Mr/Dr Gore--thank you for posting these!! The depth and breadth of your knowledge astounds me. I've learned so much!!

@GoreBruce

5 жыл бұрын

You are very kind. Thank you!

@DavidKing-qd3sp

5 жыл бұрын

he has distortion in his critique

@DavidKing-qd3sp

4 жыл бұрын

DEBBIE, you can convince the uneducated of anything, it takes an educated mind for debate and discussion...BRUCE is wrong on many things, especially SDA's...it was the religious leaders who crucified CHRIST and rejected his teachings.

@DavidKing-qd3sp

4 жыл бұрын

Lonnie, I get your point, you listened to Bruce Gore, he is entitled to his opinion, but he is like the Jews who distorted the views and person of Christ. Get your theology from the bible and not from another person's interpretation of scripture. Do you think Mary was believed when she said her baby was from God....and that angels had appeared to her. So Lonnie, I was RC but I found Christ at 22 and did a degree in theology and have never looked back theologically, The SDA's have it. Take a look at our doctrines ---we teach a God of Love who annihilates the wicked ---Bruce teaches a God of eternal hell fire....the 10 commandments were changed by the Roman Catholic church regarding 4th commandment which was prophesied in Daniel 7: 25....So, if I were you I would study more than I listen - to others.

@DavidKing-qd3sp

4 жыл бұрын

Lonnie, Peter quotes Paul in 2nd Peter 3: 16 as one who writes things that are hard to understand and that those who are unlearned or unstable wrestle to their own destruction. So, I want to do justice to the passage 1st Tim. 2: 12 where Paul says a woman cannot teach, but at this moment I don't have the time but I will get back to you maybe to day or tomorrow. Have a good day, it is always good to discuss scripture

Bruce you are one of the best scholars life has to offer , your eschatology is spot on

every cult seems to have elements of Old covenant Judaism that it drags into its teachings. Galatians is as important today as it was in Pauls day.

@GoreBruce

6 жыл бұрын

Good thought! I think that is why Martin Luther used the book of Galatians to such great effect in his controversy with the Roman church during the Reformation!

@shellyblanchard5788

5 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce How true. People really love to try work their way to impress God their works, thinking they have to be perfect in the flesh through laws.

@shellyblanchard5788

5 жыл бұрын

People with brain damage have the episodes sometimes have these hallucinations. She may have even been in the stages of Alzheimer the way it sounds. My mother would see things just before she died, and had fell hitting head causing her see things. She claim couldn't get in touch God.

@Hebrew42Day

5 жыл бұрын

Galatians is surely abused today as it was in Paul's day. Paul wasn't preaching against obedience, He was preaching against circumcision and law keeping being entrance into the covenant promise of Abraham. Gal 3:6 - Only those of _faith_ are children of Abraham. What does faith look like? Heb 11, by faith: Abel provided a superior sacrifice Enoch walked with God and was translated, not facing death. Noah was given the grace of God, showing Him how to receive salvation. (see Titus 2:11-14) Abraham not seeing the promise of God, obeyed and therefore it was accounted to Him as righteousness. Every patriarch and matriarch of _faith_ did exactly what James shows us. They proved their faith by their deeds. Paul tells us this as well. Romans 2:6-11. All will be judged by their deeds, those doing good to eternal life, those not doing good to everlasting punishment. Gal 6:7-10 Those sowing to the spirit will reap everlasting life, those sowing to their flesh - everlasting death. Note, this is right after His admonition that they should now be using their Christian liberty to _avoid_ sin and walk in the spirit. (Gal 5:17-24) Those not walking in the spirit, are walking in the flesh. And as Paul warns us in Romans 8, those producing the deeds of the flesh, are enemies of God, that's why they won't inherit the Kingdom of God. Faith has always been connected to obeying God. God is immutable, He hasn't changed. The SDA is wrong in pursuing holiness through law keeping. But they are not wrong on a Christian requirement to live holy. Paul didn't teach a different Gospel from James, Peter, and Jesus our Lord, Savior and God. The big question here, is do you believe God has changed from the Old Testament? the only way to believe that is to accept Dispensationalism.

@shellyblanchard5788

5 жыл бұрын

@@Hebrew42Day Exactly. Most people who love law have told me that the was not burden some. If they had lived during that they have found out just how burden some it was in order to stay alive.

With respect to the Sabbath what do you make of this statement from Catholic Church: In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read: Q. Which is the Sabbath day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath day. Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday…. Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday? A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday. Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday? A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her! -Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50. In Catholic Christian Instructed, Q. Has the [Catholic] church power to make any alterations in the commandments of God? A. ...Instead of the seventh day, and other festivals appointed by the old law, the church has prescribed the Sundays and holy days to be set apart for God’s worship; and these we are now obliged to keep in consequence of God’s commandment, instead of the ancient Sabbath. -The Catholic Christian Instructed in the Sacraments, Sacrifices, Ceremonies, and Observances of the Church By Way of Question and Answer, RT Rev. Dr. Challoner, p. 204. In An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, Q. How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days? A. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church. Q. How prove you that? A. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power. -Rev. Henry Tuberville, D.D. (R.C.), (1833), page 58.

@user-lu7dg5ny1r

2 ай бұрын

What a crock

@user-lu7dg5ny1r

2 ай бұрын

. From the beginning the earliest Christian went to the temple but celebrated Jesus’s resurrection on Sunday the nations had the Noachide laws , the Jews the Mosaic laws of MT SINAI. I don’t understand how this one simple idea does not reach the Sabbatarians brain. It never says that the Nations have to follow any Jewish Law unless they live in Jewish land or are a God fearer . The laws were meant as purifying process for the Jews to purify themself for the land God gave them and are righteous entering the promised land so they will be ambassadors to the nations for Ha Shem. We aren’t under the old Covenant and unless you want all Pauline teachings gone and slip into heresy I’d be real careful defying Jesus’s Holy ones.

As a Seventh Day Adventist I would just like to thank this man for delivering fine talk. It’s nice to see somebody respectfully disagreeing with us rather than calling us a cult. He was a bit off on a few details but overall I felt like he represented us well. One thing I would like to point out is that we don’t believe that Sunday worship IS the mark of the beast. We believe it will BECOME the mark of the beast when it becomes enforced by law. You will be hard pressed to find a SDA who actually believes that a SDA church member is any more Christian or any more saved than a baptist or any other denomination. Worship God according to your conscience folks and you won’t go wrong. If God hasn’t laid it on your heart to keep the Sabbath, then don’t do it. But if you ever discover the blessing it brings you each week, you will find your Christian walk to be much richer. That’s been my experience anyways. Blessings to you all!

@GoreBruce

3 жыл бұрын

I am very grateful for your fair-minded and thoughtful assessment. Blessings to you and yours!

@blueticks8423

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

@blueticks8423

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce I also really appreciated the way you ended. We all need to do our best to leave preconceived notions behind and let the Lord speak through His word.

@raymondroy4070

2 жыл бұрын

I admire your spirit my brother. I also grew up as an SDA but left the organization after a long career as the first elder of the churches that I founded. I can testify that most of the Adventist I knew came to know the Lord through the SDA doctrines. Most of them are sincere and genuine Christians and are practicing the counsels of the apostle Paul found in Romans 14, Galatians 4 and Colossians 2. For the past twenty five years, I have enjoyed the freedom I found in Christ Jesus. Maranatha.

@blueticks8423

2 жыл бұрын

@@raymondroy4070 Amen and thank you brother. To God be the glory🙌

A study of history clearly point out that worship on Sunday did not originate from the teaching of the bible but from tradition of men.

@brothercaleb

Жыл бұрын

Neither is worshipping on Saturday

@cynthiacox5837

5 ай бұрын

Abraham wasn’t told to worship on any particular day. What do you make of that? Did God forgot to tell him?

@mitchellosmer1293

5 ай бұрын

@@cynthiacox5837 quote---Abraham wasn’t told to worship on any particular day. What do you make of that? Did God forgot to tell him?.. unquote God has stated that He is the Truth (John 14:6). The Truth does not change, for it is always the Truth. In Psalms 119:142, 151 God says that His Law is the Truth. The Truth has always been existence for God has always been in existence. The Truth does not go away due to circumstances. When Adam sinned he sinned against the law of God for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). Therefore the Bible testifies that God’s laws were present in Eden because sin can not occur without violating the laws of God. In Hebrews 11:5 God says that Enoch “pleased” God because he followed and obeyed God. Enoch was not out of harmony with the will of God and God took him to heaven without seeing death. Enoch was not against the will of God and therefore was a commandment keeper, including the Sabbath. In Genesis 6:29 we are introduced to another Bible hero - Noah. This man was considered to be a righteous man by God (Genesis 7:1) and again this would mean that Noah was not out of harmony with God or God’s laws, or God’s Truth, or God’s Way including the Sabbath. Noah was righteous because he had found “grace” in the eyes of the Lord and he did all that God asked him to do and thus God entered into covenant relationship with God. One other aspect of Noah was his name. In Hebrew Noah means “to rest”. This is the root concept of Sabbath - to rest from ones labors. Noah was a living example of resting in the care of His Creator. Noah and Sabbath rest are united by faith in the Creator God. My final patriarch is Abraham. God said that Abraham kept all of God’s commandments, statutes, and laws (Genesis 26:5). Abraham was clearly a sinner and yet God was willing to enter into covenant relationship with Abraham because Abraham trusted His Creator and he was willing to do all that God asked him to do, especially since God was going to help him to do all that God asked him to do. Abraham rested in the grace of Jesus, the Christ, and thus he was a Sabbath keeper by faith in the promises and commandments of God. --Genesis 26:5 i 5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."( 5 I will do this because Abraham listened to me and obeyed all my requirements, commands, decrees, and instructions.”-) NOTHING was written at that time.ALL verbal. Not codified until Mt. Sanai. -Was there a law against murder in the garden of Eden?ABSOLUTELY!! If not, why did God exile cain from the Garden? Where there is No law--there is NO sin!@!! --Was there a law against adultery at the time of Joseph? ABSOLUTELY!! Genesis 39:9-12 King James Version (KJV) there is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? NOT written yet, but still a sin to commit adultery. --- UNWRITTEN laws----!!!! ----- In Mark 2:27 Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” In the original Hebrew----- “The Sabbath was made for THE man, not THE man for the Sabbath.” Who is "THE MAN"???? ADAM!!! The first man!! Mankind!!! ----What is the Greek word for man in Mark 2 27? The Greek words translated "the man" in this scripture are ὁ ἄνθρωπος (Gtr. ho anthropos) - Nominative case, and τὸν ἄνθρωπον (Gtr. ton anthropon) - accusative case. ----Source : #4.03 THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR THE MAN Mark 2:27 Just read it!!! With the definite article in the singular - a definite person who is well known. Here is one use of the article which fits very well with the passage we are examining: the Well-Known ("Celebrity" or "Familiar" Article). This article points out an object that is well known ... Thus it refers to a well known object that has not been mentioned in the preceding context (anaphoric), nor is considered to be the best of its class (par excellence), nor is one of a kind (monadic). Daniel B. Wallace GREEK GRAMMAR BEYOND the BASICS Zondervan p225 This refers to some definite person who may not be named in the immediate context but would be well known to the readers. Some examples are: "the carpenter" (Matthew 13:55), "the bond woman " and "the free woman " (Galatians 4:22), "the elder " (2 John 1:1). These examples are showing the use of the definite article in this way, although they do not link to the word "anthropos ", but the following examples do. Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him: but woe to that man (Judas Iscariot) by whom the Son of man is betrayed! Luke 22:22 And truly the Son of man goes, as it was determined: but woe to that man (Judas Iscariot) by whom he is betrayed! 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you according to any way: for that day shall not come, except the apostasy shall come first, and that man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition; This last example refers to the Antichrist, who is a well know individual, but not yet named.

