Rest in Peace Tom Seaver and Lou Brock. Great to see this game. I'm 60. I miss this baseball.

I was a diehard Seaver fan in Chicago. For some odd reason, I was messing with the AM radio on that humid Friday night and I picked up the Reds radio broadcast and got to listen to the end of Seaver's only no-hitter. In those primitive primordial media days, I felt quite fortunate to have stumbled upon a long overdue moment in Tom Terrific's stellar career!

@TuberOnTheLoose

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the 1970's I used to be able to pick up the Reds games on WLW with an old AM radio all the way down in Charleston, SC,

Marty and Joe with the call... I was listening this night in our kitchen, on the old Motorola box radio, and my Dad was plowing one of our fields, so I would run out and give him updates. When it got to the ninth, I went out to the field with my Panasonic transistor radio and we listened together. Marty, Joe, and my Dad. Warm memories. Thanks, David.

@delelkin3348

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@irock4u222

3 жыл бұрын

@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C i would rather watch paint dry than soccer seriously

@josephziembroski276

3 жыл бұрын

The old days.....transistor radios.....you had to hear it live or not at alll.

@stevenmetzendorf7063

3 жыл бұрын

In case you read this, I'm moved to tears by your wonderful memories... I saw #41 pitch many times in N.Y. & a it took a chunk out of me upon hearing of his passing.

Really refreshing to see these retro players again, this is my comfort zone. Classic baseball.

@kennethbrady

5 жыл бұрын

yeah, me too. i listened to almost every single Phils game on the radio from '75 - '80. great times.

@maxvincecarter15

5 жыл бұрын

Back when America was America.

@retiredusvet4396

4 жыл бұрын

Classic Baseball, for certain! Most of the Big Red Machine, led by Sparky Anderson and Pete Rose, were still there. Tom Terrific - God bless him and his Family! Rose and Anderson were gone in November and December, and the Reds dropped off for years after their 1979 Western Division title.

@retiredusvet4396

4 жыл бұрын

@MANCHESTER UNITED Yeah, nothing like seeing, snoozing through soccer players kicking the ball back and forth during a stirring 0-0 tie. You can have it!

@artboston4787

3 жыл бұрын

@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C People have been saying things like that for many years now and it still hasn't happened. Soccer is still small potatoes compared to the "real" big sports. Soccer is small time in Canada also. Pass.

I love watching these classics. Tom Seaver is one of the greatest pitchers ever.

Love how Seaver cracked smiled after he threw that high fastball to Hendricks! He knew he was gonna do it at that point! What a marvelous pitcher!

@Geotubest

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too. He was like, "I know I'm going to get him."

@blakkat4126

2 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that Ted Simmons in the on-deck circle was joking with Tom. Not sure what was said though.

@josephzaza334

5 ай бұрын

I thought maybe he knew he overthrew it going for the K and laughed at himself.

Read of the passing of Tom Seaver. I couldn’t help myself; I watched the entire game today. Got to see Pete Rose add a couple of RBIs. I even cheered out loud at the end. Once upon a time, when baseball was still baseball …

@SpiritOf1976

3 жыл бұрын

Yes...when it was still baseball.

@rickmontgomery3037

3 жыл бұрын

@@SpiritOf1976 Exactly.

@rickmontgomery3037

3 жыл бұрын

Well said...

@GratefulInRecovery

3 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@kevinmichael9482

3 жыл бұрын

The 1970s was the last great era of Magor League Baseball. I still love the game, but, the modern game of baseball lacks the all quality and production of the past, imo. R.I.P. Tom Seaver.

Great to see this. I loved Tom Seaver. It was interesting to see the ninth inning battle between Seaver and Lou Brock. Two legends battling it out. RIP to the both of them.

Feel very fortunate to have been a kid when the great Tom Seaver played for The NY Mets, it was a thrill to watch this great pitcher compete against the great hitters of his era , it was must watch tv .

@Victoria-ni3tf

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

God Bless Tom Seaver, a Gold standard for pitchers. Hall of Fame Person in Skills & personality & as a teammate. How I loved watching him pitch & how he made the Mets beloved Champions.

Such a fluid motion. So calm on the mound.. Even when he was taking his time the game didn't seem slow. An artist at work..

Now that Seaver and Brock have passed away, that makes this video more valuable. RIP Tom and Lou.

