"It's like the sophisticated older sibling. Even though it's younger." - TIME AND SPACE is weird like that, huh? :)

This is by Far the best Video of Why should I be interested by this game!. I am sorry but the other ones are so difficult to understand if you have not played Dwellings. Also your dynamic and how you both give very good points is refreshing. Very happy to have seen this.🤩

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! 🥰 We're so happy it was helpful. Thanks for taking the time to comment 🙂

Absolutely excellent video! Thank you for your honest comparisons.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

It was so wonderful to slowly uncover the layers to the design and think about why you changed what you changed. Thank you for another great design 😊

Excellent video. Thanks so much

Do you need both? Yes. Yes I do.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

😂

This really feel like if Dwellings of Eldervale had a baby with Energy Empire, which sound perfect!

What a phenomenal discussion of AE and comparison with Dwellings. I’ve played both games and love both. I have every intention of owning both.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

We know how much you love Dwellings so that means a lot thank you Don! Cant wait to see you soon...!

REALLY appreciate this video. Knowing this is the follow up game to Dwellingsof Eldervale I was really looking for what this game is like in comparison for what is similar and what is different. This explained it a lot better than other videos out there now. Def feel prepared going into the campaign coming up.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

You're so sweet thanks for the lovely feedback 🥰 Glad it was helpful!! Happy New Year! Hoping we can cross paths again in 2023 🥳

Having the differences/changes talked out was super helpful! Great video! ☕🙏🏼Looking forward to this game!

I’ve never clicked so fast!!! 😭 omg I’m so excited for this, we need a dwellings and andromeda’s game day friends 🥳🥳🥳

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Yes please!!! Any trips to Australia on the horizon? ❤️😄❤️

A few of us on the podcast didn't warm to the Dwellings system initial after a 3-4 plays it was moved on, mainly i think that it didn't suit the theme however I have to say watching this I think with the tweaks they've made and made it more sci-fi theming I think it works so much better

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

Dwellings not suiting the theme??!! That's sacrilege! I mean, you are fighting monsters! Space (to me), is very boring and dull... Yeah, I might have Dune: Imperium in my collection - but that's more because of the gameplay. Also, it isn't a straight-out space theme - it is related to a whole universe - the Dune universe, in which you are on a desert planet - so it is more than just going around space.

@whoseturnpodcast

Жыл бұрын

​@@JJ_TheGreat ha ha I suppose it's just about what connects to you and the feeling you get when playing, i'm probably a bit overdone with fantasy themes personally. To me this version is sooo much more appealing theme wise to get it to the table but mechanically I can see a lot of improvements as Amy & Maggie have mentioned on the vid. I mean I love Eclipse, TI and Voidfall is coming so we'll see if this one has a place.

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@whoseturnpodcast Gotcha.

Very helpful break down. Thanks! I'm noticing a lot of DNA from Luke's older game Energy Empire (which I love).

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

YES - Energy Empire DNA is in here - awesome notice.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome Heath, thanks for watching! Sounds like we need to finally play Energy Empire!

@CptBumFlufff

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought the same thing, EE is so good 🙂

Love your videos, specially because you always talk about your experience in different player counts and that is really important to me. I've never heard about this game before but now I just wanna back it LOL.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ricardo! It is important to us that we try to play a game at every player count because often the conclusions/review can change a lot depending on this! Thanks for taking the time to comment 🥰

_Seven_ improvements? Haha, just kidding! Thanks so much for this rundown; I'm even more looking forward to the campaign launch!

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 nooooo not dwellings!!!! Thanks so much for watching Jon!