@shonkennedy6563

4 ай бұрын

Ouch, don't tell them that ​@@cynthiacox5837

Wasn't reverence for the sabbath spoken of in Genesis? So how did this day of reverence switch to Sunday? Oh! It was pagan Rome that claimed power to change God's day of rest and observance...after all who has power and is ruler on earth?

The truth is Jesus Christ/The word of God and Christ said: “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”

@aek12

3 жыл бұрын

The truth is not Jesus christ. But what made him Jesus Christ.

@malcolmnoel9044

2 жыл бұрын

The bible has three definitions for truth. (1) Jesus is the truth(John 14 : 6) (2)God's word is truth(John 17: 17) (3) God' s moral law is truth. Psalms 119: 142..Psalms 19: 7, 8... Romans 7 : 12. EG White and the SDA upholds ALL THREE DEFINITIONS.

Just wondering if it was done on purpose that the video about The Seventh-Day Adventists is video number 7... Just saying

@GoreBruce

6 жыл бұрын

Wow! ...I wish I'd thought of that!

@hulkbailey1

6 жыл бұрын

Bruce Gore lol just random thought, btw your teachings are a blessing, I really appreciate how you gives words of encouragement and challenge the body to Godly living at the end of each lesson, God Bless you!

I think it is important to understand that worshiping on Sunday instead of the Bible Sabbath is one of the most popular presuppositions in Christendom. I am a Sabbath keeper but I will link to this video. Great research all things considered.

@Bunfire123

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Heathman Wow, where’s your Christ like spirit?...Christian.

@andrewmartsch

3 жыл бұрын

@HohBeWan1 we’re not hating anyone. I guess I can’t speak for all SDA’s but Jesus said for us to love our neighbor as ourself. Now about the Sabbath, In Exodus 20:8-11 it says, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. There is no where in the Bible that says God changed the day of worship from Sabbath(Saturday) to Sunday. The 4th commandment says “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” It was the Roman Emperor Constantine the first who changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday. Only God can change it. Not man.

@nortfroggirl

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmartsch but Jesus Christ was made for the Sabbath or rather born to fulfill the sabbath. Therefore which ever day or days we esteem should be done to the glory of God! I worship every day! And corporately I've worshipped on Sun, Wed, Thurs, Fri & Sat. I realize some feel convicted to esteem Friday night- Saturday & I that it is good for them not to go against their conscience.

@jamesmassingale8512

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmartsch did they not accuse, Jesus,of working on the Sabbath,when he healed the blind man?

@jamesmassingale8512

3 жыл бұрын

@HohBeWan1 not sure if Catholic,are Christians,they seem to put to much faith,in Mary...

Can someone tell me where he gets the 2600 days that he just spoke about here in this video from The book of Daniel.

@GoreBruce

2 жыл бұрын

That was an error. Should be 2300 (Dan. 8:14).

Thanks Bruce for dealing a very important subject and doing the reading for us. Learnt a lot from these 10 video's

@GoreBruce

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! We are starting part two of this series, a verse by verse treatment of Revelation, in the upcoming weeks. I hope you will have time to follow along!

@justinmaonga738

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce but what point are you making against Ellen G white. What is your truth sir!!!

@GoreBruce

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinmaonga738 It is not my purpose at this juncture to make a point 'against' E.G. White. This part of the series is simply a survey. I develop my own views later.

@justinmaonga738

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce because I think if you know someone is misleading you have to lead

@earlysda

10 ай бұрын

ravin, did you know that there were at least 5 errors in this presentation before the 12 and a half minute mark?

Thank you for this interesting series of videos.

@justinmaonga738

2 жыл бұрын

Hosea 4:6

Excellent application of scriptures

HI mr gore great teachings question? Which bible you recommend for everyday reading not too big lol 🤓🤓😎

@GoreBruce

2 жыл бұрын

I like the New King James. The NIV is a little more readable, but takes liberties with the text. The English Standard Version is quite good, and accurate. For serious study it's good to have several versions available and read them together.

@stefpatt

3 ай бұрын

KJV is a stickler for truth. It's derived from the textus receptus text which bypassed the control of the Catholic imposed control of all texts. Adjustments necessary for cultural wording and setting. NIV is not an accurate Bible. Beware the vast majority of modern translations are sourced from the corrupted versions that were published to undermine the true. The defining problem is defining doctrine from corrupted versions, which many faiths do at present.

I was part of the SDA cult for 10 years and left after C19 and them not having an issue with people getting the prick. I feel so embarrassed for falling for this cult. Thank God my eyes are opened now. 🙏

@xintimidate

4 ай бұрын

"Thank God my eyes are opened now" Irony considering youre back in darkness. People love throwing the word cult around to dismiss people rather than actually trying to have a reasonable conversation/debate. The Romans considered Christians a cult, would that mean you would reject Christianity if you were alive at that time? You didnt provide any argument against SDA doctrine with substance, just ad hominems. Many people leave the church bc they get conformable with sin and dont want to follow Gods commandment's and sue the crutch of being saved by faith as a justification to keep living a life of sin. Stop lying to yourself

@christopheradam3604

4 ай бұрын

@@xintimidateha ha ha whatever bro. You adventists are the greatest at strawmen arguments… Let me explain to you why I left: 1) they are full of shit when it comes to baptism. They wont just baptise you because you not “perfect” yet. 2) I worked for the conference in my local country and they are the biggest Hippocrates. They cheat on their spouses, treat other human beings as lessor then themselves and will fire/retrench their staff as and when they feel like it. 3) when Covid started, they had no problem with the covid vaccine (even though they suppose to have a health message) I have family members that died because of the vaccine through unexpected heart attacks. The church doesn’t care about its people. 4) they will laugh at you for studying biblical cosmology and follow a “thus says Mrs white” instead of what the bible says 5) they will laugh at you for considering genesis 6 could be the Sons of God (angels) that procreated with daughters of men (humans) Why - because thus says Mrs white. So never mind if it contradicts the bible. Thus it’s a cult following a cult leader 6) they believe in non biblical theories like the investigative judgement. They claim you need to be perfect to make it to heaven (only found in eg white writings) but they will never tell you this when you join. Thus they liars. (Eg white says only 1 in 20 in the church will be saved) 7) they have extremely racists rootes in its past. If a white person and black person were to marry, Mrs white calls it an amalgamation of man and beast” There is many many many more things I could give as examples. So listen buddy, go fu_k your self with your self rhituous attitude

@brucebruce6531

2 ай бұрын

God truly blessed your eyes The mask of the beast was a heart check for all Christianity. Churches really showed their true colors, Lutheran church I was moonlighting decided on only letting jabbers attend service... I haven't returned since

Why are are we worshiping on the sunday?

@GoreBruce

3 жыл бұрын

For an excellent treatment of this and related topics, please see: www.amazon.com/Taste-Sabbath-Delight-Gods-Rest-ebook/dp/B07KS4N7MM/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=stuart+bryan+sabbath&qid=1602334107&sr=8-1

Regarding the "investigative judgement"- Heb 9:11-12 reads "When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are to come, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; BUT HE ENTERED THE MOST HOLY PLACE ONCE AND FOR ALL BY HIS OWN BLOOD, HAVING OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION." Mos scholars recognize the book of Hebrews to have been written before AD 70, since it seems obvious from the message in it that the author would have made reference to the destruction of the Jewish temple to support the affirmation of Heb 8. THE OLD COVENANT (MOSAIC) IS OBSOLETE BECAUSE GOD HAS MADE A NEW ONE IN CHRIST.

@samuelwilliams1559

5 жыл бұрын

True GOD has made a new one. But the laws are the same as on the Tablets of stone. To start with we are saved by Grace alone. Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 1john 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 1. The law is not done away with it is established. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (As the Bible said it will be.) Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law and make it honourable. 2. The law does not save. Its job is to define sin. Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Read Romans 6 3. Love leads us to follow the law. Paul list’s directly six of the Ten Commandments. Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) So does Jesus. Matthew 19:17 -19 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 4. In the book of Hebrews the New Covenant states the laws are to be written into our hearts not done away with. The New Testament directly quotes from the Old Testament Jeremiah 31. Hebrews 8:8,10 For finding fault with the saith Behold the days com saith the Lord which I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days saith the Lord I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts: and I will be to their GOD AND THEY SHALL BE TO ME A PEOPLE. Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 2Corithians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 5. Of the other four all will admit that it is a sin to have other gods, bow down and worship idols and to take the name of GOD in vain. Protestant Ministers have stated the Ten Commandments are for Christians. dedication.www3.50megs.com/greatmen.html Great Preachers on the Ten Commandments. Love GOD love others follow Jesus.

@truethinker221

5 жыл бұрын

@@samuelwilliams1559 The law was a condition of the contract. You do this i do that. Suzerain Contract A superior position over a subject. Yahweh and Abraham extended to Jacob Israel. Many amended, added, substituted ,forgiveness and changes for the purpose of mercy. .The unspotted Lamb would take the place of the People . They deserved death because of breaking the terms of the contract . the contract demanded death for disobedience to the letter. Fulfilling the conditions of the contract was death . We have one that fulfilled the contract . The Lamb of God.

@dr.yahkovabyisrael6969

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel 7: ..."the BOOKS WERE OPENED...."...Hmmm what books? Book(s) not book

