When an spiritual teacher answer “ I prefer to say I don’t know “ is showing to its disciples that he is a Sage

A Rupert a day keeps the doctor away

@tonycrook2955

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Yep

@randombedroomguitarrist5253

3 жыл бұрын

Will keep that prescription lol

@usharajeswari2527

3 жыл бұрын

Keeps the mind-doctor away! 😅

@LightProgramming

3 жыл бұрын

hes 60 looks 30...

@volovcica15

3 жыл бұрын

@@LightProgramming that's because 30 years ago he discovered that time is an illusion

I appreciate his willingness to say he doesn't know, instead of giving some BS answer.

Thank you again, Rupert. My admiration for you and what you share grows with every video that I watch. So wise of you to say "I don't know" in response to the woman's question about why someone incarnates into conditions that seem less favorable than another, or with an interest in Truth. Tears actually arose when I heard you say, "I just found myself with this tremendous interest and love in these matters." The same has held true for "me." Why? I don't know; but I'm grateful--very grateful. 🙏🏻

I respect Rupert's honesty. " I don't know " We are limited to know by time and space.

Consciousness wants to know itself infinitely. Thus, it must experience all forms, “good” and “bad”.

Beautiful question, beautiful answer. I love how he is always able to take each questioner exactly where they are and tailor his answers to their understanding. In education we call that scaffolding. That's a sign of a truly skilled teacher. Many other nondual teachers would immediately start talking about how there is no suffering, it's all an illusion. It can come across as dismissive and cruel. This is the very reason I avoided nondual teachings until I discovered Rupert Spira.

This can all be tied into our concept of value. Value is measurement assigned by the bodymind/ego. It isn't about who's fate was better or worse, grim or pleasant, happy or unhappy; it's about infinity/eternity which is able to take on any conceivable and inconceivable form when localized. There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong". 😘 If everything was bliss and happiness all the time forever it would eventually turn back into suffering and torment, otherwise things like drugs would "fix" everything.

One of the better explanations of the phenomenon of human evil i have heard and read about. Thanks much.

Thanks that was awesome!

Rupert refuses to address Karma. That’s ok. The following is the wisdom I received in my meditation. I can’t prove it. The word karma generally makes us think about suffering. But it’s just a part of the intelligence we see around us. There are various type of memory. Karmic memory is only one of it. We can’t understand it conceptually because our minds cannot grasp it and we get frustrated. We cannot make “sense” of it. This might upset people but just one example of consequence of action is this - say you keep consuming beef as part of your diet. Now, a cow is capable of complex emotions and suffers at the slaughter house. That suffering which the cow endures as one localised mind-body has to also be experienced by the mind-body which caused it to get the perspective of what suffering is. This memory is nothing but only a part of the intelligence of consciousness. If you ask me “why” I can only say that intelligence of the consciousness or source was to make sure some mechanism is built in. Just imagine more capable mind-bodies just causing harm or discomfort endlessly? So Karmic memory is only a part of the intelligence around us. It says that all actions have consequences. Intelligence is just all the laws. Laws came from the source. Just imagine what if your pain receptors in your stomach always fired and caused pain for no reason. If all humans somehow were born with this condition regardless. But it’s not the case. Why? Because the intelligence of source has made all things very elegantly. So the same intelligence applied for how to conduct the mind-body. The yogic and Vedic system is all about that. What foods to eat, what herbs to take, properties of various things found in nature, when to use what, etc. The only thing we can “do” is align with this intelligence. Meditation is one of the ways. It cannot be done. Just surrender and be still. You will know what the “right action” is. Trust me.

@nehalzaveri7210

3 жыл бұрын

Very nice explanation Eckhart!

@kwixotic

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he 's being consistent with the sage Nisargadatta who said that with a fully realized being there doesn't exist Karma because such a "person" is no longer perpetrating the kinds of actions which will invariably lead to self destructive results.

@e-karttolle786

3 жыл бұрын

kwixotic yes, from what I’ve understood, all realised beings say karma is cyclic and it cannot be escaped by a finite mind. In other words realisation cannot be achieved by accumulating “good” karma. For those beings, karma is irrelevant because they don’t identify with their mind and body. This raises a concern that if karma doesn’t matter, why bother even. It matters in the context of the divine intelligence or the source. It’s a law that came with the source. The source itself is guiding you because that’s what it wants. So for us unaware folks, all we can do is perform action from the deepest wisdom we have. That’s all we can do. This alignment happens magically in meditation. Some how the door to right action is revealed. Right action could mean anything and not necessarily a “good” thing. Depends on what your inner wisdom guides you with.