It's cool how many legends you can see in one game from this era

Vale Tom Terrific! Rest easy and thank you for all you did to make baseball extra special.

It’s very, very odd to see Tom Seaver in a Reds uniform. Let’s face it, Tom Seaver will always be a New York Met. Tom was a fast worker. When he got the ball, he fired. I like that.

@jonklein7130

Жыл бұрын

Very true but we loved him in Cincinnati

@SirWinstonBeech

4 ай бұрын

@@jonklein7130 Sparky always wanted Seaver, finally got him thanks to an odious NY GM that had Tom demanding to be traded. Fascinating that Blowie Koon vetoed Vida Blue coming to the Reds as it would make them "too strong" yet they had lost Gullett to free agency and finished second in 77. And of course he let the Skankees have whoever they wanted.

Tom was a tremendous pitcher! Beautiful pitching form and powerful. His 61 shutouts was a tremendous tribute to his greatness

@nathanhale5455

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! If you watch Tom Seaver closely as he pitches, he would stretch out his right leg so far as he released his pitch, he actually touched the ground with his right knee! That's how you could tell if Tom Terrific was having a great game, he had dirt stains on his knee after a few innings. When it was announced that the Reds had traded for this future Hall-of-Famer & me being a lifelong teenage fanatic for the Reds, I almost went into shock because, although Tom was a lifelong Met, everyone loved him. He was a once in a lifetime, special man and that happened to be one of the greatest pitchers that ever lived. RIP Tom Terrific! ⚾️

@terrondt

5 ай бұрын

This was The last season he struck out over 200 batters. He was 3rd in the NL that 1978 year with 226.

The best. Memories of how he made me feel as a fan kept me young. I came of age the day he died. Seaver, Rose, Morgan, Brock, Simmons. Six Hall of Famers in this game. I was lucky to have grown up when I did.

A bit shocking to remember a time when pitchers delivered the ball within 10 seconds of a batter stepping into the box. Also, the batters pretty much stayed in the box.

Rest in peace Franchise.

My dad and I were at the game! High above the Cardinals dugout. What a great memory! After the game Seaver told Nuxall on the "star of the game show" that he didn't have his best stuff so he used his sinking fastball to induce ground balls.

Tom Terrific is from my hometown of Fresno, California. I hope he's able to be taken care of and rest in this time of his life. Dementia is a terrible disease, but the good thing is, we as fans all remember who Mr. Seaver was.

Seaver was a classy person and a Great pitcher, best in Mets history.

@pistongreg

3 жыл бұрын

No the very best Mets pitcher

Rest easy in retirement old friend. Youve given me more than I ever needed and more than youll ever know. I am so sorry.

I was there that night in the green seats with my dad. A cherished life memory. RIP Tom and thanks for the memories. Amazing we can watch the whole game with Marty and Joe 42 years later.

Remembering Tom Terrific (1944-2020). Mr. Seaver died tonight at age 75 - A Hall of Fame legend.

@jamesmatthew3681

3 жыл бұрын

1:20 And Lou Brock is also gone as well.

@retiredusvet4396

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmatthew3681 Yes. Very sad.

@jamesmatthew3681

3 жыл бұрын

@@retiredusvet4396 Indeed, it is.

@marcschneider4845

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmatthew3681 Seaver was 11 years older than me. Guys I grew up watching are dying off. Sigh!

@tonydio666

3 жыл бұрын

I'm putting a memorial of all with kids pics in someone's basement. One of the autographs out of little there was mismarked Tom Seaver as being Tom Hume. I'm going to send it to be framed at Hobby Lobby. It fits 78 or 79. Nice Cincinnati kid item to grab for about 28.00. Lou Brock signatures were pretty reasonable in Chicagoland. I picked up some more rare signed cards from the National somewhere. I'm 54, losing it when I can't remember them. Lol. I buy things when I collected mostly. Not much Cubs things I have enough of that and few buy White Sox in this area. I'm not going to unload all my things, but a lot is becoming too much anymore for me. Sometimes online sales become the real field of dreams. Lol. Thank you all!

For a pitcher who'd lost a little, Seaver had 100+ more wins in his career AFTER this game. He learned to adapt.

@bahhumbug9824

4 жыл бұрын

Which is what a pitcher does. Now everyone's in love with the fastball. IMO the last great pitcher was Greg Maddux. One can say Mariano Rivera but I'm only talking about starters. Could've been Clemens but he took the nut sack shrinking juice.

