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Awesome, thank you. I started with the Edge Apex, which came with some lapping films. I just abandoned that system because of it's inconsistencies, and moved to the WE. But I knew the films did well. So, I just picked up a couple of these glass platen stones and the films. Haven't used them yet, but I expect good things. Everything else you mentioned regarding the Aluminum Oxide and breaking in the diamond stones mirrors my experience. The Japanese stones are awesome, but they are thicker which means rechecking your angle, and you have to flatten them occasionally, and the water...etc. Diamonds and film are the way to go. Easy.

Good to see someone else still appreciating the diamond line-up from WE. I've been running their system for 4 years, and just found out about this 2200/3000 diamond stone today. You're the only content creator with this stone currently, I would love to see more information on the edge it produces pre-lapping films! I've had this system long enough that I had to have the Kangaroo, Chosera custom handles, and their 0.6/1.4 ceramic stones to get a mirror finish. Swapping the angles using the wetstones is a pain, I would love to use the diamond stones to 3000 then simply lap/strop depending on the edge type! Agreed on avoiding the ceramics. I've had countless sets simply fall off mid-sharpening and leave me with an expensive handle and dropped shattered stone. The films are undoubtedly the way to go and the Alu Oxide lasts for quite a few knives. What difference did you find in the diamond lapping films? Haven't tried them yet but you seem to know what you're talking about here.

@knifeaddict1014

4 жыл бұрын

I use the films I really like it

Thanks for the input. I found them at wicked edge

Great vid man. I love the 3m films.

Would love a vid on the 2,200/3000 grit stone

@BBBYpsi

3 жыл бұрын

I have This set of diamond grit stones and it really does the great job but after I do those I go to a ceramic 1200/1600 then 1.4/.6 ceramic then I go to my 5 and 3.5 micron leather strap and then I do my 1 and .5 micron leather strop. I do have the 6 micron lapping film but found I do not need it since I have the ceramics that go real fine

@knifeaddict1014

2 жыл бұрын

@@BBBYpsi but wouldn’t you do the 1.4 and 0.6 then goto the 1200 and 1600? Also how is the 2,200/3000 holding up?

Awesome vid. This is exactly the info I was looking for! Thank you Sir!

I worked in the foodservice equipment industry for years. I can't tell you how many chefs I've seen ruin blades on steels. They always do that super fast, nearly flat angle that very likely does nothing or ruins the bevel. I just bought the wicked edge system and I can't believe anyone uses anything else. We used to sell the arkansas stones (novaculite) you mentioned, I just think they don't teach people how to properly use them and most end up getting frustrated with flat stones. People buy the highest grit they can find and can't understand why its not instantly sharp. They come with a little wedge guides set at 20 and 17 degrees which definitely help but don't solve the issues of a wobbling hands and uneven pressure. Unless your a 400 year old japanese man, it's a skill that takes a crazy about of time to master. The wicked edge system really takes all the stupid out of the equation. It certainly takes time to lean how to position the knife but, once you've profiled and "reset" your knife to the system, Its absolutely second to none. My filet knives are so sharp, they whittle the bone when I get too close. I'm about to take the plunge on some of the Japanese stones you've mentioned, stropping just isn't getting me to where i'd like to be and seeing that mirrored edge made me throw my wallet at the screen.

You can always spot a knife guy from the lack of hair on the back of his hand. Great video, thank you!

thanks for the video. i just got a wicked edge after dumping my kme. im ordering the 800/1000 stones now but good to know my next stone progression after those. i was going to get the 1200/1600 ceramics but i guess this must be better? you would know you have them all so you ve tested the process.

