Quick correction: Upon re-listening to my interview with Jerry, I realized I was wrong about the bear fight sequence. It was not completed early--it sounds like it was actually done later in the movie. Either way, due to time constraints, the higher-ups didn't have time to go back and refine it (i.e. water it down).

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

​@@sirhenrymorgan1187also on the villains wiki listed Kuzco , Jumba and Scratch as villains

@sirhenrymorgan1187

11 ай бұрын

​@@nicholassims9837Grunkle Stan as well.

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@sirhenrymorgan1187 Kuzco and Jumba to an extended I can see as villains but why would Scartch and Grunkle Stan count?

@sirhenrymorgan1187

11 ай бұрын

@@nicholassims9837 Interestingly, the Disney Wiki considers Jumba a villain while the Villains Wiki does not. Beast, Kuzco, Stan, and Scratch are the only major heroic/anti-heroic Disney protags with Villains Wiki entires. Their crimes are described as follows: Beast -Abuse -Attempted murder -Extortion -False imprisonment -Poaching Kuzco -Abuse of power -Assault -Attempted murder -Blackmail -Cheating -Conspiracy -False imprisonment -Frameup -Identity theft -Mass killing -Physical abuse -Theft -Vigilantism Stan -Abuse -Assault -Cheating -Coercion -Conspiracy -Counterfeit -Cruelty to animals -Doomsday device -Embezzlement -Endangerment -Extortion -Faked death -False imprisionment -Forgery -Fraud -Grave robbery -Identity fraud -Identity theft -Illegal drug trade -Indecent exposure -Murder -Mutilation -Sabotage -Smuggling -Theft -Vandalism Scratch -Cheating -Frameup -Gaslighting -Malice -Robbery -Sabotage -Spirit possession -Theft

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@sirhenrymorgan1187 does the villains wiki have editors that assume Belle as Stockhold Syndrome ? When did Stan kill someone?. It seems rather forced for Scrarch to count as a villain as ghosts were forced to serve the chairman and are just doing there jobs much like in Monsters Inc. Plus Scratch for the most part didnt know why the Chairman wanted everyone miserable. Also Sprinte Possession? By that logic then Danny Phantom should count as a villain . Really the only one that makes sense is Kuzco who stated out as a villain protagonist.

_The Fox and the Hound_ has more similarities, storywise, with another book, _The Ballad of the Belstone Fox,_ in which, hunters put a baby fox in a litter of hounds so they become more familiar with what they'll be tracking. One pup becomes especially fond of the fox, and from there, the story follows similar story beats as the Disney movie. I've heard theories that someone at Disney wanted to adapt this story, but a live action movie already existed. So, they got the rights to Mannix's book instead, and mixed elements from the two, although no sources confirm this. Perhaps this could explain why the movie was so softened up.

@RogueT-Rex8468

11 ай бұрын

Ah yes! Cardinal West actually covered this controversy in spectacular detail. It’s a very amazing coverage if you want to know more on the subject.

@sabertooth3studioshq838

11 ай бұрын

Thats what I said

for all of the issues TF&TH had in development and in the final product, the ending when Copper stops Slade from shooting Tod is one of the most amazing, powerful scenes I've seen in a Disney movie.

@Ozzygirl17

11 ай бұрын

If anything, this can be used as a cautionary tale of how far you can fall in the name of revenge. Very enlightening to have someone who actually worked on the movie about 40 years ago. It’s funny “A Goofy Movie” is brought up in this retrospective, since not only is it the last time we hear Pat Butram’s voice in Disney but also his only non villain role.

@elmasterdezoologia6641

11 ай бұрын

@@Ozzygirl17 Does Napoleon from the Aristocats not count? He's not really a villain, more like a neutral party

@pridelander06

11 ай бұрын

Copper's look and gentle whimper said so much in that scene. 🥺

@Ozzygirl17

11 ай бұрын

@@elmasterdezoologia6641Fair point to make. I guess, in my mind, I thought since Edgar was getting hurt and Lafayette was getting bullied (by Napoleon), it counted. I recognize that the dogs were being dogs.

@Ozzygirl17

11 ай бұрын

@@pridelander06I didn’t realize until years later that you actually can hear Slade calling out to Copper right after getting stuck in the trap.

It's so interesting to me that Todd's mom's fate was intended to be somewhat ambiguous. I've never interpreted it (as a kid or now) as being anything other than her death. I think the sound cues have a lot to with that. The whole time the tension and music is building, then she runs over the hill and out sight, a final gunshot rings out, and the music abruptly cuts off. The chase is over, and Todd is left alone.

@theadaptationstationmaster

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, the whole thing seems to imply she got shot.

@RogueT-Rex8468

11 ай бұрын

Same. Seemed cut and dry to me.

@amberwingtundrawing776

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I always assumed she died anyway so it backfired on their part. As a kid I figured she would've gotten him if she was still alive

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

That was a surprise to me, too. I always knew she was dead, even from a young age. However, I saw Bambi when I was even younger, and that famously tragic scene went straight over my head. I guess 2-year-olds can't grasp anything that's even vaguely subtle.

@the13throse

11 ай бұрын

That censorship choice is baffling to me. This is the same studio infamous for the deaths of Bambi's mother and later, Mufasa.

It's crazy how they showed Amos shooting the bear point blank and having him be barely effected and even more angry/now bloodlusted which is suprisingly realistic... in real life shooting a bear is one of the stupidest things you can do unless you're a crazy good shot and are at a safe distance. That bear basically went fafo

@vetarlittorf1807

11 ай бұрын

He shouldn't have shot the bear at all. The bear was obviously just trying to scare Amos off because it was protecting its territory. A hunter of all people should have known that.

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

Still it was a panic moment and when you panic you don't think straight

@juicebox7372

11 ай бұрын

​@vetarlittorf1807 Bro, it's a cartoon bear, for all we know that mf could just be evil

@vetarlittorf1807

11 ай бұрын

@@juicebox7372 He's not depicted as evil, but as an animal. So no.

@poppie267

11 ай бұрын

@@vetarlittorf1807 Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnson made a book about their opinion about Disney villains. And they did say something similar about the Bear and also of the Rat from Lady and the Tramp.

Fun fact: this was one of the first movies Tim Burton worked on for Disney. He did Vixie's animation. Apparently, it was difficult for him to get the classic Disney style down. His own words (paraphrasing): "My foxes always looked more like roadkill". Burton would go on to submit character and monster designs for The Black Cauldron. Sadly, none of Burton's work went into the final project, which devastated him.