@Berndr

Жыл бұрын

lol we actually did ... my group hated it ... except for looking great and having a great storage game sucked ... we kinda enjoyed the very first game before we understood it ... but once we knew the game all issues and weaknesses were exposed ... so we realized it was the most unbalanced and unfair game we ever played with a lot of bad designs regarding the balance, a game with a great idea and totally unpolished gameplay ... In my opinion, the game only works as a fair game, if you play it solo, which now makes a total sense to me, all you tubers hyping it up were playing it as a solo! The major problem was that once we all knew what we were doing we realized the first player is in a huge advantage and will always win the game ... so we decided to test it and that proved true and ruined it completely for us... But it seems, since then the designer has obviously realized all these issues because he has changed every single thing that made the game unbalanced and my group hate it! So to my surprise, I found myself backing Andromeda's edge even after a very bad experience with Eldervale ... because I think these improvements are amazing and totally change the core gameplay for the better making it, balanced, fair, and great! This is what Dwellings was supposed to be! Eldervale only works for players who will come and play it maybe only once or twice and not get enough time to figure out strategic weaknesses and learn the exploits!

You had me at "better dwellings" hahah

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

Right?? Thanks for saying so!

I saw your Dwellings video and wondered if I'd missed out on that one, but kind of forgot about it. This one I've seen hype for it and previews, etc, but because of the space theme I've ignored it. BUT I CAN'T IGNORE YOU TWO!! Now that you've gushed about how much better, crunchiness-wise (new word!), it is, it really sounds like I might be backing it! I'm going to hope for a playthrough video in the campaign before I make any commitments as I'm trying not to back much anymore, but really glad for your perspectives!

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

I do have to say that there already have been playthrough videos out there. Go search YT for them.

Love Dwellings, so keen on this one woooot! And hello to you two! Thanks for the video 🙏👍 Stella

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Hey Stell! Sorry we missed last night... work got in the way 😔 Miss you both! Thanks for watching ❤️

Omg this game is SO gorgeous! Yeah, I love pretty games. And I've always wanted to play Dwellings but it never arrived here in Brazil, so hoping this one do! Great video girls.

After thinking about heavy euros for 6 weeks. I have decided it is the theme alone that sells me. Spaceships and funny horror. And meaningful horror.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Well the world definitely needs themers 🥰

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

Lol, you might as well just go out and buy the cheapest space themed game you can get, if that's your take 😉

@kitcarpo4745

Жыл бұрын

@@JJ_TheGreat I don't know what you mean by that.

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@kitcarpo4745 Because you just said, "I have decided it is the theme alone that sells me"... And you said nothing about liking any of the mechanics of the game, so I was, joking - in a tongue and cheek way, saying that if the theme is the only reason you want this game, than you might as well spend the LEAST amount of money and get a game with a space theme.

@kitcarpo4745

Жыл бұрын

@@JJ_TheGreat i,,,,I did. I got three table hog space games now. And I have one from the 90s that is Battlefleet Gothic. glep.

I love you ladies! I'm seriously considering this game thanks to your review. And considering that I've only been in the hobby for four months. This will be a real challenge to learn I'm sure. ❤

@mikevanderveen4092

Жыл бұрын

There is some layering built on previous designs. But, game design is sort of similar to computer design in that it really comes down to the user interface being a key factor in playability no matter what your experience level. The base game play is placing a Unit on a hex and doing the action, or regrouping all the Units/workers/pawns you placed in previous turns. The strategy and "playing well" come with experience playing Dwellings of Edervale. In fact, some people that play a lot of games get tripped up when learning new games because the attempt to force their will on the game vs. working within the structure of the game they are playing. Each game is it's own. :)

Retrieving workers seems a bit like an end of round resource/income collection mechanic, but you have more control over than other games

@mikevanderveen4092

Жыл бұрын

You can fly your ships home any turn, do not need to have an empty Launch Bay first. So, there is great flexibility in making use of the engine you build with the modules you purchase.

"Crunchier in every sense of the word." This comment forced me to picture you guys literally taste testing the 2 games. :)

Appreciate their coverage, Amy & Maggie. Cheers

I have watched A LOT of AE content, and this is easily one of my favorites! Your level of excitement is so evident and it’s somehow making me more excited than I already am. Very helpful comparisons that I’ve seen other places, but this video explains those the best, in my opinion. Thank you both! 🤩🙏✨

Enjoyed the video. I'm going to back it when it opens up. I also noticed that you have your copy of Distilled. Us in the US are still waiting due to a spanner in the distribution plan.