@99somerville

3 жыл бұрын

He totally mastered the art of pitching.

What I'd give for a time machine!!!

So refreshing not to hear about pitch counts!

@victorialouden1912

6 жыл бұрын

144Donn pitch counts are a fucking joke!!

@Mark-sj3xb

5 жыл бұрын

I hate it when a guy has a shut out going after 6 innings and they pull him and pat him on the back for a great outing.

@Mark-sj3xb

5 жыл бұрын

Used to be you left them in until they either got tired, or lost their effectiveness. I mean, that’s what the four days rest is for. And it’s hilarious how they all hand the game over to the bullpen many times as early as the 5th inning and get upset when they can’t hold a lead. HELLO! They are in the bullpen because they aren’t as good as the starters!!!!

@jpsned

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mark-sj3xb Yeah, the starting pitchers were expected to go 9 innings, and they themselves wanted and expected to go nine innings.

@bahhumbug9824

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but at the start of the 9th, they bring up the no-hitter so they should've been slapped silly for trying to jinx Seaver.

Rest in peace, Tom!

Tom Seaver was the best!

Tom Seaver and Lou Brock...lost two great ones in the span of several weeks....RIP.

@dantheman5745

2 жыл бұрын

Followed by Joe Morgan. All within 6 weeks of each other in 2020. Very sad.

Man we just don't appreciate these players fully till much later ... Hernandez, Rose, Morgan, Seaver ... the number of all-time greats in this game ....I'm struck at the artistry many of these players brought to their position.. the style with which they played. Seaver, Concepcion, Rose are graceful and artful .... I feel like I miss that style in today's game.

@johnrust592

5 жыл бұрын

Just watching some of the plays Concepcion made in this game makes me yet again wonder, why is this man not in the Hall of Fame?

@slocumb1270

5 жыл бұрын

Lou Brock.

@peterwieser4631

5 жыл бұрын

Speak for yourself ! I knew those Reds players were special from the getgo ! Unfortunately the reason I knew it sooner was because I was a fan of the hapless Cleveland Indians upstate.

@reymondjames1726

5 жыл бұрын

They were masters of their positions. I watched Lil' Joe counsel Don G during the 7th game of the world series. Joe was the best.

@terrondt

5 ай бұрын

Don’t forget George Foster who was in his prime . A True slugger.

I loved Tom Seaver as a kid

I was in basic training when this game was played. It's great to see the complete game with all the old familiar Reds players, Marty before his grumpy old man phase and I always liked Joe Nuxhall.

I was there. It was a fantastic night. A buddy of mine got us tickets for all three games that weekend. Reds won all three

@theTOPSTARrap

3 жыл бұрын

RIP 😭

That Ray Knight play was great

Best pitcher of my lifetime.

It was a bittersweet moment for me as a Mets fan. So glad Tom Terrific got his no no but so sad that he did it in a Reds uniform. What could have been if he hadn’t been run out of NY. 😩

Being a lifelong Reds fan, and a native of Cincinnati, it was very strange seeing the vaunted Tom Seaver, a.k.a. "Tom Terrific", in a Reds uniform, after only knowing/seeing him in those Mets blue uniforms, certainly a great pitcher and a HOF MLB player...

@mysterj1

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't believe they got Tom. Don Gullett was the only REALLY tough pitcher on their staff until he got hurt. I suppose some might add Gary Nolan to that list, too.

@ShawnC.T.

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysterj1 Those two you mentioned, and Jack Billingham as well. They were better pitchers than they got credit for, and I think the main reason for that is/was how dominant the starting eight for the "Big Red Machine" was, the starting pitching got overshadowed...

RIP to Lou Brock & Tom Seaver. Brock one of the greatest base stealers of all time. Seaver one of the greatest pitchers of all time.

Tom had lost a bit on his heater by then. It was great that he finally got one in spite of that.

One of the greatest ever!

I will never forgive the Mets old ownership for trading Seaver!

@niccoarcadia4179

8 жыл бұрын

+Hubert Vale ..Same here. I never forgave them for loosing Tom. He' was considered untouchable for trades and it was a complete shock to the fans in NY.

