This was a GREAT video. Never knew what the difference was I just had some leftover from toolboxes I bought at pawn shops. Now I’m looking to get a complete set from Ace on sale. I looked up the difference between 6 & 12 point socket, your video popped up! Appreciate the very informative information about sockets. I can pick out what I need for my DIY projects.

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you I'm really glad you enjoyed and found it helpful.

For fasteners that are 6 point with today's high tooth count ratchets, there's almost no reason to not use 6 point sockets. The 12 point sockets were awesome when you only had 36 teeth on your ratchet and a tight area. I still have a bunch of 12 point sockets but try not to use them unless I have to.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

threefortyduster completely agree and same here 👍🏻

@hobbs3424

3 жыл бұрын

yeah dude,i'm also thinking if a ratchet has a low swing arc/high tooth it will be weaker but with today's technology and steel,who knows.

@sasquatchrosefarts

10 ай бұрын

Even with low tooth counts...... Why is everyone in such a hurry? Grab it and twist it if it doesn't go on. What percent of fasteners are at the angle that is bad for six point in a tight space? One percent of bolts twisted by a mechanic.

@TonyTheTechnician

10 ай бұрын

I'm guessing you don't work on many vehicles. Not everything is wide open to do that. In fact most fasteners are not that easy to access. If all your doing is changing wheels then ya go ahead. But most times if it's accessible then I'm using an impact and if it's not I'm using a ratchet

thanks for your proffesional opinion bro you helped me decide, also it feels like better fit with 6p

Great description of the difference between the two types of sockets. I'm going to get a couple of sets now and hold back on using vice grips for everything...lol

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha thank you 👍

This is very informative! I didn't know what the purpose is of those 12 point sockets. I wish I would have known this information sooner for some of those hard to reach spots. Thanks!

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed 👍👍👍

Very Informative... Thank You!

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

7Westwood thank you!! 👍🏻

Good video thanks! Just bought a shallow 12 point set for my damn ARP bolts

exactly what I needed to know! Thank you!

@TonyTheTechnician

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed 👍

great video brother keep up the good work

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

danoh's toolbox thank you!!! 👍🏻

Great video! You really explained the difference very well. My personal favorite has always been six point. I just ordered the Tekton six point 3/8 drive socket set today.

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Very nice. Thank you. I hope you enjoy

@hobbs3424

3 жыл бұрын

yeah true, this was a no bullshit....straight to the point vid.

@westhouse4641

3 жыл бұрын

I was considering purchase of the tekton 6 point sockets. Whats your opinion of them so far?

@adriannurse1502

3 жыл бұрын

@@westhouse4641 I really love them. I would highly recommend them.

Great job Tony. I think you covered all the high notes. I’m a 6 point guy by nature but 12’s have their purpose. If I can use a 6 then that’s what I am going for. Like you said 12’s are good for tight spots but I’ve also had a lot of 6 point bolts rounded with them

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Shane yes very true. Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Been watching lots of your vids

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!

You tackled the exact questions that I had

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Really glad the video helped. Thanks for watching

There are also Spline Drive sockets that are not compatible with both metric and SAE, but rather the tolerances are made for specific sizes just like normal sockets. Also there is such thing as a spline drive fastener which is best serviced by spline drive sockets. As for torque I use exclusively 12pt at work because in aviation the hardware is about 50/50 6pt to 12pt. I have put over 300 ft lbs on a 6pt bolt with a 12pt socket (1-7/16") with no problem. As long as the hardware is clean and corrosion free it is no problem at all. Of course the hardware in helicopters is kept a lot cleaner than in cars though.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

David Anderson very true I have some size specific spline drive as well. And that’s great to hear they handle the torque and yes very true I’m sure it is much cleaner 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Good video Tony. Both have their place but I use 6 point most of the time.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Starman 2112 thank you 👍🏻

Great information!