@timarnett672

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with eschatological schools that DO NOT agree with the historicist method, is that either the PRETERIST jams all prophecy into the 1st century, making Nero the one and only ANTICHRIST, thus making the prophetic voice of none effect. How then can they not be guilty of DESPISING PROPHECY? The other school of DISPENATIONALISM, is just as bad or worse, because they say that only the first three chapters of Revelation and certain portions of the Old Testament and Gospels of Jesus Christ apply to the Church, but mainly to LITERAL ISRAEL. This doctrine also says, just wait for the RAPTURE, and then all the bad stuffs happens to those who weren't ready, especially the unbelieving Jews??? I mean at least Adventists tell the truth with regard to those who turn from the Truth of God's Law and Holy Sabbath Commandment being the reason they will be punished with the 7 Last Bowl Judgments and destroyed when Messiah Jesus appears. By the way, the matter of saying those who keep Sunday NOW, as having the MARK OF THE BEAST, is not true. Adventists believe from the study of prophecy that when the SUNDAY LAW is passed in the United States, THEN ALL WHO OBSERVE IT IN DEFIANCE OF GOD, SHALL RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. Think about this too Brethren. A NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW was attempted in the United States once ALREADY. It was the year 1888, when a U.S Senator Blair from New Hampshire (he headed the committee in the office on EDUCATION and LABOR) attempting to pass the rest day Law here in this Republic. Many Church denominations, including Sabbath keeping Jews, Seventh Day Baptists, and others would go along with it so long as they got a pass to not have to observe it. BUT >>>> ISN'T THIS A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC? DO WE NOT HAVE THE 1ST AMENDMENT THAT FORBIDS CONGRESS FROM MAKING ANY LAW, RESPECTING OR ESTABLISHING AN ECCLESIASTICAL LAW OR RELIGIOUS GROUP? Thankfully a Christian historian and military Veteran by the name of Alonzo Trevior Jones came forward from Battle Creek Michigan to openly debate Senator Blair upon his proposItion, and the Bill NEVER MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. That man A.T Jones was a Seventh day Adventist. What he did was save our Republic from utter destruction. The question is, WHEN (not IF) the next NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW comes forth, and it will pass both houses and be signed into Law, THUS DESTROYING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE ENTIRE REPUBLIC WILL CEASE TO BE WHAT IS HAS BEEN NOW SINCE 1789. Think about it Brethren. You might have a problem with the SDA Church or Ellen G White, but what I just shared is our shared AMERICAN HISTORY. When a nation makes it their LAW and PURPOSE TO DENY THE CREATOR HIS DUE WORSHIP, AND INSTEAD ESTABLISHES LAWS THAT OVERTHROW HIS HOLY, JUST, AND GOOD LAW OF TEN COMMANDMENTS, THEN THAT NATION WILL RECEIVE WRATH. And YES, the Sabbath isn't the ONLY LAW of GOD that has been thrown aside. If we all look, we will see how He is blasphemed throughout our nation, and last I heard 85% of Americans CLAIM faith in GOD or JESUS, yet look how we live. Besides casting the bond of marriage and the blessing of family aside, putting the elderly away from our eyes, even allowing and endorsing adultery and fornication to run rampant, then men (JUDGES) pass their sentence freeing men and women to dishonor their bodies among themselves. Theft and covetousness also is forgiven by the rule of LAW of those who are the richest among us, yet they can be forgiven while at the same time blaming the poor whose faces are ground into the dirt after they are cast into the streets for losing job and crying for bread and shelter for their little ones. These are things the Lord of hosts shall not tolerate much longer, BUT the final signs will come to pass and assuredly this great continent that opened up 420 years to PROTECT and make a base for the TRUTH and the CHRISTIAN FAITH has faltered. Even in our political discourse of late we see how the experiment of this Republic is retreating from the great principles of righteousness, mercy, aid, to become a closed nation, no longer caring for or giving assistance. The fall of this nation will be the most severe because WE THE PEOPLE were given great LIGHT, and our Lord Messiah Jesus said, "TO WHOM MUSH IS GIVEN, OF HIM SHALL MUCH BE REQUIRED." Read Luke 12:42-46. This nation shall receive many stripes more that others because we would not listen, just like what Moses warned in Deuteronomy, and what Jeremiah warned. "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: for this is the WHOLE DUTY of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13

@EyeToob

3 жыл бұрын

@@samuelwilliams1559 You said, "True GOD has made a new one [covenant]. But the laws are the same as on the Tablets of stone." Not all the laws are the same. The fourth commandment to keep the Sabbath is not repeated in the new covenant. Paul even told Christians to not let anyone judge us with regard to a Sabbath day. "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration *or a Sabbath day.* These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." Colossians 2 : 16 - 17 The Sabbath rest for Christians is resting in what Jesus did for us on the cross. It is not resting on the 7th day of the week. The writer of the letter to Hebrews said, "Now we who have believed enter that rest, ..." Hebrews 4 : 3 (the entire passage is Hebrews 3 : 7 to 4 : 11) - - - - - - - - Some other differences between the new covenant and the old covenant : Old >> some foods had to be avoided. New >> all foods are clean so they all are available to be eaten Old >> variety of animal blood sacrifices. New >> not one animal sacrifice is commanded for Christians to make Old >> the high priest was mortal and a sinner. New >> the high priest is immortal and sinless. Old >> many many many sacrifices. New >> only one sacrifice Old >> only the high priest could enter the Most Holy Place. New >> all believers can enter the Most Holy Place (Hebrews 10 : 19)

I have a profound affection for Adventists & Ellen G. White. I grew up in East Africa as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. Then, one day, I came across Baha’i message that said “ye are leaves of one tree” & “drops of one ocean.” These words filled me with affection for all people, including Catholics. I started to read Quran, Bhagavad Gita & other Holy Books. I began to seek out &to associate with people of different tribes, races, nationalities & religions. I ceased to identity with a particular political party & began to raise my voice in support of justice & security for all the deprived of the world. Joy began to come to me frequently.

@okanaganpoet

6 ай бұрын

Adventism is not just another branch on the tree of world religions....you must take a stand - God has one truth but he loves all people... read Rev,18..4...says come o ut of her my people - Christianity is not another philosophy

Every generation needs reminded of, and to gracefully receive, the faults of our ancestors such that we are humbly bound to the Christian gospel - Dr Gore, I am thankful that God has anointed you for helping carry that torch so gracefully and accurately for our generation.

@GoreBruce

6 күн бұрын

Thank you for the encouragement.

Bruce, Thank you so much for these lessons....just great

@GoreBruce

8 жыл бұрын

+rich lawrence You're welcome!

@michaelreyes-er8el

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, if you like fairy tales.

@earlysda

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelreyes-er8el This video is one big fairy tale, as it sure didn't cover the life of Ellen White truthfully.

"Saturday worship" is a false representation of the Biblical Sabbath. Seventh day adventist don't worship Saturn. Seventh Day Adventists keep the Seventh-Day Sabbath from Friday sundown to Saturday Sundown. That isn't the same as "Saturday worship" as commonly misunderstood. Saturn worship is pagan like Sun worship. That is an important distinction. Great video otherwise.

@ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD

Жыл бұрын

Yes, to be more accurate... you rest & worship, when it is permitted (or demanded) by the sun. (like a pagan) -according to Ellen, the sabbath is ruled by the sun Galatians 4:8-11 New King James Version Fears for the Church 8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

I must have missed something...were there any scripturally based arguments disproving SDA teaching?

@GoreBruce

5 жыл бұрын

The purpose of the presentation was to summarize the SDA view of the book of Revelation. It is part of a series that undertakes that task for a variety of perspectives. It was not part of the stated purpose of the presentation to offer much, if any, of a critique.

@lilydale8906

5 жыл бұрын

Bruce Gore . I suppose I was expecting to hear your alternative explanation of Bible prophecy. Thanks for your reply.

@tehuingamamaeroajoseph1822

5 жыл бұрын

Lily Dale The book of Hebrews, the book of Galatians and the book of Colossians proves the teachings of 7th Day Adventists as falsehood.

@ha-ek2vh

4 жыл бұрын

@@tehuingamamaeroajoseph1822 how is that

@rogerelie1651

3 жыл бұрын

@@tehuingamamaeroajoseph1822 Can you expand on that some more? I can not find anything in these books that back your statement.

Amen to bruce's closing remarks are our bias distorting our understanding when we read the Bible. Prayer for His understanding not our!

Just recently read a document regarding Martin Luther. In that document Martin Luther himself came to the conclusion that the Papacy was the Anti-Christ. Seems to me that there were thoughts regarding the Papacy as anti-christ prior to Ms. White.

@GoreBruce

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I treat this point in a prior lecture in this series, the historicist approach to Revelation.kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4GsmNKBcqSyZM4.html

@chrislucastheprotestantview

Жыл бұрын

But the thing about the SDA church is they do the jesuit's work. They are not real protestants. I have done many videos exposing them. I think the early protestants would have wondered if SDAs were jesuits with that kind of eschatology, sending Daniel 8 into the future.

@mitchellosmer1293

6 ай бұрын

artin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran): “Luther … proved, by the revelations of Daniel and St. John, by the epistles of St. Paul, St. Peter, and St. Jude, that the reign of Antichrist, predicted and described in the Bible, was the Papacy … And all the people did say, Amen! A holy terror siezed their souls. It was Antichrist whom they beheld seated on the pontifical throne. This new idea, which derived greater strength from the prophetic descriptions launched forth by Luther into the midst of his contemporaries, inflicted the most terrible blow on Rome.” Taken from J. H. Merle D’aubigne’s History of the Reformation of the Sixteen Century, book vi, chapter xii, p. 215. Based on prophetic studies, Martin Luther finally declared, “We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.” (Aug. 18, 1520). Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by LeRoy Froom. Vol. 2., pg. 121. John Calvin (1509-1564) (Presbyterian): “Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt… I shall briefly show that (Paul’s words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy.” Taken from Institutes of the Christian Religion, by John Calvin. John Knox (1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian): John Knox sought to counteract “that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church.” As with Luther, he finally concluded that the Papacy was “the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks.” The Zurich Letters, by John Knox, pg. 199. Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) (Anglican): “Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons.” (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7. Roger Williams (1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America): Pastor Williams spoke of the Pope as “the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself…speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2).” The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52. The Westminster Confession of Faith (1647): “There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God.” Taken from Philip Schaff’s, The Creeds of Christendom, With a History and Critical Notes, III, p. 658, 659, ch. 25, sec. 6. Cotton Mather (1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian): “The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them.” Taken from The Fall of Babylon by Cotton Mather in Froom’s book, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 3, pg. 113. John Wesley (1703-1791) (Methodist): Speaking of the Papacy, John Wesley wrote, “He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers… He it is…that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped…claiming the highest power, and highest honour…claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone.” Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms, by John Wesley, pg. 110. Charles Spurgeon: “It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description.” Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread into the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water into the place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a mere fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors: we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray.” A Great Cloud of Witnesses: “Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently Spurgeon, Bishop J.C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of the Papacy as the antichrist.” Taken from All Roads Lead to Rome, by Michael de Semlyen. Dorchestor House Publications, p. 205. 1991. Why is it that today we are so eager to embrace Rome? Were these men wrong, or has the church of today lost sight of something? Or has the Catholic Church changed? Though my heart rebels at what these men taught, I do find it presumptuous to think that little ol’ me knows better than all of these giants of the faith.

@BertGraef

5 ай бұрын

I dont care what Luther thought on the subject of antichrist . St John defined antichrist as his own former religion which denied the Messiah had come!! Dont you people even bother to read your bibles and believe the Word of God, instead of the pontifications of men? 1 John 2:19-23, 1 John 4:3,2 John 7.

@mitchellosmer1293

5 ай бұрын

@@BertGraef ---quote---I dont care what Luther thought on the subject of antichrist . St John defined antichrist as his own former religion which denied the Messiah had come!! Dont you people even bother to read your bibles and believe the Word of God, instead of the pontifications of men? 1 John 2:19-23, 1 John 4:3,2 John 7...unquote .----1 John 2:19-23 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. >>> 1 John 4:3 King James Version 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. I can quote MANY , MANY verses in the bible that describes the anti-christ that fit the Catholic church 100%. Proven facts from History and the Bible.

I wonder if there is a tree diagram of all the movements that occurred in the 19th century, how they branched out of different organizations?

@GoreBruce

6 жыл бұрын

I've never seen one, but I imagine it could be constructed.

@gilgalbiblewheel6313

6 жыл бұрын

Strict & Particular Baptist Radio I wonder how the Baptist organization(s) started. The church I use to attend had become independent upon preaching the “continual faith” doctrine.

She never had a vision till December1844 as I understand, so please document your statement

@GoreBruce

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are correct. She did, however, report dreams of being visited by Jesus in an earlier time frame (Numbers, Prophetess of Health, 1-4).

@DavidKing-qd3sp

5 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce Bruce, please provide book title and page for your statement of EGW being visited by Jesus before 1844

@GoreBruce

5 жыл бұрын

I already did. See previous reply. www.amazon.com/Prophetess-Health-G-White-Religious-Biography-ebook/dp/B002B5V14Q/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=numbers+prophetess+of+health&qid=1561381269&s=gateway&sr=8-1

@DavidKing-qd3sp

4 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce ..............Bruce, if your getting your info from sources critical and outside Adventism they hold no credibility, you say, she reported having previous visits by Jesus before 1844, I disagree, show me a credible reference from within her writings or those of a credible SDA historian, like George Knight, he is the most noted scholar on Adventist history . There are a 1000 critics, but one can only accept documented facts, or else we will one day reject the credibility of Christ. You quoted someone by the name of Numbers, I must check him out, but his statement is bias.