@kwixotic

3 жыл бұрын

@@e-karttolle786 Sure, because for instance if you witnessed a child being unnecessarily and violently abused by a parent, you'd then find yourself intervening even at the cost of possibly becoming the target of an attack by said parent. The inner wisdom would somehow "require" that you not remain just a passive bystander who might even incur the condemnation of others who also witnessed this happening.

@lisathomas1622

3 жыл бұрын

There’s a difference though, he doesn’t refuse to address, he simply states he doesn’t know. Refusal suggests he knows but won’t say.

Thank you

A mechanic on a ship has to leave the comfort of the deck, crawl into the lowest part of the ship, get wet, covered in grease to fix it. It is like hell down there, so why go? That is his work, to be done with love or with hate, it is understanding the bigger picture that makes the difference.

Yes, and along with the finite being or apparent person acting in untoward ways comes the justification or rationalization for misbehaving the way he or she does which further keeps veiled( one of Rupert's frequent words) the background of Awareness.

Human mind has access to reality,through an extremely narrow window. God,good,evil ect..are just explanations of human mind. Reality is beyond...

An explanation could be given to Rupert's statement 'I do not know" in reply to get a question regarding the differences. There is infinite Consciousness which is absolute. There are no two there But Consciousness has two inseparable aspects. existence' and awareness' . 'existence is the dynamic aspect of Consciousness and "awareness' is knowledge proper ( like we are aware of our existence)Consciousness, by its inherent nature, has the power to appear in forms (world) without actually changing itself. It only appears as a world but not really. That appearance is like somebody sees a thread in twilight and mistake it to be a snake. All along it is thread only, it has not changed to a snake. Similarly, Consciousness without changing itself appears as a world. Now these forms that are apparent only form part of a relative world as against the Absolute consciousness. In the relative world, you can't identify a specific cause for any 'effect'. For example, Rupert was talking to that lady. That is 'effect'. what is the cause for it ?. she attended the Satsang. Attending Sastang is the 'effect'. what is the cause for that? Some X told her about Rupert.. that is the 'effect". If you trace back to the source of every particular effect; like that, you would end up in infinity. That is why he said I do not know The relative world has infinite variety, and it cannot be intellectually understood fully. That is why scientific search goes on indefinitely The dynamic aspect of consciousness appearing as different forms with infinite variety is due to the inherent nature of Consciousness ( i.e. dynamic aspect). There cannot be any reason for inherent nature. Why the fire is very hot? It is its inherent nature The fact that Consciousness appears as a world without changing itself, could be tested by anybody. The world is nothing but a thought. Without a thought appearing you cannot be aware of any object in the world. What is thought? A thought is nothing but your awareness? The thought is nothing but an apparent change of awareness, not actual. No change in Awareness at any time. ignorant people think that their awareness is limited to the body only. But awareness has no form. Anything that has no form must be infinite. But habitually( since ages) man ignorantly thinks that his awareness is limited to the body. But it is, in fact, infinite consciousness. Once this is recognised Truth is revealed

Be Yourself ,everyone else is taken - Oscar Wilde

As time is an illusion we live all our lives in the now. Perhaps we experience all shades of consciousness at once, the good and the bad existing simultaneously in different dimensions and it is just impossible for the human mind to understand this from our narrow perspective which we interpret as just taking one role after another like an actor in his lifetime. But we do experience all these lives by our power to focus on whatever role we choose for our own reason and live it out in our time/space reality and then “die” and focus on another role for our next lifetime and thus experiencing all levels of existence . Like the actor choosing his script .

I believe each and every being has its own purpose here and so the individual’s experience is directly related to the particular being’s own agenda. Sometimes we are judging from our own perpective what another might be feeling or thinking. It may not necessarily be so from the other’s perspective. Every experience is a result of a prior choice that was made. Whether or not it is clear to us, it is unfolding as is should, to use the words of Max Ehramann

That is a great saying 🤩😍🥰

This conversation reminds me of Dostoyevsky (or is it Solzhenitsyn?) writing about being in a Siberian prison. A fellow prisoner used to express a great happiness at the opportunity their lives had created in being able to pay for any and all wrongdoings in their lives; in my understanding it seems as though he meant they were paying it forward and that this was the best possible outcome a person could have.

The manifestations of infinite consciousness in a dualistic universe are infinite. So, it is logical to have the ideas of good and evil and have corresponding characters in this play we call life. The answer to fate is an easy one but also a dangerous one; Rupert avoided this pitfall gracefully.

que the lights King Lear is about to come on stage

Nice video 👍! As a fellow KZreadr, I am contantly searching for new ideas! Excellent Job!