Fun Fact When Corey Burton voiced Shockwave in Transformers (the G1 cartoon) he based his performance on David Warner as an homage to his role as the Master Control Program so the fact that he then voiced the MCP for the People Mover ride and KH2 is interesting and kind of goes full circle

@dylans.1741

11 ай бұрын

Something similar happened when Bill Farmer voiced the Sheriff of Nottingham in House of Mouse, because he has said that Goofy's voice was inspired by that of Pat Butram, who was the Sheriff's original VA

@maldon3659

11 ай бұрын

That's funny to me because G1/TF:Animated Shockwave sounds more like Sark than The MCP

Actually Pat Buttram was also Napoleon the Bloodhound in The Aristocats before he was the sheriff of Nottingham. So actually he went from voicing a hound, to voicing a wolf, to voicing a wolfhound.

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

Oddly poetic, isn't it?

@jdpragmatic8644

11 ай бұрын

@@ColinLooksBackAlmost forgot, he voiced the moonshine loving muskrat from The Rescuers as well

As a hunter, I agree that being stuck in the woods with a bear after me would be a real nightmare. My grandpa pointed out a set a fresh bear tracks when we went hunting about five years back and it’s the reason I went and got a handgun permit a month later for a side arm the next year just in case. Also, neither this movie or Bambi made me feel demonized as a hunter because I don’t know any upstanding deer hunter who uses dogs and Bambi’s mom was taken out of season, so she was taken by a poacher, not a hunter. And Slade isn’t a bad hunter, he’s a guy protecting his farm animals from what her perceives as a threat since he can’t talk to Todd. Also, I really love his and Chief’s calm music. It makes me think of an early morning at the cabin or camping, warm coffee in hand as you watch the rest of the world wake up with you.

As someone who lives in a rural area that is very rapidly being developed (there's even a chip production plant currently being built not 20 minutes from my house that will result in a 60 mile radius being radically urbanized, I'm watching everything change in real time), the book REALLY hits hard for me these days...

@KammybRich7000

11 ай бұрын

Yeah there was a fox attack in Massachusetts this past week on some lady cleaning out her car and they're getting more common out this way mostly attributed to what we call edge effect. Pretty sad

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

@@KammybRich7000 I know what you're talking about--I have family in West Roxbury, and I remember when coyotes began wandering in their yard.

30:55 The funny thing about Strange World is that, to me, the movie "forgot" to have a villain and just randomly created one during the climax, just to have a bit of tension. That character was barely developed and she just randomly flipped at the main cast, only to have the situation resolved in literally five minutes with no repercussion whatsoever

@QueenOfDarknes5

10 ай бұрын

I say her being a villain from the start would totally make sense. She did go along with the plant plan at the start and not the original discovery mission like planned because it's the fastest solution, which also gets her famous fast. She becomes president. She starts the next mission and is a part of it to get even more fame. There is literally a guy (the pilot) in the movie that gets eaten and noone bets an eye. She is ice cold to her own man. She learns that the island is a living turtle. And here the story goes "she just doesn't know and as soon as she believes it, everything is fine and she is understanding". If she, like I suspected, doesn't care about long-term effects, then she would simply not care, and it would fit so well with the overall theme. The good guys want to save the island to ensure surviving for generations after them even if they have to sacrifice comfort of their generation and lose their hero status. While the villain only cares about the here and now. Some monologue about the death of the island only being the problem of future presidents and how she will be even more praised than before and get bigger statues.

No wonder don bluth wanted to leave. The execs always have been a headache but at the same time i do like what we at least got as a product which is a bittersweet story with a gray antagonist and the less said about the sequel the better.

@brandonlyon730

11 ай бұрын

To bad Don would still have to constantly but heads with execs even when he and Goldman went on there own, especially after All dogs go to heaven.

I'm still amazed by the fact that Amos was played by classic Grandpa Joe. Beyond that, Amos is still an intriguing antagonist for being a more grounded character, while still being threatening to Tod. Plus it's sweet seeing him genuinely care for his dogs. It's also amazing that you got to chat with one of the film's animators and learn more about the movie's production. Everything Rees said was very insightful.

I never saw Slade as a villain. He was just a grumpy old man who thought Tod was harassing his animals and wanted him to stop.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I mean you can understand the old man's annoyance. He doesn't know Todd he just knows the wild animals he's seen. Plus he does come around when he needs to.

@qwerty77772

11 ай бұрын

Slade is the first in the catagory of reformed villains, which aren't common in the main Disney canon. We only got Amos Slade, John Silver, Bowler Hat Guy, and Namaari. Every other villain redemption is in expanded universe materials.

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@qwerty77772 does Ti Kee from Moana count ?

@qwerty77772

11 ай бұрын

@@nicholassims9837 I consider Te Ka to be more a tragic victim than anything else. She needed to be saved, not stopped.

@frogglen6350

11 ай бұрын

Well personally, I don't like how he bullied the teen titans

It might sound a little daffy of me to say it, but I feel as if Slade is the precursor of how Ghibli do their villains. The only true villains that they have is Colonel Muska and Lord Cob. Also, the bear sequence is what inspired Masaaki Uasa (Lu Over the Wall, Kaiba) into animation, amongst other animated works, both native and foreign. In regards to the current state of Disney Villains, I am actually alright with it. I simply have to be patient and if the villains did return, then our patience will pay off. Another point about Strange World, I do not view that particular scene which the film "made fun" of traditional storytelling as making fun of us longing for that. I simply didn't feel that way. Perhaps I am more naive.

One of my favorite bits of trivia about Fox and the Hound is how much Tim Burton hated working on it because he can't draw "cute"

@tristanpetty7173

11 ай бұрын

Not traditionally cute anyway. (Hi, Zero.)

@TheTrumpReaper

3 ай бұрын

C'mon, Frankenweenie? (I am a sucker for Miniature Bull Terriers.)

@harmonetheanimationaddict4419

3 ай бұрын

Yep. That sounds like him.

You know i think amos in the house of mouse would sit at the anti villain table with long john silver. Mostly because they wouldnt fit with the other villains. Just imagine he and mcleach interacting both are hunters but even amos would find him horrid since hes a poacher and wonders if mcleach is what he could have become if he tossed all morals.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

You can see the difference between him and another hunter like Gaston who isn't killing for food or fur but to do it for the sake of showing off. Amos is a normal guy pretty much who enjoys his privacy

@KaminoKatie

11 ай бұрын

Amos and Long John Silver are anti-villain allies

@92JazzQueen

11 ай бұрын

@@lightdarksoul2097 I think amos would think he's a blowhard and maybe challenge him to hunting.