@DavidKing-qd3sp

4 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce ...Bruce, to authenticate a fact you need to go to the original source, otherwise you only have hearsay, and that is what you have here, Numbers is just a critic who will make up statements that are false, after-all, no one will check there credibility, especially when bias is the norm.

Wow..m isn't there so much learning in 7th Day Adventism??... Against all odds, the SDA Church learns harder and tries to improve every day. If there is something we should do as Christians, it is to learn and compare scripture to scripture.... and that is what SDAs do.

Hi brother Bruce, When I hear of the wrangleings over the sabbath day I wonder if we are not in touch with a possible view that Jesus spoke about, remembering that Jesus is all about the spirit and not about the flesh. On several occasions Jesus spoke of the sabbath with regards to Himself. In Matt 12 v 3-8 Jesus pointing out to those listening to Him starting in v 6 "but I say unto you that in this place is one greater than the temple" after discussing the showbread which David took from the temple because he was so hungry and here we have within our midst the true bread from heaven excersing mercy and and not condemning the guiltless. Then Jesus says in v 8 "For the Son of man is Lord of the sabbath day (also Mark 2 v 28, Luke 6 v 5) Now how is Jesus Lord of the sabbath? Sabbath in hebrew means to cease from works, we always say it means to rest but the root actually means to cease or desist. Now if Jesus is Lord of the sabbath and by His death brought in the new covenant written in His blood which now in turn brings in grace, that would mean that salvation is no longer by works because Christ Jesus did it all for us on the cross, wouldn't that then make Him Lord of the sabbath under the new covenant arrangement inasmuch as I, me and you, now desist or cease from works, which is why something better was needed than a works based law in which we would never ever cease or desist from its works therein. He is our Sabbath...its no longer a "day" but I am a priest that officiates at the Holy living stoned temple on a 24 hour basis in which there is a permanent sabbath...The Lord Jesus Himself. I have entered His sabbath rest, I have ceased from my works. He has done it all. Is He not then our Sabbath. Thoughts brother. Blessings.

@GoreBruce

6 жыл бұрын

Good thoughts. Your insight is essentially the point made by the writer to the Hebrews, chapter 4. Thanks again for the feedback.

@elaineclark1843

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@samuelwilliams1559

6 жыл бұрын

Dear Elaine I humbly disagree. Jesus is GOD. The Sabbath is a day of rest for humans from work and time to fellowship with GOD. To try to make Jesus the Sabbath is to lower his position. How can Jesus who is our High Priest in heaven be a day of rest? We rest from working to save ourselves in him. That is true. But that is not a physical rest like the Sabbath. Agreed Salvation is not by works. But Love Works. Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) Those who are saved will live in love. Not live in hate. Also Hebrews 4 is speaking of the day. Not of Jesus. Now it also points to heaven. Agape

@samuelwilliams1559

6 жыл бұрын

Bruce. I humbly disagree. Jesus is GOD. The Sabbath is a day of rest for humans from work and time to fellowship with GOD. To try to make Jesus the Sabbath is to lower his position. How can Jesus who is our High Priest in heaven be a day of rest? We rest from working to save ourselves in him. That is true. But that is not a physical rest like the Sabbath. Agreed Salvation is not by works. But Love Works. Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) Those who are saved will live in love. Not live in hate. Also Hebrews 4 is speaking of the day. Not of Jesus. Now it also points to heaven. Agape

@elaineclark1843

6 жыл бұрын

Dear Samuel, you of course have the right to disagree with me my brother for for truth to surface there must be discussion and its good to hear your thoughts. Yes Jesus is God but He is also man."but made Himself of no reputation and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" Philippians chap 2 v 7. God took on flesh, to become a part of His creation to redeem them from sin and death, of which into the first Adam sold us. But it is this form that He, as a man, was now subject to the Father God which is why He (Jesus) answered men sometimes as a man and sometimes as God. I dont understand your reasoning as to why you think that to make Jesus the sabbath is to lower His position? lower His position from what or to what? I am not lowering God to any position GOD MADE HIMSELF of no reputation (I did not do that) or in other words took on flesh, became a servant, you have not given me a well thought out reason for your rebuttal! You also say "how can Jesus who is our High Priest in heaven be a day of rest" Well how can we be a temple on earth made up of people for God to inhabit if He is in heaven? How are we His bride if there are millions of us that make up the body? How is Jesus THE passover lamb for all who would believe, How was He the a lamb when He wasn't a lamb, how Did He die as a lamb upon the cross but was also the High Priest who ended His life when He said it is finished and bowed His head and died. I think you fail to see the spiritual aspect of what Im saying. All things in the Old Testament led to Christ. Israel had a day of rest when they would desist from works ie; rest. Jesus, I believe is the rest that I enter into on belief on Him and excersise faith in that belief, therefore WE as priests who NOW officiate at a living Holy Spirit filled temple, of which Christ is the everlasting High Priest, no longer have a particular "day" but have a continual rest "day" that Christ now is. Do you think that the priests in the physical temple in Old Testament times only officiated one day a week or were they continually focused on their duties to God through out the week? Samuel, I dont have a particular day in which I meditate upon, think upon, talk about, read about, pray to, adore and worship or live my life focused upon, I am in Him continually and He is in me because I am the Temple that Christ now indwells. One day a week to rest and focus on our God is not the christians life now, it is an everyday "rest" I rest in Him because I have desisted from my works based Old Testament "ONE day a week" to focus on God which as I said was always going to lead us to the perfect rest which Christ is, I have desisted from works (flesh based) and now busy myself in the Spiritual Temple on a DAILY basis. I have no idea as to why you would even think that one day a week, as a christian, is totally sufficient to focus on God which is basically what you are saying if you believe your veiwpoint is correct. We now live in the Spirit which the N.T is all about and not in the Old for that was of the flesh. Heb chap 8 v 1-13 please read all. Infact please read all of Hebrews. I am saying these things to you brother with deep respect and with a genuine sense of desireing truth. Blessings Samuel.

in jesus time and in the time of apostles,,, is there any verse that jesus instructed to his people worship God on Saturday? please give the specific instruction from jesus about it,,, and also eating fork,,, is jesus told as not to eat fork during his time please reply,,,

@GoreBruce

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus gave no specific instruction to worship on Saturday, or on any other day of the week. Jesus, however, lived under the Old Covenant rules in which Saturday worship was mandated. As to foods, Jesus pronounced all foods clean in Mark 7.

@MrMrchuckw

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce It’s a shallow reading of Mark 7 to deduce Jesus is doing away with healthful living. If that was His message, Peter missed it as evidenced by his response in Acts 10. But Peter’s understanding is clear in verse 28. And if Jesus kept the Sabbath because of the Old Testament law, then so did Paul. Acts 17:2 Actually there is a lot of Sabbath keeping in the book of Acts. But, if this is the legacy of Seventh-day Adventists, then we have failed. These are only side issues so Satan can detract from what is really important about our message... namely God loves you with an infinite love that you cannot fully fathom no matter how hard you try. Yes, we SDAs some times focus more on our responsibility to appropriately respond to that love, quoting verses like John 14:15. But contemplate that matchless love, then tell me what you are not willing to do or give up for Him. Our greatest message should be seen in these 3 texts. 1 John 4:8 John 15:13 Romans 5:8 If any doctrine of ours is in conflict with this, feel free to disregard.

@rogerelie1651

2 жыл бұрын

Spoken by Christ; Matthew 5:19, Matthew 19:17, John 14:15, John 14:21, John 15:10. In the Holy Scriptures (New Testament only); Luke 1:6, 1 Corinthians 7:19, 1 John 2:3-4, 1 John 3:22, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:2-3, 2 John 1:4-6, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14. Some people will say that the Sabbath is not the same today as it was before Christ death. If that was so why did Jesus Christ say this? (Matthew 24:20) Why was He worried about them fleeing on the Sabbath if He thought it was going to be meaning less? The Jew fleeing Jerusalem did not happen for another 40 some years. Most churches believe that the Christians were keeping Sunday by then. Does He have to say it Himself or can we study the Bible to find His truths? We have hints like Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31 (Luke was not a Jew so him mentioning the Sabbath should say a lot), Luke 13:10. We have Luke writing in Acts 13:13,14 sayin that Paul and his followers going into the synagogue on the Sabbath. Then you read in Acts 13:42 that Paul was begged to preach to the Gentiles the next Sabbath. If he worshiped on Sunday why wait for the next Sabbath. Again, in Acts 17:2 Paul preached three Sabbaths, but not one time on Sunday also in Acts 18:4 he persuaded (love that word) Jew and Gentiles on the Sabbath, why just the Sabbath? Let me leave you with one thought, many people will say that the Sabbath is just for the Jews/Children of Israel. Read Galatians 3:29 to find out who the real children of the promise are. Also look at Exodus 20:11 to see when the Sabbath was made. At the time of its creation we hade just humans on the earth. Sorry I was so long, but I am very passionate about this.

@bingovillahermosa6821

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogerelie1651i think you did understand about my questions...no oral instructions...and cut the chapter ...you did not continue the message...you are a magician...but can not ignore me...

@bingovillahermosa6821

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogerelie1651 did you read john 5:18-19?

Excellent. Adolf Schlatter is worth looking into. He talks a lot about Kant and how theology changed

Thank you very much for the message sir. For Christians which ever denomination they belong to must know about the church history also. Other wise it is incomplete in all respects.

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

True.

My second time through - good job Mr Gore. I have met a few very intelligent SDA folks, many who "converted" from mainlines or average community churches. They hold that E White was a prophet. I'm not there yet. I have, and encourage all to listen to her Great Controversy on youtube. It listens well, has good history, and is fully a historicist interpretation of the Bible over time. One of Mr Gore's critiques is a backdoor plug for Preterism, I s that SDA and any futurist interpretations are misleading and unhelpful to the people of the first century. That is a fair hermeneutic assumption, but not conclusive. Daniel 9 covers the "Jews" thru 70AD, as does Jesus in Matt/Mark. Maybe God wanted to give a little prophecy for the church age and not wrap it all up nice and tidy for the Preterist frame? After looking over SDA for a year now, I think their ID of Dan 7 little horn as the Papacy is solid. Moreso, their take on Dan 8, showing two visions, the Mareh and Chazown as the 490 years and 2300 years is consistent in the Historicist frame and unique. That is what Miller devised, but the two visions is key. To my Preterist friends...Go ahead and stuff Daniel, Matt 24 and Rev into before 70 AD and Jerusalem's fall ONLY. BTW, Jay Adams presents a better preterist frame with Rome as ch12-on. That said, what of I and II Thess and the man of sin? Who is it and when?

@GoreBruce

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel 8:26; Daniel 12:4; Revelation 22:10.

@Deacondan240

4 жыл бұрын

Bruce Gore - when is the end? Was it all at 70AD? You must be a full preterist, for it all ended there, new heaven and earth . FP frame is more consistent than a partial preterist frame.

@Deacondan240

4 жыл бұрын

Bruce Gore -My 2c: DANIEL covers the Jewish age (600-70AD) and some into Revelation and Revelations cover the church age, 0-?AD. Daniel would be unsealed and understood as 0-70AD in ch 9. I see revelations 7 seals as the fall of Jerusalem, looking back as did DANIEL to Babylon. Trumpets cover the church age, bowls cover the vert last days. It is difficult for me to ignore the clay toes of Daniel 7vision and not see post pagan Rome time implications. The total preterist view of DANIEL, making Antiochus 4 show up at Dan 8, 11 and 12, for no serious eschatological reason, ;that is the same hermeneutic as the futurist putting it all in the future. SDA claim DANIEL is the book of rev 10 and date it to being unsealed in 1844 ish time.