I don’t like the assumption that infinite consciousness is essentially love and happiness, I think infinite consciousness is just the blank slate that all experience takes place in, it is.essentially neutral..ov course you can find peace in the knowing that you are this all becoming force rather than a finite being but the two things are different

@PerenniaLight

3 жыл бұрын

Infinite consciousness disembodied is completely neutral. Infinite consciousness playing the role of living being, either prior to accumulation of dualistic knowledge and/or after realization of their true being is essentially playful loving happiness. Since this realization happens prior to or after duality, they are technically one thing. If you’re separating them with logic, you are employing a dualistic tool called mind to do it.

I've just read No Self, No Problem, a new book about the connection of eastern philosophy and neuropsychology, and it confirms everything what Rupert Spira says. Blessed to have a teacher like him in today's chaotic world. :) Tat tvam asi 🙏

I wonder if he actually reads the comments of his videos.. if so then HI!! much love to you rupert :3

Rupert you are the best teacher ever! Can you please tell me what I as awareness/experience have to do in life. If I only be experience knowingly than that implies that I have no control what so ever in life and I never had. (from the point of the seperate self?) The thoughts and decisions that create the good life will come or they won't. Situations will come or they won't. Nothing can I do as awareness. It seems the only thing I can do is live in illusion or live consciously. And now I know that I am awareness taking the shape of experience I can't take life serious anymore. And I feel I have no influence what so ever. Yeah thats all peaceful and fantastic but it also seems negative because i am striving to live the best life i can. But now it seems I have no control in living a good life or a bad life. I just have to be happy with both? If striving happens thats oke and when it doesn't, is that equally oke? I have still desires that I want to realize and I feel that I need influence for that. I feel there must be some kind of influence that you can have on living a great life. Are my desires for the good life also an illusion? Must I truly desire nothing to be free and truly happy. Or are desires also part of the awareness-experience that need to be realized? I hope you can help me.

@meaghanmorriseau5565

3 жыл бұрын

Desiring anything means that you feel lacking and that in itself will create discontent. So yes, once you do not desire anything, only than you will be content with you life.

Ramana Maharshi would answer the questioner with the following questions: Who is the one who has the concern about fate? What is the nature of this one? It is real or an illusion?

The idea that you exist independently of the body is fairly easy to grasp on an intellectual level. But unless you've been shot out of your body and seen it from the third person, you won't truly believe it.

Assuming that God shares our human perspectives on what is "all good" is not helpful.

@juliangiulio3147

3 жыл бұрын

assuming that 'God' is an entity like a single 'being' at all!

@aurelienyonrac

3 жыл бұрын

See for yourself. Stop thinking and experience the life that you are. Life can't die. So what a thrill.

@seeker8097

3 жыл бұрын

William Medford “Assuming” means thought is being given credence over actual experiencing. Don’t assume. Go directly to experiencing for the truth.

@joajoajb

3 жыл бұрын

William Medford yes! Absolutely! Naming the NAMELESS, Defining the INDEFINABLE is not only the beginning of Ignorance but also suffering. After, many, many years of honest contemplation and observation, one comes to see the Absolute genuineness of the Buddha and Nisargadatta. In breaking silence, I' d like to point out a thing or two here if i may. I see what has enabled the Buddha and Nisargadatta to the discovery of the Absolute Truth of existence was their complete honesty in all their observations without any Self deception. Without complete honesty in observation and contemplation, one cannot and does not reach beyond what lies on the other side of the veil of Self deception , which Nisargadatta called " THE ABSOLUTE". Take a good, sincere , honest look at this existence with complete honesty . Countless life forms show up only to be eaten alive , screaming in pain ,from the top of their lungs to no avail. And, yet, it goes on and on ever since time can remember as if something is having an eternal nightmares. I hope Rupert just didn't condemn Consciouness to eternal nightmares. All these confusions are the results of deceiving, ignoring, or veiling the Absolute Truth of existence which Nisargadatta so diligently and persistently pointed to. If one spends enough time to contemplate on the Absolute Truth of existence with complete honesty which Nisargadatta pointed till the last breath, It all becomes so clear, The freedom of the Absolute never was, is, nor will ever be found in the Known, but, rather , the Eternal Freedom of the Absolute is the Freedom from the known, by its very nature of being prior to Knowledge. This irreplaceable Truth leaves Absolutely no room possible for Self deception. My appreciation for the Absolute genuineness of Nisargadatta and the Buddha is beyond words.

@aurelienyonrac

3 жыл бұрын

@@joajoajb good. Can you see that in others? Very good. Can they see that too? That is a miracle.

is she going to let him talk???

