Just ordered my first chair the other day after doing a fair bit of internet research, and time and time again I kept finding myself back at your channel. It seems like 90% of the content of there on massage chairs is mostly just fluff, but you're videos have consistently been full of concrete and useful advice, so thanks for that!

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Geoff. I very much appreciate your kind words. I have put a lot of energy and time into customer education. dr. w

@MCSjojo

2 жыл бұрын

What chair did you go for in the end?

So far the best video I have seen on massage chairs. Congrats

@amiradiablo831

3 жыл бұрын

Please get yourself a radiation detector and find out just how dangerous your massage chair is! They emit high levels of radiation which are known to cause cancer! kzread.info/dash/bejne/h6ub0Mx9hpjZo8o.html

Thank you so much. I really wanted to know the difference between the rollers.

This made me feel better about the chair I have. The "Best Massage" it retails on Amazon for barely over 1000. Gives a great massage. Appears to have most of the same features as shown in the Infinity. Some of these more expensive chairs feature sound which is nice. But I do have top quality ear buds. What I do like is the once with voice response where I think it would be nice to be able to call out instructions. Sometimes I do want more neck attention. I've been using my chair for a little over a month and what impresses me is the randomness of the massage. I never know what is coming next in the program, which I find nice. I am dreading the day should the chair ever break. These things do a hell of a lot of sustained work.

Thanks for this detailed comparison!

Helpful and informative, thank you.

Thanks for replaying this video Dr. Weidner (I must have missed it during Covid last year). There is such a WIDE DIFFERENCE in massage chairs that most consumers have no idea (or they are mislead by questionable marketing tactics by some brands). We would love to see a comparison of our Luraco i7 PLUS to ANY OTHER PREMIUM chair you carry (I noticed Sui Generes's request for a comparison to his Real Relax chair... we would love your viewers to see the difference. With that said, the hardest thing for people to understand is that each chair will have its own unique "feel" that can't come across in a video. Test driving a chair is a challenge if people don't live near a brick-and-mortar retailer but this type of comparison is WONDERFUL for educating consumers.

Talk about a great review. Thanks

Thank you for an honest video

BEST Review EVER ... do Ogawa please

Would like your thoughts please on irest a303 $1700 and a306 $2100 models. You don’t carry them, but many reviews give them stellar ratings.

@massagechairrelief

Жыл бұрын

I am not familiar with their chairs at all. I know they sell their chairs direct to the consumer but as to their quality and support, I have no idea. I wish I could be of more help to you. Lower priced chairs of all brands, typically have higher failure rates and shorter life spans. I would recommend downloading the app "FakeSpot" and using it to evaluate the integrity of the reviews for their products on Amazon. I hope this helps. dr. w.

I really like your sharing

the massage chairs that have air compression, (Kogan S1 Zero-Gravity Heated Shiatsu Massage Recliner Chair) what you guys think of those? How loud is the air inflating the airbags?

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

I haver never heard of that model. Doing a Google search, it seems to be sold in Australia and New Zealand. There are some US zero gravity recliner models that have air compression. I have sat on the Human Touch Gravis ZG and found it to be very quiet. dr. w.

Hello, really really enjoyed this video. I had a real Relax and sent it back because it was not efficient for my liking. The airbags did not work fully and I felt really snugged in that chair. I am planning on buying a Infiniti Evolution chair I realize that is a really big chair. I’m only 5.8ft with wide shoulders & 250lbs. What would you recommend from the Infiniti line That have pretty much the same capability of the infinity evolution chair for around $4000? I played sports most of my life now I am coping with back problems arthritis pain throughout my whole body and inflammation.

@massagechairrelief

4 ай бұрын

The Infinity Evolution Max and the Infinity Genesis Max are essentially the same chair, just sold through different channels. They would fit you just fine. The only Infinity chair that is priced at $4K or less is the Riage CS, but it is not a full-feature massage chair like the Evolution Max or Genesis Max. You may be able to find some refurbished or used Infinity chairs out there for the price you are looking for. dr. w.