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Great topic Tony, im a big fan of 12 point sockets they really are old school. I remember when side terminal batteries first came out GM used 12 point 5/16 fasteners. My job had a good size chipper that used 1/2 inch bolts with a 1/2 inch 12 point head to change the blades. Yeah they can wear out. I found i can break a 6 point socket quicker than i can wear out a 12 point but i would say smaller sizes 6 point fit n work better. So i have sets of both. And i will ad that if someone has used vicegrips or a pipe wrench its can be hard to get a 6 point socket on said nut or bolt especially larger sizes. Im looking for a 1/4 inch drive 12 point metric socket set i have two sae sets. Thanks Tony.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Martin Schaffmeir very nice. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I know what you mean about getting the socket on in tighter spots. Also I know kobalt and gearwrench and a few others have 1/4 drive 12 pt socket sets. But it depends on if you want a full set with a ratchet or if your just looking for a rail of sockets. But I suppose both have both sets.

awesome vid thanks

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Thanks for the video Tony. Both have there place in a tool box.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

If it's not broken fix it thank you 👍🏻

I have 12pt sockets and they strip bolts easy thanks for the tip going for 6point now

very nice video & explaining the 6pt vs 12pt sockets. good job. you should get into teaching👌

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you I appreciate it 👍

Great video Tony. I am a somewhat advanced diy guy and I detest 12 point sockets. The only time I have ever came across a 12 point bolt was on a big block chevy connecting rod. I you have ever done any serious wrenching then you know how easy it is to round off a 6 point fastener with a 12 point socket. Of course you should use a 12 point socket on a 12 point fastener but most automotive fasteners are 6 point. Most of the mechanics too sets available in the box stores are LOADED with 12 point sockets. This is why I chose Gearwrench for my socket sets, all 6 points and way less chance of rounding off a fastener.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Tyrone Shaw I completely agree with you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts

Good point out!

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

It helps a lot! Thanks!

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks glad you enjoyed

@KcJigs

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyTheTechnician yeah! It's very informative 😊👏 from the Philippines 👌

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍 thanks

Great video thanks brother. I don't really have many 12 points. 95 percent are 6 points for a reason. Just like I don't have to many sockets that aren't impact. I have some 3/8 & 1/4 chrome mostly 6 point. Two different professions I couldn't see buying many chrome just have those few that you need a thinner wall socket. Keep up the great work see you in the next video thanks again brother. I think you did great on the video

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Scott Pearson TOOLS &MORE very true and I can completely see where you are coming from. Great point thanks for sharing 👍🏻

There are 12 point impact sockets out there.I have a few,one is a 12 point 30mm deepwell in 1/2 drive for Toyota Axle nuts which are a 12 point.Another is a 12 point 12mm for Ford driveshaft bolts.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Walter Frederick ya I have 12 point impact sockets as well. I was just saying they aren’t as common.

Thank you for sharing.... I'm finally getting it!! Lol

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Haha 👍 thanks for watching

Love the jegs mat. I live a mile from the headquarters

I keep 12 point socket to serve as a specially tool because I learned the hard way when I was younger I rounded off head bolts using 6 point on 12 point bolts. lol Often times drive shaft bolts are 12 point aswell.

Whenever feasible I use 6pt sockets and wrenches. Ratcheting wrenches have made this more workable. Obviously on non ratcheting combination wrenches this can be an issue if space is an issue. But if I have to break a fastener loose, 6pt whenever possible. As a backyard guy though, I rarely encounter 12pt with fasteners. Recently I only had a deep 12pt 14mm and ended up stripping the fastener with the help of an 18” 3/8 drive ratchet. Both of those things have since been resolved.

I actually needed an 11 metric 12 point socket today to remove an old antenna mast off the side of my barn. Never thought that 11 would ever be used.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Trucker88 haha ya I needed an 11 today as well. Not a twelve point but an 11 to remove my trans cooler fan

@hobbs3424

3 жыл бұрын

could always use a 7/16 socket which is 11.11 mill :)

I only use a 12 point when dealing with a rare 12 point fastener, such as the front brake caliper bolt on a Harley. Oddly enough, the rear uses a hex bolt - at least on my 2013.

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Haha ya that is wierd and I agree. I do the same thing most of the time

Worn out sockets are great for hammering onto stripped bolt heads to try to get them to turn or welding the old socket to a stripped bolt.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

ChevyBlazerBoy very true. Great point! Thanks for sharing that info! 👍🏻

Thanks T

@TonyTheTechnician

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

thanks for the info. with 72 teeth ratchets being readily available, 6 point sockets make even more sense.

