seriously enjoyed this! Thanks!

Thanks for reminding me to never buy a xiaomi product

@magic_cfw

5 жыл бұрын

Its your loss.

@OneDicz

5 жыл бұрын

-CFW. Magic- what kind of loss? He can afford to buy other brands

@magic_cfw

5 жыл бұрын

@@OneDicz He can't say he has a xiaomi (though, joking aside, didn't like their phones... at least the ones I had encountered)

@punishedredruby

5 жыл бұрын

Same here

@movinperera

5 жыл бұрын

Same here

This is what happened when you manufacture everything in China

@Adit422

5 жыл бұрын

Mantul!

@brunohebert1351

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I was wondering if someone would mention that. At least during the early stages prototyping/1st batch, 2nd batch keep it close and out of sight.

@whereismycrewyo

5 жыл бұрын

Reaching out us manufacturer would be the best ideas although expensive for these peeps

@Artyomthewalrus

5 жыл бұрын

@@brunohebert1351 Keeping it close and out of site isn't really possible when you need to advertise what your product is to raise money a full year or two before it's ready to be released.

Great series. Keep it up Ashley loved your snap stories back in the day

@TheVerge

5 жыл бұрын

gadget thirst trap! hah a great throwback. thanks for watching :) -Ashley

@utkarshmangal2650

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerge love the walking down narrative! Waiting for the next one. :)

This series & Better Worlds are amazing content from the Verge

And that's why you should finish your product before unveiling it.

@OvPdTurtle

5 жыл бұрын

You can't finish it if you don't have the money.

@anwen6864

5 жыл бұрын

let me present airpower

@nonnnth

5 жыл бұрын

@@OvPdTurtle true, but if you tell anybody, you risk giving away your intellectual property.

"We were on all major publications , TIME mag., TechCrunch...NOT on Verge".

This is a refreshing new series in the world of tech... I'm glad The Verge is looking into it

Very much excited about the new series. Really helps young creators by giving them a heads up on what lies ahead. And yes its good entertainment too 😊

@chaoukitarf5640

3 жыл бұрын

Cxl

This is not fair. I don’t know if it’s only Chinese companies that still knock offs but they should be blocked or at least regulated.

@odeiraoloap

5 жыл бұрын

Except the consumers *ACTIVELY SUPPORT* the knockoff companies because their products are significantly cheaper than the original thing...

@praveenneevarp4822

5 жыл бұрын

@@odeiraoloap for consumers it might seem good but it really hurts the company that actually created it.

@MrDiego40

5 жыл бұрын

Dude have you turn your head to mexico? they do a lot of confety products and no one bats an eye...

@rxonmymind8362

5 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest. You think the US didn't do their fair share of ripping off other countries ideas? We were number ONE in espionage for decades. Now China has caught up to us. Payback is fair.

@bri1085

5 жыл бұрын

@i blocked ads to watch this video so should the global consumer suffer because American companies aren't competitive?

10:46 spidey sense

This was awesome. More of this please!

great series ...would love to watch more depths of it...!!

Yep, if you have a gimmicky duh idea it can be knocked off just as easy.

I'm watching this in my Xiaomi Redmi Note 4x and I feel bad now.

@zacklumahoowoo4765

5 жыл бұрын

At least huawei have something original at least

@aravindr4986

5 жыл бұрын

@@zacklumahoowoo4765 They are not any different,they do reverse engineering.

@zacklumahoowoo4765

5 жыл бұрын

@@aravindr4986 Well better than outright knocking off the damn thing don't u agree

@hihi-fo3lm

5 жыл бұрын

they even stole folding screen technology from Samsung ffs

@DancingTiger

5 жыл бұрын

@@hihi-fo3lmboth folding phones came out roughly at the same time, hard to see how they stole the design

This happened to my company, although not in the tech market, it was a design based business. It broke my heart and ultimately lead to my company winding up. Needless to say, I took it very personally. Wish I could have separated my self from it and treated it as ‘just business’. Wise words.Cheers.

Awesome video there! I am really looking forward to the next one ! And yes, I have purchased a knock-off. Many times it has been for me the only way to kinda try out the product without spending a too much money.

well they shouldn't have priced a simple headphone jack connector with a button that high, the knockoffs are 1/10th the price.....and I really don't believe they have a patent for pressy.

@1121494

5 жыл бұрын

They had to cover the overhead for investment in the tooling. The very tools that their knock-offs then used without any investment overhead. Should have gone after the production partner.

I feel bad but the knock offs are just cheaper and sometimes better ngl

@maindepth8830

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Awesome video, thanks for making it! Can't wait to see more

Excellent insight Ashley! Good to see you too - more please. Plenty going on in MobileSpace - Huawei needs reviewing at this level, and deeper!