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

@@Deacondan240 No the end has not happened yet. Jesus has not come. SDA teach post tribulation rapture. Also the church is Israel. The true church which is made up of all Christians no matter their denomination who love GOD and love others.

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

@@Deacondan240 No Daniel is not the book of Revelation. It is the book of Daniel. But Daniel helps explain Revelation and Revelation sheds light on Daniel.

Well researched presentation.Thank you

As an SDA member I must say, very well put together presentation about the doctrines. I appreciate the effort of the author of the presentation in trying to present what is believed. I was still never thought as and SDA that simply keeping Sunday you have the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast was always presented as enforcing Sunday laws. I know over the internet, with stranger is very difficult to have a constructive dialog or conversation but, I must ask and I am being grateful to anyone who would take the time to respond respectfully: If Sunday Laws were already tried in history (senator Blair, blue laws, for which ironically an SDA person, Jones opposed in the US congress) - why this, is seen as that could never happen in the future? Regardless of what you may think of this as biblical or non-biblical interpretation of Scripture Revelation text - if an non-Sabbatarian law maker already tried to enforce Sunday keeping for the whole country, why it could not happen again?

Am a Seventh-day Adventist. I am also a History Teacher who teachers History of the Christian Church and History of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I find your presentation on the SDA church to be fair in representing what they believe and teach. But what I found most profound was your concluding remarks about presuppositions that we all bring to any studies and conclusions we draw. That is the key to not only understanding one another but also understanding ourselves. Thank you.

@brothercaleb

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@chrislucastheprotestantview

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't a good presentation of Ellen White. Very soft. She was racist, taught digger Indians and other races were amalgamations of man and beast. Maybe later she changed her mind, but not to my knowledge. You have SDAs like Walter Veith teaming up with white supremacists like Eric Phelps. So I'm not sure if this group ever changed their demonic patterns. And I keep sabbath myself. But if you are going to lie to people and slander God by calling her a Prophet of God and say God spoke such crazy words, then you are breaking alot of commandments. I made videos exposing her

@rayray4192

Жыл бұрын

The history of the disgusting Adventist demonic cult is horrendous. Ignorant Arians waterboard torturing scripture and validating their assumptions by visions. You are a joke. You are not saved. You are a heretic and a blasphemer

@earlysda

10 ай бұрын

pardonmwansa, I will keep in mind that you are anti-SDA. 9:45 Actually Prohibition was the greatest attempt to reform a nation from wickedness since Bible times. 10:07 Ellen White didn't "mix" others into her writing at all. She was inspired of God. 11:20 Bruce Gore professes to tell us about Ellen White, and doesn't even know that a girl who hated Ellen threw a rock that hit her in the face??? 11:41 "This misfortune, which for a time seemed so bitter and was so hard to bear, has proved to be a blessing in disguise." has nothing at all to do with her most famous book, The Great Controversy. It is from The Review and Herald, November 25, 1884. 12:19 She did NOT have an epileptic seizure. Even at the time, few of her naysayers were that bold in telling lies about her visions from God. Please repent.

@dr.pardonmwansa9651

10 ай бұрын

@@earlysda I don’t understand what you mean and why.

so sad is that Jesus said no man knows His coming. How did they miss that? blind leading the blind.

@RogalloShaolin

6 жыл бұрын

They missed it because "I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed." So...God lied to them. Who wants to follow a group that admits God engaged in overt deceptiveness with them?

@jayt2257

6 жыл бұрын

I guess you have to fault the disciples too in Acts 1

@BertGraef

6 жыл бұрын

No, you have to fault those who think it is a long term prophecy. It is actually not a prophecy at all, but an admonition to the disciples to wait for the coming of Christ, in Holy spirit form, in Acts chapter 2. Acts 1 was fulfilled 50 days later, in Acts chapter 2.

@cynthiacox5837

5 ай бұрын

By this time, I think that many 7th Day Adventist’s leaders know that Mrs. White made a grave error with this foolishness about ‘investigative judgment’ but are too proud to admit it…and maybe afraid to lose economically….among other factors. They are an affluent organization and maybe people would leave in droves. Many are of their members don’t really know that Mrs. White was a false prophet because they are not allowed to read information that is not produced by their organization, which is a cultic approach. They even have their own bible with commentary based on Mrs. White’s beliefs. 😢😢How will they ever find truth? They are controlled, manipulated and indoctrinated. Sadly, they are unaware. By inventing the concept of the Investigative Judgment, Mrs. White has led many people into error…. too proud to say that they were wrong about the date of Christ’s coming. God must be so disappointed!!

Do you speak of jehova witness? Is there a lecture you do on their theology ?

@GoreBruce

6 жыл бұрын

Some years ago I taught a course at the college level that covered Jehovah's Witnesses, along with other modern religious movements. If you will e-mail me I will give you a link to the audio lectures available at my website that cover those matters. bruce@brucegore.com. Thanks for your interest!

@DavidKing-qd3sp

5 жыл бұрын

check out Walter Martin for info on JW's....hew wrote kingdom of the cults, listen on line under his name

@Vetforlife

Жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce I just finished you're two part lecture on the JW's. Great work, my only objection is that you hold to a Critical Text and not authorized version Textus Receptus. The Bible contains the entire Word of God but that's like saying it’s like a 1,000 piece puzzle and we have 1,100 pieces to the puzzle. The problem with that is then the Word of God is not pure and does contain error and we have no idea where the error is. Check out the debate between Dr. Jeff Riddle and Dr. James White. Here's a quick quote from the Ephesians 3:9 debate. " (quote found at 1:06:30): “Based on your method, if there were a discovery of ancient documents that most scholars agreed what makes this the earliest reading; you would be willing to change your position on any text in the New Testament based on evidence that might be uncovered, is that correct?” James White: “Yes.”

If the Adventist belief is that salvation is dependent on the keeping of sabbath would they not be anathema according to Galatians 5?

@Joshhsoj

3 ай бұрын

And Galatians 3 ”For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”“ ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@GoreBruce

3 ай бұрын

Yes, among many other texts (e.g., Colossians 2, Romans 14, etc.)

@Joshhsoj

3 ай бұрын

@@GoreBruce wow thank you for the quick reply! And thank you for keeping this teaching up, I don’t have the time or money for seminary but as a truck driver I’ve used resources like this to try and learn as much as I can about the Bible so I can teach my family. I just started this series yesterday so I’m sure I’ll have more questions to come and it’s awesome to know you still read them!

@medinarad

4 күн бұрын

We believe you’re saved by a relationship with Jesus, not the law. It is Jesus says who says if you love me, keep my commandments.

@Joshhsoj

4 күн бұрын

@@medinarad ok and we can agree that salvation does not come from keeping these commandments correct? So then can we say it doesn’t matter what day you worship on because “no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I know it is kind of off subject, but I couldn't help think that the music at the end could of been preformed by 7th day Adventist being that they are big into listening to and playing classic music and being involved in the production of classic music. I've got 7th Adventist from my dad's side of the family, really big into it, so much so that my uncle was a 7th day Adventist minister and a seminary teacher to boot. All my cousins from that side of the family became very very good musicians and played the violin, and Viola, etc. and some even make a living teaching the violin, and viola etc. And they were all involved in the New England Youth Orchestra or what ever you call it and traveled all over the world playing in that Orchestra. Like I said it is kind of off subject to the original teaching but hey some one has to make comments in these often ignored comment sections.

@GoreBruce

9 жыл бұрын

***** Interesting, although I'm not sure 7th Day Adventists have a corner on the market of those who appreciate classical music! b

@Ace-bz2ie

Жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce I am an Adventist, it is for the first time that I listen to someone talk about the movement with so much respect. True Christian Thank you!!!🙏🙏

@itsspiritual8645

6 ай бұрын

@@Ace-bz2ie Yes, it nice to hear someone lay this out without bashing. I just posted a comment on here about how Obama named the Bison as Mammal, a two horned beast, of the USA. Rev 13: 11?

The mark of the BEAST is about whether you believe and accept publicly that Jesus Christ is the living Son of God who sacrificed himself for our sins and was raised to sit at the right hand of God. It is about WHO you worship more than what day you worship. The person who takes the mark rejects Jesus Christ for the world and worldly ways. Kind of like worship of creation over the Creator. Like the global warming climate change cultists and Marxism perhaps? Read God's Holy Word and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit.

Very informative, thanks!

Adventism totally rejects justification by faith, salvation by grace and the finished work of salvation at the cross....."It is Finished.....Into thine hands I commit My SPIRIT!" Paid in full at the cross, Hebrews 9! Focus on the 10 Commandments so we can take the focus off of Jesus, and we can focus on the Sabbath! Since Jesus is Lord even of the Sabbath and since Christ was worshipped on Palm Sunday, not the Sabbath! Then 1 week later, He was resurrected on Sunday not to keep the Sabbath! His resurrection would not have violated the 4th Commandment! Jesus is Lord over the Sabbath not the 4th Commandment! For Sabbath was made for man (Gen 2) not man for the Sabbath.....the 7th day is in Christ the gift of completion and rest, not in Saturday! Colossians 2! We enter into His Sabbath rest by faith, Hebrews 4 John 5....Jesus did what was unlawful on the Sabbath because Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness not the law! Find anywhere in the New Covenant where God mentions His Holy Day compared to the OT and Israel

"she was hit in the face with a rock when she was young". That says it all.

@justinmaonga738

2 жыл бұрын

God doesn't condemn anyone but because of our unbelief

@brothercaleb

Жыл бұрын

😂

@brucebruce6531

2 ай бұрын

​@@brothercalebif your dad is Johnny, your comment is 7 times more funny 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

@brucebruce6531

2 ай бұрын

She was 9 Years old when she suffered a wound to the head from a rock. Why would someone throw a rock at a 9 year old girl? Was Ellen Gould White really black ? Did someone throw a rock at a 9 year old black boy in a dress?

Also contrary to evangelical general individual beliefs of SDAs, even as growing in an SDA family I was never thought we are the only ones saved. On the contrary, when the topic was discussed in my family, or at church passages from the Scripture were used and also, enforced by from EGW writings demonstrating that MOST OF THE PEOPLE SAVED BY God throughout the history and even in the present are outside the SDA church. Even though they have not believed seventh day Sabbath is still a valid commandment, or they have a different view on state of the dead, hell or diet laws. It is generally thought and understood that God will judge everybody according to what he personally believed and practiced in his own life, and not judged to what me or other SDA member would want to believe.