Would like to see a comparison of the boxo vs gearwrench socket sets if you get a chance.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

FCwilliamsUSN ya I could do that! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Harley-Davidson uses twelve point bolts at various points on their motorcycles. They advise to have both shallow and deep sockets for things like the brake calipers.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

GWC 1584 very nice to know. Thanks for sharing

I have run into a few oem 12 points. Jeep jk brake caliper bolts for example are 12 point

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

David McNaughton ya I have ran across many keeps with 12 pt.

I knew there was a reason my socket assortment had one old craftsman 1/2 drive 12 pt. short set (had it since I was a teen) and my dozen or so other socket sets are 6 pt. ...... chrome and Impact , long, med. short. Its because you no longer need the 12pts. ! OK, I sapose lightning could strike and one day you may need one, but if you do, you probably already know of that specific fastener. (not to be confused with spline drive). Thank you for the video.

@samplautz5586

3 жыл бұрын

I just bought a Craftsman 135 piece set last month, July 2020. They still have all of the 1/2 inch sockets as 12 point

Detroit diesel just loves them 12 point fasteners though

It's a minor point, but 12-point sockets come in handy on square head bolts - which you're not likely to find on a car, but if you're working on gates, fences, barn door hinges etc, they're pretty common.

@TonyTheTechnician

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

@brentfults7872

Жыл бұрын

Differential plugs on a lot of semi’s too!

@drengskap

Жыл бұрын

@@brentfults7872 OK, that's outside of my range of expertise!

I use 12 point impact on truck drive lines, Detroit 60 series starters

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Armstrong very nice. Ya I have 12 point impact as well

I curse Jeep for use 12 point bolts on their wheel hubs. The only time I use 12 point sockets anymore. That said 12 point wrenches are kind of handy.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Jeeping.Net haha ya. And ya very true. I prefer wrenches being 12 point

@Volksoner619

3 жыл бұрын

And that ONE bolt on the jeep transfer case.

6 point all day long. 12 points have their benefits and use, but I'll try to avoid them as much as possible.

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

Really good vid dude. My personal thoughts on 6 v12 i've never had issues with 6 or 12 point sockets.......never really thought about it, uhmm the 6 point advantages i'd have to agree with makes sense. I have multiple socket sets, multiple different brands it's a bit like a woman has to have 10 handbags, a man has to have 10 sockets sets lol. I find generally that if you buy high quality tools/sockets, they'll be fine for the task.

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you haha ya I can agree with that as well 😂👍

@hobbs3424

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyTheTechnician mate,there are so many hand tools out there...like i keep buying and buying but where does it end?

The only time I have ever needed and and used a 12 point socket is where I need clearance. The thinner wall on the socket helps to get into tight places. My son had a BMW and couldn't get a 10mm 6 point socket into the cover to remove the nuts. A 12 point slipped right in. Working on my KIA Soul to replace AC motor needed to remove gas pedal. Regular 6 point 12mm socket would not fit on one nut. Not enough clearance. 12 point slipped right on in.

@painkiller8079

2 жыл бұрын

May be that is E-Socket.

It's a question that's accounted for a many sleepless night for me, so now I use an adjustable wrench for everything. Sure I may have to take out half the engine bay to get to something simple but the stress of decision making is completely gone.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

DOYLECLEVERLOBE1 lmao everything in life just got easier. No decisions to make lol 👍🏻😂

@hobbs3424

3 жыл бұрын

so true mate, lol... i have so many different tools that all do the same thing,i always go back to my shifter spanner...it's unbeatable!!

@ED-es2qv

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you have one for metric and one for standard.

6 point most of the time. Round several fastener with 12 point, but sometimes the 12 point can handle slightly round bolt which is the 6 point can not. Weird enough

My 6point socket had a hard time trying to remove a badly stuck 6point bolt. It kept slipping off and was slightly rounding off the bolt head each time it slipped off. which got me worried. The bolt in question had a thin bolt head thickness abt 2/3mm which made it hard to keep the socket on. So I think the 12 point and in particular a 12point wrench would have been perfect to break loose the stuck bolt. btw manual transmission drain bolt in Mitsubishi. So I think the 12point has its strength in breaking loose such difficult bolts. * Finally I had to use a torch before it broke loose.

