Will you be including more of these ideas in your run training? 🏃‍♂️

@Sean-hd1bp

3 жыл бұрын

The arms trick is a good one.

@ManishKumar-jc2ww

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely!

@mad_incognito

2 жыл бұрын

Due to a knee niggle in my first marathon I started to increase my cadence from slightly below 160 to 170. I noticed that I got a little bit faster but was more tired and my heart rate was quite higher than usual. I will for sure use some of the ideas from here.

@thepsychologist8159

2 жыл бұрын

I've always used and believed in the 'arms first' technique. I have to say though, this is the first time I've actually heard this from anyone on a coaching channel. So congratulations on that. There should be more emphasis on this topic (technique) as it really can allow you to run faster and, help you keep a constant pace without getting tired.

@janmatoh6666

Жыл бұрын

Hi, i have a specific question about this topic - i normally run at a cadence of around 160 spm, and after multiple weeks of trying to increase the cadence on every run, i just simply cannot increase it, despite focusing on it quite a lot during a run. So i am starting to ask myself - is this cadence really too low? Because i watched footages of my running technique and i land directly under my body (centre of gravity)...what i have also noticed is that my heart rate has considerably increased while trying to increase my cadence (which i was unable to, mostly)...so is it really more efficient to increase the cadence if the heart rate increases by 5-10 bpm on average? I hope i have constructed my question in an understandable manner...and i would really really be grateful and appreciate your answer @GTN Thanks in advance 😁

I decided to track several of my runs over the months and realized i'm in the 150-165 range. My last two runs I have focused on my cadence and achieved 172 and 165 with a lower heart rate and equal overall speed of the run. This will take a bit more training but I like the idea and results so far.

Jumping rope and high knees have reaaaaaaally helped increase my cadence in the la one year. Love this!

Why did we not actually see the A-skip being done fully?

Spotify has a couple of run cadence specific playlists in their workout section.

@chakalaka3960

8 ай бұрын

Mine has the same songs in each of the 160, 170 and 180 bpm playlists 😢

@pappamea4750

Ай бұрын

And it’s terrible music, I could never run to that meth pop.

Aah this is so helpful.. Been trying to work on my cadence this week... Thanks GTN

Step 1: Go listen to some pumping dnb. Step 2: Done. :) Your cadence just increased.

Good tips here. I liked the tip about using arm movement to help with leg drive. Something I don't particularly focus on but will now and see how I go. So happy to get thru this video without being riddled by adds from KZread which usually this channel is. I was going to give up on this channel but I'll stick around for now. 😊

@thepsychologist8159

2 жыл бұрын

I've always used and believed in the 'arms first' technique. I have to say though, this is the first time I've actually heard this from anyone on a coaching channel. There should be more emphasis on this topic (technique) as it really can allow you to run faster and, help you keep a constant pace without getting tired.

Great video, love the tips

And i cant wait for more improvement👍🏃‍♂️

If you run in eg 3/4 time so you have alternate legs on the strong beat it really helps you avoid stitch.

Awesome landform

Drum n Bass/Jungle for cadence 😄

Has anyone noticed a connection between preferred run (race) cadence and preferred bike (race) cadence. My natural bike cadence is 95+ RPM and my natural run (race) cadence is 180 to 190 SPM. My bike and run cadence (in RPM) are therefore about the same, i find running off the bike easy.

My mean average cadence is 167 for a 20-minute 5k. Feels unnatural to increase my step count but will keep trying to see if it can have any positive effect. Many thanks.

I have a cadence of 188-190 no matter how quickly I run. Most of my life (I’m now 70) I assumed that when I varied my pace it was because I changed cadence (because that’s how intuitively it feels) but once I got a decent running watch I discovered that my cadence remained the same no matter my pace. Obviously my pace is substantially lower than it was once, but I can still do 28-29 minutes for a 5k, and maybe 2.10 for a half marathon. I compare my almost straight line cadence now with when I ran 24 minute 5ks a few years ago and it’s exactly the same.

@pelleruma

Ай бұрын

Congratulations! At that age to run like that. My problem is not the cadence, but the pulse. With the increase in the number of steps, the cadence, the heart rate increases, and I don't want to overload myself. So I try to make the pulse 135, possibly 140 (58 years old). At that heart rate, my half marathon is around 2.35. It's important for me to enjoy myself, I don't fight for the result. Greeting

@geofftoscano6804

Ай бұрын

@@pelleruma Thanks for that though, since commenting, I have slowed quite a bit and now am struggling to stay inside of 30 minutes for 5k. The points you make are very much to be heeded. I sometimes push myself so hard that I often wonder if I enjoyed my run, and that is one of the reasons I’ve slowed down. Up until I got a running watch I had no idea as to heart rate but I find that I’m comfortable at around 145. Any more and I get into not enjoying it territory. I’ve actually tried doing a stint of MAF running, where you run strictly to a very low heart rate, though following the exact formula can be overly challenging as it can often involve walking, but it makes runs really enjoyable.