Yet you admit Saturday is the real sabbath interesting

Bruce: You skipped through quite quickly, but you had everything spot on with regards to their doctrine. Their doctrine on Jesus ministering in the holy place and then in 1844 moving into the most holy is just one of many heresies. I often wonder if they've ever read the New Testament, mainly Paul's epistles, and I have strong proof they haven't. Example: Walter Veith (SDA Pastor from South Africa now in America) teaches that Paul, after Christ appeared to him on the road to Damascus, was sent to the church to be taught all of his doctrines before being sent out (by the church) to preach the gospel to all. Obviously they've never read or studied Galatians 1 or Paul's other writings. They also teach the false doctrine of no eternal security of the believer: Today you're saved, tomorrow you sin and lose your salvation, but behold the day after you're saved again and so on and so forth. Clearly they haven't studied 1 John 5 or many, many other scriptures about eternal security. I often feel sad for Walter Veith as he "escaped the Catholic Church" only to fall into another cult, the SDA. Though I haven't read all or much of Ellen White's books, I have seen enough to know she teaches a lot of heresies and false doctrines. I was hoping you'd shed more light on that, but I understand that this isn't an "expose of SDA heresies" but rather a historical perspective on Revelation. Added to my argument, the SDA also haven't studied 1 Timothy 4 for example and again, many other New Testament scriptures. Walter Veith, for example, is absolutely horrifed that Pastors drink coffee and eat meat. They also, like so many, don't seem to understand that Jesus Christ is our Sabbath-we rest in Him and His completed works, hence faith and faith alone (Also Paul's writings clearly teaching on this). Hence the argument "you keep 9 commandments but throw away the sabbath" and hence "you have the mark of the beast" doctrine. And yes, they make one feel unsaved with doctrines such as "Noah was in the ark, the ark is the SDA church, if you're not in the ark (SDA church) you're going to drown in the flood" etc. They also sneakily teach "faith and faith alone" and then combine that with "but you must keep the law to stay saved" hence the lose your salvation teachings. Again they completely ignore New testament scriptures (Paul mostly) saying that whoever commits to the law must keep every single law because it is written "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." And many other similar scriptures. Anyway, just thought I'd say I'm glad the Holy Spirit guided me away from the SDA church very quickly when I was a new believer (not a babe but more like a fetus in faith) and showed me the error of their ways. And the end result of what I just said comes back to your little Sunday school lesson at the end of this video: read the scriptures and pray and see what God says, not man. There's so much false doctrine out there (and I don't claim to have all the truth, in fact, far from it. I have a long ways to go and much to learn and to grow) and these doctrines can easily be detected when you simply sit down, pray for God to show you, and then read the scriptures yourself, and read carefully and contemplate what is written and then pray some more for guidance and understanding.

I’ve been enjoying this series. I have to say I completely disagree with your view on the sabbath. EW might have a lot of issues but that doesn’t change the fact that the Sabbath is forever. Funny Christians will keep the 9 but the one that says remember they disregard. It’s also strange how studious people on history and such don’t know that even the catholic church admits to this. No where in the Bible can you say that the Sabbath was ever changed to Sunday you’re under the Catholic Church. EW or no EW. In my opinion. Other then that I’ve been binging these videos and I appreciate it very much blessings and shalom to you!

@chavak3497

3 жыл бұрын

Agree completely... Sabbath IS the seventh day and there is no other 7th day in the week! "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" has not been changed by God; it was not changed by Messiah--it is what He did, the day He kept. The Catholic church changed the day.... something this teacher knows full well.

@jayceejm

2 жыл бұрын

You know what is interesting, you comment the the Catholic Church admits to changing sabbath to sunday but answer me this - Did you verify that yourself OR are you just regurgitating what the SDAC has told you? Don't worry i know the answer. You did not verify it, you simply trusted and believed. Try as you might you will never find such an admission because they did not. Check history. The SDAC has survived all these years by duping folks who trust without checking but God is delivvering those who are prepared to accept the fact.

@janetdavidson8798

2 жыл бұрын

God created the New Testament for a reason . Its a new covenant . All 9 commandments are scattered in the New Testament except for keeping the Sabbath . It's fine to keep the Sabbath as long as you don't base your salvation on it.

@janetdavidson8798

2 жыл бұрын

SDA'S have EGW and the Catholics have the Pope . Both are false teachers .

@justinmaonga738

2 жыл бұрын

So the Bible says to the law and the testimony if they do not speak according to this word it is because there is no light in them Isaiah 8:20. These people are just discrediting but biblical support in their work God have mercy

Read front of the book!

Bruce read which bible? So many are corrupt and you know this. So which bible should we read Bruce?

The Catholic Church admits that Sunday keeping is a mark of her authority over all other churches. Because its not supported by the Bible and they admit to claiming the power to change the word of God. The Sabbath will be a major point of contention in the near future. Sunday rest law coming soon to America.

@jaco7675

Жыл бұрын

Forcing a (now) secular nation - and entire world (!) - filled with Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, and Eastern Religion followers to observe a day of rest on Sunday will be entertaining to watch.

@arthurkieninger345

Жыл бұрын

@@jaco7675 the Pope has already been uniting all the world religions in the name of the climate. Everyone of those groups have a common respect for "mother earth" so to speak. United to save our common home.

I'm a SDA and honestly we "grew" our first years believing what Bruce says, but I think that's the case for all Protestant Christians. Now, this generalization might not be false because even he acknowledges, in his final remarks, that we all approach the Bible with preconceived ideas and we should ask our Father to free us from them. I personally never considered EGW a prophet ever since I read what our Lord said: "the prophets were until John the Baptist...". I considered her instead, as many do I think, a visionary of the last days as it is written by Joel: "in the last days your son's will see visions...". However, one thing that proves to me and to a great majority of sensire SDAs that she was relevant, is the fact that she wrote clearly and directly that Protestantism will be going back to the RCC, isn't that happening now? Therefore, the RCC must be the main evil character of this earth's last events. The unfortunate fact, obviously is that SDAs are not exempted. Our General Conference has made that clear, BUT here's the thing, out of this confusion will come out the remnant of the Lord described in Rev.14:12. They won't be SDAs alone, but from all tribes & nations with two characteristics: they keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus and preach the 3Angels message which is 100% Biblical. Many dissenting SDA groups are already spreading this message and I'm one of those. By the way, these history classes are so useful. Thanks Mr. Bruce for posting them for free.

@GoreBruce

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind and helpful feedback!

@tonymuse

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Gustavo, I too was raised SDA and pretty much all of my friends and family are SDA as well. I would like to ask a few questions of you... 1. You referenced Luke 16:16 with "the prophets were until John the Baptist", the entire passage states "The *Law* and the Prophets were proclaimed until John". How do you process the "law" half of this statement if you agree that the prophets were until John? 2. "Last Days", would you not agree that by reading passages like Acts 2:17, Hebrews 1:2 & James 5:3 that the "last days" appears to have already begun in the Apostolic age? 3. Is it responsible to equate Pagan Rome with Papal Rome considering the fact that Papal Rome never ruled from Rome prior to the 20th century? 4. Revelation 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. I ask that you do this prayerfully and without prior supposition. Keeping in mind that Revelation was penned by John, go to Biblegateway.com and search the two words God and command in the writings of John and honestly look at the context of which the passages were written and see if the ten commandments are ever referred to. Peace.

@jayt2257

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony M i will take the liberty to answer. 1.) If that verse is saying what you think it’s saying, then explain the following 1 Corinthians 12:10 (KJV) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: And if they continued to be prophets after John, then you have to reason also that there is a law after John, even after Christ. 2.) Not sure what your point is here. 3.) Your going to have to explain this one. It is called the Roman Catholic Church for a reason. 4.)?? Blessings

You do a lot of name-dropping but rarely explain your views. This is a great video but I can't wait to hear more of your thinking. Perhaps this is part of a bigger series?

@GoreBruce

3 жыл бұрын

This presentation is number 7 in a series of 60.

@michaelreyes8182

2 жыл бұрын

Mr Gore is a Presbyterian. A foundational document for Presbyterians, the "Westminster Confession of Faith," clearly asserts the doctrine of predestination. Some souls God has “elected” to receive the salvation available through Jesus Christ, but others are passed over. Hmmm, that belief has long been debunked as non Biblical. But hey, give the guy some credit....you spend 59 presentations tearing down, to a greater or lesser degree all other faiths than, you ride into town with the ''truth'', so called.

@andrewbrowne5557

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@michaelreyes8182perhaps you should open your Bible for once…here is a short sample of the doctrine of predestination being taught: Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:5, 1 Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 1:20, Acts 2:23, Acts 13:48…you claim that the doctrine has been debunked…cite your source please…The Westminster Confession of Faith merely codifies, systematically, what scripture plainly teaches…

@okanaganpoet

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelreyes8182 ....glad to see you see the truth - election is not about salvation BUT a call to service read Gen, 25,23 and Rom, 9.12

Excellent survey of Ellen White and the Seventh Day Adventist Church (SDA). There probably some inaccuracy like William Miller publicly preaching his belief of the soon nearness of Jesus soon return, not in 1818 but in 1831 (See wikipedia) and some personal bias (understandably since you are not a SDA) but they do not diminish the excellency of the presentation. I am more impressed about your call to study and read the word at the end of the presentation. I have been bothered for a long time, as was my Church of God pastor friend, about the issue of Sunday vs Saturday. Which one is the truth? Which one does the Bible support and which one is basically man made? (Only one comes from God and automatically the other is false). There were lots of theologians during the time of Jesus. They saw the truth (Jesus the Word) but would rather crucify Him instead. So which day is the truth? I dont expect answer. I have to go to the word and answer myself.

@apostolicdoctrine101

Жыл бұрын

The scriptures support the seventh day of worship.

Reach the heathen by use of memes.

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

HUh

@genesiskeglar6372

3 жыл бұрын

Lol 😂 we must try harder brother.

someone did throw a rock at her, a fellow student.

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

True. She was hit and spent a long time in bed.

it was deliberate as far as aI know

Take a drink every time he says effervescence.

@Th3BigBoy

Жыл бұрын

I'm still sober.

You Need Jesus Teaches. Not 7 day Teaches.

@sorakh5910

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus teaches to keep the 10 commandments if you break on [the 4th] you break them all ..... he also said not one part of the law will pass away....the only reason you go to church on Sunday is tradition....

@breau64

4 жыл бұрын

not me not me not me............................................

The Sabbath God's Holy Day... the One Commandment God only gave to Israel......God never gave Adam & Eve the 4th Commandment because they lived in God's perpetual 7th day Sabbath which is what the 4th Commandment was a shadow of!

Golden tablets, invisible christ, sanctuaries! It’s 2020 CDC and the plandemic! What an excellent series so far. Thank you.

No, no, no. Charles Finney was NOT about conversion by emotion. His appeal was conviction for sin. And shame on you, Mr. Gore, for suggesting otherwise. Finney did not get covenant, I get that. But he was not about emotion. Shame on Bruce Gore for suggesting that.

The 3 key words in Daniel 8:13-14 are:"tawmeed kodesh tsadaq" correctly interpreted are "Perpetual Holy Sabbath will be Restored", this was fulfilled in 1843 when Rachel Oaks influenced Frederic Wheeler and his congregation to go back to the 7th Day Sabbath as the Christian day of worship. The Hebrew root word for "kodesh" in Daniel 8:14 is in Genesis 2:3, where the 7th day is declared "quadesh"

@GoreBruce

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The 'perpetually holy Sabbath' is fully explained in Hebrews 3-4.

@henryfirus6856

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce "quodesh" translated as Sanctuary in KJV is a guess by the translators, as is "tawmeed" translated "daily" this is obviously a guess as there is not the word "sacrifice" following, and "tsadaq" translated accurately is "restored to the Law". Therefore Daniel 8:13-14 reads "Perpetual Holy Sabbath will be Restored to the Law of the Sanctuary the Christian Church", this was fulfilled in 1843 as stated in my previous comment.

@henryfirus6856

2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the typology of Leviticus 16:5; the two kids of the goat stand for Esau and Jakob, and the ram for Isaac, the second level of this typology represents Christians and Jews and Jesus. The "goat of departure" "azazel" is Jakob and after Golgotha it is the Jewish nation, who are driven into the wilderness of the nations.