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

kevin draper definitely get the diamond stones and diamond lapping stones, they are quite a bit better than ceramics

@matthewclay4446

3 жыл бұрын

No this is way later

I actually been using my 80 grit more to cut threw the metal faster, it works so much faster, and I been getting some amazing mirrors!

bought pro pack 1, bought the 1500 grit with the glass that i put the 6 lapping tape on, 1500/2200 diamond, 3000 diamond with the glass that i put the 1 lapping tape on. the system came with the the 5 and 3.5 paste so i use those as well and progress like you but man are the stones expensive. paid about $400 for the 1500, 1500/2200, 3000, 6 and the 1 lapping tape. the pro pack 1 cost me $500 so you figure a $1000 dollars for piece of mind. i suck at free hand and spent money on other systems like apex and kme but the wicked edge beats them all hands down in my opinion. used to pay to get my knives sharpened until my american lawman got hacked up and i said fuck that and spent money until i found this system. the consistency that this provides is by far the best out of the systems i mentioned( in my opinion). yes there is a slight learning curve but once you find the sweet spot for each knife, razor, razor sharp. also, some steels perform better with a toothy edge(s30v) so i dont completely go through everything but steel like m390, takes a polish edge like a champ

so let me start by saying I've already got fantastic results not quite full mirror polished finish but excellent results with shiny edges that are hair shaving sharp push paper cutting Sharp and this is how I do it. I wanted an opinion on my way. I start out apexing the knife with the 600 grit depending on the steel I'll go 200 if it's something really hardened. After I apex, I'll move up to 800 grit and then a thousand grit wicked edge stones and I will actually tape on 2000 grit sandpaper and 3000 grit sandpaper to the actual stones using tape. Am I missing out by not using something with diamonds in it or stropping even though it's extremely high grit sandpaper that I'm taping on to the stone itself?

I have the Wicked edge generation 3 pro. Which stones and lapping films should i get for my cheap western knives at work after the 800/1000 diamond stone?

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

Alex get the 1500 diamond and then if you want the 2200/3000 stone and then the 6 and 3 diamond lapping films. Even at 1000 they will be very sharp

Im about to pick up a WE pro pack 1 with plans to expand to a system similar to this. The only real difference is I would be getting the 1500/2200 stone next, then the 3000/glass blank. It's only five bucks cheaper than the 1500/blank 2200/3000 in the video but it allows me to expand one set of stones at a time without paying for a blank side I wouldnt use for a while. My only foreseeable problem is the lack of 0.5 micron films. WE doesnt have them on their site and the only place that has them locally only has them in solid sheets so I would have to cut my own to size.

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Lefeaux that sounds great you will get excellent results. You should get fairly close even without 0.5 micron. I can’t emphasize enough, stick with the diamond 3M lapping films, they last longer and produce better results.

The 6 micron lapping film is redundant since 3000 grit is equivalent to 6.6 micron. After the 3000 grit, just go straight into the 3 micron film. You'll get the same results and you'll save yourself $30.

Thanks for sharing. I am curious about how you maintain your knives after they’ve been previously sharpened on your WE and after they’ve been used enough to experience degradation of the edge. Do you just go through the entire progression every time you need to touch up your knives?

@jaxbeach09

4 жыл бұрын

Ive got this same sharpener. The only time I go through the entire progression is if I get a new knife and want to put my preferred angle on it. I try to touch up my everyday knife at least once a week. To me and this is my opinion, if it doesnt shave its not sharp. If its pulling the hair and not shaving it, I start at 1000 grit diamond and go to 1600 grit ceramic to give it a touch up. Hope that helps.

@stuartpayne6473

4 жыл бұрын

Is the blade is damaged then sure start from scratch but no you wouldn’t normally. If the blade has lost its edge slightly I start at 800/1000 and move up to 1600 then strops. After use I find a quick hone on the steel works brilliantly for keeping the edge longer and if the edge isn’t sharp enough then a quick 20 per side strop will usually tell you if the diamonds need to come out

great knife sharpening videos. i have the wicked edge basic set. if im only using my knives for hunting and they are all s30v, am i good with that or do i need to add the 800/1000 or even the 1500? thanks

Have you used the tsprof 3? Is wicked edge still best?

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

Neil oppa I’ve seen it and like many sharpening systems, you can get a knife sharp with it, no doubt. I still think wicked edge is the best because of the stones, lapping film on glass plates, and diamond stone grits that go up so high, along with all the other attachments you can get. No matter what system you go with, take your time and practice a lot. I used to think by having the wicked edge that my knives would easily have a mirror edge, but truth is it took a lot of practice and hard work to get them that way, now I know how to do it fairly easily.