Whose fate is it after all ? Separate self's ? It is after all just a misinterpretation of consciousness of itself in a mind posture. Just as a bubble's course in a stream is not the choice of the bubble the uncessant stream of Karmma decides a separate self's course of life. The streaming Karmma has to do with mind posture and the misinterpretations. The incessantly streaming Karmma makes and unmake the whole misinterpretations and hence the universe on its course.

Amazing thankyou

In this dual world, could 'good' exist without its 'evil' counterpart? If there were no 'evil', would we be able to identify something or someone as 'good'?

@emadmirza1248

2 жыл бұрын

Everything is manifested in this universe through opposites, and because god has no opposite, he stays hidden. So evil has to exist so that love and peace be identified

@PopstarCharles

2 жыл бұрын

Very good inquiry. “Good” is a label of dualism. If we assume that awareness is all love and peace (non-duality) and nothing more, we could never define it, for everything would simply “be” that way. We could never even know what love or peace is unless we have a means to experience and recognize it. Our human content of experience thus forms duality in order to perceive infinite eternity.

We cannot know why each person is fortunate or less fortunate,we cannot know the thoughts of God because his ways are not our ways,that being said the game of life is for each person(fortunate and less fortunate) to find God in him/her and correct their situation to live the life we consider as good for us. The person born as less fortunate that finds God will succeed more than a supposed fortunate person.

The insights of the way existence is and as articulated by the master is quite mind blowing ...every time ... !

This is extraordinary. Thank you.

Wow

Thank you Rupert❤🙏

Great question. I have always wondered

Good and bad are only perceptions. They do not exist, I believe we are love itself. The difference between "love" and "good" is love is felt without question, "good" is the word used when questioning the sensation of love. I believe fate, has no morals, fate is the domino effect of life. There's no master plan, it just is. What your perceive of that, is only a perception.

Interesting king Lear cannot be hamlet but only king lear !

✨❤️WOW🤩🙏✨

I more supporter of the view that we've appeared to be born in a certain place or family, and have particular experienced even traumas to develop certain talents and gifts that we can then, when recognising our true nature to use for the good of others. I certainly would not be able to develop my talent and passion of connecting to people if not felt not good enough or worthless in the childhood, and that pushed to knowing more other people and wanting to help them.

Maybe the answer or a clue is in the Bhagavad Gita...

WOW OH WOW. Could anyone be any more real and honest. Makes my heart sing.

He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." Luke 10:18 Still dont get it @Rupert Spira?

The analogy of INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS as “John Smith” is confusing. We all know a John Smith and they are typically used to denote your average bloke, a separate self, your typical personality. It is still an enigma as to why this name is chosen to represent infinite consciousness. The confusion, I think comes from the idea that infinite consciousness has no name. In a way King Lear seems a better choice for infinite consciousness veiled as John Smith. “John Smith lives as a beggar not knowing he is the one and only KING, infinite consciousness.” Does anyone know the origin of the choice of these names? I’d ask Rupert but I don’t believe he ever responds to comments, or questions on his channel.

Where is the evidence that there is one universal consciousness that we are part of and that each of us is a manifestation of that? We can assume that is the case and feel good about it, but we are just making stuff up.

@PerenniaLight

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t feel that Ruperts talks are meant to provide listeners with concrete evidence for a single universal consciousness, but rather to highlight the fact that the belief in billions of separate individual consciousness takes the same leap of faith. Based on direct investigative experience, I can be very certain that my perceptions and mental activity are subjective, but to say that about the conscious space those two things take place in is a BIG assumption.

@RoYaL3796

3 жыл бұрын

What kind of evidence do you want? A written proof? A recording? 😂

Theres no reincarnation or past lives, unless you want to say that everything is an incarnation of you.. which is true. But who or what would reincarnate? What is it that would carry over from the past? We’re so incredibly self-focused, as if this drama really matters to eternity. Consciousness or god is completely neutral and undifferentiated, these passing thoughts and emotions we experience in our journey through the human, no matter how much suffering or joy is involved, are just infinitesimal ripples in a vast ocean. Of course, if you believe you are riding the crest of the wave and facing certain doom, it seems like a big deal. But thats only for a little while. And who doesnt want a little drama now and then?

@SeaHorseGypsy

3 жыл бұрын

But to someone with a shattered heart, it would be unhelpful and cold to say their shattered heart is an infinitesimal ripple. That person needs a hug not a lecture in non duality.

@TheJooberjones

3 жыл бұрын

Cactus Hands probably both. As rumi said, you have to keep breaking your heart until it opens.