@henryfirus6856

2 жыл бұрын

i'm suggesting above interpretations as a life long Seventh Day Adventist, Ellen White in her "unusual statement on the scapegoat" confirms my typology of Lev 16:5, this interpretation is derived from the first use of the Hebrew word "saweer" "hairy" first applied to Esau in Gen 27, Jakob also becomes "saweer", and is forced to escape to Laban becoming saweer azazel. The change of name to Israel also supports this, as the word Israel can be translated "God fighter", and azazel in some Semitic dialects is "strong one against God". This understanding would normalize our S.D.A. theology, giving a more Biblical explanation for the Seventh Day Adventist movement.

Great presentation. 100% accurate. If you search more about the EGW Victorian profile + mesmerism + Spiritualism +very bad predictions/visions. Burned over district was just the most weird region in the US.. crazy stuff came from there and inspired dozens of very well known religious leaders.

@earlysda

10 ай бұрын

I counted at least 5 errors in the first 12 and a half minutes.

@mitchellosmer1293

6 ай бұрын

@@earlysda quote----I counted at least 5 errors in the first 12 and a half minutes.. unquote But, why didn't you quote them????

The Bible is its own interpreter. Provided we apply the biblical method of interpretation, namely proof text method, combined with prayer we will receive proper understanding from the spirit of God. All SDA doctrines are not in the least a result of presuppositions, but diligent and humble study of the Word of God. True Sabbath hasn't changed since the creation, for God's law is immutable.

Great Video!! Thank you for your time presenting this subject.

It so strange how they they get this rest day. God didn't make everything in one day. He rested every evening after he made certain things if you read. Then the next day he made another part. Then rested, and so on. For some reason he divided into 6 days , and made Adam on the 7 th day.

There is really no set day to worship on like it was in the old covenant. We can come to anytime to the throne of grace.

@Stefan-X24

5 жыл бұрын

Yes we can and should indeed come to Christ and worship Him seven days a week. You are of the opinion though that the Sabbath as well as the other 9 commandments have been abolished?

@shellyblanchard5788

5 жыл бұрын

@@Stefan-X24 Right , but does it mean we are not to treat one another right, try get along , and let love be without disimilation , or have respector to person. No way. We are to treat one another with brotherly love.

@Stefan-X24

5 жыл бұрын

@@shellyblanchard5788 So in fact you still keep the 9 commandments but you keep them out of love and not because you have to?

@shellyblanchard5788

5 жыл бұрын

@@Stefan-X24 What is we do what we can because we grow in spirit of God. The fruit of the spirit goes way beyond the ten commandments or how keep anything. It is not a works situation.

@Stefan-X24

5 жыл бұрын

@@shellyblanchard5788 Agree. Salvation is not by works. I do have a problem though. Nobody say we get saved by works but doesn't the bible say "faith without works is dead"? The works it is talking about is exactly that - doing good to others. Not to be seen but because your love for Christ and fellow men compels you to. I belief that if you love God you will do as He expect of you i.e. "If you love me keep my commandments". Isaiah say that on every Sabbath we will go to the city to worship Him. Now why will it apparently be a sin to keep the Sabbath holy in our time (as the Former Adventist groups say it is) if it will be expected of us on the new earth? On the new earth we won't be able to commit physical adultery between men and women because Paul said there won't be marriage. So at least that commandment could be abolished on the new earth. Will we be envious of other's stuff? Don't think so. So the 10th could propably be abolished too. What about lieing? No because if we tell a lie sin is right back in play. Who knows how God will handle it then. One thing is certain, I don't think God will have to deal with sin the same way He has to now. The same can be said for almost ALL 10 commandments except nr 4. Just tell me, why would God expect old testament people to keep the Sabbath (physical day) but new testament people don't have to and then throughout eternity it gets re-established? I mean really, be honest now, that doesn't make sense does it?

The great disappointment fulfilled prophecy in revelation 10 only seventh day Adventist church can explain prophecies in the book of Daniel and revelation

@brothercaleb

Жыл бұрын

Haha

You have to read the book in a chiastic structure, if you don't you'll will be lost. Most of every bible book is in a chiastic structure.....Bruce teach how to read the book of revelation in a chiastic structure.

Y are most of the Christian call seventh day Adventist legalism and supposedly odds it's as saying good is bad . But in actual sense there is no such thing s what proclaimed by them as odds is simply a fallacy.

Are you familiar with what is happening within the ranks within Adventism at this time. Saturday and Sunday are both on a Roman solar calendar, the Hebrews ( not modern day "Jews") used a solar-lunar calendar. You cannot sync the two calendars. Adventist hierarchy has looked at this issue and swept it under the rug. See Grace Amadon papers at Andrews University.

@GoreBruce

5 ай бұрын

Interesting! ...but not too surprising.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Si Señor limpia mi mente que sea tu bendita palabra la que me hable en el nombre de Jesucristo Amén

It appears that Ellen G. White had a pretext looking for a context. She succumbed to the common fallacy that correlation is not causation.

Many thanks for your presentation.... Tim Conway & Dr Phil Johnson did a meticulous, derailed presentation in 7th day Adventism as well... Again many thanks....

lot of info I never knew

I throughly enjoyed this video.Christ is the believers Sabbath day of rest.The sabbath was the shadow,the substance is of Christ-Col 2:16-17.The sabbath day represents the true believer’s eternal rest that we have in Christ.That’s why Jesus said,”come to me all you who labour and I will give you rest”-Matt 11:28.That’s also why you don’t read of any closure to the seventh day in Genesis chapter one.There is no closure to the eternal rest that I have in Christ.Adam and Eve where never commanded to keep the sabbath day.The sabbath was given to Moses for Israel(foreshadowing Christ)-Ex 20:8-11.The only one of the ten Commandments that is not commanded under the new covenant,in regards to the church,is the keeping of the sabbath day.See,for example, Ephesians 4:28.The Law could never save us(that wasn’t the purpose of the law).The law was to bring us to Christ.We are saved through faith in Christ,not by works-Eps 2:8-10,see also Romans 10.Of course in covenant theology they bait and switch.They bait us with the sabbath and then switch it to “the Lord’s day”.Yes,the early church did meet together on the first day of the week-Acts 20:7.But they also met together daily-Acts 2:46.Dispensationally,Christ is the believers eternal sabbath day of rest,hallelujah 📖✝️😀

@MukaabyaAmon-xi2yp

8 ай бұрын

James 2:10 if u keep 9 commandments and leave out one then u have disobeyed all .Non of the appostles,prophets and JESUS never kept sabbath.U either choose Gods sabbath or catholic sabbath sunday

Question/Comment. Question: Where did ellen white say she thought Christ literally took his blood up there to apply it in the heavenly sanctuary? Comment: As far as I have read so far, she makes statements like "Christ was pleading the merits of His blood" not that he was literally applying it in heaven.

@GoreBruce

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification!

@elijahbowen4576

8 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I've been much enjoying these presentations and have been blessed by hearing all the information!

@eddielasowsky7777

7 жыл бұрын

Blood = life as far as I can tell. It's the merits of his perfect life that is presented to God.

@eddielasowsky7777

7 жыл бұрын

Blood = life as far as I can tell. It's the merits of his perfect life that is presented to God.

I think it's ironic that the adventists accuse the papacy of being antichrist. Adventists point to the ~unofficial~ Latin title of the Pope "VICarIVs fILII DeI" (vicar(representative) of the Son of God)), in which the Roman numerals of the phrase add up to 666. The official title is actually "Vicarius Christi" (Vicar of Christ). It's ironic that the Roman numerals in eLLen goVLD VVhIte also add up to 666 (in Latin, U=V, W=UU=VV). So, if they're going to contrive associations, it's a two-way street.

You pastor need bible study. Go to a seventh day Adventist for bible study. You will know the truth and the truth will set you free

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All in all we should fight had to be Gods saints in Rev 14:12 "keep Gods commandments and have the testimony of Jesus" Anyone who preach against commandments is against God

Hi Bruce. I had a little chuckle on my face today and sort kind recall of some things that I said to you privately, such as empires etc, and oh hum, it was close but not close and for a moment there I thought you were going to toss me in on it. Anyway the balloon deflated quickly.. Indeed a very good presentation, but you forgot to insert that the deadly wound was healed when Mussolini restored the Vatican back to power. It would be interesting to see of what you might say about the prophecy of Jeremiah, concerning the Babylonian Images, of which today its is being carried out by the ISIS. Start Reading Chapter 40 to the end. As to that Ellen White, obviously she had a very severe brain injury, and such can cause people to sort of change their demurrer. Have you been watching Israel recently and of the things taking place?? I suggest you pay close attention to it. Carry on brother, carry on, hehehehehehehehe. regards Dave.

@yellowhammer9103

8 жыл бұрын

The brain damage it is in your imagination.

@didodinev471

6 жыл бұрын

Dear „Homo Sapiens“… please add to the „brain damages”of EG White also the facts, that she has very short school education and she was a woman in 19th Century! Than please read some of her books (Step to Christ, Desire of Ages, and Great Controversy), pray for wisdom and think about, if a simple and so handicapped human being could write such inspired books in this quantity (one of the most printed woman author in the world) Shalom!

@ha-ek2vh

4 жыл бұрын

@@didodinev471 AMEN

@alonsomiguellozanoaumne5668

3 жыл бұрын

@@didodinev471 Ellen white copied a lot of her writings . Not her original ideas

"We need to read our bible." Isn't that in itself a presupposition?

@GoreBruce

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

But we all need to reading our Bible. The problem is that many assume we do not. But I have found most who talk to others about reading their Bibles. When asked admit they do not read their Bible. I love to read and have read the entire Bible a number of times. I also carry a New Testament with me to read when I get a chance. I find that to be a good habit. God bless.

@AndrayTheDutchman

4 жыл бұрын

@@samuelwilliams1559 "good habit", might be. But who says one should or ought to 'read your bible, pray everyday'? Most people in history didn't even have a bible... many couldn't even read! We are very privileged, but no, I don't think we 'should'.

@samuelwilliams1559

4 жыл бұрын

@@AndrayTheDutchman I disagree. We should read what GOD set forth for us to instruct and guide us. True many in History could not read. Also the RCC worked to not let people read the Bible. One of the reason's that wanted it to stay in their Latin Version and their opposition to translations into German and English. Protestants died so that we can read the Bible in our own language. Do you know the History of Martin Luther or How we got the Bible? KZread has some Great Video's on those topics. You should watch them.

@AndrayTheDutchman

4 жыл бұрын

@@samuelwilliams1559 yes, I've studied church history. That's why I said we are privileged, by I still don't see why we should in any way be required to read the bible on a regular basis. I do though, because I like to study ancient literature. And the bible definitely stands out in a very significant way.

Hell is the fire come from heaven to destroy the unrighteousness. After 1000 years of peace. The second resurrection for the second death, in revelation 20

I know that this is 7 years old, but how do you feel now that the Catholic church and Protestant churches are uniting and the COP 27 summit with the new 10 commandments? Hhhhmmmm? Kinda what EGW was talking about.

@24:57 *"There is no doctrine of hell in the Seventh Day Adventist Church."* There is no doctrine of hell in the Bible, either. (Full disclosure: I am _not_ an Adventist.)

That's Ellen Harmon & she didn't start the 7th Day Adventist.

@GoreBruce

4 жыл бұрын

Danky Skull The image is of Ellen G. (Harmon) White, married to James White, who were founders of the 7th Day Adventists.

