The problem with the 'not wanting to change lanes too often' reasoning is you push those lane changes onto other people who need to make multiple lane changes to get around you.

@Lucas-li6ss

Ай бұрын

only if you drive too slowly. If you drive as fast as the other cars in your lane or as fast as the speed limit, I don't see a problem.

@DMC585

Ай бұрын

if your lane (left lane) is moving faster than the middle lane then it is deemed correct to keep with the flow of traffic even if it means performing an undertake of the slower moving middle lane.

@meeka3486

Ай бұрын

If I'm driving up the middle lane [overtaking vehicles in lane 1] and then I catch up to other vehicles in lane 2, and lane 1 is now clear, the cars in lane 2 who choose not to move back to the left are now slowing me down. If you can't see the problem with that I suggest you educate yourself further. BARE IN MIND, large vehicles are not allowed in the outer most lane, and typically, coaches travel much faster than lorries so you are holding them up and causing congestion by lane hogging the middle, simply because you are too scared to change lanes.

@meeka3486

Ай бұрын

​@Lucas-li6ss you may think your doing "the speed limit" but everyone's speedo is different, as stated in the video. If left lane is clear and people in lane 2 are catching you, you need to move to lane 1 so they can pass safely. Hogging lane 2 will only encourage people to undertake, which is far more dangerous.

@ado543

Ай бұрын

@@meeka3486 Yes exactly - I think there is a big issue with people being too lazy to change lanes and they don't see the problem. Everyone else then needs to make a lane change to get around the lazy driver..

I personally have no issue with people in lane 2 or 3 going on or over the speed limit. The real problem are the people who think it's ok to sit in the middle lane at 50/60 overtaking nothing, can move over and are forcing people who aren't going 70 into the outer lanes which we all know is the lane for the Range rovers and German cars, and they get aggressive and tailgate and flash people who dare cross their path

@user-sb5vc9nq1e

Ай бұрын

100%

@JWSoul

Ай бұрын

😂 😂

@daviemac9925

Ай бұрын

Undertaking isn't actually illegal, where it becomes dangerous is when it's a large Lorry or a Caravan being towed because you can't see in front. There could be a vehicle moving into Lane 1.

@mikehunter2844

Ай бұрын

Hoggers don't force others who want to overtake out to the outer lanes. Lane hoggers can be legally overtaken on either side.

@spamhead

Ай бұрын

You can drive in whatever lane you want(unless signs indicate otherwise), as long as you check your mirrors every few seconds. Unfortunately a lot of people only use their mirrors when reversing. I begrudge people dawdling past when I’ve had the decency to move over, and am then forced to slow down to 60 or less as there is slow moving traffic ahead.

A friend used to be a traffic cop in the Greater Manchester area. One night on a very quiet M62 she was following a car sticking to the middle lane even though there was virtually nothing else on the road. Eventually she pulled the vehicle over and asked the driver why he wasn't using the left hand lane. His answer was: "I like to be in charge of the highway". She booked him for careless driving but said if there was a law about being a prat she'd have booked him for that as well!

@hotshot8365

Ай бұрын

The M62 between the M60 and Warrington is an absolute haven for lane hoggers. Not sure why, I think it is very flat and straight so people just pick a lane and switch their brains off or something.

@alkbolk

27 күн бұрын

I was taught that it's good to stay in the middle lane at night if no other cars are nearby. That way you have more time to react if for example an animal comes running onto the road in front of you.

@alinutzalin6346

26 күн бұрын

She didn't have anything else to do huh.

@davehughes6501

26 күн бұрын

​@@alkbolk Strange way to justify your poor driving

@Kingkongkirk1234

26 күн бұрын

Note they said if no other cars are nearby

4:57 Maybe it's just me but I think it would be more conducive to road safety if more attention was paid to taking lunatics like that red car off the road than beginner drivers committing minor errors like "signalling a bit too early"

@undeniableluck3260

Ай бұрын

all mistakes can end up being dangerous

@FBI_Agent_69420

Ай бұрын

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@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

@@undeniableluck3260 Wasn't a mistake by the red car driver, though. Arguably even more dangerous - when people are deliberately taking these sorts of risks, you know they do it all the time.

@puzzlaa6616

Ай бұрын

Well if some middle lane moron is doing 60mph in lane 3 so that a few minutes later they *might* pass a lorry doing 56mph, you can understand why drivers get frustrated and pass on the left. Which is totally legal when there’s a queue. It’s a shame that a so called driving instructor justifies middle lane hogging in this manner, only to get passed several times on the left because they aren’t making progress and are just in the way

@OneWayTicketToTheMoon

29 күн бұрын

​@undeniableluck3260 whilst us humans are driving we all make mistakes on occasions. Even you.

It mostly boils down to "skill issue" then, because it demonstrates they're unable to observe, plan ahead and change lanes safely, and shows a casual disregard for others. As for the M25, I once did this experiment in the late evening after dropping someone off at Heathrow. I set the cruise to 80 and just sat in lane 1, and I covered approximately the distance from Gerrards Cross to Chandlers Cross without once having to change lane to overtake. I passed so much traffic idly sitting in lanes 3 and 4 at 60 mph or less while lanes 1 and 2 went completely unused.

@Reduletzuu

Ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts, 1/3 of drivers have close to zero awareness/judgement.

@adamlea6339

Ай бұрын

@@Reduletzuu Yes, I wonder if the safety of the modern world has eroded people's spatial awareness. In this day and age you don't have to be constantly on edge in case something is going to leap out and kill you, unless you live in Croydon or Crawley, so many people, used to walking around with their head buried in a smartphone (i.e. the smart phone dumb user) without consequence to themself, get in a car and drive with a similar lack of awareness of their surroundings. I don't get it as it really isn't difficult to periodically check mirrors. I do this frequently when overtaking and will pull left into a gap if a driver is approaching behind at a faster speed so they can overtake unimpeded.

@DavidJBradshaw

29 күн бұрын

It should be an offence to be undertaken

@olatron

29 күн бұрын

This is basically how i drive, just at 70. I just routinely undertake, they're oblivious.

@davidlongman2341

29 күн бұрын

@@olatron I occasionally undertake but before I do I always plan what to do if the offending car suddenly pulls into my lane in front of, or even beside me. On a motorway this escape route would be the hard shoulder. If a car whilst being undertaken pulls in and there is a collision it will be the undertaking car that is blamed. The very fact that a car sits in the middle lane at all implies general poor driving, observation skills could well be lacking too. Don't become the offender by being a cavalier undertaker. You know it makes sense.

I hate it when you go and over take and the car on the left speeds up and wont let you over take. or they over take you and then slow down in front, motorways is not a game of chicken!

@reubenjackson7829

Ай бұрын

Sometimes I find it the other way round . Which is really annoying

@rufusgreenleaf2466

Ай бұрын

I had this not long ago on the M62, i happily went to overtake into the right lane and the person in the middle lane sped up to my speed. It would have turned into a race but i just took a deep breath and eased off. Moved back behind them and they did slow down but there wasn't much i could do.

@mattwoodford1820

Ай бұрын

The difference between using cruise control and not. I find that happens a lot too from either side and sometimes I get funny looks from the vehicle with erratic speed as if to say "what are you doing". Makes me giggle to myself

@skylarius3757

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I get that from time to time on dual carriageways when I drive a HGV at work limited to 52mph. It's annoying. People should not be driving in a manor which impedes other motorists.

@2010SmartFortwo

Ай бұрын

It’s even worse when driving my Smart car! People especially in big SUVs get really aggressive when I overtake them!

I once got a taxi from Southampton to Portsmouth because of rail strikes. As soon as we reached the M27 the taxi driver immediately went into the middle lane and stayed there at 60mph the whole time, cars were passing us right and left. We also straddled the lanes for almost every multilane roundabout, went round one roundabout twice. Some drivers are shockingly bad.

@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

Taxi driver, too. I bet he didn't drive like that on his way to a fare.