@brandonlyon730

11 ай бұрын

I like to think of a head cannon that Frollo from hunchback would absolutely hate being associated with the villains with him thinking everything he did was right “in name of the Lord” and should be with heroes, despite all the horrible things he’s done and refused to admit what he did was evil. The other Disney villains would hate being around him since all he does is complain being around evil people and always insults them directly, no matter how many times they say how big of a hypocrite he is..

@92JazzQueen

11 ай бұрын

@@brandonlyon730 I love that idea

Amos Slade is probably the greyest villain in Disney's arsenal.

I appreciate the inclusion of Tron, that has a underrated villain with a cool design

Even though we’re lacking in movie villains now a days Disney tv show villains still going strong like bill, core, and belos

49:15 fun fact Corey Burton said he based the voice of Shockwave in Transformers G1 off of Warner’s performance as Sark from TRON so it’s fitting that he got to voice Sark here

@JohnWilliams-wl9px

11 ай бұрын

My favorite story about Corey Burton is that he said Christpher Lee hesitated to do the 08 Clone Wars film, because Lee was so impressed with Burton of impression of him.

*Disney* We can't kill off Chief, it will traumatize the kids! *AlsoDisney* Hey, for the climax let's have the 2 leads get feral/fight a Satan bear with lots of bloodshed.The kids'll love it!

@92JazzQueen

11 ай бұрын

Disney logic

@mightyfilm

11 ай бұрын

It cannot be stressed enough that the late 60's and early 70's saw the rise of parental advocacy groups sanitizing kid's programming. That's why cartoons from the 70's were very much blander and less action oriented. I call it the "Batman can't throw a punch Era." So I do not blame Disney for being so afraid of getting an avalanche of angry letters from Action for Children's Television. Is it cowardly and hypocritical? Sure is. But it's also the reason why the Super Friends couldn't fight any of their villains until 1978.

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@mightyfilm heres also Tom and Jerry show 1975 that made them friends

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

Shiiit that bear be crazy

@mightyfilm

11 ай бұрын

@@nicholassims9837 Frustratingly airing next to the actual Tom and Jerry cartoons where they constantly try to injure each other. While I'm not saying Action for Children's Television didn't do a few good things, the whole movement was based on overreaction, and the studios and networks took notice.

I've only seen The Fox and the Hound a few times growing up, but it managed to leave a distinct impression on me. It's a really good movie, kind of a hidden gem from the "Dark Age" of Disney (between when Walt died and the Disney Renaissance). It's definitely lighter than the book it's based on, but it still keeps the mostly somber tone coupled with a bittersweet ending. It's not without its flaws, though, I genuinely think the film would have been a lot stronger if Chief died when hit by that train. He doesn't do much afterward, not to mention Amos seems kind of dismissive of him while planning his revenge, which kind of goes against the point of why he's dead-set on going after Tod in the first place. Then again, perhaps you can interpret this instance as Amos's anger and need for revenge overriding his sense of reason at that point... On the topic of Amos Slade (it IS one of the key subjects of today's video, after all), I actually saw a video a month or so back called "Disney's Best Anti Villain - Appreciating The Fox And The Hound" by a KZreadr named "KeyTheLich". It's a very well-made video, highly recommend watching it, and full disclosure, I'm going to borrow some observations from it with what I'm about to say. Key basically gave the game away in the title of his video by calling Amos an "anti-villain", because while he does do things which one could call "villainous", in particular illegally trespassing on a game reserve to kill a specific fox under the pretense that it's not truly "hunting" in his mind, he ultimately isn't that bad of a person. Throughout the movie, he's mostly just a benign, if quick-to-anger, farmer and hunter, who quickly develops a grudge against Widow Tweed's pet fox Tod over a misunderstanding. He doesn't fully let go of this grudge even as time passes and when both Tod and Amos's hound dog Copper become adults, when Tod winds up on Amos's property again (though only just to check in with Copper) and Amos makes good on his promise to kill Tod should the fox ever show up on Amos's property again. Chief getting hit by a train (mostly by accident on Tod's part) is what finally pushes Amos over the edge and decide he's going to kill that fox no matter what. Having said all that, what I find noteworthy about Amos is at the end of the movie, where after Tod saves both Copper and Amos from an attacking bear, Amos is about to shoot a now defenseless and tired Tod but Copper steps in the way, and eventually, Amos backs down and leaves. As a kid, I always thought that scene was odd, since I though "why would Amos care if Copper is friends with Tod?" As an adult, and thanks to KeyTheLich's video, I think I finally get what's going through Amos's head in that instance. A line I overlooked as a kid was how Widow Tweed calls out Amos's anger, saying it'll eventually be the death of him, which it almost was in the case of his anger at Tod leading to that bear attack. Copper standing in the way of Amos and Todd is what finally made Amos actually stop and think about what he was doing. Whatever he thought Tod did to him, it wasn't worth all this trouble just to "get back" at Tod, especially since killing Tod isn't going to change anything about what happened. What I especially love about this scene upon rewatching it is how the animators managed to convey what's going through Amos's mind as he thinks this over; the managed to silently tell the audience why Amos backs down using only the expressions on Amos's face. Seriously, the animators deserve all the credit in the world for how the managed to tell this story and show characterization in this movie, which is all the more upsetting that they ended up having arguments with the newer leadership at Disney over certain aspects of this movie, leading to a lot of animators quitting the Disney Company, including Don Bluth, who ended up founding his own competing studio and making several of his own memorable movies in the process. At the very least, the movie as it stands is still incredibly well-done, and hopefully it'll get more recognition as time goes on. Unfortunately, I've never seen any of the TRON movies or played any TRON-related games or anything like that. Seeing the original TRON has always been on my "to-do" list, and I'll get to it one of these days, since there's clearly a devoted fanbase that tries to support any sequels or tie-in material Disney ends up making. Up next, the Horned King, a Disney villain with a big cult following, much like the movie he's from. Looking forward to it, as always! Edit: I haven't seen Strange World yet, but that scene you showed in this video? Yeesh... Really makes me appreciate Puss in Boots: The Last Villain having such an unapologetic bad guy in the form of Jack Horner. Yes, I know I keep bringing him up, but he really does feel like a return to the kinds of fun, blatantly evil villains that Disney was known for.

@melasn9836

11 ай бұрын

That's the name of that movie. That scene convinced me to avoid it at all costs. I hate this "there are NO bad guys" trend.