@RayNDeere

8 жыл бұрын

+Follow The Sun The straw that broke Seaver's back was Dick Young from the New York Daily News (whose son-in-law worked in the Mets' front office at the time) writing the real reason Tom was looking for a contract was because he was jealous of Nolan Ryan's big contract at the time. There was actually a contract deal between the Mets and Seaver, but when Young's story hit the paper, Seaver demanded a trade.

@matthewherman5980

5 жыл бұрын

RayNDeere ouch

@americangiant1003

5 жыл бұрын

@@RayNDeere & Hubert. Keep in mind that the Mets then ownership was in transition. Original Majority Owner Joan Whitney Payson (the first Lady Owner to ever win a major sports championship anywhere as far as I am aware)had just died a couple of years earlier. Thus Donald Grant (rumored to being a bigot and racist)was the acting "Boss" at the time of the Seaver Fiasco and blew it big time. Only bright spot of the Seaver trade IMO was that it forced the Whitney-Payson Family to sell the Mets by 1980. And Donald Grant finally being shown the door.

@MrAitraining

5 жыл бұрын

It's not the trade. It's the treatment. Tom wanted to be traded after all the b.s like the other reply said.

Good Luck to George Thomas Seaver in his struggle with dementia, he will not be forgotten by us Met fans!

A lot of people had VCR's as early as 1975 and even earlier if you could afford one. But by 1977 they were in the market place and people were recording many sports events. If anyone was wondering if there's a way to record from tape to disc and then to your PC. There is, look on line it's easy. If anyone has any games on Tape why not upload to YT so we all can see them? Imagine a sports library at our fingertips!

@quality333

5 жыл бұрын

if you owned a vcr in 1975 you owned a goldmine if you owned a Vcr in 1969 you owned a kingdom and they made them alot better back then but very expensive

Rest In Peace Tom Seaver

Marty Brennaman and Joe Nuxhall on the Cincinnati Bell Reds Radio Network.

@americangiant1003

5 жыл бұрын

Mr. Dunphy. Was this game shown on local TV in Cincinnati? Or this is just the in-game highlights from the stadium?

@jaystanley9363

5 жыл бұрын

AmericanGiant100 good question..although, it was every pitch,out, and inning.. When they give a time for a game I hope they don't include commercial breaks.. Hell this bad boy was just over an hour and half long..lol

@williamdunphy352

5 жыл бұрын

@@americangiant1003 I think this was a shared feed. The Reds were at the time on WLWT in Cincinnati, and the Cardinals were on KSDK in St. Louis.

Thank you for this upload.

RIP to both Tom Seaver and Lou Brock.

@darwinblinks

3 жыл бұрын

add Joe Morgan to the list of HOF'ers in this game who passed in 2020

@MarkButts63

3 жыл бұрын

@@darwinblinks I got to see Tom pitch once as a Red and Joe was my favorite all time player. 3 HOFers now gone - Seaver, Brock, and Morgan.

r.i.p tom seaver

My dad was on Furlough from the military in the summer of 1967 so he took the opportunity to take my mother, brother, sister and I out to old Shea Stadium to watch Tom Seaver pitch against the Pittsburgh Pirates.Watch this fella,he said.If he stays healthy he's gonna be a great one.Why?I said.He got great stuff,pitches with confidence,he is in control and knows how to approach each hitter.My dad was a die-hard baseball fan since the 1930s.My poor Mom didn't have a clue about baseball.But to watch her cheer as Tom Seaver pitched a complete game shutout that day was priceless.I was 11 years old My Little sister 7 and my older Brother was slated to go off to boot camp to Fort Hood Texas before going to Vietnam.When I found out that Tom Seaver passed,I shared this memory with my now 71 year old brother and 60 year old sister.We all cried.Papa knew what he was doing,my brother remarked.Good family memories is what makes life so beautiful.Thank you Mr Tom Terrific for the memories.RIP!

Grew up in W.Va and myself and dad were there that night never forget it

Seaver vs Brock in the 9th was pretty cool.

R.I.P. Tom

I was at this game. Someone gave my brother and I free tickets to the game at the last minute and we decided to go. What a game! Thanks for posting this video! I cannot believe Marty and Joe have the play by play, the best sports broadcasters of all time. Staying up late to listen to Marty and joe during west coast games was a treat, especially when Joe did the Star of the Game. When he finished his broadcast he would say, "this is the old lefthander, rounding third and headed for home, goodnight everyone." The problem with America today can be traced back to a time when teams like the Reds and Cardinals were followed by everyone in the communities they represented. The bond between fans and your professional team transcended political boundaries, racial divisions and when your team won that brought an enormous sense of pride to everyone who was a fan. I am glad to have lived during those times and more importantly I felt privileged growing up with the Reds during the late 60's and all through the 1970's. What a time to be alive!