@davem9204

Ай бұрын

I hate getting taxis mainly for this reason. I'm struggling to remember one who could drive competently.

@blueninjasix

Ай бұрын

Could he have been a follower of the religion of peace?

@looney7022

Ай бұрын

Taxi drivers are quite possibly the worst and most selfish professional drivers on the road.

@Katsumoto0456

Ай бұрын

@@blueninjasix Some people may say that but I couldn't possibly comment.

Lane-hogging is very selfish driving. Even if any of these reasons are valid from an individual perspective, it collectively makes the motorway much more congested and more dangerous.

@phr00tpie

Ай бұрын

How so? The number of cars on the road is unchanged, right? if you are behind a slower moving vehicle waiting to over take, then anyone in the lane beside you is also going to be overtaking you as well so that doesn't cause an issue. Do you simply mean you might have to wait slightly longer to overtake and thus people are mildly inconveniencing you? this is a genuine question i just want to understand how it makes roads more congested.

@bencoder

Ай бұрын

​@phr00tpie only one person at a time can overtake a slower moving car in the middle lane, if they are in the most left lane then more people can overtake at a time, at varying speeds. With someone in the middle lane everyone who wants to overtake them is forced to slow to the speed of the slowest overtaker. Essentially, it clogs up the right lane by forcing more people into it which slows everyone down, which necessarily causes more congestion

@PointNemo9

Ай бұрын

@@phr00tpie Traffic flow is reduced, which makes journey times longer, so there are actually more cars on the road at any given time. It also effectively reduces road capacity since lane 1 is not fully utilised. Imagine a car is driving in lane 2 of a 3-lane motorway at 66Mph (which would probably show as 70Mph on the speedo), all of the faster moving traffic has to merge into a single file to pass at 70Mph in lane 3. If this car was driving correctly, faster traffic can pass much more efficiently with 2 overtaking lanes available. If many drivers hog the middle-lane, then the cumulative effect on traffic and journey times is massive.

@reubenjackson7829

Ай бұрын

What about dodging massive set of potholes on a bridge? The stretch is about 500 + m long

@bertlemoi431

Ай бұрын

@@reubenjackson7829 Nobody is arguing about you having to drive the risk of breaking your suspension and/or back. But if you just hog a lane because the road could be in bad shape, you're just being lazy.

Half way through and my collected thoughts are that most of the reasons are part of describing a driver who needs to drastically improve their standard of driving, especially observations and planning.

@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

You can't plan for being blocked in the inside lane when you don't want to exit. I'd argue the problem wouldn't actually be any better if more people did return to the left lane, as you'd simply be blocked from exiting when you _do_ want to instead, but it's still not something it's possible to plan for. I think his point about his own reason for 'middle lane hogging' was probably the most key one. He was attempting to get out to the outside lane to make the most of the speed limit. There's an assumption that everyone on the road doing something slightly inconvenient for you is just an incompetent moron, but often they're simply attempting to perform their own manoeuvre. That said, there are definitely a lot of incompetent morons on the road so it's very possible to be that, too.

@ado543

Ай бұрын

@@KindredBrujah People make assumptions and are not good at looking at the whole picture. There are definitely situations where it appears people are middle lane or even right lane hogging, but they're not (like in the video), and some drivers get impatient and aggressive, because they feel like they are being held up. On the other hand, I'd say the majority of middle lane hogging I see is blatant incompetence or laziness.

@jpjukes

Ай бұрын

@@ado543 The issue I see with middle lane and right lane hogging is that as you say it causes road rage, aggressive driving and people to take risks. This is all easily prevented by driving with due care and consideration. It's people who are sat in the middle lane at 60 miles per hour that often cause accidents/near misses on motorways. Several times recently I've seen several very near misses all caused by someone presumably half asleep sitting in lane 2 or 3 not overtaking and causing a backlog of people to suddenly slam on brakes or swerve into another lane.

@CaptainHat

27 күн бұрын

​@@KindredBrujah you can absolutely plan for that if- and this is the key point- the person blocking you in isn't a complete dipshit. Indicate out to lane 2 and at least 50% of the time a driver paying attention in tge middle lane will let you out, either by pulling into lane 3 themselves or by slowing down. You just have to pay attention to what's going on around you and communicate with other drivers. There are people in those cars too, you know.

@KindredBrujah

27 күн бұрын

@@CaptainHat Your 'if' there is pretty critical. In my experience it's probably split into thirds - a third will let you out, a third won't even notice you're indicating and the last third will deliberately speed up to make sure you don't 'take their spot'.

I have been learning to drive since February, I passed today with 2 minors. I watched ALL of your videos. They helped so much and saved so much time and money! Thank you!!!!

@EvoBeard

Ай бұрын

Huge congratulations! The world is your oyster now. 😃 (Hope you don't mind me saying, but the big thing I recommend on retaining as a habit is the quick glance over the shoulder for the blind spot when merging/joining /changing lanes, even cars with Blind Spot Monitoring can get caught out, as you see nothing in the mirror you think it's nothing. Caught me out twice nearly within the first year, never again! Take care out there! 🙂)

@ConquerDriving

Ай бұрын

That's fantastic news! Thank you for watching and congratulations on passing!

@smash461986

Ай бұрын

Nice. And lucky to have a decent examiner. Some fail you or add marks because they need to meet a quota.

Passed my test today first time with only 5 minors 🎉 must admit I've watched your videos every day for weeks and they have helped me no end so thank you and will most definitely keep watching your amazing videos 👍

Your videos helped me to pass my driving test yesterday! Thank you Richard!

I was on the M25 and M1 last Saturday. It is comical how many times there are no vehicles in lane 1 on a 4 lane stretch for miles. and yet drivers are all lined up in lane 2, usually doing around 60 and driving too close. This forces drivers catching in lane 1 to either drive slower than them, make two lane changes to drive around them (and then two back when possible), or undertake. I saw several drivers take advantage and dangerously move from lanes 3 and 4 to undertake at speed and move back to their slightly busier lanes. Now, I think that moving out to lane 2 at junctions, especially if they have short slip roads (I'm looking at you, M1 J5 Southbound), can be helpful to joining traffic, and I gather in some countries that it's mandatory, but that is the only reason I can see to move out of a clear lane that is continuing ahead.

@mikehunter2844

Ай бұрын

I find that very hard to believe. The hogger is in lane 2 and lanes 3 and 4 are overtaking. Why when it's clear to overtake in lanes 3 and 4 would several motorist slow down to the hoggers speed and move to lane 1, undertake, then go straight back into lanes 3 or 4?

@bri77uk1

Ай бұрын

@mikehunter2844 Have you not driven on the M1 or M25 on a weekend? Lanes 3 and 4 often bunch up a bit, too, usually with hoggers also in lane 3, so you start getting these "weavers" who see that they can go faster in lane 1. They don't slow down to match anyone's speed, just dangerously cut across lanes.

@realrich338

Ай бұрын

Yep, I see this frequently on the M25 when I drive from Essex to Swindon. Shame that I never usually see a patrol car for the entire journey.

@BenLinford30

Ай бұрын

was on the M25 at about 9pm on a friday about a month ago. I was in lane 1 doing ~70 as motorway was basically empty. 2 cars entered from a slip road ahead of me. First one went straight to lane 3 at ~70 second one went staright to lane 2 at ~60. I moved to lane 3, passed the car in lane 2, then moved back to lane 1. Didn't see them again but am pretty sure they stayed there. Car that went to lane 3 however, stayed there for about 15 miles then exited the motorway. I stayed in lane 1 the whole time without seeing another car ahead, let alone overtaking anyone. Bonkers! Both of them couls have easily just gone into lane 1 and stayed trhere.

@fatbikemontage2931

29 күн бұрын

If that is on a smart motorway with no hard shoulder, I fully support those choosing not to use lane 1. Though I also believe there are only two speeds vehicles should be travelling. 56mph or 70mph, if this was adhered to congestion would be significantly eased. If you have ever seen a vehicle stranded in a live lane 1 of a smart motorway and the signage hasn’t closed the lane, the danger is very real.