@adeelali8417

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJooberjones The wound is where the light enters

@renesonse5794

3 жыл бұрын

Reincarnation is relatively real not absolutely real. The vasanas or tendencies created during a lifetime collect (sanchita karma) in the subtle body and it is that which reincarnates. This all belongs to what Rupert refers to as the "apparent seperate self". A sleeping dream is real only to the dreamer and the waking dream state is only real to the ajnani or unAwakened one. Ramana Maharshi spoke in detail about this.

@shiningdawn8578

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJooberjones "As rumi said, you have to keep breaking your heart until it opens." Please don't toss about platitudes. IMO, anyone who can be so casual with words like what you quote from Rumi... doesn't understand the pain involved in getting to such a realization.

Wonderful

Wow. So I got the role of being the evil one out of chance, and no worry about judgement upon return to the self ?

@apolloniasimon9961

3 жыл бұрын

Workdove Society will judge you. Not God.

@juliangiulio3147

3 жыл бұрын

haha!

@hereandnow5235

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think any people here can answer the questions like this

@TheJooberjones

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. And many many powerful people throughout history played out the game of being evil, how can we choose good if not by experiencing evil? These words carry a value judgment though, which only exists in the mind. “Evil” really just boils down to selfishness and separation, which ultimately destroys a species. We did have to learn this to get out of the animal kingdom though.

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJooberjones Evil might be a human perception. Is it evil that the seal eats the mother penguin returning to her starving chick after the father has been sitting for months in the worst kind of cold temperatures, himself starving... waiting for her return? Ever saw the documentary " March Of The Penguins"?

Love how he mentions Scriabin ❤❤

@RogerioLupoArteCientifica

3 жыл бұрын

I love Scriabin! One of my favorites. He was a mystic and I feel that's why he was able to imprint so well a numinous aspect in his music

@aidanmikdad4850

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the Scriabin sonatas by Vladamir Sofronitsky is some of the most profound recordings ever. First time I read the power of now and had satori I listened to his fantasie op 28 by Sofronitsky and it was truly wonderful.

Cause AND Effect for Dharma OR Karma is a basic LAW. As soon as the cause is caused, the effect is created. Life (as a force) in reality's structure is potent --- IT is creative. In that sense, WE are co-creators of /or with God (which is creativeness) AS extension, expansion --- kinetic energy from perpetual (energy) in Potential. I notice athiest thinkers love to knock the 1000's of gods that are claimed. These are NOT the ultimate God --- those are perceptions/ interpretations from an understanding. Perception IS not Knowledge. And all we can do is "know" --- using logic --- correctly!

Why is the degree to which we have affinity or love for the search of truth reflected in personal traits, preferences, type of nervous system we have and even such things as personal charts if one choses to belive and inquire in such things? Where is this variability coming from?

@jamesrothwell7474

3 жыл бұрын

percieved usefulness given one's current perception of his/her purpose...?

@bardoteachings

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesrothwell7474 I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Do you mean that I assign meaning to all this things?

What is fate?

This is the type of question is where Rupert would be better off not trying to answer. You can easily tell that he doesn't know the answer to the question being asked and he is trying to answer it anyway and shows his ignorance by entertaining the possibility of reincarnation which goes against everything that he teaches. When a question is posed that you don't know the answer to, simply say I don't know. That way it doesn't make it seem as if you are confused.

@renesonse5794

3 жыл бұрын

He understand it, he just doesn't want to speak of it. Reincarnation is relatively real not absolutely real. Ramana Maharshi spoke of it in detail.

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

The issue is when we attempt to put human traits on infinite consciousness.

@wyattarent857

3 жыл бұрын

He did say he didn't know. It's okay to say we don't know something and still hypothesize / theorize.

@wyattarent857

3 жыл бұрын

Also Rupert practices and teaches Advita Vedanta. Reincarnation is a part of that belief system.

Thank you. Does this body limitation manifest though? It is dreamed? ♥️

My homies John Smith and King Lear 🔥🔥😂🕉

Love is omnipresent, as god, as electricity, love is also "what holds the Universes together". Love is in everyone of us, just as happiness is found deep within oneself, simply for being. In every heart there is love, intuition, loving wisdom.

Past lives makes no sense with nonduality. There are no separate “selves” living through a lineage of different lives. The one consciousness experiences EVERYTHING.

Infinite consciousness ( God ) doesn't localize, the supreme consciousness is just like a screen where different movies can be played. Movie is localized but can't be played without screen, consciousness is the enable! However Vedanta says I am the supreme consciousness-That thou art-you are that. If I am that, which can not be destroyed, which is eternal, then who dies and who reincarnates!! Hence I am the subtle body, consciousness allows me to play my role, and just move on to another life and okay another role. Subtle body is what I am, the person in this physical body, so when body degenerates and dies, I move on to another new body and a new life. This is how I see it and I am in conflict with mahavakya of Vedanta-That thou art! Can anyone resolve it

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you answer your own questions by asking further questions. If consciousness doesn't localize how can you have a movie on the screen. Are the characters on the screen made of something other than the screen?