Getting replacement parts is very hard, even for the more expensive chairs!

@massagechairrelief

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Particularly if a model has been discontinued! However, if a chair is still active, most brand name companies will have parts. I have rarely had any difficulty getting parts. But I will say that this year, with the Covid business and the logistics nightmare that is now hampering many companies, we do see it taking longer to get back ordered parts. They do come, but sometimes we have to wait 30-60 days. dr. w.

Hello! How would you compare your higher end chair with the Panasonic chairs? With Panasonic, are we just paying for the brand name or are there better components with them?

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

For as long as I've been in the industry (16 years), Panasonic massage chairs have always been equated with quality. That still applies today. It is more than just the name. Although their chairs are all made in China now (instead of Japan, as it used to be when I started), the quality is still very, very good. As a matter of fact, their roller mechanism is arguably the most sophisticated and precise roller mech in the industry! We expect a Panasonic chair to last 20 years or more. The same could be said nowadays for many of the current premium massage chairs, i.e. OHCO, Human Touch, Infinity, Positive Posture, Luraco, Daiwa, etc. I hope this helps! dr. w.

@gandhkm4704

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief What about Ogawa brand? Good, quality?

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

@@gandhkm4704 Ogawa, Cozzia, JPMedics are all part of the same company and their chairs are all made in the same factory. It is a good factory, considered one of the top massage chair factories. dr. w.

Thanks so much for the knowledge about chief and high tech chair .What about osaki by titen TP8500 , is it a chief chair also

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

That Titan TP8500 and the 8400 are good, strong chairs. I had the 8400 in our showroom and it was a good chair. Not like the $500 chair at all. dr. w.

@handymanskill4730

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief thanks for quick response, TP 8500 is on sale $1400, do you think it's a reasonable price or do you have one lower than this price

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

@@handymanskill4730 That's a great price.

What would be the best chair I could buy in your opinion for $2000 or less

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Good question. We don't sell many chairs under #$2000, but of the ones we do sell in the $2000 range, I would recommend taking a look at the Ogawa Refresh Plus, the Human Touch WholeBody 7.1, or the Osaki 4000T. dr. w.

What are your top 2 chairs for someone over 6' tall.

@massagechairrelief

2 жыл бұрын

There are a number of great, premium massage chair chairs for someone over 6' tall, with similar quality and customer support, but it would be better to make chair recommendations based on your needs. Are you looking for an L-track or an S-track chair, do you want a strong or more gentle massage, do you want a better neck/shoulder massage, what is your budget, user weight, etc. All these factors come into play when it comes to the "top" massage chairs...for you. Feel free to email me at alan@massage-chair-relief.com with more particulars and I'll give you 2-3 best options. Not exactly a cut and dried answer you were probably looking for, but it is tough to pick just 2 among a field of so many great chairs with varying features. I hope this helps somewhat. dr. w.

What do you think of the postive posture sol? Would you rather have that or the Titan Optimus 3d?

@kluquias

2 жыл бұрын

Or the osaki alpina

@massagechairrelief

2 жыл бұрын

This is a good question. Though I am not familiar with the Osaki models mentioned, other than what I found when searching for these products, I would give the nod to Positive Posture for quality and support, but give the nod to Osaki for the features. The Osaki chairs have arm, hand, and foot massage mechanisms, whereas the Sol does not. So, for bang for your buck, the Osaki models are good options; but for quality and support, Positive Posture is the choice. I hope that helps somewhat. dr. w.

Please 🥺🙏🏿 please tell me does this chair massage up underneath the butt? My Sciatica pain goes all the way down to my thighs. Does this chair need and massage the butt?

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Infinity Genesis Max is an L-track chair, which means the rollers go down into the buttocks. Most L-track chairs don't reach the middle of the thigh but definitely the top of the thigh. L-tracks are the most popular style of chairs nowadays exactly for that reason...the rollers hit the butt muscles and can help some sciatica patients. dr. w.

Hi! What do you think of ootari brand. Specifically a900 3d ltrack?