An old boy told me he drove from Manchester to Birmingham in the middle lane. He scolded me for too many lane changes while trying to keep left.

@FBIAGENT95103

Ай бұрын

😂

@khchoi2012

Ай бұрын

Did you not scold back? He could end up with points on his license or in court.

@GG-gotr6

Ай бұрын

That old boy would fail a driving test so why listen to him ! I'm an old boy that drives with consideration and move to the left when it's clear.

@clivewilliams3661

Ай бұрын

I am an 'old boy' who used to do between 20,000 - 30,000miles per year, mainly on motorways and I was mostly found in lanes 1 & 2 travelling at a 'good' pace and making much better and safer progress than the dicks in the outer lanes. There is still a residual recollection of misinformation that was put out by the DoT decades ago that implied that lane 1 was for trucks only and lane 2 was normally for cars. This has never been formally refuted and becomes a learning point for younger drivers utilising their senior's experience, all because they have never been shown how to do it properly.

I've passed my driving test last week with just 3 minors! Thank you so much for the videos Richard, they really helped a lot, especially the videos with Emily when I just started my lessons few months ago

@ConquerDriving

Ай бұрын

That's fantastic news! Thank you for watching and congratulations on passing!

Another good video. Middle or outside lane hogging bugs me a lot. What also bugs me is the lack of general bad driving offence enforcement in this country. People only ever seem to get fined for speeding. While I don't condone speeding I do strongly feel that often other traffic offences are even more dangerous than speeding. That's why in my opinion people constantly ignore basic highway code rules as there is no (apparent) deterrent.

@ethanrushbrook3314

Ай бұрын

You should see what the M1 like is here in Australia (NSW). At night especially when there's barely any cars the trucks just sit in the middle lane doing 40-50 under up the hills 🤣. So dangerous and pointless

@carlkuss8300

Ай бұрын

Absolutely 100% Simon. Traffic enforcement has been traded for speed enforcement.

@twentyrothmans7308

Ай бұрын

@@ethanrushbrook3314 I was hoping that another Aussie would chime in. Bad memories of the M1. Overtaking there is harder than the UK because of the prevalence of cameras.

@Kaiser-ks3yq

Ай бұрын

Speaking of how general traffic offenses compare with speeding, what would you say each offense compares to in terms of speeding (on a duel carriageway). for example: undertaking - 5mph over the limit double lane change when joining - 15 over limit staying in blind spot - 10 over limit following too close 10-20 over limit depending on severity no lights on at night/rainy conditions - 15 over limit accelerating when being overtaken - 5 over limit. middle lane hogging - 10 over limit like if someone's doing a few of these at time (let's say middle lane hogging, following too close, no lights) I think it's perfectly fair to equate that to someone who goes 35 over (105mph) I personally would feel safer from injury (but more at risk of being fined) if I was in a car (driving or otherwise) doing 85mph, than being in a car doing 55 in lane 3, with the other 2 completely clear, seeing cars struggling to all get past.

@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

@@Kaiser-ks3yq No lights on is legitimately the most dangerous of these by miles. It should be bannable, and cars should all be required by law to either have sensors to put the lights on automatically or just always have the lights on, like in a Volvo.

I remember seeing elderly couple, 3rd lane doing 60, with long line of cars behind. Me on motorbike, lane 1 and 2 empty, so pulled from 2 to 1 and under took them all. Get away as quick as possible from that potential disaster.

@stuartscott1679

19 күн бұрын

That's the problem people are driving into their old age. The worst are elderly women shockingly crap nervous drivers.

i passed my test yesterday first try and i just wanted to say thank you for all your help, your videos taught me a lot

Passed my test today, thank you so much for these videos, I literally could not have passed without them.

The reason some people lane hog is because they are lazy, or can’t forward plan lane changes and in some cases uneducated regarding the correct use of lanes. One of my biggest pet hates, is drivers who charge down the slip road, indicator on go straight into lane 2 or 3 without check first.

@loonaticsrunningtheassylum

25 күн бұрын

That and idiots who whilst on the motorway and when approaching a slip road they move out of lane one .. even though your can clearly see there is NOTHING on the slip road.. where they continue doing 55mph until they finally remember they shouldn't be in lane 2..

@RobertIreland-dk3lr

23 күн бұрын

Lazy is good and safe! I get onto the M6 at Milton Keynes and take up the middle lane. Contrary to your comment, my exit is planned in advance , for Glasgow.

@ChrisBrown_1959

17 күн бұрын

@@RobertIreland-dk3lr You mean the M1, the M6 is nowhere near Milton Keynes.

My favourite thing about our roads is unless it's 2am you won't touch the speed limit once during a journey. And even at 2am you'll get caught in roadworks without a single person in them doing any work.

@ldarm

Ай бұрын

For sure! Potholes seem to breed so often!

My father in law does it because he believes crossing cats eye's too often will damage his tyres. He's managed to pass this wisdom on to my wife as well, and she brings it up constantly when I'm driving on the motorway with her as a passenger and she sees me returning to the left hand lane.

@stephenhowe568

27 күн бұрын

I had a passenger who thought the same so I purposely drove on the cats eyes when the lane was quiet. We were on our way home to Hampshire from Lancashire. Tyres were fine until they wore out.

Over the last 6 months I have watched many of your videos despite having passed my test before you were born (1986) ! Driving, like life, is a constant learning experience so I have been able to catch up on highway code changes as well as further driving tips, for which I would like to say thank you for your detailed and informative instruction. Over all the quality of drivers on the road seems have gone down over the last couple of decades which, IMO, coincides with the reduction of law enforcement vehicles on the road . Thank you for your continued quality content.

Changing lanes should be a normal motorway behaviour it keeps you aware of what's going on around you infrount and behind it gives you a focus instead of daydreaming watch the movement of cars ahead look for brake lights lighting in rapid succession indicating a hazard yet hundreds of yards in front gives you a one up to avoid a problem.

@RobertIreland-dk3lr

23 күн бұрын

So you only know what's happening around you if you change lanes! The rest of the time you're sleeping?

When three lane motorways were first introduced we were told by the latest Highway Code that the inside lane was the slow lane, the middle lane was the fast lane and the outside lane was for overtaking. With traffic levels relatively low compared with today that worked. If you are driving with those distant memories take heed of this video.

This is a very timely video for me. I’m a North American visiting the UK for six weeks and though I have driven here extensively in the past, I am amazed at the amount of lane-hogging and lack of return to lane 1 after overtaking that I am seeing these days. Once upon a time, most everyone drove smaller, less powerful cars, and drove more sedately, but now that almost all vehicles can practically drive themselves, everyone has their boot down. Speed is king.

@froggiewrench1

29 күн бұрын

Welcome to Britain. The experience shown in this clip on Polish motorways fully demonstrates that road manners are a combination of law and unselfish cooperation.

Hi Richard, I passed my driving test today only with 3 minor faults for the first time. Your videos helped me immensely to prepare for the test. Especially me being a very nervous driver. Probably you don’t know how much difference you make in others lives but you do. You are an amazing person 😊

@ConquerDriving

29 күн бұрын

That's really great to hear! Thank you for watching and congratulations on passing!

Thanks for your videos. I went to a driving instructor who told me I don't know what I am doing and will need months to learn how to drive in the UK and I need so many lessons for me to pass my driving test. I have already booked my driving test which was 10 days after my theory. I decided to dump that instructor and then started watching your videos 24/7 and Went for my driving test and passed for the first time with 2 minors. Thanks for all you do.

Went on a road trip through Germany last year and have to say the way they deal with the elephant races is much better. Most of the time particularly around junctions lorries are not allowed to overtake one another. When the road becomes less complicated they are allowed to overtake this makes much more sense to me as it helps keep the flow.