@Rubberman202

11 ай бұрын

@@melasn9836 I don't necessarily hate it, but I'm with Colin in that I don't think villains should be completely done away with. Variety is a good thing, and just like how some stories don't necessarily need a villain, it IS fun to have a villain in there somewhere (or three, in the case of Puss in Boots: The Last Wish).

I'm 100% with you on the villain thing. I want Disney villains again, they're not needed in every story and while I prefer evil for evil sake like maleficent I don't mind a few "I'm only evil because of tragic backstory". Yeah variety is great, heck puss in boots had 2.5 villains all different, jack is your standard puppy kicker mcmeanie, Goldie is your not actually a villain just doing bad for good intentions, and death (the .5) is your force of nature, and people love it cuz it's a good movie but also I think people are kinda starved for good villains since Disney the granddaddy of villains has stopped making them

@MoonPhantom

11 ай бұрын

"Puss in Boots the Last Wish." was just such a breath air for me, just because of the presence of "Big Jack Horner." I know everybody loved the wolf and all... But man... Jack horner just being unapologetically a terrible person in every single way and the movie empathizes it and it leads to the funniest darkest humor. Jack Horner even knows he is terrible... And he doesn't care... And it's AMAZING! Jack Horner is EVERYTHING I love in a classic villain, he is funny, terrifying, and incredibly entertaining. And need no reason for doing what he does. We are of course given a reason... And it is so petty and stupid that it's hilarious. By design. XD

@ryuudraco592

11 ай бұрын

@@MoonPhantom oh definitely. Jack was also my favorite. And just like classic villains he embraces how evil he is. His last line "I mean what specifically" is just hilarious cuz he knows he definitely deserves it but wonders which specific thing he did is the reason

@MoonPhantom

11 ай бұрын

@@ryuudraco592 Honestly, the guts of dream works in this movie. I love it so much... I have SO much respect. That Jack Horner has 20 Henchmen in this movie, and they are ALL there for one purpose and one purpose only. To be killed off in the most horrific ways you can imagine. I mean WHAT?! It is so dark, and it's so funny. Oh my god the Unicorn horns. And those guys are DEAD! They are DEAD! And aside from being funny, which it is... It is actually a movie that is so smart, that the death of these henchmen actually has a different purpose. To remind us all on a subconscious level that death itself is constantly right behind Puss and is constantly present in this movie even if we don't see him. I just.... Dream Works... You didn't need to go this hard. But I am sure glad you did. And I am really sad that "Ruby Gillman." didn't do any better, cause I want you guys to succeed!

@gota7738

11 ай бұрын

​@@MoonPhantomThe funny thing is I'd argue Jack Horner ISN'T a lot like the classic Disney villain. Sure he's got the evil down, but your classic Disney villain is a character foil to the hero. They're usually a character who has some kind of inadequacy who wants something from the hero or the same thing as the hero to make up for it. They'll often also share a fundamental flaw with the hero, of which the hero will overcome but they won't. While Jack has plenty of evil, he functions very differently from your typical classic Disney villain and works in tandem to the anti-villains and the Force of Nature/Narrative villain.

@sarasamaletdin4574

9 ай бұрын

Wish (which comes out this year) will have a villain (voiced by Chris Pine) the king who you can see in the teaser trailer. Unless the film has twist good guy reveal or something (at least that would be pretty new). But he is refered as villain in the press release.

Grandpa Joe before Charlie got the golden ticket: " I can't stand or walk or work. I'm bedridden. " Grandpa Joe after Charlie got the golden ticket: *hits the griddy*

31:19 I can understand to a degree about wanting fleshed out antagonists instead of straight up villains. But Disney’s latest thing of trying to flip the script and make all of the classic villains, wholly sympathetic and tragic, it is very shortsighted and ignorant. There ARE people out there in the real world who are cruel, vicious, and absolutely monstrous. And they really don’t have some tragic story that made them the way they are. There are some people who are cruel, just because they enjoy being cruel. Oh, and I think that needs to be addressed and understood.

@melasn9836

11 ай бұрын

Agreed 100%. We've all seen examples of terrible people who have no "excuse" or "explanation" as to why they're terrible.

I'm glad you didn't let the TRON films and series fall through the cracks as, arguably, they are heavily animated fare and just really unique in the span of Disney history. Love this villains series overall.

I think Tarzan got a midquel because it already had a continuation in the form of a TV show, and different filmmakers didn't want to step on each other's work.

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

That's a fair argument. I hadn't considered the series.

@spmscout

11 ай бұрын

It still doesn't explain why Fox and the hound 2 wad a midquel though, unless the intention was to show off more of Copper participating in the winter hunt (which this stupid and kinda mean spirited flick wasn't) you really shouldn't bother with this direction and make a true sequel.

@Alejandroigarabide

11 ай бұрын

@@spmscout I agree. This didn't need to be a midquel at all.

@starthefrakkfangirl6094

11 ай бұрын

​@@AlejandroigarabideAnd yet its still used unironically in those Animash videos (I still have a nostalgic soft spots for the older videos, but even then I still question why do people unironically love that empty movie.)

I think the key difference between a villain like Amos and some of the modern movie villains is this - Amos & his handling isn't blanketed in layers of therapy-speak & "it is TOO a good job, MOM" like so many modern examples that aren't just big twist reveals like Hans/Turbo. And that clip from the recent movie (EDIT: Strange Worlds) kinda sums up the mindset behind WHY this annoys me; not every conflict can be sorted out & not every person can be turned around, and it's not bad to ask for that narrative catharsis of a true villain being defeated after being well telegraphed in their wickedness. It basically feels like at least a generation & a half don't want any actual villains, and it's resulted in too many stories that feel like "fix fic about me & my parents" without the sincerity of something like Goofy Movie. This isn't unique to Disney, unfortunately (looking at you, several high profile animated shows with unhinged online fandoms), and I'm afraid it's gonna stick around indefinitely.

@austinreed7343

10 ай бұрын

Their live action movies are marginally better about it, but it feels like they’re trying to have their cake and eat it too.

You’re not out of touch. I’m 16 and I want villains back

If anyone was going to sing a song in Fox And The Hound, I think it should’ve been Tod and Vixey. Because their voice actors were also great singers, Mickey Rooney and Sandy Duncan.

The more things change, the more things stay the same. I guess we'll always have out of touch management and over-paid executives butting heads with and demeaning creatives until stagnation is inevitable.