@massagechairrelief

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your inquiry, Casey. I only know that the Ootori brand is a direct to consumer product make in China. I have never sat in their chairs top know how they feel, but I assume they are made with lesser quality components in a "smaller" factory because of the pricing of their chairs. However, that is only an assumption. Make sure you check out their customer support and product quality reviews. Based on my experience, when chairs are so inexpensive, something's got to give, either in quality or service. Just my two bits worth. dr. w.

@caseyqli

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. When I could afford a chair that is good quality I hope to buy for you guys. I got 5 years parts and labor warranty. I hope the warranty is good. Thank you!

@reluexmassagechair-jack2756

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief when chairs are so inexpensive, something's got to give, either in quality or service。 Very much agree with this sentence

@jacklewis100

3 жыл бұрын

@@reluexmassagechair-jack2756 Yeah, but if a cheaper one breaks, you can buy another 15-20 of them and still have spent less ! Is the $10,000 really 20 times better? Doubtful - diminishing returns due to mass market economics.

@reluexmassagechair-jack2756

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacklewis100 Considering the massage effect, I think it is worth it. but 10000usd, oh, I have to take back what I said ,haha

I work at a place that sells the Infinity Eclipse. I can not explain what they feel like. The chair is the first thing I saw that was 6k that I had no sticker shock....all I thought was how can I buy one. But now I just use it every day I'm at work . You could run a business that had a chair in the back of a truck made out like a mobile spa. Roll up to business parks. Offer monthly service. First half hour is free. Well......you could do this except for the Global Pandemic. Maybe after

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

I am not familiar with the Infinity Eclipse. I have not seen that model in the USA. dr. w.

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

@@JezebelIsHongry The chair is called the Infinity IT-8500. I've never heard it called the Eclipse. Although it is a great chair, it is manufactured in China and not made in New Hampshire. Infinity, the company that imports it to the USA, is located in New Hampshire. That chair is priced $4999 on our website... www.massage-chair-relief.com/massage-chairs/infinity-5-star-comfort/infinity-8500/ dr. w.

@JezebelIsHongry

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief interesting. The giant box i pulled the main unit had Portsmouth NH on it. But made in China or Portsmouth doesn't matter to me

What is the importance of the airbags on the massage chairs?

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Airbags were originally invented to create a compression motion on the muscles of the legs and arms. Over the years, their deployment became a bit more sophisticated, i.e. seat movement, lifting up the body, and anchoring the torso to increase the intensity of the back rollers. Nowadays, they are also being used to knead the calf muscles, rotate the lower back, massage the head, and massage the trapezia muscles. So, they actually do quite a bit in today's chairs. I hope this helps! dr. w.

@tungamirairaymadubeko583

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief this is so great. I love the information. I'm watching from South Africa and I saw some other guys selling the chairs. But do you mind explaining to me also what you mean zero gravity please

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

@@tungamirairaymadubeko583 Zero gravity is nothing more than a 30 degree tilt of the seat with a 120-128 degree angle of articulation between the seat and the chair back. I wrote about it in more detail in this article...www.massage-chair-relief.com/blog/zero-gravity-what-exactly-is-it. I hope this helps. dr. w.

is this the real relax favor 03 model chair

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

It is a Real Relax chair, but I don't recall what model it is. dr. w.

Hello, would you say the Infinity Evolution 4D is considered a cheap chair and also does it have the ability to do a stretch option?

@massagechairrelief

4 ай бұрын

The Infinity Evolution is the same chair as the Infinity Genesis, which is the chair we use in this video as the better quality chair. dr. w.

@kodymosley7763

4 ай бұрын

Really appreciate it, do The Evolution have the ability to stretch the body?

@massagechairrelief

4 ай бұрын

Yes, it does! Sorry I forgot to answer that question from your earlier comment. The stretch program in Infinity chairs is typically called "Extension". dr. w.

@kodymosley7763

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much. I watch all of your video and you’re very knowledgeable and helpful to the public when it comes to choosing a efficient quality keep up the great work you’re one of the kind we always appreciate.