@understandinglife1161

3 жыл бұрын

jacomina hofmeester thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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there is no fate for that which doesnt exist

Between the consciousness and the body, there is a vast energy field which carries information on human species, individually and collectively. When one is not conscious, his local energy field resonances with a particular energetic frequency which drives his believe, action and fate.

CULTure

does all possible experience appear in awareness?

@MicahHirakuTwiss

3 жыл бұрын

I tend to say no only because our limited ego life has a limited amount of years until we shed the body and slip into unity with the infinite.

@MicahHirakuTwiss

3 жыл бұрын

You could experience anything but what would experiencing the world of form do when one can directly experience consciousness?

@seeker8097

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. All experience is not only “in” awareness, it is “made” solely of awareness. (What would there be to experience if it were “outside” awareness?) If, however, you’re asking if all possible experiences are made manifest, that would require a belief that experience is made of “known things” (rather than the knowing that is awareness/yourself), which makes that question very misleading since you do not actually experience “things.” You only experience awareness.

@pankajgarg6425

3 жыл бұрын

awareness is experience...experience is awareness , its all one ...mind divides/dissects which makes it 2

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Consciousness is Divine intelligence.

As I see it is a huge play where all are actors. In the play/ movie it appears that some are fortunate than others. But what appears as fortunate is unfortunate from another view point. Same for suffering..what appears as suffering this moment is actually a blessing in retrospect. That's why it's a world of duality. N we can escape the 2 extremes of this pendulum n stay at the centre. Balance . Equilibrium. God is at the centre. Also it helps to remember that it is god who is the doer. So no need to believe our suffering is our past wrongdoing. At that moment what was needed we did. In this moment what is needed we do..everytime according to our internal guidance. What is experienced as black today same will be experienced as white later. We have to experience both black n white n realise that there is no happiness in being either black or white. It's at the middle. If circumstances require we can be both black or white. I m not sure if I can express clearly in words.

Why does Rupert and many others claim that the God is good? If God is awareness/consciousness and, as he described it many times is like a screen playing a movie, it is neither good or bad. It's neutral. It would be like saying that electricity or gravity is good or bad. It wold be like saying that your TV is happy when you watch a comedy. What am I missing? In addition, so the best God could do to entertain itself (to experience its unlimited self, as Rupert claims) is to make itself limited by localizing as a human mind? It seems very boring and pointless. We all have the same thoughts more or less, and all of our thoughts are so, wait for it, human. You mean to tell me that the all powerful and unlimited God is entertained by billions of thoughts of road rage, anger, jealousy, joy of eating ice cream, smelling roses, etc? I mean, once you get a full round of all of that, wouldn't it be enough to understand what it is like? Why do it for unlimited amount of time? Remember the movie Bruce Almighty with Jim Carrey? Remember when he was "God" and heard people's thoughts? Imagine experiencing that mess for an unlimited amount of time and all the time. Wouldn't God go crazy by now from that kind of experience? And if God is neutral and only cares about experiencing its super awesomeness of unlimited self, what does it really say about very real and unimaginable human suffering from human history and till this very moment? Sure, electricity can fry a steak or it can fry you if you stick your fingers into an outlet, but then where is "love" in that? It seems, spiritual teachers want to have it both ways, but it makes no sense to claim that God is all about love and compassion and then turn around and say that it is just a screen playing a movie and the whole setup is the way it is because God wants to experience its unlimited self. I'm only human, of course, but doesn't it seem very, umm, selfish? Essentially, it makes humans just bags of flesh and bones for God's entertainment with zero compassion or love. Of course compassion and love are human concepts to begin with, but again, it seems illogical to expect your TV or mirror to emanate any human feelings. Like Sam Harris once asked, do reflection of roses in a mirror make the mirror more beautiful?

@cepamor

3 жыл бұрын

For you and me and everyone else; "I don't know" is about all we may actually ever really know. Existance is something that's way beyond the ability of foggy little selves to fully fathom or comprehend. All we can do is speculate; and imagine to think, to try and edge ourselves just a little closer to feeling and knowing whatever it is that the TRUTH may actually be. Or we can choose to activate cynicism, to criticize those who dare try and help point the way. 😊

LOL, you don't need to explain anything. There is NO evil or hate or injustice.

What about multiple personality disorder?