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Ya I have came across that issue as well. Sometimes you can even tap the twelve point on the fastener and get it to bite really well. 👍

6 most of the time 12 are great for removing locking wheel nuts

I've got a good set of chrome sockets in both 6 and 12 point, but I don't own any impact sockets yet. I'm looking to buy some impacts- should I get the 6 points? My thinking is that most 12-point fasteners I see will be in places that I wouldn't want to hammer on it too hard with an impact wrench. If nothing else, a breaker bar should get things moving. Or should I just get the 12-point set and be done with it? On thing I thought about doing is getting deep 6 points and shallow 12 points that way I have both deep and shallow and 6 and 12. Thoughts?

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

I think either way is fine and it's good to know your thinking about these things. That's very important. I think 6 point would be just fine if your ok with doing a few 12 points with chrome. Unless you think you will run into alot of 12 point fasteners other then that I think you would be ok with just 6 point impact and worst case scenario you end up just getting a cheap 12 point impact later if need be. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍

I'm in heavy towing we use 12 points for the drive line other then that it's almost always a 6

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Good to know. Thanks for sharing

All the axles I've been getting lately comķe with 12 pt fasteners...

Why are the box end of wrenches mostly 12 point, but we use those in some pretty high torque applications?

@TonyTheTechnician

Жыл бұрын

It is so when working in confined spaces you can get the wrench on the fastener easier. It's a pain working with 6 point wrenches in a tight space trying to get it on the fastener. 12 point can still handle a lot of torque. Unless you're constantly putting extension bars on your wrenches, then in most cases, you don't have to worry.

I'll go with 6 points, although now I need to figure out if I need metric or standard because to buy both in deep & standard by Tekton is gonna be a few $100 lol.

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

You can always look into the sets from them they are great also for both 1/4 and 3/8 metric and saw and shallow and deep sockets is like 125. Then for 1/2 you could just do impact sockets. Plus the 125 you spend on the other 2 sets. Gets you money off towards your impact sockets.

12pt makes more sense with wrenches than sockets (because you only have to be able to rotate them half as much to undo the fastner), but even then, provided the fastner's not seized or in poor condition. I've seen torque tests with large fastners where both the 6pt & the 12pt snap the bolt before rounding it, but I've also seen torque tests with partially rounded smaller fastners where the 6pts performed better. If the chamfer is a little smaller on the 12pt near the corners, that would definately be a bonus when it comes to shallow head bolts, but I'm not sure it is.

12 point is great to bang on stuck/rounded/stripped lugs, nuts, bolts, and break loose or break off

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Manuel Salvatierra haha very true

@jacobyu5050

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I have the same experience.

HF sells 12 point impact sockets. I purchased them by mistake and instead of returning them I just decided to keep them and buy the 6 point impacts as well. And about a year later that decision payed of when I had a 12 point bolt I had to impact off.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Trucker88 yes indeed. It’s always nice having a set. I also have a couple sets of 13 impact sockets as well 👍🏻

what about the wall thickness on socket? i can,t reach it in cyilinder on my chainsaw(Partner r35), which is hexagon bolt , and socket has to thick wall. really need help and I don,t wanna order socket set and have the same problem just because stupid design

I'm trying to torque my 2004 Kia Optima lug nuts down, not sure exact number but it's less than 100 pounds. They are 6 point bolts but I only have a 12 point socket for the size. Is that ok?

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Ya that will be fine as long as you get them torqued. That's all that matters 👍

What is your opinion on some of the cheaper chinese-made sockets a from Craftsman or husky from home Depot. Vs more expensive tool truck brands? In my line of work I'm in and out of a lot of shops during the week and I'm seeing a lot of younger mechanics purchasing quite a few of us a husky or craftsman or kobalt and they're not having any issues at all being used quite frequently. It seems like Chinese steel is very strong and tool quality is very functional. Other than the chrome quality finish they seem to do quite well.