I use the aluminum Oxide and works great mirror edge

So I just got everything the only thing I do not have is the 1500 grit stones. My main question is my line up bc of stock available is 6/3 1.5/.1 is that to big of a jump from 1.5 - .1? For some reasons that’s two lowest in stock. Thanks for the help :)

@Sweetknives

3 жыл бұрын

I think you will be just fine with that sequence, try it out and see how it goes, the lapping films are really good if you do the earlier steps right.

Hi I can not decide which system to buy? We130 pro pack3 or Gen 3 pro which would you recommend? Both systems are extremely expensive in Germany. Greetings from Germany

@CaptDavesSportfishing

2 жыл бұрын

and in the USA too!

Thanks for the great info. Trying to follow your advice. I do not see the .5 micron film on the site. I see 1.5 but not .5. My thanks.

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

I think they may be out of stock of that one now or discontinued it. You will be fine if you use the lowest ones they have, they will put a fantastic mirror finish on your edge.

@matthewclay4446

3 жыл бұрын

I use 3 different leather strops instead 3.5/5 then 2./4. then 1./.5 if you don't like ill buy you what ever you want plus you can use all strops without wicked edge just by hand and get differabt affects with differant knives and metal trust me way better and you can do so much more these these and I do have both I just like leather better !!!

I don’t see the .5 micron on the wicked edge site. Did they stop selling it ? I see 1 and also .1 I’m trying to buy and follow what you recommend. Thanks.

On your 1500 & glass stone, what do you put on the glass side ? I don’t think you said. Thanks.

Info on your stones, some looks different from mine, thicker! Also I always start out with 80 cuts time in half! Try it you won’t be disappointed!

How many strokes per stones set do you guys put on your knives??

Where does one get the 0.5 micron film? Can’t find them for some reason.

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

birdmandrums they must be out of it. They used to have it on the wicked edge site.

How many passes per side/stone would you say you generally do?

@mikebrost286

4 жыл бұрын

This totally depends on the knife material. I've done Wusthof & Kitchenaid knives that I can do full size kitchen knives in 20 passes per side with the upward swipe motion, Shun & Miyabi @ 61-62 HRC usually takes more near 100 passes per side. Super hard tool steels like HAP40, some cobalt stuff, anything above 63 HRC could be hundreds of passes per side to completely remove old scratches. I just spent 6 hours getting a 2mm chip out of a HAP40 knife, then bringing it to 8000 grit shine on a 10.5" asian knife, by far the longest i've ever spent on a knife. Most are done in 15-30 minutes for 8" kitchen knives. Divide by length for other types of knife.

@rickmcq6905

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Brost I’m thinking of doing a knife sharpening business on the side. Based on your experience can you sharpen the average person’s kitchen knife in 15 minutes. The charge is about $1 per inch

@mikebrost286

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickmcq6905 I could do so when very practiced, but that was when I was doing 2-3 passes per second. I would give yourself 20-25 minutes to get it up to the 1500 grit or 2200 grit level. Everyone is different however. Buy a Walmart knife and a kitchen aid, and time your experiences.

Can you buy the 3M films pre cut for the Wicked Edge?

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

Ron Gallant they sell them on the main wicked edge website

@RonGallant

4 жыл бұрын

So the ones they sell are the 3M ones? I was hoping I could get them cheaper that $30 a pack. LOL

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

Ron Gallant unfortunately I have not seen the 3M ones cheaper

@RonGallant

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Excited to see the results.

@RonGallant

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like they don’t sell .5 micron

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You start that low grit on every knife or first time sharpening?

@Sweetknives

3 жыл бұрын

usually to set the right profile

@JBiskitz81

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sweetknives Thanks man. Just got my WE100 and loving it so far

@Sweetknives

3 жыл бұрын

@@JBiskitz81 awesome and good luck to you

How about for Japanese gyuto/chef knives?

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

There are different ways to sharpen high end chef knives, one of the ways utilizes the wicked edge putting a bevel on the end at whatever degree you want. The other is to maintain the original shape and if using that method, stones probably would work best. Is personal preference which way you choose and like best.

You no longer use the Japanese water stones?