@pelleruma

Ай бұрын

@@geofftoscano6804 That's right. Even I could, at this age, run 5 km in 25/30 minutes, but that's exhausting. Unnecessary, again because of our age. When I was 15, 20, 30 years old and actively engaged in sports, then ok. Now unnecessary. Take it easy, monitor your pulse and if you need to walk for 20.30m and again. Actually that would be jogging I'm talking about. And that's how you can, almost every day, 10km without feeling tired again, but beautiful and I can't wait to do it again tomorrow. I tried to run a marathon in Belgrade (April 28), but I didn't succeed... I ran 31.5 km and had to give up because of leg cramps. I did not prepare enough, because until then I ran 5km, sometimes 10km, which, it turned out, was not enough. Now I'm preparing for next year, using the method - 10km easy, heart rate in zone 2 (up to 129 for me, that's what the watch says) and 10km a week at an average heart rate of 135. So I'll see where it takes me. But I feel much better than when I ran faster and shorter (5km). I took it too long, but maybe it will help someone decide how to run. greeting

Moving my arms faster is the only tip that worked for me, I only thought about fast arms nothing else. My cadence automatically improved. Your heart rate and breathing maybe harder when first trying it but keep at it.

It'd be great to see some advice for those of us who have a very high cadence (190+ in easy runs with short strides). I am trying to lower it but I can't seem to get my form right.

@klaasdeboer8106

6 ай бұрын

I was listening to the radio while running and the song "staying alive came by. It is above my running cadence, but still possible, I googled it and it is at 209 bpm, I think I mostly run at about 200 bpm, I think I am going to use music to get used to different cadences, I think by training at lower BPM's I will gain some muscle strength, which will be helpfull running at my own cadence.

But if i increase my cadence hr will increase as well

I naturally manage the golden 180 but im only 5ft so only manage 1m stride, so should i try to increase my cadence further? Do my short legs make this difference lol

At 200 210 spm I think I could trade in some cadence for some more stride length.

We did this with professional runners. The trouble is people don’t want to work on it as it takes months and years to improve. Very often tight hamstrings will stop you improving your Cadence. I worked on mine got to 17 minutes for 5k from 25 minutes and got less injury. Do these drills on an easy day or incorporate them into your run warm up.

@ruturajsinhrajput

3 жыл бұрын

Buddy how i improve my 5k run in 20 minutes??

@60cent94

2 жыл бұрын

This... I've been running for years now and form is a skill that takes years to improve. Even 10 years into running I'm still learning new things.

Jan Frodeno is running at 160spm. Cadence significantly depends on body height and leg length.

@mikexhotmail

3 жыл бұрын

Jan ran 165-169 spm at Challenge Miami 2021

I see you wear Ons. I've been wearing them for years and love them. A coworker, who runs 15min 5ks, swears on his Hokas. I"m curious to try them

@DigininjaRobin

3 жыл бұрын

They are a show sponsor so they pretty much have to wear them.

@cwr8618

3 жыл бұрын

@@DigininjaRobin ah didn't pick up on that. still good shoes

@DigininjaRobin

3 жыл бұрын

@@cwr8618 Mine are OK except in damp conditions when they make a really annoying squelching noise, it is bad enough I find it embarrassing to run in them when it's like that. Dry and wet they are fine, just damp.

@cwr8618

3 жыл бұрын

@@DigininjaRobin which model do you run? what other shoes do you run in?

@DigininjaRobin

3 жыл бұрын

@@cwr8618 Don't know the model name, they are dark blue upper, red tread road shoes with cheese wire laces, they are a couple of years old so probably not made any more. Currently running road in a mix of Inov8 Road Claw and New Balance London Marathon. Trail is all Inov8

My cadence is quick 185-190 but my stride is so flipping short I am sloooowww in real terms. I have the opposite problem and can’t make my stride longer. Is that lack of glute engagement..?? I do a lot of my training on a treadmill -is this maybe making things worse? PS What’s everyone’s favourite 180+ track?

I've been trying to improve my cadence for several weeks now but I just can't get it right on a lower pace. I have to run faster than 4:30/km to get a cadence of 170+. My easy runs are at 160'ish :(

@hxxxxwxxx

3 жыл бұрын

Try some 100m sprints repeats on track,maybe even 200m or 400m,once a week between your normal trainings and see what happens after a month.

@MauriceG85

3 жыл бұрын

@@hxxxxwxxx I actually did 10x400m at a pace of 4:00/km yesterday. My cadence was tipping the 180 so that seems to be fine. It's the slow(er) pace where I'm struggling. I see people doing 5:30'ish/km with a cadence of 170+ i just can't. I even tried to keep my cadence with a metronome app, but I'll just go instantly faster lol That's oke on my tempo/interval runs, but not on my easy runs.

@alancooke6630

3 жыл бұрын

My cadence is 165-170. Mid foot strike under my centre of gravity. I can't get it consistently higher.