@megaeverything101

3 жыл бұрын

weird as it seems the china made craftsman has held up great not the wrenches

I like 6 point, I also only have impact sockets instead of chrome and impct... i just figured I could use impacts for everything lol

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

MadeInUSA Reviews very nice and ya I know a few people who have done the same 👍🏻

@drizler

5 жыл бұрын

You aren’t wrong. I use my drill driver for everything under half inch air gun size.

@madeinusareviews6234

5 жыл бұрын

Merlin Cat I started this by trying to save money and I actually have never really ran into a problem, for the most part it is a great benefit but yes I have some short chromes just in case

@craigd123

2 жыл бұрын

So you don't finish with a torque wrench?

Are 6 point better for impact sockets when using impact drivers? Also, as a non mechanic, but general DIYer and woodworker, is it better to have SAE or metric, regular or deep size sockets? thx

@clamboni9

2 жыл бұрын

Generally, with impact wrenches and drivers you want 6 points on a 6 point fastener. As far as what's better to have around the house and shop...it depends. Over time, you'll find that they'll all be useful at some point. Bang for the buck, one of those kits that has both deep and shallow, metric 8-18mm, and sae 1/4-3/4" will suit you well for the most part. Make sure they dont skip sizes. Then you can add to it when you don't have the size you need for a project.

What brand are those playing sockets you just showed us Tony

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Well I showed a few different brands in this video. Some being boxo tools, DeWalt, and a couple others

hey brother did i miss your viedo where you were gonna show us how to build the MSD spark plug wires and how to run them clean looking from the cap to the plugs ? or have you not done it yet ? just asking cause i was watching for it to come out brother but i never saw anything

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

michael penna no I have not done it yet. Sorry. Just got done moving into my new house so I have been packing and moving and unpacking and haven’t really been able to do anything to the camaro. Hopefully soon though.

@PHG_Viking_Wolf73

5 жыл бұрын

@@TonyTheTechnician awesome bro i just wanted to make sure i did not miss it is all ;) this was a cool video too and i thank you for it brother

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

michael penna thank you and I’m glad you enjoyed👍🏻

12 points engage every 30 degrees and 6 points engage every 60 degrees. Making it twice as easy to engage. I primarily use 6 point sockets but just like having metric and standard , short and deeps, I also keep 6 points and 12 points arranged separately. Very rarely do I require a 12 point (Peterbilt starter comes to mind) but they come in handy as just an extra socket. In the beginning you were talking about the sockets being rounded to ease getting it on the nut. Is that what they call chamfering ? I just heard that term used somewhere the other day.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Trucker88 thanks for sharing those degrees and ya I do the same. I have all just in case. And yes indeed. A chamfer is making small angle cuts to round and edge and a bevel is just and angled cut. Both very similar and both used on sockets. Sorry that’s the best I can explain it without using a picture lol. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻

@truckerpeterose

5 жыл бұрын

TonyTheTechnician I actually heard the term in your Boxo video. I changed my name from watching silently because now I actually comment lol

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Trucker88 hahaha I thought that was you. And yes indeed I did mention it in that video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

what would you say is least likely to strip a bolt? A flank drive snap on 12point socket or a regular off brand 6 point socket?

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Oh now that's a tricky one lol. I still have to go with the science though. As long as the 6 point isn't so cheap that it doesn't fit the fastener then the 6 point should be less likely to round a fastener then a 12 point just bc of the surface area covered on the fastener. Even though it is snap on and has a good fit. Unless it's a 12 fastener or a fastener hard to get to I wouldn't use a 12 point on a fastener that is so tight that it could possibly round it.

@adamsheikh1384

5 жыл бұрын

TonyTheTechnician i think the same. appreciate the quick reply, i watch a lot of your videos and enjoy it 👍🏼

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamsheikh1384 thank you. I really appreciate that. 👍👍👍

@adamsheikh1384

5 жыл бұрын

TonyTheTechnician no worries buddy, hope the hard work from recording, editing, content ideas & time spent to make these videos pays off

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamsheikh1384 it is to me. I enjoy it and like helping others. 👍

I'm surprised that you say up to 150ft/lbs, that's about 200Nm. That's a lot of torque, reassuring though as my main 3/8 set are 12 points and I worry about them lol. To be honest though, if I anticipate that much torque I use my 6 point 1/2 inch set.