@thefrase7884

Жыл бұрын

You and 1 million other people were at this game

@michaelfuller2378

Жыл бұрын

@@thefrase7884 Haters gonna hate

Prayers are going up for Tom now may God heal him from dementia may his family be blessed

He had the smoothest, most mechanically correct pitching motion of all time!

@paultheaudaciousbradford6772

2 жыл бұрын

… spoken by someone who never watched deGrom, or Martinez, or Koufax, or Carl Hubble, or Old Hoss Radbourne. Man! Hoss could really put it in there. Wish we had a fellow like him today!!

I've got goose bumps. A terrific game.

My father and I saw this game live in Riverfront Stadium. Great memory. Seaver's only no hitter.

@yorkofmassac1

4 жыл бұрын

Same here! My dad and I were high above the Cardinals' dugout.

Tom will always be a Met in my eyes, but the crazy thing is in this game we see Keith Hernandez on the Cards and Ray Knight on the Reds.

@dantheman5745

2 жыл бұрын

And Seaver finished his career in 1986...for the Red Sox. (he didn't pitch in the WS vs the Mets tho)

R.I.P Tom

Seaver vrs Brock. Both gone this year. Brock leading off against Seaver. R.I.P. to both.

Uniform problem my butt...lol. Bet St. Louis pitcher Denny, had a grumbling tummy, in that 5th inning delay...lol. Love these old games. What an era in baseball. The 'Big Red Machine', were awesome to watch. Tom Seaver's only no-hitter...but he had gone late into several games with a no-hitter in the past. Wish he could have gotten 3 or 4 in his career. But one is still an accomplishment. May God bless Tom and his family, and comfort them in Tom's illness. Thanks for this video. 👍☀️👍

RIP Tom Seaver.

#41, RIP :^(

Rest in Peace, Tom Seaver.

Rest in Pitching to the greatest hurler of all time, GEORGE THOMAS SEAVER #41 ETERNALLY

RIP Mr. Franchise

Thank you so much for this!!

RIP Tom Seaver

And here come all the RIP'ers. I remember I was working at a Pizza restaurant and heard the last few outs of this game over a customer's car radio.

Seaver was a great pitcher.

I was 9 in 1969. Tom Terrific. The Amazing Mets. The Koos. Buddy Harrelson. Some kid named Ryan who couldn't yet throw straight. Cleon Jones. Tommie Agee. Jerry Grote. Big Ed Kranepool. Poor ol' Ernie Banks and with him, Leo Durocher and the city of Chicago watching a 10-game August lead evaporate. Some people say we went to the Moon that summer. Nah; there was only one story that year for a 9-yo kid with a ball.

RIP Legend

It's hard not to watch games like this when the Big Red Machine was still alive and well.

@michaelfuller2378

Жыл бұрын

No, it was not the Big Red Machine. Tony Perez was traded and he was the heart and soul of the BRM. Dick Wagner was preparing to bring the BRM to it's knees. Sad times. If Perez was never traded the Reds would have won at least one more World Series. 1975 and 1976 Reds, the best baseball team of all time!

1:25:40 Hernandez steals an out at first base. Nobody did it better. Keith is the greatest defensive 1B of all time. Worthy of HOF in my mind.

Ray Knight in the 8th inning help saving Seavers' no hitter. Nice play! For a few seconds thought it was K G Jr, and not the dad.

May Tom Terrific Rest in Peace.

TOM TERRIFIC.Thanks for this one!

Watching the Big Red Machine from 40+ years ago.... Rose, Morgan, and Seaver throwing a no-hitter :)

Just another Hall of Fame moment in Riverfront Stadium history I so miss that beautiful ballpark

whats so great about baseball is you never know how the game will end...that was special way for it to end!

This made my week, I was 14 when this happened, Listened to Marty and Joe on the radio almost every day. Thanks for posting!

@hazelwood55

9 жыл бұрын

Todd Shiverdecker I know what you mean. I am 6 yrs older than you and listened to Marty and Joe almost every game. I loved the rain delays when they would tell stories. This was the last year Sparky was the manager, then Dick Wagner set out to ruin the team and they went into the dark ages for a long time.