@johnboling7426

11 ай бұрын

Sadly yes with big corporations taking less chances than the indie counter parts.

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

History repeats itself. I do hope Disney can pull itself out of its current rut.

Fox and the Hound was a favourite. So cool to have the interview in this! Amos Slade is a rare anti-villain for Disney, very interesting. I also wish they’d let Chief die, but the story still works as it is.

One thing that bugs me about "Fox and the Hound 2" is that it literally can't happen in the original film's timeline. Tod and Copper's friendship was actually very temporary. They play *twice* before the Hunting Trip.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

Oh did they? I thought there was a time skip.

@jordancampbell8597

11 ай бұрын

@@lightdarksoul2097 I don't think so. Tod meets Copper and when they play at the lakeside, Copper says his master sounds awfully mad. The next time they meet, Tod remarks that Copper's all tied up to his barrel and then Chief chases Tod around, with Amos threatening to kill Tod the next time he sees him. And then the hunting trip starts. I don't think there's more than a day or two between any of these events.

@keshiaanders6452

11 ай бұрын

The biggest issues to me were too much slapstick involved in it, and a huge lack of the other characters (Big Mama, Boomer, Dinky, and Squeaks). The last one could've hired a simple recast. Whoopi Goldberg as Big Mama Maurice LaMarche as Dinky Jim Cummings as Boomer Frank Welker as Squeaks.

@xanderg.1070

11 ай бұрын

I don’t even consider it canon to the first movie because in the second movie, it acts like Tod and Copper been hanging out for some time, but in the first movie, they’ve only hung out for 2-3 days, and spent most of their youth away from each other. While Tod was with Widow Tweet, waiting for his friend to come back, Copper was being trained by Amos Slade and Chief to learn how to hunt.

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

I remember being surprised upon rewatching the first "Fox" that Copper and Tod really didn't have much time as kids. I thought their childhood friendship lasted a lot longer. I know the Beauty and the Beast midquels also mess with the timeline a lot. Belle is only meant to be in the castle for a week, tops.

RIP to Lance Hendricks. He was a terrific voice actor and actor as well. He died of cancer a few months ago. For anyone who doesn’t know he also played Falcon in the Avengers cartoon in 2010. He was also in two John Wick films and played other roles as well. My respect to everyone else who misses him! This was without a doubt one of your best retrospective chapters. As for Amos Slade I think everyone has a little bit of a different perspective on him for the most part and I totally support that but I kind of love seeing him as a villain myself because otherwise I don’t know how to classify him for the movie. I know who all the good guys are and I see him as the character who gets in the way of their fun for the most part. That definitely makes him seem like a villain to me, however I do also see how he has a few deep layers to his character. I’ve been a big fan of Fox and the Hound since I first saw it as a young kid. I think it touched me in a special way when I was growing up and I like a lot of its storytelling and content. I truly enjoyed this full video. It was terrific hearing from Jerry Rees too. Also I truly hope you never really do run out of things to talk about. You can take a break from villains if you need to but seriously keep on entertaining us, because you are certainly one of my favorite KZread channels! You did a fantastic job with all the Tron stuff too! Thanks very much for making this video and for sharing it with us! Looking forward to your next video!

It’s funny how in the comparisons drawn between “The Fox and the Hound” and Disney’s previous adaptations of stories centered on wildlife that the tone of the film is actually closer to those tales as opposed to the original book.

Dragon slayer is an underrated masterpiece. It is really odd to compare it to Fox and the Hound, I think both types of villains are needed.

26:37 Ha, I liked Slade as a kid, since his acting shows his softer side throughout the movie. Showing those glimmers of warmth under the abrasive exterior felt more real than the totally nice/lovable characters one sees in kids' media. Plus his character design has a funny, scruffy charm & his animation is very energetic, while also having a nuanced humanized performance. It helps him come across as more than just an intimidating authority figure.

That damn bear was the scariest thing I saw as a little kid

Not sure if you saw this but the upcoming Disney movie, Wish, is going to have a villain voiced by Chris Pine. Musical number included.

@sonicfanboy3375

11 ай бұрын

Collin makes these videos in order of the films release

@maurycyoseka1057

6 ай бұрын

Foulfellow: "All you need is a strong stage name. Hoh! I got it. "Chris Pine"!" Coisidance? I think NOT!

I think the point where Amos stops being sympathetic and becomes a villain is reflected in how far he takes his actions concerning todd: When he discovers todd seemingly attacking his chickens, of course he would try to shoot him. Most rural farmers own firearms specifically to protect their croops and livestock from animals. Where he goes too far is after he discovers todd has fled from his property, he gets into his car and proceeds to chase abd actively shoot at him while he's in widow tweeds car, recklessly endangering her and damaging her property in the process. Thats when it became criminal acts. Even in states with castle doctrine, actively chasing after intruders beyond your property attempting to kill them is a crime (less so for animaks though). Same can be said when he attempts to barge into widow tweeds home, shotgun in hand, threatening to kill him, and knowingly and deliberately trespassed into the game preserve just to poach him. All because he believes todd is a threat to his chickens. Utter lunacy. In short: Amos Slade should've been arrested and convicted of multiple violent felonies, serving prison time in the process.

Having watched all of Tron Uprising on Disney Plus and seeing what a missed opportunity it was I'm glad all the prominent villains there were name dropped in th8s video. The show was really on point with them, a decent amount of variety and all of them still very effective.

I honestly find Hunchback of Notre Dame a LOT more questionable a choice to adapt as a kid's movie than this was. Disney does have a history of nature films, and this does seem like the low key type of story they'd be interested in this era. Something that's a romp in the backwoods rather than a large scale epic adventure. And I think that's exactly why it's so overlooked. While I do own the VHS, I only watched it maybe twice. It's a good movie, but not one you crave seeing again and again. And it sucks they had to tone everything down because of the rise of parental groups. That said, I think there's a clear distinction between "villain" and "antagonist." I don't agree that A Goofy Movie doesn't really have an antagonist, the Principal surely was a negative force that managed to get to Goofy, causing the entire adventure and splintering Max and Goofy's relationship. A classic school movie trope to make the authority figure (teachers, principals/deans) the bad guy. They even kinda borrowed that character for the Teacher's Pet cartoon. And I have no problem with an antagonist instead of a villain. I kinda liked how Encanto and Turning Red had family based "it's for your/our own good" antagonism instead of mustache twirling villains, BUT the problem with that and the twist villains is that they're clustered. Maybe if they broke these films up with either the show stealing, scenery chewing villain or the completely evil dark villain, we'd have a nicer variety. I mean, the ONLY twist villain/self induced trauma I really didn't like was in Lightyear. Say what you will about Wreck-it Ralph 2, but at least that one got "you're your own worst enemy" right. I wished that they had the real Zurg pulling the strings, manipulating future Buzz, but they had to go full blown "sounded more ingenious than it actually was" with that one.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

With Lightyear it is weird they never mention the real Zurg especially since the Old Buzz did get that tech from someone. Maybe Zurg?