@rdc2724

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe there is always only one dominant personality, the one that the mind created first, and the other ones are created by the mind to deal with situations that the first one is having difficulties with. (don't know for sure, just a thought). After all, aren't all personalities mind created ?! If you would have been born in a different country and culture, with different experiences, you would probably not have the exact same personality you have now.

So what catalyzes the localization of infinite consciousness?

Why some people suffer so much: . Vedanta explains that unexpected joy or sorrow is related to karma of past life! In that case I find it difficult to accept a harsh punishment such as cancer to a 2 year child, associated suffering & death can be a Divine act. So, it appears, karma of pat life in the form of subtle boy migrates from one life to another, that's where effect of karma ends, the kind of parents you are born to, there after karma of present life takes over. Why a 2 year child gets cancer, or innocent children die in earth quake, airplane crash--isn't that very "nature of life" that certain percentage die at various ages due to various reasons-there is physical pain and mental suffering, physical issues are governed by physical laws like physics, chemistry & biology. Mental suffering is governed by spiritual laws like law of karma. With improvement in medical field we have been able to reduce suffering and death , have been able to improve life expectancy!

Much as I love Rupert’s teaching I find this idea of Consciousness at rest and in movement incoherent as if Consciousness moves it is not immovable, motionless and actionless as Vedanta teaches. If Consciousness moves it is then subject to change and is not all-pervasive or limitless. This notion of Consciousness at rest and in movement reminds me a little of what little I know of Kashmir Shivaism, of Tantra rather than Vedanta. In Vedanta the world-appearance does not belong to the same level of reality as Consciousness which is the absolute reality. The way Rupert teaches, the universe is of the same level/degree/order of reality as infinite Consciousness. As I’ve listened to Rupert over the years and read his books and been to meetings, I’ve felt there are loose ends in his teaching, incompleteness, contradictions which only resolve in the teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta. Rupert is a wonderful teacher no doubt, and I have learnt a lot from him, but his answers to perhaps the most fundamental question of spirituality (apart from Who am I?) are not adequate as they do not discuss levels of reality. This question is this: how is it possible for there to be a world of duality if reality is non-dual? The movement of Consciousness is like the movement of the sun through the sky each day: an appearance only. Consciousness is neither moving nor at rest. This may seem like a small point but I feel it is of the essence of Advaita.

@renesonse5794

3 жыл бұрын

If a stone is thrown into a still pool (Conciousness at rest), are not the ripples (Conciousness in movement) still water? Conciousness in movement is maya and vedanta teaches that maya is Brahman only with the illusion of it not being so. There can't be God and "not God" or as Rupert says, that God can't be infinite and finite.

@irfanmerchant4830

3 жыл бұрын

Rene Sonse Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your taking the time. I don’t know where this idea of a movement in or of Consciousness comes from, or the idea that there is Consciousness at rest and Consciousness in motion. I would ask if Consciousness in movement is Maya then there is no movement in Consciousness. This is exactly what I was suggesting. The movement in Consciousness does not belong to the same order of reality as Consciousness itself (so called Consciousness at rest). It is more like the water in a mirage than ripples in a pond. And from where does the ‘stone’ come which disturbs the stillness of Consciousness - if it is from outside Consciousness then Consciousness is not a secondless reality, if it is within Consciousness it is attributing action to Consciousness. I just find this idea of Consciousness at rest and in movement misleading.

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

@@irfanmerchant4830 If one looks at the science of physics, the observation of the differentiation of consciousness makes basic common sense. Can you identify any observable thing or phenomenon that's totally devoid of movement?

@wyattarent857

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZpointG for one example, the entirety of the universe itself can't be said to ever "move" because it has no location or position from which to travel. There seems to be a miscommunication between what you're talking about and what Irfan is talking about. You're right that every finite thing in motion, and if I understood correctly, Irfan is pointing out that infinity cannot have motion otherwise it must be finite.

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

@@wyattarent857 The understanding that the nature of consciousness is to *_differentiate itself in order to have experience_* is totally lost on Irfan. No movement is the subjective...movement becomes the objective. Without an object (movement) the subject (motionless-Ness) has nothing to experience.

Why, why, why, pffff... 🙃

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

Why not?

@stupid4President

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ZpointG Because it is the mind that wants to know why and it will never be satisfied. Also, see: 'Why' Questions Are Unanswerable. It is also irrelevant; it just is.

I suppose our ego cant stand the idea that our lives are predestined

@juliangiulio3147

3 жыл бұрын

they're not! Your attitude makes the difference, but we have to know about that to exercise this litel but crucial freedom!