Amy.. "so you buy a dragon in Dwellings..." cue Maggie. "summoning... you're summoning a dragon." LOL - yes, themer! Love hearing both of you chat about a game and your biases do come through. Awesome dialog!

Thanks for this, I have enjoyed a couple of plays of Dwellings, and this helps me decide if Andromeda's Edge is for me.

Just wanted to say your both amazing boardgame reviewers, keep producing these great videos please.

Thank you for your great and very helpful video. I just got Dwellings of Eldervale in retail a few days ago and I fell in love with it at once. Fortunately I found this video comparing Eldervale with Andomedas Egde, a game still totally unknown to me. And lucky me... the late pledge is still open. So thanks again for introducing AE to me. 😍 Greetings from Germany...

#Quicksmart Love it!! I can't say the Differences you have listed here are Improvements. I like doing the math during the game to know how far apart everyone is. Having meater differences sounds good enough for me to put a 4th Space Theme Game in my collection.

@pvaughan007

Жыл бұрын

We think you should try it on TTS and find out! :) We could be the BEST space theme game in your collection...

@monicamurphy6552

Жыл бұрын

@@pvaughan007 I have never used TTS. But sure I'll give it a go.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

That's a very fair comment! They are certainly improvements in our opinion only & can completely see how they wouldn't be for other gamers Mon, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Hidden scoring at the end can be fun too. It still has that element due to the different monument values but being able to be sneaky about which tracks score along the way brings some fun interaction to the game too. Maybe we'll get to play it together sometime in person this year! ❤️

@monicamurphy6552

Жыл бұрын

@ThinkerThemer Wait, are you going to DTW now?? If not I would be happy to wait and play at GenCon. I totally understand your point too. I have only played it at 5. So my opinion might change at lower player counts.

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@ThinkerThemer I really don't get the idea of "being sneaky about which tracks score". In Dwellings, you can see what color everyone has their dwellings on; what color adventure cards players have; and where players are in the faction tracks.

I'm still awaiting the day that I can actually get my hands on dwellings. Even though this game might be more refined in some ways, the theme just doesn't do it for me the way the theme in dwellings does. So I'm gonna just stick with that one....... Eventually...... Hopefully lol

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

Understood - fantasy is great. We do have a dragon promo - and stretch goals may bring other fantasy creatures in here. Oh by the way - on our newsletter we are going to give away Dwellings to a few members of the Andromeda's Edge Facebook fan group - another shot at Dwellings!

@williamfaughnan6298

Жыл бұрын

@@CardboardAlchemy love it, and thanks for the tip and feedback. Keep up the great work!

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! The theme gives Dwellings the extra oomph for me! However, I will back this one too - because of the different mechanics and getting to play with the different abilities with regard to the factions.

im in the same boat as Maggie...something about the space theme I couldnt care less about but i adore the theme of Dwellings...but having playtested Andromeda's edge, I loved a lot about it. In the end, I feel like I want to own and play both. Both similar, both give enough of a different vibe to be fun. Also want to support the designer and publisher who are all amazing people.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Could not agree more with all of this! Thank you for watching as always ☺️

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for giving the game a try and discovering more about our take on space games! And for the kind words about wanting to support designers and publisher. Cheers to you!

This was great, thank you! Looks awesome! I do hope they implement some of this into an expansion, as I prefer the fantasy theme...

Well done!

Great summary of the game! It definitely sounds like it shares a lot with Dwellings but has some great improvements.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard! I know you're hanging out to hear more about the solo mode improvements - like Maggie!

@odgregg

Жыл бұрын

@@ThinkerThemer Yes, definitely interested in finding out more about that!

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

@@odgregg Hi Richard - we have a lot of exciting info on solo coming, can't wait to share with you!