I am probably biased because I have been driving for nearly 50 years, and my father taught me, and followed the same instruction, exactly as you described: the driving lane and the overtaking lanes, and to always return to the driving as soon as you have finished overtaking and it is dafe to do so. Yes, there was less traffic in the 1970's,, and fewer dual-carriageways/motorways, but it is something I do without needing to think about it (noticed recently by a Latvian friend of mine) and have ended up undertaking accidentally when I passed a vehicle three lanes to my right before realising how slow they were driving in the 4th lane! Thanks for an interesting video.

@mikehunter2844

Ай бұрын

What is undertaking accidentally?

@bigKDL

Ай бұрын

Overtaking or undertaking is a manoeuvre if you are in the first lane and pass a slower car in the outside lanes you have not overtaken or undertaken you have just held your speed and position

It’s just LAZY driving when they refuse to return to lane 1

I just passed my test in January and drive from London to Southampton often to see my boyfriend. I usually drive around 9-10pm, and although the M25, M3 and M27 are fairly empty at that time, I still see so many middle lane hoggers!! I always stick to the speed limit and try not to undertake, so it can be really annoying, especially when there aren't many cars in the normal driving lane to overtake, so I end up having to overtake all these middle lane drivers, moving all the way to the outside lanes! I've had several people driving at least 50-60mph in the middle lanes too 😕Thank you for this video!! ❤

That red car at 4:53 should be reported for careless/Dangerous driving.

@finalscore2983

Ай бұрын

Agreed.

@blakesedit6827

Ай бұрын

wonder why the plate was blurred ?

@rzrx1337

Ай бұрын

@@blakesedit6827 Probably to avoid witch hunting from misguided vigilantes.

@SamOwenI

Ай бұрын

That kind of driving is sadly very common on M25 and other motorways. I see it very often. Multiple times per trip sometimes.

@jastat

Ай бұрын

Go for it, send the police the video

The biggest problem on our motorways is large lorries overtaking large lorries, taking miles and miles to do it. Thus pushing everyone out to the outside lane to get around them, THERE IS NO MIDDLE LANE - of course depending on the time of day. I think unless a lorry can overtake within a certain distance\or time, THEY SIMPLY SHOULDN'T. This is an issue I've never seen discussed.

@N.i.c.k.H

Ай бұрын

It's not just lorries. Cars doing 70(ish), often on cruise control, are effectively doing exactly the same thing - they just don't have the same excuses as lorries.

@Peterraawwrr

Ай бұрын

@@N.i.c.k.H if a car on cruise control is doing 70 mph, you cannot go any faster without breaking the law, so what are you suggesting? if one car was doing say 67 mph and the cruise control car on 70, you should not expect that car to slow down and stay in the same lane as the 67 mph car, nor should you expect it to speed up to get past more quickly.

@DGQ1Q2

Ай бұрын

Yes, like 4 lanes and lanes 1,2,3 busy with Lorries like doing a slow motion race. And all the funnel go to lane 4. When I just overtake them all the front lanes 1,2,3 free. .

@andrearoyd2942

Ай бұрын

@@N.i.c.k.H Good point. The lorries can pose quite a problem when it's busy and there could be about three - one after another, but not directly behind each other but no room to get back in - other than continue in the outside lane. I avoid getting in between lorries, as they often travel very close to each other !

@raithrover1976

Ай бұрын

HGV drivers who are unwilling to dial the cruise control down 0.5 of a mph and take 5 miles to complete the overtake are prats. It's worst on 2 lane carriageways and you'll often see the driver who's just been overtaken pulling out to re-overtake a couple of miles further up the road. Speaking as an HGV driver myself, I should add that it can be easy to get trapped alongside another HGV that was struggling up an incline and has now crested the hill if you are unfamiliar with a road. The right thing to do in that scenario is to accept defeat, ease off and drop back in behind.

Thanks Richard for the video. Hearing other people debating over middle-lane hogging is really interesting😂

I agree with the keep to the left lane rule simply because it is one rule. Everyone has a different opinion and play by their own rules which is more dangerous. One rule for everyone. Simple and safer.

@mattwoodford1820

Ай бұрын

it's difficult as different situations have different requirements. if you're overtaking at a junction it might be prudent to stay in lane 2 rather than to make a move back to lane 1 as vehicles are trying to merge onto the road. In fact, if nothing is going to overtake you in the time you are by the junction, why not move to lane 3 to give other vehicles the space to move out and assist the merging vehicles. If the answer is "cos the highway code says so" then I would ask do you allow vehicles to merge in turn when 2 lanes become 1 by giving plenty of space in front of you for the zip to happen cleanly? The highway code provide guidelines for driving but it very much seems to negate traffic flow. Good traffic flow reduces jams so in my unprofessional opinion it should be whatever helps the traffic flow best

@DMC585

Ай бұрын

@mattwoodford1820 yeah definitely. Cars on joining slips roads need you to move over as you would treat them as vehicles moving slower so same rules apply.

@mattwoodford1820

Ай бұрын

@@DMC585 yeah it's a balance. So many different but similar situations, if I make sense 🙂 I just try to drive in a safe manner that manages overall flow

And on a 4 lane motorway, they hog lane 3 :( Observations are very important when driving and many drivers don't look beyond their bonnet unfortunately so don't plan ahead Motorway lessons should be mandated

Same with Germany, I was reading up on the theory tests there (to actually help a friend there), I'm not certain whether it's strictly illegal or their equivalent of our Highway Code "should not" but they teach you that you're not allowed to overtake unless you're going "appreciably faster" than what you're overtaking. So no elephant races.

This vdeo is great because it actually shows some of the reasons why it LOOKS LIKE people are lane hogging but they are not.

I did asked one of those traffic officer about undertake. I did explained that the middle lane hogger was doing 50-55 miles and i was doing 60 miles, do i have the right to undertake them because I do not wish to go out onto the fast lane as I am not going that fast. His replies was as followed... There is no speed restriction as to how fast anyone have to go on any given lane. If I am undertake a slower car, I can do so under 2 conditions 1, I must not weaving in and out to over take cars 2, I must make sure that the slower outside car not starting to move back to the inside lane. In another words, be prepared to slow down and even brake if needed. I hope that make sense. Lol

People overtake a vehicle in lane one see there is another vehicle in lane one further ahead but what they don't see is the big massive gap in lane one in between those vehicle's.

@broshmosh

Ай бұрын

So you want people to zigzag in and out of lanes in front of you? Seems weird that you want to choose to have to keep their space open for them instead of just them keeping the space they were already safely in. Unless you're a space closer?

@IM-qy7mf

Ай бұрын

@@broshmosh People like you need to be off the roads.

@atomshrimp1308

Ай бұрын

Entirely dependent on the distance imo. Personally, if I believe the vehicle behind me will overtake me before I have to pull back out for the next vehicle, I pull into lane 1 to give way.

@cigmorfil4101

Ай бұрын

​@@atomshrimp1308 I often do that, but the following vehicle then fails to overtake before I need to move back out to overtake.

@atomshrimp1308

Ай бұрын

@@cigmorfil4101 yeah that can be annoying. Generally I'll try to measure their initial approach speed (partially to assess whether it warrants me moving into lane 1 in the first place) so I can get out of the way before they have to slow down, which often means I can then get out again sooner. Sometimes they slow down next to me for no reason though, and then I get cross lol

I have a coworker that sometimes leaves before me (at least 20 min), and we both take the M4 towards Reading. He drives carefully in the left lane, while I don’t mind changing. We usually meet up half way through the journey into Reading. And I think it’s only seconds of improvement by lane switching, and you will only feel a difference in journey times if you make a light that you wouldn’t have otherwise. I drove left when tired because I know my responses may be low and the risk of lane change is higher (not sleepy tired, more like, can’t be bothered switching).

I just passed my test on Friday. Thank you for all your tips and advice, Richard. It’s always so helpful and I will continue to use it as a full license driver. 😅

@ConquerDriving

27 күн бұрын

That's great to hear! Thank you for watching and congratulations on passing!

I use to be a middle lane hogger, but after watching this video i now actively try to move back lanes when i can. Now i hate middle lane hoggers oh my god you guys were right its a terrible way to drive. Nothings worse than the mandatory lane 3 60mph van.