@mightyfilm

11 ай бұрын

​What I wanted to happen is that the real Zurg would get notice from one of his minions that his old space craft and tech was found, since they did basically build up to that. It should have at LEAST been the post credits bit instead of the two running gags. Maybe if they made the movie longer and more like the live action 90's Sci-Fi style movie they were setting out to make, it could have had a satisfying reveal. The Buzz being his own enemy was basically so they could thumb their noses at the "Luke I am your father" gag from Toy Story 2. Which they also did in the cartoon series, but they don't like to acknowledge that one existed.

Fox and the Hound was good when I was a kid. Thanks Colin.

25:17 "Ya gotta think NASTY!" XD I love the delivery of that line!

Great video! Sad to hear that the bear scene probably would've been toned down if they'd had more time, since that's easily the most impressive scene in the film. Makes you wonder what other great pieces of animation we've lost for the same reasons.

I'm sure there's a fan edit of Fox of the Hound in which Chief is killed. It doesn't look hard to make even by a novice editor.

@RogueT-Rex8468

11 ай бұрын

Was thinking the same thing tbh

It's interesting to note that the modern no-villain movies that where better recieved have been films about families like Encanto and Turning Red. Meanwhile movies about try and include a broader, social scope like Raya and Strange World are received more poorly. It's arguable that in some ways Fox & The Hound fits in with the first group. I think it speaks to the strengths and weaknesses of having a relatable antagonist instead of no villain. The stakes are lower and so it's easier to reconcile within a small group. On a broad social scale however the problems have much more at stake and it's much harder to keep an antagonist sympathetic. The traditional route is to have The One Badguy whose defeated is all that's needed for a happy ending. That's fun but can't really hold a nuanced story (looking at you Pocahontas). Something less simplistic would mean creating an uncomfortable story that might not even allow for a truly happy ending, which is still a no go for Disney animated canon.

I can't stop enjoying this disney villains retrospective.

@maurycyoseka1057

9 ай бұрын

Me as well.

I don’t even consider the second film canon to the first movie because in the second movie, it acts like Tod and Copper have been hanging out for some time, but in the first movie, they’ve only hung out for 2-3 days, and spent most of their youth away from each other. While Tod was with Widow Tweet, waiting for his friend to come back, Copper was being trained by Amos Slade and Chief to learn how to hunt. And this happened throughout the fall all the way up to spring when both Tod and Copper had grown up.

This is definitely one of your best Disney villain retrospective!

@Necostamps

11 ай бұрын

I didn’t know you watch these videos

As always, great videos. In regards to the "current state of villains," it looks like WDAS' newest film this year "WISH" is going to have a classic villain. It seems like Disney is going back to it's roots.

Oh cool, we finally get to Tron.

Rare Tron Uprising mention, such a shame it never got even a second season. Also a few people mentioned this fun fact already, but I love the full circle of Corey Burton basing his voice of Shockwave off of David Warner as MCP only to voice him in Kingdom Hearts (and apparently the people mover ride too first). Anyways, great vid :)

I’m SO glad we got King Magnifico for Wish even though the movie wasn’t as good as we hoped we still got a great villain

I always liked Slade as a kid. Fox and the Hound was one of my favourite Disney flicks growing up and he reminded me of my Grandad.

Here's my analysis of the Bear's character based on it's actions/body language- When first confronting Amos and Copper he simply stands up and growls, he only goes in to attack when Amos shoots him, so he did give them a chance to leave at first, but after being shot he felt as though Amos was definetly there to attack. When the bear does go to attack he dosen't blindly charge at Amos, he makes sure to swip away Amos' gun, so he's smart enough to know that Amos' advantage and he needs to disable this opponent as soon as possible. When Copper attacks him the Bear decides to turn his attention away from Amos and focus entirely on Copper, implying he has a big temper, becoming incredibly anger if someone gets in his way and will stop at nothing until they are no longer a threat to him. His intelligence is also showcased here, as like what he probably recognised with Amos' gun he can tell Copper is not only much smaller and a lot lighter as well, and so he tried to crush Copper under his weight at one point. He swips Copper twice, both times don't kill him, after that he slowly approaches Copper while growling. He could have quickly and easily killed Copper with the first swipe, these actions showcase the bear is sadistic. After Tod attacks the Bear again turns his attention away from his current target to this new one, showing how enraged he has become to any sort of challenge that comes his way. He also showcases sadism in his final momments, he swipes Tod twice, both of which he could have made powerful enough to kill the fox instantly, but he chooses not to. With the second swipe he throws Tod onto a log above a river. He approaches Tod who isdangling on a branch and readies a swipe, but he's so consummed with rage that he dosen't recognise that doing so results in the log snapping and him falling down to the river as well. I just realised the Bear can be seen as a foil to Amos, if Amos let anger consume him he could have let that lead to his death

Will you be talking about Bill the lizard from Alice in Wonderland when you get to The Great Mouse Detective? He’s one of the very few “good guy” characters from Disney & by extension all of fiction to become a villain in a completely unrelated franchise. The only other Disney character with that distinction of the top of my head is Peter Pan in the Chip & Dale movie.

I agree with your villains argument i miss the days of the old villains being center stage vs having them be a side character with little involvement with the main story.

I always thought whoever read the Fox and Hound and went "This would be a great childrens movie!" was one sick bastard.

Oh, boy. I miss classic villains too.

@charlessegale6493

11 ай бұрын

I miss actually HAVING villains, at this point.

@Alejandroigarabide

11 ай бұрын

Good point.

Oh wow, you actually did look into the manga like I suggested in the last video! Glad to see Sark's sole sympathetic moment in any media being brought up! The video as a whole is also a lot stronger than usual with an actual animator from The Fox and the Hound recounting his work experiences on the film! This was a good episode and I'm eager to see The Horned King next time!

Dreamworks has kept its villains from Puss in boots 2 to Bad Guys. Even reformed antagonts like in Sharktale and Sprint

@poppie267

11 ай бұрын

Sprint ?