@odgregg

Жыл бұрын

@@CardboardAlchemy Looking forward to it! Having only just got Dwellings a few weeks ago, the solo for it could do with some difficulty levels which I believe are coming in Andromedas Edge.

Thanks for the video! I will check out the campaign. Before watching this I too was worried about the downtime between turns. The turns in Dwellings are SO fast and it's great. I watched some other playthrough videos and some of the turns took a long time to complete. I just find that in my group when the turns get too long, people start checking their phones and get distracted.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

That can definitely happen in the beginning if everyone is watching every else's tableau activation (in a playthrough they would purposely want to talk through this). Once everyone has a handle on this you can keep the turns moving while they run the last parts of their engine. But certainly there is more scope for longer turns here (and like you, we have some friends where this would be a real issue!)

I totally agree. Especially about the tracks, not just a multiplier but also neat benefits that incentivize going up different tracks. We had a 2-player game and not many new planets came out, but we still had a lot of fun. Looking forward to the campaign.

Jeez that is one gigantic board!

@lukelaurie

Жыл бұрын

The final board is smaller I'm told. This is a prototype.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Ooo smaller board... we are happy to hear that too thanks Luke!

@kathleenstanford8431

Жыл бұрын

Please, please let the final version of the board be horizontal orientation not vertical 🙏

Goodness so much about this game (especially the space theme) is not appealing to me. I normally avoid complex games, but.. you are both so good at explaining how it all works (not jus the rules) it actually looks really fun because you help me to see past the bare mechanics. I love how you can use the tracks to completely change the game elements such as resource worth and hand limit etc.

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

And you know what other game did this to a previous game? Gaia Project implemented similar things like this to Terra Mystica. And they are both space themes, taking over fantasy themes.

Thank you for the thorough overview and thoughts on how this compares to Dwellings. This games looks right up my alley as it reminds me of my favorite sci-fi/space-themed games: Dune Imperium, Eclipse, and Xia. I'm going definitely going to keep my eye on it.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

I've (Amy here) only played one of those big titles - Eclipse! Glad the theme is something that excites you Franco. Thanks for watching!

22:18 As I just mentioned, this is also true of Dwellings. The special abilities incentivize you to unlock a particular worker type earlier, so that you can use them to your advantage… I am not sure I told you all this before, but I love games which hold my hand, so to speak, by helping guide me with a strategy. I love games which introduce objectives and/or special abilities - and both Dwellings of Eldervale and Andromeda’s Edge have these!

This is the first of your videos I’ve seen and I absolutely loved you’re energy, delivery of information, and enthusiasm, without coming across like a used car salesman (won’t name names, but they do a lot a how to plays). Ive never played Dwellings but it seems right ip my alley, gameplay and thematically. I have been waiting for the, I believe, 5th printing. I came across this game completely by accident and when looking for reviews, your “7 improvements” jumped out. As you say, the space theme is lesser for me than the space theme of Dwellings, but the improvements sound intriguing. Great video! Lastly, I appreciate you’re not lowering yourselves to being scantily clad for views, as some female reviewers do. Your screen presence had my attention without it.👍🏼. I look forward to more of your reviews and videos.

35:49 But there is plenty of strategy in Dwellings. For example, where is the best place to put what I called “Dwelling outposts”, after going to the dungeon. Normally you would want to put it somewhere close to another dwelling and also adjacent to Ruins, so that you could build a dwelling there and gain more points. However, like in Chess, there may be situations in which you actually want to keep the board closed, to prevent your opponents from having a great area to build a dwelling (for example, if you think you are already ahead in dwellings and you do not want your opponents to have a chance to catch up). Also, which tracks should you go up on? Which Adventure cards to take? Also, you need to make sure that you build enough dwellings on a particular color, in order to be able to score your Adventure cards for that color.