Can you help me? Why can’t I find 6 point in 23mm thanks

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

23 mm is a very uncommon size and very close to 7/8 so not many are made. m.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200654048_200654048?cm_mmc=Google-LIA&Google_LIA&Hand%20Tools%20%3E%20Sockets&Klutch&&gclid=CjwKCAjw88v3BRBFEiwApwLevY6XPLJJ8_6DL42xGVMNW3HH_UeBRtjaKysY112SQOieMVD7anSrMBoCHiwQAvD_BwE

I bought a set of breeder wrenches and found out they are 12 point. Is there are good reason they made them 12?

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean bleeder wrenches? For like brake calipers. If so they are probably 12 for tight spots

i had a good laugh when my new set of metric impact 6 point sockets came in 8 mm to 19 mm set... why would you even use a 8 or 10 mm impact socket..one spin.. is eather broken and quite round.....i guess i will drill and tap a 13 mm thick steel plate and try it out,should be fun

With exception to the bolts that come on rod caps, I have no use for 12 point sockets. Those thangs are just dangerous when you're in a hurry. Round off bolts all day long. lol

Chris rudnik (ricer miata) says when he uses 12 points he strips out the bolt every time EVERY TIME

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Lol ya that happens when you use the wrong size socket. Maybe Chris should use a 10mm on a 10mm fastener and not at 11mm socket lol

what do i use for square bolts , do they sell square sockets? thanks

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Yes they do sell square sockets. Just not commonly seen. Also spline drive works for square bolts 👍

@clamboni9

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's square sockets, but a 12 point socket that's 1.5x the size of the square bolt will fit like it was made for it.

6pt pro. Works great on 6pt fasteners. 12pt pro. Works great on 12 pt fasteners and can be used for square fasteners. 6pt con does not work on 12pt fasteners. 12pt con. Strips 6pt fasteners.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Brown very good couldn’t agree more. 👍🏻

Where the heck did they ever get the idea of a hexagon shape section for bolts and nuts when, from my opinion (in terms of using the most out of the strength due to lower contact pressure) would've been a square section. Let's just think. My theory is that the contact surface on a square head bolt will be lower than for a hex type, hence the square type will ultimately have a much less tendency to have the corners slip under force.

@TonyTheTechnician

2 жыл бұрын

That is a good point and I completely understand your thought process on that. I believe it may have something to do with ease of access getting tools on thos fasteners easier from multiple different angles. And it became common practice to use 6 point to allow multiple different angles to get on the fastener while still allowing a decent amount of force to be able to be applied to the fastener. Where a square may be extremely difficult to get your tool on in certain situations. But that's just my thoughts. You bring up a good point though. 👍

@Maverickf22flyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyTheTechnician Exactly as you say I also think that they'got to the standard of hex due to overall ease of access and, like the 12 point sockets allow, give a wider range access angles, as a square may make it impossible for ease of access in many cases. But, on high torque stuff, those who make standards should've let square types to be used though.

@clamboni9

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, ease of access definitely comes into play, but the lower the amount of points, the larger the point to point diameter of the head of the bolt will be. I think it's more of a balance between getting the best contact area between tool and fastener, and keeping the head of the fastener reasonably small.

I don't need no fancy six or twelve point sockets and them seven hundred teeth ratchets. Robo-Grip pliers is all a man needs in his toolbox. MAybe, just maybe! If you absolutely need a fancy shmancy socket type deally, get yoself a GatorGrip! Good video Tony, thanks!

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Bruce L. Lmao those are the best tools ever mad 😂 most the time I just use my hand lol

Aviation I only use 12 point

Using 6 point for years..no problems

Ow I will have to get some spline but 6 are great but 12 are better rusted bolts

@haroldkleever8213

3 жыл бұрын

? Who make splines or do they all make them now

i stripped 3 lugs today using a 12 socket i wasn’t paying attention and they stripped

This morning, I ruined a 12pt 24mm when I tried to remove a strut-to-knuckle bolt with my breaker bar. The thing just split open loll

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Oh damn. That sounds like a bad morning.