@massagechairrelief

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! Dr. W.

Can you recommend a good chair under $4000

@massagechairrelief

2 жыл бұрын

You might take a look at the Kyota Genki, which is on sale until the end of October 2021 for $2499, or the Sharper Image Relieve for $3999, or the Osaki Admiral, which is a bit higher than your budget, for $4399. These are good offerings from name-brand companies in your price range. dr. w.

Now when I see the chair open i see that the nobules has more point working your body at the same time To me it sounds like “more hands massage “. Am I right ?? I thinks the roller style have only one mechanism or maybe 2 at the same time

@massagechairrelief

Жыл бұрын

The problem with the cheaper nobular style of "rollers" is that each disc has a space between it and the next one, preventing any massage at all from hitting those spaces. Also, the nobular disc does not move in and out to offer 3D depth changes for adjusting roller intensity. FInally, the disc can only do one thing, and that's rotate in the same spot over and over. There is no preferential changing of massage modes from kneading to tapping to rolling, etc. with the discs. Only one motion and that is a circular rubbing of the spot. Nor is there a speed change, which can also simulate a more or less intense roller massage. I hope that makes sense. dr. w.

@nirniro1

Жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief it is make a lot of sense, so basically the only advantage I can see for the cheaper mechanism is that it gives you few points at once I there are chair that offer more then one mechanism on the track .. am I right ?? Thank you so much 🙏

@massagechairrelief

Жыл бұрын

@@nirniro1 I'm not sure what you are asking. I can't remember if only one disc operates at a time or if they all work at the same time. dr.w .

@nirniro1

Жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief you actually did answer my question 👍 So maybe they don’t even works all of them together. Is there a massage chair with 2 tracks that the roller can work on your body on your body at the same time ? Lets say neck and lower back simultaneously etc…. ? End how is it called ? Thanks

@massagechairrelief

Жыл бұрын

@@nirniro1 Yes, there is a new technology called Split-track, which breaks an L-track into two tracks, one for the neck and back and one for the butt and low back. They are very popular and do what you are talking about. Chairs that have the split track are the Infinity Circadian, Infinity Luminary, Daiwa Supreme Hybrid, and the Kyota Nokori. dr. w.

Hi Alen, Can I share this video?

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Please do!

@reluexmassagechair-jack2756

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief thanks so much

When your the competition doing the review you are biased. Now I have the Imperial. But, a review should one not be done by the completion and should be at least 2 different chairs at the 500, 1000, 1500 and 2000$ price points.

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Great feedback. I agree with your sentiment. What would be ideal is for a completely objective, unbiased 3rd party group or company, without any affiliation to or compensation from any massage chair company, seller, or distributor, to do those reviews. Unfortunately, there isn't anyone or any group like that addressing our industry at the present time. So, for the time being, we have to do the work ourselves and hopefully do it as objectively as possible. Thanks for your input! dr. w.

How do you guys feel about the Real Relax

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

They are a direct-to-consumer massage chair company with lower-end massage chairs, which means they are built in smaller factories with cheaper components. Thus they are much lower priced. I am not aware of their warranty or reputation for customer support. The chair we used in this video is one of their chairs. dr. w.

@1sinister80

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief Thank you. I have been reading allot on line they keep popping up as the chair that people seem to like. Amazon also has thousands of reviews with a great rating and customer service seems to be a high light for them. They have a 1 year warranty.

I have to break my back to buy the infinity so I rather do less overtime and go with the Amazon version.

@massagechairrelief

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan! Dr. W.

name names, is that a real relax massage chair

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is. dr. w.

@robertf7982

3 жыл бұрын

@@massagechairrelief for those who can't afford a 3000 or 4000 massage what would you recommend

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertf7982 I would go to osakimassagechair.com and see what they have. They offer a lot of low priced massage chair options and are considered a brand name. I hope that helps! dr. w.