If you are worried about the risk associated with manoeuvres (such as changing lane), just stay in the left lane and get where you are going a little later. All risks need to be balanced against the benefits. Life is short, but not short enough to be worth risking it ending it in a pile of plastic and metal to get to work 2 mins faster.

@ranger7522

18 күн бұрын

Or they can get on a bus and leave driving for competent human beings. Since they hate driving so much why do it at all?

@usr-bin-gcc3422

18 күн бұрын

@@ranger7522 yawn. Life is also too short to waste on keyboard warriors.

@ranger7522

17 күн бұрын

you completely missed the point. I agreed with, and liked your comment. But if you think I'm a keyboard warrior, that's fine by me. like you said life is too short to argue with people like you. have a nice life

@usr-bin-gcc3422

17 күн бұрын

@@ranger7522 LOL " leave driving for competent human beings" and " Since they hate driving so much " is classic keyboard warrior stuff. Nobody said anything about hating driving and not wanting to overtake unnecessarily does not make someone an "[in]competent human being". Not even honest about the trolling. Need to do better.

Having driven a lot on motorways in France, they almost religiously move back to the outside lane over there. Makes driving on the motorways so much more pleasant, efficient and less stressful compared to here in the UK

@malphadour

27 күн бұрын

Firstly this is definately true, but secondly they generally have a fraction of the traffic density that we do in the UK. A lot of hogging is people who cant be bothered to keep changing lane because indicating is an effort... When you can travel far further without having to pass a vehicle, the learned behaviours tend to be better.

One good thing when driving in the inside lane is that, in busy motorway traffic, you have the extra option of an "escape lane" on the left (i.e., the hard shoulder) if something goes drastically wrong blocking the way in front of you and you have misjudged your safe stopping distance - when you are in the outside lane, all you have is the crash barrier or some neat driving skills to skip safely into an inside lane and whizz by the situation. Therefore always best to move into the left hand lane after overtaking. p.s. Mid lane hoggers = mobile road blocks.

@lidbass

8 күн бұрын

A woman once told me that she prefers to stay in the middle lane because 'if something happens you can go to the left or the right.' When I pointed out that the hard shoulder exists, she was dumbfounded!

Yes it’s very important to drive in the left lane unless overtaking.

Whenever I stick to the speed limit (jk I always do) I end up undertaking so many vehicles, because the left lane is free and there's a pile up in the right lane. Sometimes people will even go 5-10 miles under the speed limit in the right (third or fourth) lane and won't change lanes for miles even if it's free...

@adamb1593

Ай бұрын

This, I drive for roughly 5 hours daily at work, and i undertake constantly, not because that's what i'm setting out to do, but because i'm doing 70 in the left lane and everyone to the right is doing 55-60. Why would i move to the rightmost lane to get stuck behind these people rather than just carry on ahead.

@kapu3746

Ай бұрын

Also, even if you're overtaking, if you see someone's tailgating you, it's not hard to go back to the left lane for a brief moment when you can to let them overtake you, instead people just carry on in the right lane, cause they're going slightly faster than the cars on the left. Leading to people getting impatient and undertaking you dangerously.

@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

@@kapu3746 Indeed. I tend to stay in the right lane, because I'm going faster than vehicles on my left. Since plenty of people speed and I don't, I also ensure that I'm checking my mirrors regularly (you know, like you're meant to) and move out of the way of estates, Range Rovers and any kind of enormous pick up truck, all of which always speed in my experience. In the latter case, it's also beneficial because I can avoid being blinded by the headlights which are right at rear view mirror height for me in a normal sized car.

@boabm6522

Күн бұрын

​@@KindredBrujahyou can adjust your mirrors in such a way you blind them back when to right of you......

Try driving a lorry as a job for 6 months and see if it changes your opinion.

I used to love driving in France. Their lane discipline was a joy to behold.

Thanks for an actual nuanced take! I've been guilty of "pushing" inner lane hoggers despite doing the same myself in the past. It really doesn't seem to be clear in California, especially when the freeways are congested half of the time, so it's unreasonable to expect people to understand by tailgating or aggressively undertaking them.

I'm a lorry driver and I like it when cars spread out across the lanes. It gives me better opportunities to move to lane 2 if I need to overtake. I think it's stupid when lorries go to lane 3 to overtake at 1 mph but if it's slow traffic and they're queueing to overtake, or if lane 1 is becoming a slip road and lane 2 an unofficial slip road then that's fine. It seems these days that even the outside lane is becoming an unofficial slip road though. The only problem with middle lane hoggers is when they're not doing the correct speed and holding everyone up.

@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

Or are entirely oblivious to what's going on around them so don't give way to vehicles who are clearly trying to get past. Increasing that frustration level is going to result in accidents. Just get out of their way (when it's safe and convenient to do so).

Great video😊

The worst is when I'm driving on the motorway in lane one at 70mph with miles of clear road in front of me. On numerous occasions there are drivers in the middle lane lane doing 60mph. It forces me to slow down and overtake. They have no idea I'm there. They have no awareness of their surroundings and only have tunnel vision of what's directly in front of them. It baffles how they passed their test. Awareness is one o the most important parts of driving.

As a motorcyclist I stay in lane 3 when it’s busy, too many cars swapping lanes from 1 to 2 , I stay out of their way because one touch and I’m history, no matter what the law says I think people should use 3 lanes just because of the volume of traffic on the roads these days, it’s just chocka block in some areas 🤨

There’s a simple way to prevent these so-called elephant races. In Abu Dhabi, they have this system where they imposed a speed camera enforced minimum speed of 120 km/h on the left 2 lanes (right hand traffic) on 4 lanes or more highway. Highways with that restriction have a very high speed limit though (140 or 160 km/h). I think that such a restriction would reduce elephant races to only 2 lanes of the motorway. I think this would also maybe have the side effect of reducing the number of people that would lane hog at slow speeds as I noticed most lane hoggers are usually slow.

@Aaron-rr1gs

Ай бұрын

This is common on some major 2 lane roads, particularly where there are hills. Lane 2 will have a weight restriction on it, effectively preventing HGVs from overtaking. The M11 leaving London towards Stansted Airport is a good example.

@mattwoodford1820

Ай бұрын

​@@Aaron-rr1gsyeah some are daytime restricted

Some times it makes a bit of sense, but most of the time, people are just selfish and trying to look for an excuse to do whatever they want.

@N.i.c.k.H

Ай бұрын

I like to think that there are far more thoughtless/careless people than actually selfish. I think I'm right but the proportions may vary 😞

My late father was given a driving license and also HGV and PCV when he was a 17+ year old in the army and worked as a driver. He had all the licences but never took proper tuition or a test. He was a great army driver, using tillers vs steering wheels on troop carriers in Germany and Hong Kong, as 1960's vehicles were like that. He got the driving job because the hoity toity Officers liked him being the lapdog driving them from the NAAFI after they got well fed and pissed up on all the beer. I do miss my dad but all his life he was a middle lane driver on the motorway. He also used to flash his indicators 2 junctions before needed.

I am 66 now, and 'back in the day', we were taught NEVER to pass on the left in moving traffic. The saying was, "Overtake on the right, Overtaker, overtake on the left, Undertaker". It was considered to be the worst and most dangerous thing you could do. But now, everyone seems to 'Undertake' all the time! My own view on this contentious subject is that there should be flexibility. Drivers should be taught to be more willing to let drivers move into their lane from the left. That would make centre-lane stickers less common if they knew they would be permitted to pull out again from the lefthand lane. I have a LOT of sympathy with the view that a car doing an (indicated) 70 mph is not really 'hogging' the lane, it is only really hogging if they are doing *significantly* less than 70 with nothing in front of them. But the rule is you should return to the left if not overtaking. Like I said, flexibility is the word, IMHO.

As an American, I was explicitly taught in drivers ed that the "slow" lane (the rightmost lane in the US) is only for entering and exiting, and the safest place to drive on the highway is the middle lane. The "fast" lane (the leftmost lane in the US) is only for passing.