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@poppie267 the Horse. Ride of the Stallion

@brandonlyon730

11 ай бұрын

Funny enough with Puss in Boots 2, along with card carrying evil Jack Horner, they also did the reformed villain with goldy locks and the bears, and the also the force of nature type of villain with Death himself. Also another funny thing, while he remains bad in the Movie in the Over the hedge video game Vincent the bear eventually turns good and becomes apart of the family with RJ and the animals (most of the game takes place after the movie itself).

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@brandonlyon730 is the game canon ?

@brandonlyon730

11 ай бұрын

@@nicholassims9837 I doubt it, it’s one of those licensed games to cash in on the movie. It’s been years but I remember enjoying it as a kid.

Deleted my first comment because it sucked lol. Let me try to express myself better this time First off, I'm really happy to get one of these on my birthday! Especially one with Tron in it, watched it for the first time this year and really like it. I really agree with Colin in the opinion on TF&TH, found it really boring when i was younger but now i appreciate what it was trying to do, even if it censored itself a bit. I also agree with the opinion on the modern disney villains, i think that more variety would be better than just doing the same thing over and over until it gets boring. (really like Turning Red and Soul, Frozen and Big Hero 6 are meh in the villain department, and i found that scene in Strange World dumb too) Also, i was really obsessed with TF&TH 2 when i was younger, no idea why. My theory was that i understood it better than the more complex first movie, and that Dixie reminded me of Georgette from Oliver and Company, one of my favorite disney characters, and that made me like it a little more.

Excellent, detailed look at a quite complicated antagonist. Some have compared Amos Slade and Widow Tweed to Eustace and Muriel from the show 'Courage the Cowardly Dog,' and while there are some similarities, Amos Slade's crueler acts are a lot more understandable than Eustace's usually are. Much of what Amos does is out of a desire to protect his property and out of a sense of loyalty to his dogs, while Eustace is usually just motivated by greed and/ or general douchebaggery. @30:52- 31:18, I didn't quite catch that when I first watched 'Strange World,' but now that you mention it, it sounds like that's indeed the case, and gives me yet another reason to strongly dislike that movie. It is incredibly tacky, petty, and infantile for a movie or TV show's writers to handle fan criticisms in such a way (I'm looking at you too, 'Teen Titans Go' writers, you largely started this). I think the only time I've seen this response to fan criticisms done in a bearable way is in the 'My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic' episode "Fame and Misfortune."

Thanks for this episode, made me appreciate the film even more. I forgot grief could be a motive for villains (pendin how the story wants the villain to process grief). I never counted Copper as a villain cause as you said he had like a “1 day blood thirst” for revenge until Todd helped take the bear down

just to say i love the film Tron so the fact it gets a mention at all puts a big smile on my face

Good thing Copper and Tod are still friends too. Amos Slade and Chief were this close to losing Copper's trust and respect. And as for Dixie and Cash, they were this close to losing their band's trust and respect.

Tron is one of those franchises that you don’t get as a kid, but you sorta do when you grow older. I really hope Disney considers bringing it back because I think there’s a lot of potential left. The 80’s was a very bizarre time for Disney, due to higher-ups wanting darker, grittier stories but chickening out at the last minute. It makes the stories feel very half-finished. No wonder it’s seen as Disney’s Dark Age.

Always great to hear people from the production say how things actually were, obliterating online myths. :)

With traditional villains there’s King Magnífico from Wish. Hopefully he brings back the traditional villains.

Thank you so much for doing this series. I’ve loved every installment so far, and it’s really great seeing such an in depth retrospective on Disney villains (especially during an era where great ones are hard to find)

Oh, excellent! I've been looking forward to this one!

The contrast between these two movies is really funny.

As much as I adore The Fox and the Hound there are a few things I would change about it. First the most obvious; Cheif dies when hit by the train. Another change I would make would be to swap out the scene with cranky badger for one with the bear in order to foreshadow the climatic battle. Imagine a scene where Todd sees the giant bear in the distance, maybe even chasing off some other woodland critter before the porcupine offers him shelter in his den. The porcupine then tells Todd to stay away from the bear as he's the big bad around these woods. This would build tension and gravitas for the bear similarly to what Pinocchio did with Monstro the whale. As a final send off, I would have the last scene feature a new pup that Alamos got to replace Cheif, one that Copper now has to look after the same way Cheif looked after him. Not only would this honour Cheif's memory but would also tie into the film's themes and place in the Disney legacy of the passing of the tourch from one generation to another. Cyrus was definetley the best TRON villain. Wish Uprising had received a second season. Right now it seems like Disney dosen't even want to aknowlege its existence.

Finally you return amazing work and I cant wait to see you talk about one of my favorite Dark Age Disney Villains Horned King

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I actually think the Black Cauldron could use a remake. The movie's pacing is pretty wacky but the story is interesting and with some cleaning up I think it could work great. The horned king is one scary ass dude

@brandonlyon730

11 ай бұрын

@@lightdarksoul2097 I believe the story was originally based on a series of books I forgot the names of.

I love that with the sequel movies mentioning Rob Paulsen I knew exactly who he voiced 😆

we need more villains in disney

35:09 Contrary to that article, a Robin Hood Dark Ride sounds awesome. I can totally see a midway mania style shooting gallery with crossbows nowadays.

@CinnamonGrrlErin1

11 ай бұрын

That should have been the new Splash Mountain

I always had a special place in my heart for this movie. This was a good way to step back and see what was missing. It would have been more emotional if the Hunter was more distraught about taking care of Chief, devoting his day to his dogs well being. Seeing that could have helped build the vengeance for Copper. Seeing the young friendship torn apart by closed minded beliefs of those the Hound saw as family and soon believed himself will always be sad.

Well Clu appear in Kingdom Hearts 3D in that game he wants Sora’s keyblade to rewrite the Grid in exchange for Tron’s freedom over Clu , Sora refuse to handover his Keyblade so Sora take on Rinzler/Tron he beat Rinzler but Clu throw his disc at Sora but at the last second Tron regain himself and he push Sora out the way but the disc break glass underneath Tron and he fall, later Clu retrieve Rinzler and reprogram he back to Rinzler than Riku’s side story he Help Sam , Flynn and Quorra get to the portal like the movie but Clu was there with a Mantis Dream Eater and Riku fought it like the movie Clu was suck into Flynn and explose

It’s definitely missed opportunity to have some kind of is Easter egg to the MCP inside of Tron light cycle

30:05 I couldn't agree more. Villains are my favorite parts of most Disney movies, so seeing them borderline not existing anymore is just hard.