Isn't the intent of the external mic BETTER audio quality? You guys would have been WAY better off just using an iPhone with built in mic to record this. The constant blast of breath is loud and distracting which makes this a difficult watch to focus on what you're saying even though I want to know the material. That technicality aside, what's the limit on ROI for over-engineering? If you're $5k chair were built of titanium and unobtanium and cost $25k could I argue that it really wouldn't be any better than your $5k chair in use and reliability? There become a point where the over-engineering is just ways to pad the cost and claim reliability but I think these cheaper massage chairs have proven you can get a good massage and good service life for a lot less money ultimately. I mean hell, you can buy a new $500 chair every year for a decade before they get to the same investment of your $5k chair. Yeah, I did the math in my head on that one. ROFL Also, you said that there's a 4" section of the user's back in the "cheap" chair that is never even touched. You then move to the $5k chair and I see the same pattern repeated on that one so.... seems to be a similar omission from what I saw. Also, 5' 8" is tall? Nice try. Keep telling yourself that. (don't take it personal, just a 6 footer who tends to feel short joshin' ya)

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

I just ran across your comment this morning. I'm so sorry for not addressing it earlier. Thanks for the audio quality comment. I've heard it before. We actually upgraded our audio recording system at the end of 2020 which hopefully gives a better sound quality in the videos made since then. The remainder of your questions can be addressed by you actually sitting in the different chairs. I can tell from your comments that you've not sat on many different chairs side by side to feel and see the noticeable differences. It's hard for folks to really know the difference between the chair quality without sitting in them. We have lower priced chairs in our showroom along with the premium chairs and, I can assure you, customers notice the difference between the two subsets. It may not be all that important to you, but it is very important to many customers. And much of that difference can be attributed to the engineering of the chair and it's composite components. "ROI for over-engineering" seems like a relative phrase. Define over-engineering. If better engineering results in a better massage experience, that may be well worth it to a customer and would not be considered over-engineering. Maybe "better engineering" is a more suitable phrase. Better engineering results in better quality, but I agree that it usually has a higher associated cost that people are still willing to pay for. Kind of like cars and buildings, I suppose. I also suppose the "limit on over-engineering" is determined by what the market will bear...aka what the customer will pay for. Agreed? Not sure where I mentioned that 5'8" was tall. I have never considered myself tall (tough for a kid who loved to play basketball growing up but could never really compete with the big boys)! However, for some chair models, particularly the cheaper ones, I am actually too tall for them...even at 5'8". I completely agree with your comment about being able to purchase a new $500 chair every year for many years and still not pay what a customer would pay for a $5000 chair. That is certainly a valid approach to chair buying. However, the untold story includes the headaches a customer goes through trying to get their chair fixed if they want to avoid buying a new one soon after they purchased it. It might be "only " $500, but for many it is $500 of hard earned money and good customer support is often lacking in the cheaper chair models. The premium chairs aren't for everyone. That is why, as I said in the video, these lower-priced chairs fill the needs of a good sized segment of the market who otherwise would not be able to afford and enjoy the benefits provided by a massage chair. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment on my video. Great input. It is much appreciated. dr. w.

This is a really bad example. This video subject is great, but it's so utterly obvious of a HUGE difference between these, the video almost comes off condescending. Like I'm stupid enough to buy that cheap one. People like me who could afford to buy a 15,000 chair, simply aren't that dumb.. i can afford a chair but why blow my money paying huge premiums when there's potentially a more competitive product, for much much les that appears to function exactly the same. Why not do comparison with a truly challenging cheap chair, which there are DOZENS under $1,500 chairs with rollers, robotic L tracks, airbags, 3D, Bluetooth, zero gravity....every popular feature can be found in most chairs under $1,500, anyone who buys a $500 chair deserves to get scammed. Talk about the difference, if any, REAL RELAX SL chair and high end....that would be an interesting and useful video....this just comes off as being quite convenient for making premium chairs look like the only smart play. When you showed the inside made of plastic, I rolled my eyes. Come on man, no cheap plastic chairs are chewing up HUGE portions of market share in the massage chair market....REal competitiors are selling product because they're producing legitimate contenders for much less.. This example is just stupid and nobody who can afford a premium chair would be that stupid,, so it just comes off deceptive. It's not that simple, there's much better more competitive chairs for only $300-400 more, than this horrible worst chair you could find example. REAL RELAX sells on Amazon, no name Chinese brand, appears to have everything the premiums do....that matters. Let's see that honest comparison video