@JS-yn2kj

Ай бұрын

I'm in the UK and that's what I was also taught. The concept of lane 'hogging' only came about because too many people were driving too slowly (significantly less than the speed limit) in the lanes used by faster traffic.

@PointNemo9

Ай бұрын

@@JS-yn2kj Who on earth taught you that? It's completely wrong and against the highway code.

@JS-yn2kj

Ай бұрын

@@PointNemo9 It is now but it didn't used to be.

@PointNemo9

Ай бұрын

@@JS-yn2kj I'm sorry but you are mistaken, it has been the case for many decades. Perhaps you were taught to drive on motorways by an older family member, who also had an incorrect perception of how to use lanes on a motorway? You are partially right that the reason why so many people talk about it recently is because lane discipline has gotten much worse recently, but the highway code has always said you should return to the left after overtaking. It also doesn't matter how fast you are going, whether you are going 65, 75, or 85, it's still against the highway code to not return to the left after overtaking.

@JS-yn2kj

Ай бұрын

@@PointNemo9 you can believe what you like, but I've still got a copy of the highway code that I studied to pass my test, and my position is unchanged. So you can stick your beliefs in your pipe and smoke it.

All I can really add to this is what happened on my first driving lesson on the motorway. I moved out to the mile lane to begin an overtake. My instructor had been telling me how far in the distance the driver should be looking on the motorway in particular, and told me I should plan around what I can see in the distance. I finished my overtake and signalled left, moved back in when it was safe. My instructor asked "Why did you do that?" I responded "I thought the idea was to move back to the left as soon as the overtake is complete and it's safe to do so." He said "But now you're behind a truck which you are still catching. You'll need to move back to the right soon." I promptly did, in fact, need to move out again. I did so, and completed the overtake. This time my instructor said, "Now look far ahead. How many slow vehicles are in lane one?" There were three more trucks, with a gap large enough for the car. I said "Three, and I can move back to the left after the second." He said "No, don't do that, stay out in lane 2 until you're past the last one." "What about the gap? Aren't I lane hogging if I don't move back?" He said "It's only lane hogging if you have no reason to be in lane 2. You're overtaking a vehicle, and even though it's far in the distance, you'll only have to move back out if you move in. Accidents happen at junctions and in lane changes, so minimise changes with good planning." I've continued with this mentality in my own driving and it largely serves me well. I will ocasionally get aggro from drivers behind who want me to break the speed limit (they were doing so either as they approached me, or as I moved into their lane with plenty of space), or just want to bully me out of the way. Some have undertaken, but to be honest I don't really think there's a way to stop people undertaking if they feel they need to. It seems there is no proper agreement between instructors as to what actually constitutes middle lane hogging, and what constitutes a large enough gap that moving to the left should be the decision.

@anythingpeteives

Ай бұрын

Your instructor was right and it's something that is learnt with experience. The more you motorway drive the more attuned you become to when it is better to move back into lane 1 or stay where you are. I wouldn't describe that as lane hogging. Also, tough for any driver behind me as far as I'm concerned. I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. They're just going to have to be patient. I'll be out of their way soon enough.

@jgogl9791

29 күн бұрын

I disagree. You indeed return to the nearside lane unless you can predict, having naturally of course constantly monitored the traffic in your mirrors, that you'll definitely be boxed in by traffic you can see coming up behind you and you'll have to brake. I spend almost as much time looking in my rear view mirror as out the front of feels like, most journeys. My pet hate - people who brake on a motorway when it's completely avoidable.

@anythingpeteives

29 күн бұрын

@@jgogl9791 sounds like you're changing lanes a whole lot. Otherwise why would you be constantly looking in your mirrors?

@jgogl9791

29 күн бұрын

@@anythingpeteives as often as traffic conditions dictate! Otherwise you cause a rolling roadblock, and force all traffic into one lane to overtake you - causing the very elephant race that Richard himself criticises in this video. It is simply not how we drive on British roads. Although that has changed, as I have noticed the standard of driving plummeting in the last 10 years I would say.

@anythingpeteives

29 күн бұрын

@@jgogl9791 I doubt very much that my driving style, which you disagreed with, causes rolling roadblocks. I just don't weave in and out of the left lane if I deem it inefficient to do so because I am approaching another vehicle that is in the left lane and, no sooner will I have pulled into the left lane, that I will be having to signal to pull out of the left lane in a few short seconds. That is not lane hogging. That is common sense driving.

Great video and great to understand a bit more! Gosh though 3 lanes must be a luxury! Here in Scotland unless you're in an area with loads of junctions (like going through a city centre) then motorways are almost always 2 lanes so imagine the impact lane hoggers have then 😬

One thing that doesn't help is when the signs say lane one is an exit lane and lane two is a forward lane, but you get to the junction and lane one ends up being both. Only those that drive through those junctions regularly know the correct lane. The M6 near Birmingham is a prime example where lane 3 and 4 become forward lanes and that encourages lane hogging.

Tramlining can be a valid reason if they are full of rainwater. Of course those roads need to be fixed. On the case of slow lanes, they exist in Germany on particularly steep inclines, and they are added on the outside, are well signed, and stop on the top of the hill.

@N.i.c.k.H

Ай бұрын

Crawler lanes used to be much more common in the UK but modern lorries are MUCH more powerful than back in the day such that they are usualy tacho limited rather than power limited hence you don't find crawler lanes very often anymore (or downhill lorry escape features)

first excuse is silly.. and not really lane hogging.. if you are quickly catching the vehicle ahead, theres 0 point moving back over (within reason ofc) otherwise youd just be zig-zaging up the motorway. ofcourse if your miles away form the slow vehicle, move back over... but if its gona be seconds I think we all understand staying out. but the road quality cracked me up.. makes me think of the M62. especially between bradford and leeds.. its pot holed like crazy... but in the middle lane.. when it was quiet I have more than once overtaken a truck by going to the outside lane to skip the pot holes, because lets face it no car its shaking off pot holes at 70 mph without doing some sorta dmg.

@khalidacosta7133

Ай бұрын

I drive on the M62 on that stretch almost daily. A few light pot holes, you can see well in advance and just nudge the steering wheel around it. "but in the middle lane.. when it was quiet I have more than once overtaken a truck" < You are a lane hogger then. Trucks are limited to 60 however most do 56mph to save fuel. So get yourself into Lane 1 and stop causing a traffic jam.

@N.i.c.k.H

Ай бұрын

My rule of thumb is "Stay out if you can see that you would want to pull out again in 30 seconds or less"

@Poodz_

Ай бұрын

​@@N.i.c.k.H This is fairly sensible. If you're passing someone in the next 30 seconds, you are still overtaking. I used to zig-zag like the lane discipline police, but would often end up stuck in lane 1 from not being able to pull back into lane 2 due to all the traffic behind building up. In low traffic this works perfectly, in heavier traffic I find myself often constantly in lanes 2 and 3.

@cigmorfil4101

Ай бұрын

​​@@khalidacosta7133 Lorries are EU legislation speed limited to 90 km/h ~= 56 mph.

I passed thanks for your help, I couldn't have done it with out your advice

You pretty much summarised all valid points. There is really no reason you should constantly manoeuvre in and out into the lane with significantly slower traffic. Something to learn from Europe.

All of these reasons basically boil down to "I don't like changing lane", which probably means you're not confident enough of a driver to use a dual carriageway safely (maybe you did your driving test before dual carriageways were part of it). In this case there are plenty of other roads for you to use without all these difficult lane changes, and you might find it even less stressful to take the train!

@jimbakes2782

3 күн бұрын

I don't particularly *like* changing lane! (though I do it all the time as I dislike being stuck behind slow moving traffic even more). One of my worst near misses was dropping back into lane 2 after overtaking just as someone in lane 1 pulled out nearly right into me. Can't pretend it can't be risky, and from my experience it's people who enjoy changing lanes a bit too much that cause problems. Particularly the ones who don't indicate.