Hi Amy and Maggie! Really excited for this game! I'm still trying to be picky about what I back. This will be my pick for January. I also backed The Dice Tower, but I'm going to say it doesn't count against my quota :D Sadly, I've only played my copy of Dwellings of Eldervale once. My primary game met a couple of times during a lull in the pandemic, but we haven't met recently. I might be able to get it to the table one more time with my other game group. I'm a pretty big fan of sci-fi, although I haven't read as much as I used to. I still try and pick up the Hugo-nominated works each year. Some of my favorite video games, movies, and tv/streaming series are sci-fi, so I'm very happy with the sci-fi theme of Andromeda's Edge. The new theme definitely gives me vibes of going from Civ 2 (ok, not fantasy) to Master of Orion 2, one of my favorite games of all time. My only desire would be to have a co-op variant, but I know that's really hard to do with this type of game. Some types of games are just better-suited to a specific medium. Hope you both are doing well! Looking forward to your next video! :D

Love the changes here but my love for the theme of the original is swaying me enough to keep my Dwellings! Such a fantastic game, happy to see another option. also.. Maggie pointing out the summoning was such a perfect themer moment 😁love it also... I love your watch Amy, such a classic! (Watches are my other hobby 🙈)

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

Hi Adam, Do you feel enough to back the game yourself if you are going to keep Dwellings? I am just curious... I, too, feel more compelled by the theme of Dwellings - and I own everything for the game.

@ShelfClutter

Жыл бұрын

@@JJ_TheGreat my first impressions are that the games are similar enough that I would recommend to go with the theme you prefer most. There are some clear improvements here like combining rewards into the tracks but the added energy, event track, and other mechanisms also add overhead and I never felt that dwellings needed any more than it has (plus I love the monsters 😈). The reroll for the combat is very interesting but can also be house ruled into dwellings if you prefer it, which I might try :) I think if I owned both I would just always prefer dwellings so I'll be keeping that and just observing the campaign

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@ShelfClutter That makes sense. Thank you for sharing your perspective! 😀

@mikevanderveen4092

Жыл бұрын

@@ShelfClutter - Nice. Will be very interesting to see how this initial perspective holds up once you get a chance to play AE.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Adam... and for the keen eye noticing my watch 😆 Definitely a step up in complexity from Dwellings. For me that makes it harder to go back to but for others they might prefer the simplicity of Dwellings. Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Maybe we'll finally get to play together in 2023? ❤️

Nice... looking forward to this one. Played Dwellings (not my favorite theme though) and liked it a lot and also tried Andromeda's Edge at Essen. Liked what I saw, but thought at the time (I was sitting in for one round) it was all a bit much. It is a theme that I prefer over fantasy

Thanks for this. With both games making their way slowly towards the German market I was seriously debating which was better for us and while I suspected it before this video makes it clear: Dwellings of Eldervale is better for us. Many things you cite as improvements make the game more complicated (which is different from more complex). And that's not always a good thing! From what I can see and there are also things that are a lot less intuitive because of the setting. While everyone understands very easily that wizards may teleport or dragons may fly it's much harder to remember these things with spaceships. (I also think the look and iconography of Dwellings is much clearer). The biggest improvement seems to be box space tbh.

This game looks amazing!

great video! I own and love Dwellings of Eldervale and am on the fence of backing this one.. need to find a video about the solo mode as DoE has a great one.. this one needs a great one as well for me to back it as I don't get to play that much multiplayer games sadly..

It reminds me of Gaia Project/Terra Mystica. By that I mean that they improve on a fantasy themed game with a space themed game ! :) Really nice video, you are great !

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Hahah didn't think of that but you're so right!!! Does that mean next we get a gateway version? 🤔 Thanks for the kind words! 😊 ❤️

@pvaughan007

Жыл бұрын

@@ThinkerThemer hmm, listening...

I still regret selling my copy of Dwellings Legendary edition before trying it. Won't make that mistake again :)

Great job as always. Wondering if Luke Laurie had a falling out with Breaking Games (publishers of Dwellings of Eldervale). Interesting that Luke would make a re-skin and improved version with another publisher.Anyways.....looks well done, as one would expect with Luke's involvement.