@MauriceG85

3 жыл бұрын

@@alancooke6630 if you're listening music with your phone during the run you could try to use a cadence app. Im using this one to practice my cadence. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frozenape.tempolite

@hxxxxwxxx

3 жыл бұрын

@@MauriceG85 Sorry for late reply,when the big "180 steps/min."came out years ago,i break it down to 3 steps/sec. so I ran my easy run (5:30-6mins/km) with my mind counting 1,2,3,1,2,3... Starts with slower pace and shorter stride length,once you get used to the rhythm you'll found it very easy. After that,you'll probably need to work on higher cadence and lengthen your stride to get some speed.

Is 160 a good running cadence? I've been trying to improve for some time now but with little success.

@edisantosaes

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, for non-athlete a minimum of 170. Athletes cadence is around 180.

Is there actually an optimal cadence though? I’ve always thought my cadence (145-160 depending on intensity) is pretty poor and that if I were to increase it then I’d see improved run times. However I recently read Matt Fitzgerald’s “80/20 running” and one of the things he wrote about cadence is that it isn’t open to conscious manipulation, and in studies where runners have consciously tried to alter it; their performance worsened (something I’ve experienced too). He also adds that there are elites who defy the “180 standard”, like Mo Farah with 160 spm. Personally I don’t think that cadence is anything to be concerned about unless it’s being slowed down due to poor running technique. Otherwise just focus on putting in the miles and over time the body will change to meet its own optimal efficiencies, if increased cadence is one of them then great, but if not then don’t sweat it (no pun intended).

@samlissaman3734

3 жыл бұрын

The 180 standard originated from an observational study of elite athletes. IMO everyone has a natural cadence range that they should be targeting.

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I was over striding: shortening my stride / increasing my pace was critical to getting rid of knee and hip pain that I struggled with for decades, and most people are guilty of the same. I'd certainly try it and see how it feels.

@andrewmcalister3462

3 жыл бұрын

It's not so much cadence, as stride length and overstriding that is the potential negative. Obviously, cadence, stride length and pace are interelated. But cadence is a lot easier to measure than length, so it makes sense to focus on that.

@ReinierS

3 жыл бұрын

I run between 161-163. My speed is only determined by pass length. When I run 8min miles I run 164, when I run 10 min miles I run 161

@llewodcm20

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilfdarr Same here! Increasing cadence to around 180 and focusing on shortening my strides and running more slowly got rid of most of my pain and allowed me to finally start running long distances again!

What about if we are way faster than that 180??? I have been at close to 200-210… is it problematic?

And i just did it today..

do you try to keep a high cadence even on slow runs?

Really comfy looking rocks in that video

I have one tip: barefoot running. It'll fix your cadence right away. It's impossible to land on heels while barefoot. Though you need to increase distance slowly because it is more challenging for the calves. By barefoot I mean running with shoes with flat soles without padding.

@60cent94

2 жыл бұрын

I second this.

@klaasdeboer8106

6 ай бұрын

I run barefoot and in my case that means without shoes, I run with my running club, and I have a cadence far quicker than the rest. I think one of the advantages of barefoot running which is often overlooked is the weight, Think about your legs moving like a system where a mass is being moved by a spring, when reducing weight the frequency of the oscillating mass will go up.

@inz_uzi

6 ай бұрын

@@klaasdeboer8106 I think you went too far with this 😀. There is some "springy" force in feet but there's none in thighs and glutes which are responsible for the forward - backward movements of legs while running. Barefoot running simply prevents you from long strides and forces you to increase the cadence.

@klaasdeboer8106

6 ай бұрын

@@inz_uzi Well, in that case you save a lot of energy not accelerating and decelerating the mass of the shoe.

@inz_uzi

6 ай бұрын

@@klaasdeboer8106 I see you are a fan of barefoot running. I think it's great too. However you need to be realistic. Good running shoes weigh just around 200 g per pair. The benefits outweigh this small penalty. If running without shoes was faster then every pro would do it.

Can you increase your cadence without increasing your heart rate? For example, on easy zone 2 aerobic run?

@gtn

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Andrew, if you are running at a cadence which is higher than usual, you will probably find that your heart rate is higher as the faster SPM will strain your cardiovascular system more. The more you train your cadence at a higher SPM the more acquainted you will become and your heart rate will begin to stabilise over time :) hope this helps!

At 4:20 to 3:40 min/km pace I'm stuck at 180 bpm 😑

Damn So close.... Second :(

Now for the majority of us, improving our cadence, means improving our cadence ,

Watching slow mo running clips on GTN confuses my cadence

First

You must listen rock music

@Tibovl

3 жыл бұрын

What? Rock is only like 140bpm max, and the genre doesn't even have a set bpm. Some songs have way lower bpm.

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

As much as I like rock, the BPM generally is just wrong for running. The only exceptions I've found are “Run to the water” by Live, “Guardian” and “That I would be good” by Alanis Morissette Those three are literally the only ones I've found in the 170-180 range! A lot of rap is good for running, and there's some Pop that works too...

@llewodcm20

3 жыл бұрын

Drum and bass is the only consistent genre I can think of that hangs in that 170-180bpm area. It's almost perfect for running.

@Tibovl

3 жыл бұрын

@@llewodcm20 (Happy) Hardcore and drumstep as well.

All the slomo footage of runners is really unhelpful in a video about cadence...