I wish you taught me driving

Similar in South Africa. Hogging the lane requires two things, you are in the right lane, AND you are going slower than someone who wants to overtake. If you're driving along blocking no one and you're faster than the traffic to the left of you, generally nobody gets upset with you. If you're going at the speed limit and the left lane is full of slow going lorries, the guy behind you needs to accept that traffic is a bit more intense than usual. But failing to move over when there is room to do so (even if the overtaker is speeding) is considered wrong.

Thank you for making this video. Hopefully it will make people understand each other more and be less angry and resentful which can lead to more dangerous driving. Stop spending your time and effort judging others for not being like you or not following all the laws 100%. Try to relax and enjoy your time. In driving and generally in life..

@Blu12929

29 күн бұрын

No? Middle lane hogging is literally a driving offence. Should we be ok with people driving 60 in 40mph areas too? If you hog the middle lane, you’re an idiot, none of these reasons are good justifications.

Most roads in my city have three lanes and I totally understand why drivers tend to treat the middle lane as a cruising lane, the left lane as the overtaking/turning left lane and the right lane as the slow/turning right lane. To begin with, on most junctions right turn on red is allowed and drivers try to be curteous and leave the right lane free for people to turn on red. However in my opinion it can make it so fewer vehicles make it throught the green phase, but that's besides the point. Then, the right lane is almost always busy with bus stops, buses themselves, parked cars, vehicles entering and exiting and so on. Even if you wanted to, there wouldn't be many chances for you to drive in the right lane for long periods of times. However. People then take these habits to expressways where middle lane hogging can cause issuse and make roads less efficient.

@treduke-alexander8864

Ай бұрын

Your statement doesn't apply to UK roads. It's more a North American thing.

@goaway9977

Ай бұрын

Keeping left (or right in the US) only applies on motorways. On a regular 3 lane road you always want to keep in the middle until you are relatively close to the junction you want to turn left or right at. If you're saying this creates a habit of staying in the centre lane that people then take to the motorway you're probably right but really people ought to know the difference between the two types of roads and drive accordingly.

@artemkatelnytskyi

Ай бұрын

@@goaway9977 I was speaking for my country and we don't have a differentiation. You always must keep right, on any road, unless you are overtaking somebody our turning left.

@treduke-alexander8864

Ай бұрын

@goaway9977 I'm not knowledgeable on driving in the US, but in the UK, in general, you're supposed to keep left unless overtaking or you need a different lane. I believe the difference in infrastructure informs our rules, e.g., the US has more multilane carriageways, etc. By the way, I'm not trying to undermine you, I believe we are both learning about driving in each others countries.

@goaway9977

Ай бұрын

@treduke-alexander8864 Interesting I'm actually from Australia and here the keep left unless overtaking rule only applies on roads with a speed limit above 80km/h. We have a lot of three lane roads under this speed limit and you can be in any lane you want on these roads for any length of time you want. People will typically go left lane if they are turning left within one or two intersections, middle lane if they are going straight for a while and right lane if they are turning right at the next intersection. But people will also take the middle lane instead of the left if there are bus stops on the left lane, or if they are unsure if the left lane allows cars to be parked (some but not all three lane roads allow parking in the left lane but only over nights or on weekends).

The motorway for Warrington has 4 lanes. Lanes 2, 3 & 4 are always occupied. I can set my cruise control at 72mph to not activate the plethora of speed cameras and safely undertake dozens upon dozens of cars because no one ever travels in lane 1, and it isn't a major route for lorries. When you observe the drivers, they all look gormless and look to have the inability to be educated in any manner possible, even after the massive hint of being undertaken.

Thanks for engaging with some of these issues. I like to make good progress on motorways (and European equivalents) and, where safe and legal, will quite happily sit at 140+mph. I routinely slot over to the left (in the UK) lane, whenever there's a reasonable stretch ahead, before the next vehicle. It is not a problem. Anyone who thinks it is a problem, should reflect on their own attitude and competence as a driver. Too many people do not concentrate, preferring to be lazy and inconsiderate. I'm open to other people's thoughts on this, but at 7m 23s, I would suggest you move to lane 2, at very least, to free up road space to the right - the principle being: get out of the way . . . if you can't do it by going faster, you should do it by moving left, regardless of how fast you intend to go, given an open lane ahead.

Love how you picked to go on the M25 😅 that is the classic lane hogging motorway since its typically got 4 lanes across most of its entirety, even 5/6 lanes around the M4/Heathrow. People see all those lanes and often stick themselves on lane 2 or 3 even if lane 1 is empty.

4:44 20 seconds of Ratville begins

4:53 why'd you blur the psycho's plates? These people aren't worth defending lol

@blakesedit6827

Ай бұрын

I wonder too, a few other plates were blurred too tho ?

@tiffanyk2743

Ай бұрын

true they aren't, but there's a chance people might spam report that psycho and then this video might be taken down

@archiebailey060

Ай бұрын

if this video reaches a wide audience i dont think OP would like to be held liable for some dickhead to take physical action

@davem9204

Ай бұрын

@@tiffanyk2743 The number plate only identifies the car on the day of the video. It doesn't identify the driver, which could change any time after the video, as well as the owner. You wouldn't want some innocent person getting blamed for someone else's driving in a particular car. Not to mention cloned number plates these days!

In The Czech Republic, we sometimes have a lane for slow-moving vehicles on steep inclines of the motorway (only sections with 3 lanes, and rare to come across). It is only an "additional lane" so you're not required to use it. But from my experience, people are just confused about the purpose it has and rarely use it.

Over here this is normal, because the (right hand country) right side often exits the motorway, and the left lane often exits the motorway on the other side or turns around (and also you can't legally hog it outside of intense traffic), so the middle lane is for going straight for a long time

4:53 why are people doing 4 lane changes in one cutting people off, why?

@contactjd

Ай бұрын

Because they're idiots

@rufusgreenleaf2466

Ай бұрын

Because people are idiots

@KindredBrujah

Ай бұрын

I quite enjoy marking people for pretend driving tests. Most fail. Tail lights are a dead giveaway. In this case, they made the white car in the fourth lane brake. Fail. Often the more aggressive drivers don't leave enough space between them and the car in front, so they need to be on the brakes constantly for any change in speed of the car ahead. Fail. Unless I'm confronted by someone like that red car driver, I generally don't put my brakes on at all on a dual carriageway in steady traffic. It should be (and is most of the time) easily possible to just engine brake to accommodate speed changes by those ahead.

@Richard_Turner

13 күн бұрын

​@KindredBrujah trouble is a lot of modern cars, mine included will apply the brakes automatically to maintain a gap when they do the lights come on, I'm not talking anchors on its so slight you don't feel it but if the car is auto braking it does by law apply the lights. Alternatively just move out of the faster cars way and let them go 🙅

I think the fast lane if they had one should be the farthest out & keep the middle lane as an overtaking lane. As if its between the slow lane & overtaking lane it doesn't really help anyone & is just what we have now change it around & you can fix this with a middle lane.

@rutukedarbhagwat1746

Ай бұрын

This is very logical

@cillianennis9921

Ай бұрын

@@rutukedarbhagwat1746 should also add the part about it making lorries not be able to overtake as they'd have to pass through a faster lane than they can go to overtake another lorry.

@goaway9977

Ай бұрын

The "fast lane" is really just for people who can go at or close to the speed limit. You should never be going faster than the speed limit. The problem with making the fast lane the one furthest to the right is that a car travelling 70mph who wants to overtake a car going 69mph now has to move into the centre lane to overtake i.e. perform an undertake which is dangerous. It makes the most sense to give everyone a lane to their right (or left in the US) to overtake in rather than have a shared overtaking lane in the middle that could have cars at wildly different speeds trying to merge into to overtake at the same time.

@cillianennis9921

Ай бұрын

@@goaway9977 Your arguement makes sense until you apply the same idea to overtaking now from the outermost lane where you have to go through the faster cars lane & then to the end lane to overtake somebody which leads to it being more dangerous for slower vehicles. Anyway if your in the fast lane you likely aren't really going to be overtaking people as often as the regular lane.