34:46 See my comment below - where I tagged @ 33:46. As I said, as an example, I think Gaia Project is mechanically the better game by a mile, as the designers had time and could learn from Terra Mystica (similar to this case with Dwellings & AE), but there are plenty of people that much prefer Terra Mystica - and I could see something similar happening here.

34:37 Yes, me too! And I also love miniatures! If you gave me a choice between a fantasy theme and a space theme, I would say that 90% of the time, I will go with the fantasy theme.

Hi! I get the sense you have really positive feelings towards this game, but do you consider it a top 5 or top 10 game of all time? Just wanting to know if this is just another great game or actually a potential masterpiece. Thank you for a wonderful video as always!

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Great question! I think we have to reserve full judgement until we get to play the final version (non prototype) of the game but in all honesty the theme will probably hold it back from reaching such high rankings in our games of all time. I think those who enjoy the space theme will appreciate so much more about the starships and factions etc. Dwellings has always sat very high for Maggie in our collection though so we will have to see how it settles into the collection. Thank you for watching!

21:51 And I don’t really mind that that is how the special abilities worked in Dwellings. To me, that actually incentivizes me to unlock that particular unit - and also it helps as I can synergize that along with using that particular worker type’s bonus (for example, dragons - can move 2 spaces away; wizards - can move anywhere; warriors - are aggressive)… Also, you don’t have to “remember” that that’s an ability that that particular unit has - because your units special abilities are listed on your player board, which you have with you while playing.

Waiting for this one to get it Kickstarter up and running though will be waiting near to the end of the Kickstarter to back. Kickstarter is in 5 days and nearly 14 hours.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

It sure is - we'll be watching the campaign too. Quick note that it is on Gamefound and not Kickstarter this time! Thanks for watching

I'm hearing more rumblings about Andromeda's Edge so I came back to this video. I love DoE, but I'm skeptical about AE because I'm into the fantasy theme, but I moderately dislike space-themed games. So Andromeda puts me in a tough situation. I'm not sure why I don't enjoy space-themed games more, but part of the reason might be the very appearance of the game. They don't make me feel like I'm in space and this one doesn't really evoke my imagination visually either. I know you have a prototype, but I can't imagine the graphics of the final version would be completely different from what you have. Thanks for the comparison video!

Wait...are the player boards reversible? Looks like your boards are opposite each other so your tableau can spread in different directions depending on space?

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

They are!!! We should've mentioned this but it is hugely helpful for table space 👍 great spotting! Thanks for watching ☺️

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for noticing! We'll have to remember to call this out on the page. We've made the space stations even better now and they are keeping this element.

@OwlDragonAdventures

Жыл бұрын

Love it!

23:07 And I think Dwellings also makes you focus on a strategy… Just in a different way - in which you have to determine which lever is best to pull.

Well worth backing

Thank you for this great presentation of the game? Do you think it could be played without direct conflicts / attacks between players, and keep the battle with the baddies? My wife and I love competitive games but not being mean at each other 😅 Thanks again for the video

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Hi Martin! It absolutely could be played like that. It would just mean avoiding each other which is far easier to do than avoiding the baddies (as they move into you space from adjacent spaces whereas your opponents need to decide to move in directly). Honestly the only times I've felt it necessary to fight is a) when my faction rewarded battle and b) when Maggie had planted herself on a spot where I wanted to develop first. 😂 Both unnecessary if you didnt want to play that way. Lol. Hope that helps thanks for watching! ❤️

@martinsouchay7532

Жыл бұрын

@@ThinkerThemer thank you very much for the detailed answer!

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

I feel that the direct conflict is part of the DNA of these games (Dwellings and Andromeda). I know that I wouldn't want to play them if it weren't for the epic combats! 😉

36:06 Bigger table hog than Dwellings?? Well, I think that depends on which edition of Dwellings you have. Considering that I have the Legendary Edition - With all the GameTrayz and the huge playmat which covers my entire (not small) table, I am going to have to agree to disagree that Andromeda’s Edge take up MORE table space than that!