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comments, Sui. No example is a bad example when it comes to comparisons, so long as it helps answer questions for the consumer. We get calls all the time asking what the differences are between a $500 chair and the expensive premium chairs. That was the motivation behind this video. Many of the people who ask us are not able to afford a $15,000, as you are, and genuinely want to know what the differences are between the two price points because they genuinely do not know and really are afraid of making a buying mistake. This video is in response to those inquiries. As a matter of fact, I believe it was the only comparison video of two different brand chairs, and their internals, on KZread at that time. No condescension was intended with that video. I think I even made in clear in the video that there is a place for both price points based on the customer's needs, wants, and budget. By the way, the model we used in our video is a Real Relax model purchased from Amazon. We did not disclose that in the video in order to protect their brand. But, since you are bringing their brand into this discussion, suggesting that their models should have been used in our comparison, now we have full disclosure. If you are saying that for $300-$400 more, their SL model is significantly better, then perhaps they should make that more clear to the customers looking at their models on Amazon? Why do they sell such a cheap chair when a customer could get a chair comparable to the Infinity Genesis for only $300-$400 more? I would suggest that one reason is because they are selling to a segment of the market that cannot afford $300-$400 more. Perhaps a video comparing the Real Relax model we used to the Real Relax SL you suggest, would also be very helpful for massage chair shoppers. Wouldn't you agree? Your comments lead me to believe that you know quite a lot about how the different massage chairs in the market compare to each other, particularly the Real Relax brand. I would love to also do a comparison of their SL model with, say, the OHCO M.8 or the Luraco iRobotics 7 Plus. I have trouble imagining that the quality of the engineering and build is comparable. I agree that many, if not most, of the cheaper massage chairs have the same features as the premium chairs, i.e. "rollers, L-tracks, airbags, 3D, Bluetooth, zero gravity...every popular feature", but I would argue that the quality of the components and the chair build will not be the same. Perhaps I am wrong, but I'd love to do a comparison for you and our viewers. I think that comparing the factories and failure rates would be helpful as well, but I doubt the cheaper brands would disclose that information for a more thorough quality comparison. I appreciate your comments, Sui. They invite fruitful discussion. I will plan on filming a video comparison of the Real Relax SL to 1.) the Real Relax model we used, and to 2.) one of the premium models mentioned above. I took at look at the Real Relax store on Amazon and it seems they have a lot of different SL models. Could you please tell me which model you speak of that is $300-$400 more than the $500 chair we used? I will purchase that chair immediately for some comparisons. I'd love your input on those comparisons as well. As a matter of fact, please reach out to me on our toll free number (888-259-5380) so that I can let you know when we film the video(s). Perhaps you could be there in person, if you so choose. It would be great to host you, especially since it is your comments that initiated this follow up comparison! Thank you, again. dr. w.

@SlaytanicSuperstarr

2 жыл бұрын

"People like me that can afford 15,000 chair, simply aren't that stupid" That's most privileged and stupid comment I've seen in a while. It must be nice to know the intelligence of everyone that can afford a 15k chair. Tell me what's the intelligence difference between 10k and 15k chair owners? Do you get what they pay for?

@emailatomic

2 жыл бұрын

@@SlaytanicSuperstarr So true. This is after all a guy who could potentially get suckered in to buying a 15 thousand dollar chair. If its 15 thousand dollars you ought to be able to drive that thing to Starbucks.

Not a fair comparison.

@massagechairrelief

3 жыл бұрын

It is when someone wants to know what the difference is between a $500 chair and a $5000 chair. We get asked that all the time! dr. w.