@goaway9977

Ай бұрын

@cillianennis9921 Ah I see what you're saying. I think in most people's conception if you are using the slow lane and need to overtake then you are more than welcome to use the fast lane to over take so long as you go back to the slow lane once you are done. No need to move all the way over to the overtake lane. Cars travelling in the in the fast lane can then either slow down and wait for you to finish the overtake or they can move into the overtake lane to get around you. Yes it's a bit annoying for the car in the fast lane to have to go around and also the car in the slow lane might have to wait a bit for a gap in traffic before they can perform their overtake, but ultimately it is much safer than having a shared overtake lane in the middle where slow cars trying to overtake even slower cars and fast cars trying to overtake other fast cars are both entering the lane from different directions.

Brilliant video! I have an issue with the tramlining in lane one. I've got an X5 with (wait for it) 275 front & 315 rear tyres... absolutely ridiculous! It tramlines like a m/f My previous X5 had 255/285 combo, no problem even though it's still mega-wide. And we're talking about 3.0 diesel SUVs here Why so wide? My V10 M6 has 255/285, and that's a 500 bhp 200+ mph missile Even the bride's 120d has 225/245's I remember my 3.0S Capri, 175's all round (2.8 injections had 'massive' 205's...!) Ever likely nobody wants to use lane one

Middle lane hogging is certainly one of my pet hates, yes (that and not allowing a bit enough gap to the vehicle in front). That said, in heavier traffic situations I can understand why people do it, for some of the reasons you mentioned. Where I feel it totally unforgivable is when the road is quiet. On the M74 in southern Scotland, just north of the border, that is a beautiful and scenic stretch of motorway, but one upon which I often see cars cruising along in the centre lane with not another vehicle anywhere near them. I usually execute a maneuver I call 'sarcastic overtaking', where I perform a textbook sequence of indicating, moving from 1>2, indicating again, 2>3, then passing them, then the reverse sequence back into lane 1. About half the time this will shame them into following me into lane 1.

@RobertIreland-dk3lr

23 күн бұрын

I think I've seen you do that manoeuvre as I enter the m74 after cruising the middle lane all of the M6. It doesn't phase me at all. You're a tit.

It's the lighter vehicle drivers that do 52.731 mph that cause problems, particularly to us HGV drivers trying to make progress. I see it all the time.

@malphadour

27 күн бұрын

I personally dislike the ones ding 52.732 mph.

In Germany these people are called "Mittelspurschleicher" (middle lane creeper)

I remember the late John Peel complaining about middle lane hoggers and describing his practice of "sarcastic overtaking" where he would be in the first lane and come across a slower hogger (often wearing a hat he noticed) in the middle lane - so, he would match the speed having come as close as was safe to then indicate, pull behind, indicate again then pull into the third lane, accelerate then slow down to match the speed again, indicate, pull in front, then indicate and return to the first lane then resume normal speed. I once came across such a middle lane hogger wearing a Trilby hat I noticed. The motorway was empty enough for me to employ a modified version of the "sarcastic overtaking" manoeuvre whereby having completed the overtake, instead of resuming normal speed, instead decelerate and let the hogger overtake you, whereupon you can delight in "sarcastically overtaking" all over again. I did this, encircling him three times in all. He didn't take a blind bit of notice and stayed in the middle lane - probably puffing away on his pipe.

@j.wellens5660

Ай бұрын

or these days not puffing on his pipe but gloating on his Tesla driving abilities....

Great video!

You just gave me 6 valid reasons to Hog the middle lane 😂

That wasn't safe! (Car nearly has collision with Tesla)

Back in the 1980's, my girlfriend had a really good driving test. It was at the end questions, when the examiner asked her, what is the right lane on a motorway used for? She replied 'going fast'. He gave her a little time to think, she got there! a first time pass. 🙂

Another reason I've thought about is having a larger gap in front of you. If the carriageway is fairly empty i.e. the overtaking lanes are not full, you'll end up with a larger gap or no car in front of you at all if you drove in the middle lane as opposed to behind a car doing the same speed as you in the main driving (left) lane. As a result if suddenly the other car brakes, you won't be affected. I would say that only makes sense on a carriageway with at least 3 lanes (so it is middle lane hogging), as other faster drivers can still overtake.

Biggest reason is the smart motorways. People are scared of coming up to a stopped vehicle round a corner, so they avoid lane 1. Thanks smart motorways!

@tom-jj5em

Ай бұрын

they should pay more attention then. its not like motorways have blind corners

@as37g10

Ай бұрын

@@tom-jj5em I don't disagree, but when you're going 70mph, if someone is overtaking you, your only options may be to stop behind the vehicle ( incredibly dangerous and little chance of ever rejoining), or quickly merging across (not always easy, especially when there is a hazard ahead and if you aren't a confident driver). In this case these drivers just join straight in lane 2, so that way there shouldn't be stopped vehicles in the lane. Not saying I agree with them (I don't), but I understand why nervous drivers would be scared of broken down vehicles.

@Alucard-gt1zf

Ай бұрын

​@tom-jj5em it's not like motorways should have cars driving in the spare lane and yet here we are

@paultasker7788

10 күн бұрын

Never thought of that but yeah from what I've seen on smart motorways and their broken systems, how long it takes to put that red X up on the gantry driving in lane 2 instead of 1 could save someone's life. A. Frightening thought.

@boabm6522

Күн бұрын

I broke down in lane 3 on M6, not a nice 30mins warning traffic before lane got closed, engine suddenly cut when overtaking and nobody slowed to allow me left.

The amount of undertakers & lane hoggers in this video is crazy. I understand an undertaker if someone is lane hogging & going under the limit but otherwise it’s just stupid

@mikehunter2844

Ай бұрын

It's quite legal to undertake.

@chadkensington5042

Ай бұрын

@@mikehunter2844 I know I’ve done it plenty myself. Mostly on the motorway as I find dual carriageways to have almost no lane hoggers I’m just simply stating that in this video the undertakers seem to be poor drivers as they’re undertaking cars going the speed limit rather

If you drive on the Continent where there is left-hand drive, you'll note that lane hogging is almost non-existing. On the opposite, many drivers don't preposition themselves for the exit in time. But HGVs (called TIRs in Europe) also take 5+ minutes for overtaking (elephant races).

@froggiewrench1

29 күн бұрын

Oh so true.

Good to know you read the comments.😮

My husband hates middle lane hogging. So I monitored his driving over about 80 miles on the motorway. 2% inside lane, 3%middle lane, 95% outside lane. Yep - a bloke's logic !

@Lucas-li6ss

Ай бұрын

So he is not very often in the middle lane :D

@rufusgreenleaf2466

Ай бұрын

Does he drive a German car by any chance?

@andrearoyd2942

Ай бұрын

@@rufusgreenleaf2466 rofl .... yes, you have obviously met him !!

@rufusgreenleaf2466

Ай бұрын

@@andrearoyd2942 Have i? 😳

@andrearoyd2942

Ай бұрын

@@rufusgreenleaf2466 Yep he is the self-appointed road etiquette police - now that really does my head in!

In my opinion, there is no such thing as lane hogging. I prefer the term "poor situational awareness" The difference I'm trying to highlight is that, if you are in lane 2 and there's a car 10, 20 or even 30 seconds ahead which you anticipate the need to overtake, it depends on the context as to if you should move over: If there is a line of cars behind you and you are doing 65, you should absolutely move over If it is a quiet duel carriageway and there is nothing waiting behind you, then fine, stay in that lane. There's a lot in between and I think lane hogging is only really an issue when other people are affected, but at the end of the day, each case is different. It would be nice if more folks could look in their rear view mirrors every now and again and drive accordingly

In my country there is no keep left rule so the slow lane ends up having cars going faster. It dose make sense because the left lane often become exit-only's and if your not paying attention you can accidently take the exit if you live in the left lane. very few people pay attention well driving as well.

You’re spot on!