Hmmm... Gaia project is my favorite game and im waiting for Voidfall. Will there be a place for this one in my collection? 🙂

Cool calculator watch!

Is it right to think of the "engine' Amy mentioned that gets as big as your table more as a brain? Thanks, this is good.

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Hmm I hadn't thought of it like that way! It certainly makes my brain hurt on occasion so maybe they are connected 🙃

28:26 Which some people may like that tightness - of who is the first player who will be able to benefit from this. I mean, you have a game like Dune: Imperium, in which you have to work for everything.

❤

This video presents a problem for me. I've already rated Dwellings of Eldervale a 10, so if this has 7 improvements, I will need a new scale!

@pvaughan007

Жыл бұрын

Epic comment Darrell. :) Andromeda's Edge goes to 11, I guess!

I will be honest Except for the art design and beautiful storage my group passionately disliked Dwellings of Eldervale, we thought the gameplay was unbalanced and sucked... the thing is we really really wanted to like it, but as we kept playing we kept finding the bad gameplay over and over again .... for example few major ones, the first 4 door cards were overpowering so if you don't get to grab one, you almost certainly have lost the game... and once you know how the game works if you are the first player you are almost certainly the winner ... this proved to be true for every single game we played unless the first player has extremely bad luck he is the winner! Once we realized all these weaknesses and issues the game was ruined for us! In my opinion, Dwellings only works as a solo game if you want a balanced fair game! but as multiplayer it has too many balance issues for my group to want to ever play it again! So we all agreed it was a great idea but the gameplay just does not seem to work and was not polished enough, so we shelved it! The all improvements you listed for Andromeda's edge, the new scoring and manipulation rules, I must confess have changed the game from the core, making it exciting and fair plus designer has removed all issues that made my group hate the game ... It seems the designer has not been just listening to players but also playing Wingspan whilst working on Andromeda's edge ha ha ha ... that recall engine is totally the wingspan which is good ... that was a great system in Wingspan After watching your video I went to Gamefund and backed Andromeda's edge because you are right, with this one he has hit the bull's eye... this time it does not just look great it plays great... I agree with you on all points, and seems to me Andromeda is everything Dwellings was supposed to be to start with! P.S I in general love your videos you always make such good points... thank you

@Inner2000

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear your view on the Negative side of Dwellings. Thank you.

29:47 But didn’t you just say that you could go to that place right off the end of the edge - which triggers the Event progress to move? I personally think, that the ability to more easily manipulate when the endgame is going to happen makes for a more strategic game - because you can be planning when to do so… Compared to having to rely on the Event system.

The tracks look a bit like the tracks in Teotihuacan

Mmhmm this all sounds pretty good but are there space-centaurs?

34:23 For me, it isn’t that I “hate” space. It is more the fact that I think space is boring - and it is such an over-used theme. I feel that there is more diversity that can be done with a fantasy theme, compared to a space theme.

Me too, I don’t like space themes. I don’t know why I hate space too. Too bad they couldn’t combine this game with the Flamecraft art and theme which is way cuter. But I will get it anyway even though I have DoE and see which one lasts down the road

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

AGREE. More cute games more of the time 🙏 thanks for watching and hope you enjoy this one as much as we have!

@pvaughan007

Жыл бұрын

By the way, did you know that Flamecraft dragons are a playable faction?? A promo where you can play cute artisan dragons in space. These are the voyages of the "plushyprise"...

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

I just think that space is boring. You are just moving around and that's it.

is it similar with Eclipse the second dawn?

How long does it take to play? The way you describe it it seems like a really long game.

Has this replaced Dwellings for you?

@pvaughan007

Жыл бұрын

I love their last line, "keeping both!"