Although they let Chief survive, in later films they would have characters truly killed off - namely Kocoum from "Pocahontas", Nuka from "The Lion King II: Simba's Pride", Kerchack from "Tarzan", and Ray from "The Princess and the Frog". What "Fox and the Hound" steered deliberately away from the deaths of those characters was totally necessary. For instance, Kocoum's death is what activates the third act. For another, Nuka's death is the turning point and the non-existent gloves are off.

Good news. The movie “wish” is going to have a full villain.

Thoughts on Amos Slade: I don't care if he's an anti-villain or a character "different" from the Master he's one of my least favourite villains due to his crimes in both the films and the original novel, he even gets a karma houdini. I love Disney's version of the Fox and the Hound compared to the original novel which I don't, but if it ever gets remade they only should have some elements from the original novel as it's just as depressing as Schindler's List, Requiem for a Dream and Titanic (1997) imo, but it would be satisfying to see Slade behind bars. Also if the Fox and the Hound ever gets added as a playable world in a future Kingdom Hearts game though highly unlikely , it would be awesome to see Sora as a fox fighting Slade and the Bear off with Tod, Copper and Vixey at his side. Thoughts on the MCP: He's a very underrated sci fi villain from a really great 1980s sci fi film I watched on TV as a kid. I was surprised when Tron was included in KH2 and the MCP was a tricky boss battle but I enjoyed it. It's a pity the newer Tron film didn't use any of the colourful atmospheres from the first Tron film or even had Stark or the MCP return. Lastly I hope both the Fox and the Hound and Tron both get added into the Disney Magic Kingdoms game one day but only time will tell and its just my opinion.

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

I woulnt Say Amos is a Karma houndian he did got a broken leg

@philw3039

11 ай бұрын

Amos was my most disliked Disney villain too. Not a "love to hate" type of antagonist. Doesn't have the fun charisma of Scar or Hades. Doesn't revel in the audacity of his evil actions like Mad Madam Mim or Cruella DeVille. Doesn't feel internal conflict like Judge Claude Frollo. No grand presence like Malificent. He's a bitter angry old man who kills forest animals. I think what really makes it bad is that the animals personalities in the film are all anthropomorphized. From the audience POV, Amos kills creatures that have human-like emotions and intelligence, even though to Amos they're just regular animals.

@nicholassims9837

11 ай бұрын

@@philw3039 Thats why hes more of an anti villain

@philw3039

11 ай бұрын

@@nicholassims9837 Yeah, agree. But I think other Disney films featured more likable anti-villains. King Louie from the _Jungle Book_ for example. Though I guess that movie did have the advantage of having an outright villain and also less somber tone than FaTH.

I also appreciate your effort into researching unknown details

I was waiting for u to cover one of my all time favs.❤ I have watched each of your vids so far and enjoyed the extra info from each movie and villain that I didnt know. I love how u are in year order so I know which is coming next. Fox and the hound dont get much love from disney but its my no. 1 fav

@loneomega5937

11 ай бұрын

Ill be waiting for my other favs soon. Ill be counting down each and enjoying them along the way. Cant wait for oliver and company, and I know it will be a bit but cant wait for lion king, goofy movie and lilo and stitch :p keep up the good work man. I love all of ur vids man. ❤

I watched another video that went over Amos and talked about him as an Anti-Villain, which si a great watch btw, but I really like Amos now that Im older. Hes not evil, just a hot headed idiot who loves his dogs, and while I agree with Bluth that Chief probably should have died, seeing what Amos and Copper were willing to do when they *almost* lost him is almost more powerful. Its a really nice movie and I like him as an Antagonist. Edit: Just speaking as a hunter Amos never irritated me. The Hunters in Bambi are almost an Eldritch Horror, not a person, it like they are some personification of nebulous evil that destroys for its own sake. Amos, is a farmer who goes hunting to, presumably, make money and put food on the table. He's a full-fledged character and while he's a hot-headed ass, its *him* we're talking about, not all hound owners and hunters, not some nebulous group, Amos Slade with all of his crotchety foibles. I think that specificity does it.

Another great video in this retrospective. Fox and the Hound is really underrated in my personal opinion, I find it to be a very grounded, human story. I agree Disney needs to return to the villainous villains they once had. The Horned King from The Black Cauldron is next. Hoo boy…

Colin Looks Back: Mentions Tamatoa Schaff: Ah yes, it's all coming together now

Along with Grampa Joe , Tigger and Piglet also appear in this movie

MCP - BTW, in Siskel & Ebert's review, clips from the workprint were shown in which his voice was modulated very differently.

@Grim2

11 ай бұрын

Oh, and on Heritage Auctions you can find loads of concept art for Black Cauldron. Some done by Tim Burton.

The MCP was Skynet before Skynet was even a thing

@starthefrakkfangirl6094

11 ай бұрын

I had a similar reaction but with Squid from Will You Snail.

that's awesome you got to talk with one of the disney animators. :3 compared to man in bambi i never viewed amos slade as a villain as while a jerk he had sympathetic moments that were understandable from a hunters angle and view more chief(as well as the jerk badger/bear to an extent.) closer to it though tbh while i agree chief not dying was the flaw of movie but don't think it ruins the movie as that moment he lowers his gun realizing what he's doing is still a powerful moment in disney to me. wow didn't know the ending was going to be less bittersweet though i also took it as a view on life as there's nothing saying that ending couldn't have happened at some point or amos calming down enough from tweed taking care of him(hearing how much she cared for tod.) or the fox and the hound getting a glimps at each other even if fleeting.

finally a new video to this series!

I find it hard to call Amos a villain. For a farmer a fox is a very real threat. Ultimately he wants to protect what little he has. If Chief hadn't of been injured Todd being relocated would have been enough. Even knowing where the fox is he doesn't go out of his way to harm him until Todd shows up on his lad. His biggest flaw is he gets consumed by revenge after Chief's injury, though he does hesitate for a moment before breaking the law and trespassing onto the game preserve. And then when the bear comes out your left hoping Amos survives.

Holy shit all these years later, and even owning a copy of the VHS with that weird poofy plastic case, I never noticed the Bear in the background

@ColinLooksBack

11 ай бұрын

It took me several years to spot that bear!

@QueenOfDarknes5

10 ай бұрын

That's what the bear wants

Unlucky like #666! Excited for your coverage of the MCP; TRON was my childhood gateway into the world of sci-fi, and remains a very beloved film!

This is going to be good! Fox and the Hound and Slade are just perfectly underrated