@dlhost89

8 жыл бұрын

I also blamed Wagner for destroying the Big Red Machine (like most Reds fans) - but I'm not sure today that he deserves the blame he received. In those days, the Reds' ownership was extremely low key; such that the functioning GM of the team (who held the title of President) effectively became the face of the franchise. In other words, Wagner looked like he ran the team, but he in fact was taking orders from Bill Williams and the other managing partners. Their response to the dawning era of free agency was to stick their collective heads in the sand and refuse to adapt. So, the Reds were bound to lose most every prominent member of the Big Red Machine as contracts expired. The exodus began, of course, with Pete Rose after the 1978 season - and it continued with Joe Morgan the next year; then Foster and Griffey after the 1981 season. What's easy to forget is that the Reds initially survived letting Rose and Morgan go; together with the inexplicable decision to fire Sparky. Under John McNamara, they won the division in 1979, and had the best record in baseball in 1981 (which still did not get them in the playoffs due to the players' strike and the infamous "split season" format that followed). The roof caved in, of course, when they lost their entire outfield after 1981 (George Foster, Dave Collins, and Ken Griffey); then attempted to compensate for that loss by trading Ray Knight to Houston for Cesar Cedeno. The Reds fired McNamara at mid-season 1982; then Wagner himself in 1983 - but both went on to success elsewhere. Wagner built an Astros team that won the division in 1986 (and nearly beat the Mets in the NLCS), and McNamara managed the Red Sox team that lost to the Mets in the World Series that same year. Wagner certainly made some poor trades (along with the Knight trade, Foster to the Mets for Alex Trevino, Jim Kern, and Greg Harris stands out) - but Bob Howsam was responsible for the trade which really ended the Big Red Machine dynasty (Tony Perez to Montreal for Dale Murray and Woody Fryman, who didn't even pitch a full season for the Reds). What that fact suggests is that the Reds' ownership during that era gave neither Howsam nor Wagner the time and latitude they needed to put together solid trades - they simply ordered fire sales to dump salaries and lodge a futile protest against free agency (the Reds even refused to participate in the free agent draft for the first several years of its existence).

@ytjake789

8 жыл бұрын

Howsam traded Perez for several reasons. One, Tony was in his mid-30s and was declining in production; two, Dan Driessen was in his mid-20s and looked like he would be a Ken Griffey-style player, but was rotting on the bench; third, they had to get some pitching since Don Gullett defected to the Yankees, and Nolan and Billingham were getting older. What Howsam, and even Sparky, didn't understand was the impact that trading Tony did to the clubhouse. Both Howsam and Anderson admitted that years later. But on paper, the Perez to Montreal trade at the time looked like a good deal.