In short, use the bigger grits to the finer grits. To finish use some super fine.

Great video. Have you considered adding the micro fine ceramics instead of the diamond lapping film or in combination?

@Sweetknives

5 жыл бұрын

I have the micro fine ceramics and I am not overly impressed with them compared to this sequence outlined in the video using lapping films as the final stage. I would be curious to hear the results others are getting with them though and if they have a sequence that also gets a perfect mirror finish on the edge. Thanks.

@jaxbeach09

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sweetknives When I bought my setup it had the 100-1000 diamond and 1200-1600 ceramics. Shortly after I bought the 5, 3.5, 1, and .5 micron strops. I wasnt too impressed with the strops so i stopped using them for awhile and substituted 2000 and 3000 grit sandpaper which gave me the polish I was after. I bought some blank glass and the 3M lapping films. The lapping films brought the shine out even more. One day I decided to give the leather strops a try at the end of the progression and it was crazy how much more the strops made it shine even after lapping films.

@Sweetknives

4 жыл бұрын

Justin Mays that’s awesome if you also found a good sequence. I’m curious if the lapping films you used were diamond 3m or just the regular, and when you used the leather strops what did you put on them?

@jaxbeach09

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sweetknives Im using the paste that comes with the strops from Wicked Edge but Im looking at alternatives since Wicked Edge gives you a tiny amount. Im not sure which films they are but either way they work and get the job done. I order the films already precut so I can peel, stick and go. Here is the link of the films I got. I went with strip kit #4. www.bestsharpeningstones.com/product_details.php?category_name=Micro%20Lapping%20Film&product_id=192

What about the ceramic stones?

@Sweetknives

3 жыл бұрын

I got 4 ceramic stones laying around that never get used anymore. They are not needed.

@jameswhite8831

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sweetknives how much do you sell a pack of lapping films for?

What grit did you gave o. Your chosera I loved my 5000/10000 sto es but cracked to pieces stuck on my hot glue by wicked edge.

@Sweetknives

3 жыл бұрын

I had all the chosera stones, up to 10,000. Still got them and they work excellent, its just that the lapping films are easier, less messy, and do a slightly better job faster.

Is 3000 Grit equivalent to 6 Microns?

@AL_1547

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you haven't been holding your breath for a year waiting on this response, but yes, 3000 grit is about 6.5 microns. Really don't need both of those. Honestly, I'd probably go 1500/6 micron then 3 micron/1 micron and call it a day. You'd get a pretty incredible mirror with that and you're cutting out two sets of handles. Even if you wanted to go crazy you can swap that 3/1 to a 3/1.5 and add the 1/.1 or something and still have 1 fewer set of handles than this.

You should of sharpened one for us

do you sell number 7&8 on your list?..........7) 6/3 micron diamond lapping films by 3M 8) 1/.5 micron diamond lapping films by 3M

Your set of two glass platens (4) cost $90 plus shipping. Your set of diamond lapping sheets costs $160. So round it off it costs you an investment of $250 + dollars to lap a mirror edge I purchased three sets of glass platens (6) at $140 and a set of ten sheets of Aluminum oxide lapping sheets for $25. I cut my own at a cost of 12 cents a platen. My investment of $165 has more steps in progression which lowers the scratches better. I use 9, 5, 3, 1, 0.3 and 0.05 (500,000 grit) The big plus is my system costs about $100 less than your system and I have 22 refills of lapping sheets per grit as opposed to your 10 refills per grit. A downside is I have to cut my own platen refills and I need two or three strokes to your one stroke because aluminum cuts slower than diamond. In the end a mirror polish of 500,000 grit is superior to a mirror polish of 60,000 grit and really does not take much extra effort and costs less.

@Sweetknives

3 жыл бұрын

There is nothing wrong with Aluminum Oxide lapping films, in-fact, I use them a lot myself, and I agree its a lot more cost effective to do it yourself, so if you are able to do it yourself I think that's great. For the other 80% of people out there, buying them precut is a lot better since you dont have to fiddle with making them the right size, so I now offer these perfectly precut to anyone out there, here is the link to my listing: www.ebay.com/itm/203307008270