Let me share my insight briefly if you dont mind. From my understanding No ones here to suffer in any kind of way whatsoever But you suffer if you lock your self up in conventional human valuing system and not knowing your own unique value which is unique expression of infinity Your life is not about fit in whats already exist Your life is about discovering your own unique value which is given by all that is(god,infinity,universe you name it) And allow it without judgement and express it Many people suffer because they are trying to fit in where they never belong Some people use the suffering as execuse for learning No!!!!! You dont require any suffering to learn anything You gotta pay attention to your self But be brutally honest You will discover what will fulfill you And i guarantee you that cant be trade even with trillion dollars Its that much valuable Stop giving a fuck about boring human value system And discover your own and show them In that way money comes automatically You are expression of infinity And you have your own place Well if you dont value that Then no wonder you getting end up in all kinds of weird places which is nothing to do with you And keep getting stressed I’ve been there And its not a good place to be in Yes you suffer extremely not because universe is just like that or its punishing u But you are keep ignoring your own perfect value which is already given Its like oil trying to mix with the water You cant Be your self You are perfection my friend

" Man has no destiny - although you have been told for thousands of years that you have a destiny. This is what I call the way of the cunning, deceiving, exploiting people. Now when it is said to you that man has a destiny, you never think of a railway train. Only railway trains have destinations, stations. But beautiful words can go on hiding ugly realities. "Man has a destiny" - I have been hearing it from my childhood, and I have been saying each time it has been mentioned by somebody in some way, "Please don't insult me." When I said this to one of my professors, he was shocked. He said, "I am not insulting you. To have a destiny is not an insult, it is the most honorable thing in life." I said, "It may be for you because you don't understand what you are saying. Destiny means predetermined; my tomorrow is already predetermined by somebody. I have not even been consulted - as if it is none of my concern, I am nobody, just some playing cards in somebody's hands; whatsoever he wants he makes out of me. Whatever game he plays, that is my destiny. And this is thought to be respectful?" And the professor was not saying something crazy. That is what is thought all around the world. I said, "I can understand why you are shocked, because you have never thought about the word destiny. How can I have a destiny? I have not determined it. Then who is the guy who determines it? And what right has he got to determine it? He has not even asked me. I don't know him, we have not even been introduced. Just for courtesy's sake he could have asked me, 'This is going to be your destiny - do you like it or not?' But nobody has even bothered that much." Man has no destiny. And I say that it is only man who has not any destiny. Dogs have; buffalos have; donkeys have. They move on certain rails. Each donkey throughout millions of years has lived the same routine life: the birth, the love affair, and the difficulties of marriage, children, old age, all hopes shattered, all dreams unfulfilled, and the darkness of death. All the donkeys have lived that way, they are still living that way - but not man. So first: man has no destiny. Once you understand it, almost all your problems disappear. I say "almost" - perhaps ninety-nine percent disappear; one percent remains. I want it to remain. Ninety- nine percent of your problems are created by deviating you, by driving you into ways which are not for you. But whenever I said that this is an insult, the reaction was the same - a shock. Slowly I became aware that people don't use words consciously. What they are saying is almost like a parrot, perhaps worse than a parrot"

Infinite consciousness is John Smith .... God is King Lear and his dream characters who dream their own dream in the dream of God are both made of infinite consciousness and appear in infinite consciousness. It is infinite consciousness itself that brings creation and manifestation into existence. Through the eyes of God's dream, infinite consciousness is experiencing the finite.

For the first time, I see some incoherence in Rupert's explanations. Unless he admits this experience as an illusion.

@aurelienyonrac

3 жыл бұрын

Dream : you see stuff No dream : being is here

Evil exists because of free will.

God has no role to play in our lives, physical world exists in duality-day and night, boy/girl on n on . Same way good and evil. There can not be good without evil just as there can not be day without night! Entire universe is manifestation of supreme consciousness ( Divine intelligence or say God ) as per Vedanta.

We don’t know God. How can we say God is all good..........God nobody know him.

@seeker8097

3 жыл бұрын

If your definition of God is an entity outside of ourselves, then you’re correct, we can’t know God. If, however, God is Love (the indivisible peace of all knowing), then nothing else is known. God as an entity is a temporary thought. God as Love is eternal.

@pfaunimaster523

3 жыл бұрын

What you call God is a state of awareness. You have to acknowledge that state in yourself 😃

@joajoajb

3 жыл бұрын

Jshaktiha River yes! Nobody knows. I do not know. Looks like that's a much better place for God to be in. Unseen. nameless, undefined and unimagined. I do not know sounds like a much better place to be than I know :)

There is no God. We are nothing experiencing something. Thus we are nothing, something and everything as the same time. There is nothing there. If you label it as God then you fall in a circle, where does God comes from. God is nothing !