@dlhost89

8 жыл бұрын

Kent Jacobs , I agree. At that time, it was impossible to know that Driessen would ultimately play just one more season of MLB than Perez, and it's at least arguable whether or not they should have understood Tony's essential role in the clubhouse (In Sparky's first autobiography, "The Main Spark," I think I recall that he credited Rose and Morgan as his "go to guys" in addressing any problems). Without question, that trade (in combination with a fast Dodgers start) kept the Reds from seriously contending in 1977. Yet, it seems like the team had largely recovered by 1978 - in part because Driessen's bat was a solid addition to the lineup, but perhaps mostly because of the acquisition of Tom Seaver. Indeed, had Bowie Kuhn not voided the deal for Vida Blue just prior to the 1978 season, the Reds would have suddenly had one the best starting pitching rotations in MLB. It's even possible to conclude that Howsam and then Wagner presided over a reasonably successful transition from the Big Red Machine, at least initially. Knight and Oester were credible replacements for Rose and Morgan in 1979 and 1980, respectively - and when he joined the starting lineup in 1979, Dave Collins seemed to replace at least some of the energy and fire that Pete took to Philadelphia. From 1979 through 1981, the Reds weren't nearly as great as they had been, but they were still among the better teams of that era. The roof caved in, of course, when the Reds dumped Foster, Griffey, Collins, and Knight after the 1981 season, and received next to nothing in return. Ironically, the Knight trade was the worst; as the Reds exchanged a team leader for a former star in precipitous decline (Cesar Cedeno). That trade occurred because Wagner needed some experience in the outfield after losing Foster, Griffey, and Collins all at once, due to their impending free agency (as I recall, he traded Foster and Griffey and just allowed Collins to leave). To reiterate, I think that ownership was quietly pulling the strings; forcing decisions upon Howsam and then Wagner for which the latter may have received an unjust share of the blame. Specifically, it's clear in retrospect that ownership's refusal to change with the times (and accept the reality of free agency) was primarily responsible running the organization off a cliff in the early 1980s. To be fair, the Reds were never going to match Steinbrenner, dollar for dollar - but beginning with the Perez trade, some of the deals had an almost panicked aspect to them (kind of like the efforts to trade Aroldis Chapman during the most recent off-season). When Howsam and Wagner had the time and latitude they needed, it seems like they usually made solid trades and acquired the solid replacements for the stars whom free agency made it impossible to retain. In short, it seems like ownership got in the habit of issuing sudden, erratic orders based solely on finances; leaving Howsam and then Wagner scrambling to adjust. For example, it seems like the solid baseball decision would have been to keep Perez as long as it took to obtain the value he should have commanded (perhaps he could have been a key part of the Tom Seaver deal in 1977). Even more to the point - had Wagner known that he wasn't going to be able to re-sign the entire outfield after 1981, it stands to reason that he would have managed the transition much better; perhaps taking the time to find the right trades throughout 1980 and 1981. That approach would have obtained better value for Foster, particular (than Jim Kern, Alex Trevino, and Greg Harris); while permitting then-promising prospects like Paul Householder to gradually work themselves into the lineup. Instead, it seems like ownership looked at the balance sheet at the end of 1981, and abruptly decided that everyone had to go. Indeed, having only recently listened to Sparky's Hall of Fame remarks (in which he warmly praised Wagner as a friend), it now seems clear that the decision to fire Sparky may not have been Wagner's, either - but at least he managed to find a competent replacement in McNamara (which stands in stark contrast to subsequent examples, like Jim Bowden's Ron Oester/Bob Boone fiasco following Jack McKeon's departure). All of this is speculation, of course - but it no longer seems like Wagner was the villain I once thought he was.

@ytjake789

7 жыл бұрын

Great conversation, David. It's hard to tell. I've always heard that Sparky refused to fire a couple of his coaches, and that's why he was fired. It's clear though, that Wagner wasn't the sharp trader that Howsam was. I think if Howsam would have stayed on through 1981, the Reds would've won it all at least one more time. It's like, after the Blue fiasco, he threw his hands up and retired.

It should of been Tom Seaver throwing the 1st Mets No-Hitter.

@davidharrison7014

3 жыл бұрын

And THAT honor went to Johan Santana on June 1st, 2012.

I just noticed, George Hendrick, who made the last out, wasn't wearing his standard #25. He was wearing #27 instead. I believe he had been traded from San Diego to St. Louis about three weeks before this game.

Well deserved. What a great pitcher.

seaver.....legend.

I was at this game!! I was 12 lol!!

@Ben-zr1qz

3 жыл бұрын

I was 8!

@bradfry1144

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-zr1qz my little brother was 7 lol!!

@joeambrose3260

3 жыл бұрын

My grandfather was 81 !

Love Denny's windup

OTRO DE LOS GRANDES , GRAZIE POR LE VIDEO 2021

1:46:27 I love the look on Seaver's face after throwing a high, hard, one.

@jaystanley9363

5 жыл бұрын

Space Ghost that was awesome..

Loved Tom with the Mets, but I was very happy for him here.

He had the meanist pitching face

rose looks pretty jacked for that era...excellent commentary...great voice! wow is baseball a SLOW sport...back then the culture was all baseball...how have things changed.

Love this channel and hopefuylly like to see more classic no hitters like jack Morris in 1984, Jim Bunnings perfect game, & Nolan Ryan's first & second no hitters along with the Astro's in 81.

“Tom Terrific” was always awesome! Seven years later, Seaver would win number 300 pitching for the White Sox. R.I.P.: Tom Seaver 😢😢😢😢😢

love hearing Marty and Joe again

At 1:46:56 it appears as though Seaver looks directly into the camera and then looks down at the ground and smiles coyly.

@jpsned

4 жыл бұрын

That's really funny!

RIP Tom Terrific. 🙏

George Hendrick, the father of the low pants! I hated them then, I hate them now.