@kevinwallace1374

Жыл бұрын

@@pvaughan007 I must have cut out right before that

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Mechanically yes, thematically no. We might have a future fight on our hands 😂😂😂 Thanks for watching Kevin!

Will those minis come pre-painted?

@ThinkerThemer

Жыл бұрын

Ooo we're not sure about the different pledge options. I guess all will be revealed next week. The minis we had were handmade so we're also very keen to see what the final version looks like. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful! Thanks for watching ☺️

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

Yes, ala all Cardboard Alchemy titles to date, minis are in color. Those who want to paint can still make these ships and raiders more epic, but those who want to play out of the gate will be ready to go. Stretch goal unlocked at the start! Cheers! :)

@nirszi

Жыл бұрын

@@CardboardAlchemy Oh that's awesome! Very much looking forward to this!

@nirszi

Жыл бұрын

@@ThinkerThemer Thank much for the answer! And absolutely great video.

14:05 But some people might not like that element - that they know that one of their opponents intentionally put a card on top, so basically there is nothing which they can do about it. They know that there opponent was either: A) Setting themselves up for a future (next) turn; or B) Messing with someone - and so either way, it isn’t good for them, either way, after it was moved on top.

13:07 Huh? I disagree. In Dwellings, you can have a pretty good idea what players are going for, if you pay attention. For example, 1) It is pretty safe to say that whatever color faction a player is playing - that that particular color will be important to them - since they have an advantage to begin with, when playing that color; 2) Pay attention to the color that the other players play their dwellings on - most likely, there is strategically a reason why they are playing their dwellings onto that color - it is most likely important to them, since they plan it that way; 3) Also, pay attention to the colors of Adventure Cards the other players are playing - again, that most likely denotes what they are going for…

33:46 It reminds me of the difference between Terra Mystica and Gaia Project. Terra Mystica (the fantasy-themed game) came out first and set the stage. Then Gaia Project (the space-themed game) came out [How creepily - similar to DoE vs AE] and arguably (objectively) improved the game in almost every way. GP also made the system more complex - but did some things to make it seem streamlined, too - like getting read of the cult track. However, there are still a lot of people who prefer the original, classic TM. I feel that something similar is going to happen here. …So do you need both Terra Mystica and Gaia Project?…

Pls I need answer to one of the puzzle !

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

Which one are you stuck on? You do know that you can get help on Discord?!

I haven’t played Dwellings of Eldervale but concerning the theme I am with Maggie. I’m not drawn to space games that much 🙃

conflicted by this. I'd totally like an improved Dwellings, but I wish they didn't change the theme.

Whoa didn’t Everdale just come out? Theres too many games coming out.

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

The best games are yet to be made!

@mikevanderveen4092

Жыл бұрын

Dwellings of Eldervale campaign rewards shipped in late 2020/early 2021. The 3rd printing is under way. So, the game has been out, but sold out most of the time. Breaking Games is working to make more.

@JJ_TheGreat

Жыл бұрын

Everdale = Crossover between Everdell & Eldervale! 🤣 🤣 😉

@shortydancer

Жыл бұрын

@@JJ_TheGreat lol they all just blend together at some point

28:10 Huh?? Planet in Dwellings? Build a development?? I didn’t know there were planets in Dwellings - and also, I didn’t know that you built developments… Do you mean dwellings?

Good review. I have Dwellings so I think I will skip this one. I don't think I need both.

23:23 I really don’t think there is a HUGE difference between the factions in Dwellings, to the extent you are making it seem - based on how you are talking about this, in contrasting with Andromeda.

Dwellings has been frustratingly difficult to purchase. The only way we have been able to play is at conventions when one copy may be available. Breaking Games has been saying for 2 years now that they will re-release it, yet still nothing at this time. It's a beautiful game with great game play but totally unavailable.

@CardboardAlchemy

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that Daniel. We'll do our best to get Luke's next game all over the galaxy, and hope that Breaking Games opens up that portal to Eldervale a bit more!