@fenrislegacy

3 жыл бұрын

TonyTheTechnician 6pt sockets with breaker bars, lesson learned. Thumbs up.

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

@@fenrislegacy agreed 👍

How often do you actually come across 12 point fasteners? One should really ask themselves this question before buying any socket sets.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Paul Beach very true! 👍🏻

@nicholasbrown6481

5 жыл бұрын

You should have both because you will run into a 12 pt fastener one day

Always use the correct socket for the fastener. If it's a 6 point bolt use a 6 point socket. This matters a whole lot on older rusty vehicles. If its low torque and without rust anything would work fine.

I hammer a 12t over a bolt thats rounded.

6 points for me. I think all my sockets are 6 points.

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

👍

I’ve always wondered why they use 12pt fasteners on a drive shaft. Does not make sense.

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

Ya it's a good question I see it alot also

@markcleveland6397

3 жыл бұрын

Because it gives 12 points of contact to spread the torque.

@clamboni9

2 жыл бұрын

@@markcleveland6397 I think this is exactly what you meant, but more contact area between tool and fastener.

looks like i am first

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

danoh's toolbox thank you 👍🏻

@truckerpeterose

5 жыл бұрын

danoh's toolbox Only because my wife yelled at me to walk my dog mid video. 🤨

@danohstoolbox

5 жыл бұрын

LoL

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

Trucker88 lmao 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I don’t hardly have any 12 point sockets I think I have 11 altogether every other socket I have is 6 point.

What the hell would anyone want a 12 point impact but for spicealaty jobs.

@TonyTheTechnician

5 жыл бұрын

madbear3512 12 point impact is also good for rusted fasteners or fasteners that have corrosion or rust build up on them

@madbear3512

5 жыл бұрын

@@TonyTheTechnician Oh I didn't think of that

I have hundreds of sockets and only one of them is 12 point. 😂

Most of you do not have a clue. 6 point and 12 point sockets have there place depending on the type of bolt head. You can get the most torque using a deep 6 sided socket on a 6 sided bolt(Best for removing 6 sided bolts. 6 Sided shallow sockets are for low clearance applications. 12 Sided socket on a 12 sided bolt head is for speed applications in a tight space. You can fit a 12 sided socket or spanner in place using less rotation required to move bolt head. You DO NOT use 6 sided socket on a 12 sided bolt head and vice a versa like most numbnuts who talk about rounding off here do!!

Shaun of the Dead!

@TonyTheTechnician

3 жыл бұрын

Great movie lol it was one of my favorite roles. Lol simon pegg. I get that alot 😂👍

Spline drove sucks ass for high torque nuts and bolts bcuz the contact pints are smaller so you have a higher chance of stripping the nut.

@TommTooTone

3 жыл бұрын

NVM you knew before me 😂

All fasteners should be 6 point. I do not know why 12 point fasteners exist. You cannot easily get them off with an adjustable wrench or pliers, and you cannot use 6 point sockets on them. It seems to be all negatives, so why does anybody do that? I am a simple man, I just want to have one set of Metric and one set of SAE. I do not want to have to buy two additional sets because some asshole decided that 12 point fasteners look cool. If good sockets were cheap, I would not care, but they are not, they are fucking expensive.

New school mechanics think they have to use 6 point sockets. This is pure tool sales marketing. On normal automotive fasteners it makes zero difference if you use 6 or 12 if you own high quality made in USA tools. Different story for Chinese crap.

But has anyone really proved that 12 point can’t take high torque and will round fasteners? Let’s prove it and not just be subjective.

@TonyTheTechnician

4 жыл бұрын

It is proven if you take two sockets that are the same brand quality and make. One 12 and one 6 the 6 is alot less likely to round a 6 point fastener then a 12 bc of more surface area making contact that's not subjective that's just the truth to it

@diemman70

4 жыл бұрын

TonyTheTechnician Let’s see it done on video with two of the same brand sockets preferably something new from both the USA and say China and Taiwan.