@jaco7675

Жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce Just for the record: Hiram Edson, along with support from O. R. L. Crozier, kickstarted the post-Millerite damnable heresy of the “Investigative Judgement”, thanks to a “vision” which Edson had in a cornfield on the day after “The Great Disappointment” of Oct 22, 1844. Ellen Harmon supported that fanciful “vision” with one of her own, then she, future husband James, and, later, Joseph Bates formed the core leadership of their new system of beliefs.

All branches of Christianity, in all ages, upheld the Sabbath as a principle. Just google the name of any major evangelist along with the word Sabbath. Example Dwight Moody Sabbath. Or Spurgeon Sabbath. Or Wesley Sabbath. The 1689 London Baptist confession of Faith has a section devoted to the Sabbath. Word-search "Pilgrim's Progress" for the word "Sabbath". History shows that if your church was a spinoff of the Roman church, you inherited a Sunday interpretation. But, if your church was anciently positioned *outside* the Roman influence, you originally had a Saturday tradition. Example: Churches of the East; The Ethiopian church; The "St. Thomas" Christians of Malabar India; Ancient churches in China, even the Keltic Church of England. Patrick was a Saturday Sabbatarian. 7th Day Sabbatarians have been hunted like animals and burned alive by our Sunday brethren, never the other way around. I am not a 7th Day Adventist, nor a disciple of EGWhite. But some of their claims on this topic are verifiable and reasonable.

@samuelwilliams1559

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Marbank. Great points. But one mistake for you have been lied to about us. Disciples of Jesus Christ. We just look on White as a good guide on living better. If you wish to know what we really teach. To give the Seventh day Adventist point of view. But not by based on my word, instead of telling you what we believe. I am going to give the website of our 28 fundamental beliefs. www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/

@marbanak

6 жыл бұрын

I am happily well-acquainted with the SDA's, and count them as my friends. Also a fan of Doug Batchelor, Samuel Bacchioci and Barbara Weimer's work. That 28-point list looks pretty solid. This is not the forum for me to dialogue with you on those few areas I would question. My purpose, above, was to provide some rational firepower for the Sabbath. My present network is largely Hebrew Roots. Kind blessings always.

@samuelwilliams1559

6 жыл бұрын

Blessings to you also Marbanak.

@reformedcatholic457

5 жыл бұрын

Marbanak I hold to the London Baptist Confession and it teaches that Sunday is a Sabbath. Read what it says below. which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's Day:29 and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished. 29 1 Cor. 16:1-2; Acts 20:7; Rev. 1:10 Please do not misrepresent us.

Yet their society was much more holy than ours. We've allowed sin to run rapid.. Our society is self destructing.

Correction, and I wonder how many more corrections are needed in his "historical analysis". Ellen White's first vision was not in 1836, but in 1844 - after the Great Disappointment. By this time she had been completely healed of her injury, which had happened in early to mid 1827. He is correct about her 1844 vision (except for his embellishments). The people on the path were not "Adventists", as he claims. Nowhere in her personal testimony of that the vision is that stated. Those people are simply the people of God. Adventism had not even been contemplated at that point, and the movement didn't even become official until 1863 - nearly 20 years after the Great Disappointment of 1844. Much of Mr Gore's history is fairly decent though, but there are a great many errors along his path. One thing to keep in mind is that Mr Gore is a reformed Presbyterian, with His own take on Bible eschatology, and that eschatology HEAVILY effects his view of Christian History. He first of all, is a Calvinist. This effects his interpretation of the Bible, Bible history, and world History profoundly. Bruce Gore believes that man does not have freedom of choice as to his salvation. This materially effects his views of the path he treads, so it is important to understand the heavy bias that will be present in his interpretations. Not saying his analysis isnt useful. It is very useful, but inaccuracies do occur quite frequently in his lectures. If you like Mr Gores presentation, you should also have a look at other historical analysis, one in particular is found here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h2h9p6-kprSdoKQ.htmlfeature=shared This one covers the history of Christianity in terms of doctrines, which is very important for any understanding of individual perspectives and biases. It will cover futurist, preterist and historicist views. IMO, it is much more important to understand doctrinal history, as this is much harder to be effected by bias and prejudice while interpreting it.

@GoreBruce

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the correction as the date of Ellen White's first vision. I hope you will accept my gentle critique of your misrepresentation of Reformed theology as to whether people have freedom of choice.

@treefellonya

7 ай бұрын

@@GoreBruce Sure. That's only fair, but unless RT has changed its stance on total depravity, and unconditional election, and irresistible grace, I am not sure how successful you can be at changing my mind.

@GoreBruce

7 ай бұрын

Oh, I would never try to change your mind. True Reformed Theology is the most forbidding, counterintuitive, mysterious, and obnoxious theology known to natural human intelligence. If a person is not persuaded by a sober and honest reading of the Scriptures, it is certainly beyond my competence to change anybody’s mind. Thanks again!

@treefellonya

7 ай бұрын

@@GoreBruce Do you see the irony here? You "chose" 2 words, challenging people to read "soberly and honestly". Freedom of choice is implied and is what makes this very challenge possible. With Calvinism, There is no Honesty and Sobriety allowed. God Chooses. End of story. Calvinism changes the Word of God by imposing perversion upon the obvious texts that demonstrate free choice. So, it reinvents what the Bible teaches. "If" doesn't mean If, "Choose" doesn't mean choose, "whosoever" doesn't mean whosoever. Men only "choose" what God wishes, "If" only means if in the context of what God has already decided, and "whosoever" only means whosoever when God decides "who", whosoever shall be. That is the Calvinist mindset. The RT God either arbitrarily sends people to an everlasting eternal torture chamber, or makes them a robot, without free choice. This is my own opinion, but it seems that Reformed theology perverts the character of God, making Him a monster. I thank the Lord that I escaped Calvinism.

In Eschatology the return of the Jews to the land of Israel basically broke most of the theories

@samuelwilliams1559

5 жыл бұрын

Hello Bill. Not that I know. Dispensationalist look on it as fulfilled prophecy. SDA say it does not matter.

@DavidKing-qd3sp

5 жыл бұрын

The Jews were rejected by God when they crucified Christ read Mt. 21.33-43....and Daniel 9: 24-27 490 years were given to the Jewish nation to submit to God but they did not and so the gospel message was given to the Gentiles to preach the gospel to the world

Amen

Too much controversy about Saturday or Sunday. In this age of grace - Remember what Jesus and Paul declare. Jesus in Mark 2:27 > And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Paul in Romans 14:5-6 > One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it... In any event God mandated the Sabbath that Man may remember the Creator and His 6 day creation account as His Word.. Just as He mandated that when we eat and drink remember that He gave His body and blood as atonement for our sin. As regards end of age times that precede the Millennium reign of Christ, the sign will be when the nations come up against Israel after Damascus is in ruins and Jerusalem becomes the cup of trembling - within next 20 years. Shalom.

Too many inaccuracies to mention.

EG White during that first vision said God told her and the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus return,yet she never shared it with one soul.They think the U.S is the False prophet.The sad thing about this is it's all based on somingthing Miller did that God forbade,setting a day or hour.

search ancient pretrib teachings

The truth will set you free thanks 😊 . 144.000 JWS . Thanks again .

The 7th day Sabbath is the 4th commandment. Written in stone by the very finger of God.

To my SDA and former SDA friends... I am not SDA, but have family who joined in adulthood. All the comments about getting legalistic have their truth, and I have seen vestiges of law-blindness. Still, they and other SDAs also teach, preach and believe salvation by grace, not works, and I see a real born-again faith in their lives. They are not Calvinist and oppose the idea of determinism that opposes man's free will. I am studying their eschat. frame which derived from reformers historicism and they are consistent with their 1 day= 1 year model across the book. I am finding their historicism more compelling than modern day futurism/pre-trip rapture option, and they integrate the preterism of Matt 24 and Daniel where it applies to 70 AD. So they believe in salvation by faith, they believe the law has weight unto truth for today, they build hospitals and have missions....Mr Gore, what am I missing to call them a cult? They have a unique eschatology of the end times, when who know for sure? For my reformed partial-preterist friends, how is your eschatology compelling you to trim your lamps and be about the master's business till the end? Are you not a FULL Preterist in practice, just not in creed? How are you different?

@GoreBruce

5 жыл бұрын

Can you refer me to the specific point at which I called SDA a cult? Thanks.

@Deacondan240

5 жыл бұрын

@@GoreBruce _ You absolutely DID NOT call them a cult, my aplogy for implying that...my comment was an open question to you (Do you think they are?), and a response to many of the comments I have read about SDA across many sources who do label them a cult. I was thinking last night o look up Walter Martin's commentary.

@Deacondan240

5 жыл бұрын

I submit this as a follow up to my question of inquiry. Here is what Walter Martin said about SDA and some follow up to Hoekema's call that they are a cult. Updated from CRI: Article ID: DS410 | By: CRI Statement The main emphasis of ministry at the Christian Research Institute is to provide information which will help those who are evangelizing the millions of people presently entangled in cults, the occult, and various false religions. Because of this, and because Dr. Walter Martin did some pioneer research on Adventism in the late 1950’s, we are frequently asked what our position is on the subject of Seventh-day Adventism (hereafter “SDA” for short). Though several capable Christian scholars (e.g., Anthony Hoekema, J.K. Van Baalen, John Gerstner) have concluded that SDA is a non-Christian cult system, CRI has continued to assert that this is not the case. We take this position based on the content of the doctrine which was stated in an official SDA publication (1957) entitled Questions on Doctrine. It should be noted that in 1983 W. Richard Lesher, vice-president of the General Conference, affirmed that SDA stood behind the publication Questions on Doctrine. Since SDA does accept the foundational doctrines of historic Christianity (the Trinity, Christ’s true deity, His bodily resurrection, etc.) we do not believe that it should be classified as a non-Christian cult. It is our conviction that one cannot be a true Jehovah’s Witness, Mormon, Christian Scientist, etc., and be a practicing Christian in the biblical sense of the word; but it is possible to be a Seventh-day Adventist and a true follower of Jesus, despite certain distinctive Adventist doctrines which we consider to be unbiblical. ------------------------------ from an on-line blog: thatbrian said: ↑ Anthony Hoekema said that the SDA is a cult and belongs grouped with JW's, Mormons, and Christian Science. I think he makes a valid argument. Hoekema's argument was totally destroyed by Walter Martin's book "Kingdom of the Cults" where Martin placed the SDA Christian denomination in the appendix giving it a huge amount of space for discussion and totally annihilated Hoekema's shallow arguments addressing Hoekema's book specifically - explicitly. Martin was no SDA at all - but he knew a bogus argument when he saw it. Martin pointed out that half the time Hoekema was not even using the SDA published statements of belief for his straw-man arguments!! How sad that anyone could be snookered by Hoekema. thatbrian said: ↑ The SDA isn't a Christian denomination, firstly. Some might argue that it's a sect, at best, but I again would agree with Hoekema's assessment of it. . So then "reading" is not your strong suit?? As Christianity Today pointed out in 2015 - the SDA denomination is the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world and fastest growing (incidentally it is now over 25 million in attendance each Sabbath world wide.) Martin's book based on dialogue with SDA leaders and actually "reading" SDA statement of faith. That dialogue was published in the book "Question on Doctrine" in the 1950's. And a number of editions since that time. Includeing: 1985 edition of “The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary Volume 7A” containing Volumes 1-7. QoD is in Appendix A, B, C Nov 18, 2003 "the book “Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine” - new print edition. Andrews University Press, part of the church-owned university and seminary in Berrien Springs, Michigan, recently released the 597-page, annotated edition of the book"